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Domanick Davis 1,000 yards or not

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shinerbock_texas

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Who believes Domanick Davis will reach 1,000 yards again.
So far this year his numbers are:
ATT 229 YDS 832 TD 10

This leaves him 168 yards shy of 1,000. He can get the 1,000 by averaging 56 per game (or less than he has averaged per game this season 64).

I am really glad Domanick Davis put the fumbling behind him and started running like he was last year. He really seemed to more concerned about fumbles than running.
 
1000 yard rusher is the most misleading phrases in the NFL. All you have to do is rush for 63 yards a game and you will be a 1000 yard rusher. DD is going to be a 1000 yard rusher this year. But other than the two 100 yard games he had lately, can you say that he has been great this season, or has he been just average.

I think it should be more like 1300 or even 1500 yard rushers as the measuring stick for good backs. But that is just my opinion.
 
he'll surpass his last season total. The fumbles and injuries really hurt him the first half of the season but latley i have seen, the great burst of speed through open holes, the cut backs, and able to get yards after he is hit. Some people had lost faith in Davis i didnt, and i STILL think he is our back of the future ! i say he'll get 1,100 yrds, not bad considering his rough start !
 
1,000 should be a done deal if he stays healthy and in the games. The "IF" thing is what is worrisome.
 
1000 yards isnt anything in the NFL. Davis has been running better only because he is getting blocking. I think it is similar to Denver, where anyone can get 100 yards for them. Our line is picking up the running scheme so DD can finally get some yards. However, any back in the NFL that is only 5'9" and how many pounds can not be durable (except Barry Sanders) because he cant break the tackles. Once he is hit he goes down, and he doesnt have the swift feet like Sanders. He may be getting some yards, but they need a back that can get the extra yards and give other teams a scare.
 
Well he has scored in every game since the Indy game in Indy. He had a sixty yarder that was called back and everyone said he gets tackled from behind alot. It is just unfortunate that he had the rough start, for him and for the team.

If we get another back in the draft or FA, I still think we keep Wells though. He is a player and is the ultimate teammate.
 
After years and years of 1,000 yard seasons, you can at least say, he stayed healthy for most of the season, and the coach had enough confidence in him, to give him enough carries. Im looking for DD to finish up with aroun 1200 yards.
 
yes, he will get 1000 yards, but that does not say much. 1000 yards meant a lot more back when the season was 14 games opposed to 16 games.
 
Fiddy said:
Davis will get 1000 but the bar for NFL RBs nowadays is around 1300 yards IMO...
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Agreed.

1000 yards were big when teams played 12 games in the 60's. For a 16 game schedule, you need at least 1300 yards.
 
Realistically if Davis gets another 300 yards between now and the end of the season will that mean anything? Would 1,132 yards mean that he's "solid" and the position isn't all that big a need going into 2005?

I'm curious because that's only 168 yards away from the 1,300 that has been mentioned here as an approximate minimum for what an NFL back ought to be getting. Considering the lousy start that Davis had this year with his fumbles and the effect that had on him over the first half of the year does that mean we go into the 2005 season starting Davis and expecting big things of him again or will he find some way to stay around the 1,000 yard mark for another season?

Personally I like Davis. I think it's hard not to because he's an exciting player to watch and when he's on you can tell he's busting his tail to get the yards. I don't worry so much about his speed (I think he's a 4.6 40 guy) as I do his durability. Last season I think he had a long of 51 yards against the Bengals and this year his long is 41 with a 60 yarder called back. Speed is wonderful in a back no question about that but backs who aren't burners still find success in this league on a routine basis. It's his ability to play with the bumps and bruises that is cause for concern.

Vinny has mentioned more than one time that when Davis is nicked up he's not the same back and I think that's very true. The problem is that almost every starting back gets nicked up during the season. There's no way around that I'm afraid.

Does anyone think we draft or sign another back for 2005?
 
I think for a back like Davis you shouldn't ignore all the recieving yards he has. Davis has been solid this year, as he already has 1325 total yards. I also think it'd be a mistake to get another back, yards are yards regardless how you get them.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
1000 yards isnt anything in the NFL. Davis has been running better only because he is getting blocking. I think it is similar to Denver, where anyone can get 100 yards for them. Our line is picking up the running scheme so DD can finally get some yards.
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What games have you been watching? The OL's performance this year has been marginal on one of their better days. DD has undeniably been running much stronger (and more like his style last year) the last few games.

However, any back in the NFL that is only 5'9" and how many pounds can not be durable (except Barry Sanders) because he cant break the tackles. Once he is hit he goes down, and he doesnt have the swift feet like Sanders. He may be getting some yards, but they need a back that can get the extra yards and give other teams a scare.
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I am not going to go to the work again to show how wrong this size thing is--DD is not an undersized back. Try going through the list of NFL top rushers this year and seeing how many are bigger than DD.

Size (at least once the RB is over 200 lbs) is not a good indicator of an NFL RB's ability or durability.

Signed, Emmitt Smith, LaDainian Tomlinson, Tiki Barber, Priest Holmes, Edgerring James, Shaun Alexander, Curtis Martin, Clinton Portis and Ahman Green.
 
Hervoyel said:
Does anyone think we draft or sign another back for 2005?
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I hope we don't draft one high(like first round) because I think we have bigger problems. Bad O-line, 30 ranked defense in the NFL, and apparently receivers who can't get open in a cover 2(Carr says they are all covered up).
 
I think the answer to the cover 2 next year will be improved pass protection and BENNIE JOPPRU, not to mention better run blocking.
 
Ya know, they thought Emmitt Smith was gonna be too small, too, and I have seen DD break tackles on those occasions when is really running with authority. Problem is, he doesn't have many games like that. He was doing it in the preseason.
 
infantrycak said:
What games have you been watching? The OL's performance this year has been marginal on one of their better days. DD has undeniably been running much stronger (and more like his style last year) the last few games.



I am not going to go to the work again to show how wrong this size thing is--DD is not an undersized back. Try going through the list of NFL top rushers this year and seeing how many are bigger than DD.

Size (at least once the RB is over 200 lbs) is not a good indicator of an NFL RB's ability or durability.

Signed, Emmitt Smith, LaDainian Tomlinson, Tiki Barber, Priest Holmes, Edgerring James, Shaun Alexander, Curtis Martin, Clinton Portis and Ahman Green.
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Its not simply the size, the problem is that he gets bounced around. He doesnt break tackles very often, and he doesnt have the great side stepping moves. Emmitt Smith could run some guys over, make ankle breakers, and run fast. LaDainian is fast and its hard to get a hand on him cuz of his moves. The same with the others, they can either break some tackles or have better feet than him. He would be a good 3rd down back because he can break a run every once in a while, and he can catch very well out of the backfield. He is not a NFL starter. Look at that list of backs you have, you can add many more, and all of those guys are potential Pro Bowlers, there are many guys that can run very well and be potential Pro Bowlers, and DD is not one. So why should they settle for his medocrity? We have the worst running back in teh division. He is behind the Edge, Fred Taylor, and Chris Brown (a 4th round pick I believe). This team needs a player at running back to make something happen on offense, just like every other successful team in the NFL already has. Look at Pittsburgh for the model for this team. TWO running backs, a potential Pro Bowl QB, good receivers, and an awesome 3-4 defense. That is what this team should be striving for.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
Its not simply the size, the problem is that he gets bounced around. He doesnt break tackles very often, and he doesnt have the great side stepping moves. Emmitt Smith could run some guys over, make ankle breakers, and run fast. LaDainian is fast and its hard to get a hand on him cuz of his moves. The same with the others, they can either break some tackles or have better feet than him. He would be a good 3rd down back because he can break a run every once in a while, and he can catch very well out of the backfield. He is not a NFL starter. Look at that list of backs you have, you can add many more, and all of those guys are potential Pro Bowlers, there are many guys that can run very well and be potential Pro Bowlers, and DD is not one. So why should they settle for his medocrity? We have the worst running back in teh division. He is behind the Edge, Fred Taylor, and Chris Brown (a 4th round pick I believe). This team needs a player at running back to make something happen on offense, just like every other successful team in the NFL already has. Look at Pittsburgh for the model for this team. TWO running backs, a potential Pro Bowl QB, good receivers, and an awesome 3-4 defense. That is what this team should be striving for.
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Boy some people don't know when to do a little more research. Going back to what you said on RBs, DD is fine. We just need some people on the o-line to block a little more up field. Even AJ has gotten involved up field holding off the secondary which has been a big part of some of DD's best runs. Plus you have to understand that the Steelers have been in the league A LOT longer than the Texans. We will be like them one day. You just have to be patient.
 
I always felt that one of Davis stengths was that he broke tackles very well. He's not going to plow over people but he doesn't go down easily. I remember the first time he caught any attention it was for throwing Jason Taylor off of him versus Miami. Davis gets yards after contact (which is not exactly the same as breaking tackles but it's in the same neighborhood I believe) and that's hard to dispute unless you're only looking at 2004 when he's been in a yearlong funk from two fumble filled games at the start of the season.
 
Domanick Davis is a good running back. Pro Bowl-ability? Not likely, but probable. Starting quality? Oh yes indeed. Remember this is his sophmore year, it's not unusual for second year players to have a slump. I think the early goings and injuries were his slump, now he's working out of it and working well for us. Plus, he's still young. He most likely won't be a consistent 1,500 yarder, but he's a multidimensional threat who puts up great RB numbers in either rushing or receiving. He's a TD magnet.

I DO think that we should pick up a running back for precaution measures, but not with a high draft pick if we go the draft route. Trust me, the RBs WILL slip in this draft. That could kill his confidence and development. I want a power/hammer 'back personally. For those tough, close yardages a la Duce Staley/Jerome Bettis RB tandem.

The size thing is fooey because he's 5'9" and 216 - good enough size to play. Now if he was 5'8", 190 or something then I can see why you'd say that. If you're 200+ pounds at running back I think it's safe to assume that you're not too light for the position.

I still consider DD the franchise RB.
 
Herdof said:
He's a TD magnet.
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TD magnet??? I think that has more to do with being the best available running back on our roster then having a nose for the endzone.

Davis' TDs -
vs. San Diego
2 yard TD run
1 yard TD run
vs. Minnesota
1 yard TD run
vs. Denver
1 yard TD run
1 yard TD run
vs. Indy
1 yard TD run
1 yard TD run
vs. GB
6 yard TD catch
vs. Tenn
41 yard TD run (and everyone knows the controversy about that one)
vs. NYJ
2 yard TD run
vs. Indy
15 yard TD run

Avg length of rushing TDs - 6.6 yards
Minus the one the Titans gave him - 2.8 yards

In comparsion, Julius Jones on his 6 TDs is averaging 12.2 yards a TD run...

I hardly think Davis is a magnet for the endzone...
 
wiley2002 said:
Boy some people don't know when to do a little more research. Going back to what you said on RBs, DD is fine. We just need some people on the o-line to block a little more up field. Even AJ has gotten involved up field holding off the secondary which has been a big part of some of DD's best runs. Plus you have to understand that the Steelers have been in the league A LOT longer than the Texans. We will be like them one day. You just have to be patient.
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Longer has nothing to do with a running back. DD has gotten the blocks the last couple weeks. He has gotten yards, but you gotta do something when you arent getting the best blocking. Barry Sanders had so many negative yards because of bad blocking. You cant blame the whole thing on the line, he has to do something after he gets past the line, and he doesnt have too many long runs in his two years. He isnt a probable pro bowler, he is an average guy, and they should not settle for that if they can improve on it.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
Longer has nothing to do with a running back. DD has gotten the blocks the last couple weeks. He has gotten yards, but you gotta do something when you arent getting the best blocking. Barry Sanders had so many negative yards because of bad blocking. You cant blame the whole thing on the line, he has to do something after he gets past the line, and he doesnt have too many long runs in his two years. He isnt a probable pro bowler, he is an average guy, and they should not settle for that if they can improve on it.
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Ok first of all this is Barry Sanders you are talking about, HE'S THE MAN, Barry could get yards with a middle school O-line for christs sakes, he is one in a lifetime. No back in the world with the exception of Barry and a few others could get positive yards with a horrible O-Line. Back to Davis now, he's no st@r, but when he gets blocks and gets into the open field he makes things happen. He doesn't exactly break tackles but for some reason or the other he's hard as hell to tackle once he gets pass the D-Line and a few LB's keep in mind this is only his second year and he's coming off a few injuries.

Another positive that i like about him is that he can also catch the ball, he might have better hands then some of receivers in this league and that is a huge plus.
 
AndreJ said:
He doesn't exactly break tackles but for some reason or the other he's hard as hell to tackle once he gets pass the D-Line and a few LB's keep in mind this is only his second year and he's coming off a few injuries.
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Davis hardly does anything when he gets to the linebackers. If Davis did things to get by LBs, his yards per carry average would be higher then 3.6...

AndreJ said:
Another positive that i like about him is that he can also catch the ball, he might have better hands then some of receivers in this league and that is a huge plus.
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Ronnie Brown has the best hands on the Auburn team so its not like it is difficult to find RBs who can catch.
 
Well if u take a look back on the first half of the season there were very few times where Davis recieved the handoff and didn't have the Defense already in the backfield or at the line staring him down. In recent weeks he has made plays on linebackers and safties. Im not saying hes the best back in the world, but when you can rush over 1,000 yrds with the kind of line the Texans have had you have got some skill.
 
Fiddy said:
Davis hardly does anything when he gets to the linebackers. If Davis did things to get by LBs, his yards per carry average would be higher then 3.6...

Ronnie Brown has the best hands on the Auburn team so its not like it is difficult to find RBs who can catch.
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well Fiddy i have been listening to all your comments about Davis and i see where your coming from. And infact the same thing is happening with carr, oh and gaffney has not had big numbers this year either, ok sorry payne not enough sacks time to go, lets just fire them all because noone on the team has performed extremely well this year. So is it time to cut all the players and start over ????? NO because DAVIS (is a good back), Carr is a good QB. I'm just saying if we must talk bad than talk bad about the whole team, and ya dont think the O-line has anything to do with Davis's troulbles this season ? Barry Sanders couldnt even run behind the line we have had lately !
 
TexansTrueFan said:
well Fiddy i have been listening to all your comments about Davis and i see where your coming from. And infact the same thing is happening with carr, oh and gaffney has not had big numbers this year either, ok sorry payne not enough sacks time to go, lets just fire them all because noone on the team has performed extremely well this year. So is it time to cut all the players and start over ????? NO because DAVIS (is a good back), Carr is a good QB. I'm just saying if we must talk bad than talk bad about the whole team, and ya dont think the O-line has anything to do with Davis's troulbles this season ? Barry Sanders couldnt even run behind the line we have had lately !
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I won't speak for Fiddy, but my take is Davis is a solid back,but when he has gotten to the open field, I really haven't seen him make someone miss. All the special backs in the league have a knack for this. I like the way Davis runs. he runs hard and breaks tackles, but he just doesn't have that other gear that the other backs have. This is not a knock on Davis , He is using the talent that he has.
 
when i have seen him catch a pass in the flats i have seen him make people miss and get another 5-10 yards, now you dont see him break one open for a TD very often, but with his running ability and catching ability i think that makes him a better back than most. I think Davis isthe long term answer here, and dont think we need to waste a draft pick on another RB. Just my opinion though !
 
If we don't get another RB via FA or the draft then I will be extremely frustrated as a fan. No way we can be a serious playoff contender with Davis as our feature back. You can't rely on him to be healthy and he is not the kind of back that makes defenses want to deny him the ball.
 
someone can prove me wrong,but when I see "keys to stopping" the Texans. I don't recall one being "stop Davis" I don't mean that in a bad way. It is that teams know that the more times it is in Davis' hands the less it will be in Aj,Gaffney or whoever and the defense doesn't have to put a special defender on Davis. That is why the Colts can play their Cover 2 and drop the MLB back and not worry that Davis is going to break one. Davis is a wonderful weapon when it is 3rd and short.. He can get the 3 yards and he can catch.
 
Vinny said:
If we don't get another RB via FA or the draft then I will be extremely frustrated as a fan. No way we can be a serious playoff contender with Davis as our feature back. You can't rely on him to be healthy and he is not the kind of back that makes defenses want to deny him the ball.
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I wouldn't feel to bad going into next year with Davis as the featured tailback, but what would have me furious is if we can not get anyone else to help with the depth at the position. Right now after Davis, you have the "Gimp' Hollings and Wells, who has performed well as a 3rd stringer (but thats all he can every hope to be). The medicore depth at the position is awful.
 
I can see it now. We go into the playoffs and Davis is nicked up and rolls to another 2.9 ypc when he isn't 100%. I'm out on that program.

Davis is a fine complimentary back but he isn't a top lead back in this league. Heck, he wasn't even the lead back in College.
 
TexansTrueFan said:
well vinny i respect your opinion, but i personally think Davis is the back of the future for the texans !
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Dom will be here for many years and there is nothing wrong with having Davis as your favorite player. I think he is the future for the Texans too...just as a 3rd down back ala Derrick Blaylock, Kevin Faulk and Moe Williams.
 
It's a mixed bag. In order for the Texans to threaten you with the passing game Davis has got to be effective running the ball. His ability to catch the ball out of the backfield is a godo thing but I think often when you see that he got a lot of yards that way it's a sign that the opposing defense was able to force that into happening.

I think Davis can be effective when he's getting good blocking but the Texans simply have to use him properly and they have to recognize the difference between Davis having a "good" day and Davis having a "big" day.

A good day for Davis is a hundred plus on the ground, spread over the entire game, and a few catches out of the backfield at opportune moments.

A big day for Davis is anywhere from 60 to a hundred plus yards on the ground and he's our leading reciever or one of them. Any time he's 60 or 70+ percent of the offense then we've been dictated into that by the defense and we're not doing what we need to do to win the game.

I'm not calling him the answer to our rushing needs but I think he'll serve for now if the Texans will get their pass protection act together and stop allowing defenses to put the entire game in his hands. As one weapon in a larger set of weapons Davis is useful and teams have had success with less running back than we have right now. The rest of it's got to be there though. When we let defenses make us one dimensional we lose.

You look at our secondary and it's tempting to get mad because they allow so many completions but that's an incomplete picture. Without a pass rush that's effective you can't fairly judge what's going on back there. Without taking into account the number of times linebackers get beat in coverage you can't fairly judge what's going on back there.

You look at our passing game and you see nothing but dink passes to Davis and it's tempting to get mad because AJ & Co. aren't getting the ball but without considering the amount of time Carr has or how good the coverage is on those recievers it's hard to tell what's going on with that. Truthfully you can't even be sure that Carr is even looking at all of them before opting to toss it to Davis.

Until I see the Texans offense fire on all cylinders I'm not prepared to say that Davis is a problem. I believe the biggest problem is the way Davis is utilized by David Carr.

I'm not however addressing Davis' problem with being unable to play when banged up. That's a completely different can of worms there and a legitimate reason I think to look at another back. He's a different runner when he's got some aches and pains.
 
Cincinatikid, you dont have a clue what your talking about. first, he does break quite a few tackles. Pretty much all armtackles are broken. second, you put some sort of emphasis on chris brown being a 4th round pick but if you looked into your facts, so is DD. No more speaking from you.
 
Hervoyel said:
Until I see the Texans offense fire on all cylinders I'm not prepared to say that Davis is a problem. I believe the biggest problem is the way Davis is utilized by David Carr.
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I don't consider Davis a "problem". I think if we put Moe Williams, Derrick Blaylock, or Kevin Faulk into our offense they would churn out the same numbers as Dom. What I would like to see is Dom being used more like the other NFL teams use players like this (but we can't do that right now....hence me wanting to draft or pick up another FA back).
 
I think one would help and I agree with you for the most part. Which would you rather have, a rookie back (say first day, but probably not first round) or a free agent?
 
I don't have a big preference but if we have to overpay for a back then I'd just as soon draft one. I think this is one of our biggest needs along with TE and Buc linebacker.
 
Me too. I don't think it was the "Stacy Mack Experience" that put me in the draft one camp or anything. It just seems like where free agent backs are concerned you're either going to pay an absolute ton of money or you're going to have to take a chance on someone like Corey Dillon (who's worked out fine for New England, don't get me wrong) who a lot of people were worried was going to bring some baggage with him, or you're basically paying for a guy like Mack who you think might be your answer but you can't be sure. You've got a good chance of getting a situational guy who's not going to solve your primary back problem anyway.

You can draft one of those.
 
I think that if Hollings could have proven some worth by now we would not have to consider this need right now but the reality is he hasn't shown he can be an NFL back yet. Dom is not enough to carry this team as Duce Staley would not be enough in Pittsburgh if he had Wells and Hollings backing him up. Put another good back with Duce and you got one of the top running games in the NFL. I see the same kind of deal here in Houston next year.
 
Wolf said:
someone can prove me wrong,but when I see "keys to stopping" the Texans. I don't recall one being "stop Davis" I don't mean that in a bad way.
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Well, I don't have a way to prove it (this was on pre-game shows I do not record), but early in the season for a couple games and at least once in the last 3-4 weeks I have seen exactly that as talking points prior to Texans' games. Having said that, Davis should not be the primary focus for most defenses--AJ should be. That is as much or more a reflection on AJ than DD. IMO DD is serviceable and would be plenty of RB if the Texans OL became one of the top 10 OL's in the league. On the other hand, Ronnie Brown does look very interesting--not sold yet on Benson or Williams.
 
Vinny said:
Heck, he wasn't even the lead back in College.
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Does this preclude Ronnie Brown from being a strong consideration?

IMO Herv hit it about on the head--with better line play DD is sufficient, without better line play the offense isn't making more than incremental improvements even if you get the next LaDainian Tomlinson.
 
Hervoyel said:
It's a mixed bag. In order for the Texans to threaten you with the passing game Davis has got to be effective running the ball.

and it's tempting to get mad because AJ & Co. aren't getting the ball but without considering the amount of time Carr has or how good the coverage is on those recievers it's hard to tell what's going on with that. Truthfully you can't even be sure that Carr is even looking at all of them before opting to toss it to Davis.
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It would be nice if it took more than four guys to blow up our O-line. The defense effectively has 7 guys covering our four receivers. So what do you do, dump it to the open man, DD. If we could hold up a four man rush then the D would have to bring more guys to get to Carr, leaving one on one coverage.
 
To answer the topic of this thread, he SHOULD make 1000 yds this season. After all, he only gets about 99% of all the snaps! ( tons of sarcasm intended)
 
I think you underestimate how much Davis gets the ball SheTexan. I'm sure it's well over 99.7% of the plays
 
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