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bigsack

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I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.
No Cedric Benson. No trades for Ricky Williams, or Roy Williams. I hate the FO for not giving me one player to get excited to watch, except Demeco maybe.

I think that the organization doesnt seem to respect that its fan base is primarily UT and ATM fans. (sorry everyone else) To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft. We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

In short, I have to give a Dan Aykroyd "bah" to the FO. (See trading places as Aykroyd in the Santa suit, stuffs food down his shirt, and takes slugs of his pint of Whiskey; he tries to say Bah Humbug but it comes out as "BAHH!") Green is a good addition but prepare for another season where you cant find anyone to go to the game because the team is BORING to watch. PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!! Come on give me a QB that I might actually use in fantasy. (Carr was better from a fantasy perspective)

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked. We have spent a ton of money on DLinemen and LB's only to find out every year that DL and LB are areas of need. Hey but the real joke is on us season ticket holders. Yeah!!!
 
Yes, our FO goes out of our way to NOT sign players because of where they played college football.
 
Yea, I'd rather our FO consider alma mater over talent evaluation as well. I mean, the burnt orange stamp is exponentially more important than what a player can do on the field.

Let's bring Sloan back in place of Andre because the majority of our fans are UT fans and not UM fans.
 
uhh, sorry, this is real life. no professional team has "biases" against potential players because of the colleges they played for.
 
The last GM did not care for UT players. I've posted this before. He didn't feel UT was honest in their reviews of their own players. He believed they overstated their abilities' knowledge and leadership. These are things he stated directly to me. That said Sloan Thomas is not an NFL caliber receiver. Leonard Davis is way overrated and was overpaid by the Cowboys. Ricky and Cedric aren't Bob McNair type of players... to many off the field issues. CC wasn't a Chris Simms fan. He felt that he was too much of a lightning rod for those who thought he could play and those who thought he couldn't. That other quarterback... he might actually turn into something and maybe should have been considered last year. Derrick Johnson can play, but so can Demeco Ryans. You can bad mouth Travis Johnson all you want, but... well actually you may be right. =)
 
I know this may be news to you, but the vast majority of potential football fans DID NOT go to UT nor Texas. There is absolutely no reason the draft players to market (nice word) to that relatively small fan base.
 
bigsack said:
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.
No Cedric Benson. No trades for Ricky Williams, or Roy Williams. I hate the FO for not giving me one player to get excited to watch, except Demeco maybe.

I think that the organization doesnt seem to respect that its fan base is primarily UT and ATM fans. (sorry everyone else) To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft. We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

In short, I have to give a Dan Aykroyd "bah" to the FO. (See trading places as Aykroyd in the Santa suit, stuffs food down his shirt, and takes slugs of his pint of Whiskey; he tries to say Bah Himbug but it comes out as "BAHH!") Green is a good addition but prepare for another season where you cant find anyone to go to the game because the team is BORING to watch. PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!! Come on give me a QB that I might actually use in fantasy. (Carr was better from a fantasy perspective)

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked. We have spent a ton of money on DLinemen and LB's only to find out every year that DL and LB are areas of need. Hey but the real joke is on us season ticket holders. Yeah!!!
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Tell me what DJ has done in teh NFL...cause I can tell you it ain't that much.

Leonard Davis is one of the bigger OT busts in recent memory and just sign for some stupid money.

Ricky Williams is a pot head

Trading for Roy Williams isn't possible because there is no way in hell Det would give him up.

Sloan Thomas is no longer in teh nfl (I think).

Cedric Benson...See Roy Williams, espically after they traded away Jones.

As for this years class of longhorns in the draft:

Ross is a tad overrated and we'll be in position to draft a better CB

Griffin is more suited to playing SS in the NFL, and we already have several SS on the roster.

Blaylock may or may not be that suited to the ZB scheme we run.

AS for inflated sack totals yeah those ACC DE's suck I mean who the hell would want Julius Peppers on their team. I mean he didn't even play in the state of Texas for crying out loud.

There is no reason for the FO to draft palyers from the state of Texas just to appaise the fan base. It's stupid and will lead us to being a worse team then we already are.

I can't fight through the morinicy of your post anymore. Sorry.
 
Texan281 said:
uhh, sorry, this is real life. no professional team has "biases" against potential players because of the colleges they played for.
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Really? How do you explain all of the Denver and GB signing? It's not just a coincidence. Sloan Thomas was cut by Dom Capers, who had no real eye for talent, and when it did fall in his lap he didn't know what to do with it. Kubiak signed a guy named Derrick Johnson, just not the one we wanted to see here. haha.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Really? How do you explain all of the Denver and GB signing? It's not just a coincidence. Sloan Thomas was cut by Dom Capers, who had no real eye for talent, and when it did fall in his lap he didn't know what to do with it. Kubiak signed a guy named Derrick Johnson, just not the one we wanted to see here. haha.
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Uhmmm, last time I checked Denver and GB are not college teams.
 
This is a buisness like any other, and any chance to pick up a top notch player with solid character would never be passed up in regards to regional or collegiate bias. However, alot of Texas talent does get "stolen" from here by great Universities like USC, Michigan, Florida and Oklahoma. I play varsity ball right now, and Nebraska recruits the heck out of our district and I've had the chance to personally talk to one of their recruiters. I've seen Colorado, Arkansas, and LSU in my district quite a bit. There's no bias, the talent is just really spread out.
 
bigsack said:
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players. Sloan Thomas was cut, Derrick Johnson was passed over for....get this Travis Johnson, VY is in there too. What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.
No Cedric Benson. No trades for Ricky Williams, or Roy Williams. I hate the FO for not giving me one player to get excited to watch, except Demeco maybe.

I think that the organization doesnt seem to respect that its fan base is primarily UT and ATM fans. (sorry everyone else) To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft. We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

In short, I have to give a Dan Aykroyd "bah" to the FO. (See trading places as Aykroyd in the Santa suit, stuffs food down his shirt, and takes slugs of his pint of Whiskey; he tries to say Bah Humbug but it comes out as "BAHH!") Green is a good addition but prepare for another season where you cant find anyone to go to the game because the team is BORING to watch. PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!! Come on give me a QB that I might actually use in fantasy. (Carr was better from a fantasy perspective)

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked. We have spent a ton of money on DLinemen and LB's only to find out every year that DL and LB are areas of need. Hey but the real joke is on us season ticket holders. Yeah!!!
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this from a cherry poster? nahhhhh...take your played out argument somewhere.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Really? How do you explain all of the Denver and GB signing? It's not just a coincidence. Sloan Thomas was cut by Dom Capers, who had no real eye for talent, and when it did fall in his lap he didn't know what to do with it. Kubiak signed a guy named Derrick Johnson, just not the one we wanted to see here. haha.
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We go after Denver and Green Bay players because our head coach spent most of his career in Denver and our offensive coordinator/assistant head coach spent most of his career in Green Bay. Green Bay and Denver players fit the system that we run and Our coaches have experience with those players in their system.
 
tulexan said:
We go after Denver and Green Bay players because our head coach spent most of his career in Denver and our offensive coordinator/assistant head coach spent most of his career in Green Bay. Green Bay and Denver players fit the system that we run and Our coaches have experience with those players in their system.
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that's obvious. but, let's give players from some of the other 29 teams a shot is all i'm saying.
 
You mean this isn't our beloved Houston Louagars (pronouced loogie-ers)! (Longhorn/Aggies/Cougars/Bears)
 
mamoo said:
The last GM did not care for UT players. I've posted this before. He didn't feel UT was honest in their reviews of their own players. He believed they overstated their abilities' knowledge and leadership. These are things he stated directly to me. That said Sloan Thomas is not an NFL caliber receiver. Leonard Davis is way overrated and was overpaid by the Cowboys. Ricky and Cedric aren't Bob McNair type of players... to many off the field issues. CC wasn't a Chris Simms fan. He felt that he was too much of a lightning rod for those who thought he could play and those who thought he couldn't. That other quarterback... he might actually turn into something and maybe should have been considered last year. Derrick Johnson can play, but so can Demeco Ryans. You can bad mouth Travis Johnson all you want, but... well actually you may be right. =)
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i wish i knew who you were.
 
of the players you listed, i would only want benson, roy, VY, and DJ. To get cedric or roy we would have had to trade for them, which i would be against doing. I'll give you TJ and thats one of the reasons why Charlie is no longer with the team. However, if we have derrick right now i don't know if demeco would have been drafted. The jury is still out on Mario and anyone who says other wise has something against him.

i don't think anyone in the FO has anything against UT or TAMU or any texas school becuae it would be dumb to neglect schools from a state that is one of the best at producing talent.
 
Could it be that only 1 former longhorn since 1999 has walked away with a Super Bowl ring at the end of the year?

Of course not, but I just like to point that out
 
bigsack said:
I just wanted to throw this out there but it seems to me that the Texan FO doesnt like University of Texas players.

Guess that puts me in good company.

What about Leonard Davis? He may have sucked but the Cowboys got him.

Wow..Thats a ringing endorsement for signing ex-TU players.

To think that Adrian Peterson would get drafted and not VY is insane, even though AP is good. We should be looking at Aaron Ross, Blaylock and Marcus Griffin in the draft.

Draft Ross, Blaylock or Griffin instead of Peterson?

You just forgot to add the :jk: smilie..didn't you?

BTW..VY was drafted, just not by the Texans

We should draft players that looked good against real teams from real conferences not players with planters faschitis or whatever from the ACC, or Tattoo Boy Babin. Why, because when you play teams like Duke, at football, your sack totals can get a tad bit inflated.

Yeah..play in the powerful big 12, and schedule out of conference teams like Sam Houston. And didn't TU schedule North Texas previously? Not too sure. But I'll give credit where credit is due. Both are upgrades from Kansas.


PATRICK RAMSEY are you kidding me!!!

Can't argue with that. Good point.

Oh and whoever spent all of the cap money needs to get their azz kicked.

He did. Kicked into broadcasting or something non gm related.
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:coffee:
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Tell me what DJ has done in teh NFL...cause I can tell you it ain't that much.

Leonard Davis is one of the bigger OT busts in recent memory and just sign for some stupid money.

Ricky Williams is a pot head

Trading for Roy Williams isn't possible because there is no way in hell Det would give him up.

Sloan Thomas is no longer in teh nfl (I think).

Cedric Benson...See Roy Williams, espically after they traded away Jones.
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Couldn't help but notice Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, and Nathan Vasher were absent from your list.:stirpot:
I think being a horn fan actually makes me more critical of the player's talents. But for this year, Robison is one of those players you love as a fan just because of his motor, dude never quits. He's one of those limited ceiling, but high floor guys. At the very minimum, the guy's gonna be a probowl-level special teams player.



There is no reason for the FO to draft palyers from the state of Texas just to appaise the fan base. It's stupid and will lead us to being a worse team then we already are.
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Totally agree. But compare football scouting to baseball scouting. Baseball teams typically draft heavily from their region, but that just might be due to the huge numbers of prep baseball players and the number of games they play, you can't scout 'em all. The ability for teams to review film from any player around the country negates the need to focus on your region.
 
NickO said:
Couldn't help but notice Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, and Nathan Vasher were absent from your list.:stirpot:
I think being a horn fan actually makes me more critical of the player's talents. But for this year, Robison is one of those players you love as a fan just because of his motor, dude never quits. He's one of those limited ceiling, but high floor guys. At the very minimum, the guy's gonna be a probowl-level special teams player.




Totally agree. But compare football scouting to baseball scouting. Baseball teams typically draft heavily from their region, but that just might be due to the huge numbers of prep baseball players and the number of games they play, you can't scout 'em all. The ability for teams to review film from any player around the country negates the need to focus on your region.
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My list was from the first post of the thread.
 
For every pound of BS, there is a grain of truth in this theory. Sometimes, players from the HOUSTON area are passed over because of character issues, or more specifically the worry that leaving Houston people in the Houston area would have them keep running around with the same crews and entourages and getting in a lot of off the field incidents. As far as UT, Not UT, thats pretty much blatantly untrue. Our scouting department does not have a high regard for the accuracy of the self reporting that Mack Brown does, that is in fact true. If we draft a UH/UT prospect, then he is going to be one of the HIGHEST character.
 
I really didn't even want to warrant this thread with a response, but as a huge Longhorn fan, I feel the need to defend those of us who do not feel the way the original poster does.

Do I want to see Longhorns do well in the NFL? Sure, but I'm also a huge Texan fan and want them to become a winning team. Every Longhorn player is not the best fit for this team.

I did not and still would not want the Texans to sign L. Davis...he's big, slow, has a problem keeping his weight down and is a big underachiever. Benson is a great young talent, but has a problem staying healthy thus far in his career. Plus he is not worth what the Bears would want for him (and probably not worth a #3 overall draft pick). Sloan Thomas seemed to have potential but obviously couldn't play on a NFL caliber level.

Yeah...Roy Williams, Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, Corey Redding, etc. are good to great players but they aren't on the Texans team. Wish we had them but we don't.

I do disagree with some evaluations by our staff of Longhorn players such as DJ, VY, Michael Griffin, and Aaron Ross. However, I do not think it was/is because of some grand conspiracy theory or agenda against the University of Texas. They simple feel like there are better options. I may not completely agree with their assessment, but there is no way that their opinion is formed because of some agenda against UT. Give me a break!
 
Well I've been a fan of Texas since I was a child and a fan of this franchise since its inception so I had to put my :twocents: Honestly not every Texas player with fit just like the poster above said. But I would take a look at the DB's that Texas puts out because they teach all of their guys to play all 4 DB positions. Nobody is in a permanent position in the secondary. I would look at Aaron Ross to be our second corner because he has the talent or Mike Griffin because he would make an above average FS. His best year came has a FS in 2005. Well they did have Mike Huff as a SS. Tarrell Brown would be a decent pick up in the later rounds. He just had nagging injuries all year long, but he is healthy now
 
I could not believe we are still talking about this. Im a huge texas fan, I was recruted by them for bb and played there for 2yrs b4 having a career ending injury. With that being said the texans have nothing against UT players nor drafting them. They look at the best talent avalible at that time. Now Aaron Ross is going to be gone by the second round and he would be a huge leap for the 8th pick. I too was suprised that they passed on TJ, I thought he would be a great pick up but that was when CC was in charge so we have to let that one go. RW they saw is not what they expected him to be. He dosent give a all out effort every down but thats just I heard. Anyways just let it go there is nothing bias about it.
 
Texans need to get more LSU players on the team if Domanick Williams isn't gonna play. Good place to start would be LaRon Landry.
 
How about we just say the Texans just need to get the best player avalible and leave it at that. Who cares what school they went to.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing a Texas guy or two in this draft....Ross, Brown, maybe Selvin Young if we take him late enough to make it worthwhile...Ramonce Taylor....whatever.
 
This reminds me of last year when someone said that we shouldn't be able to call ourselves the Texans if we don't have actual Texans on the team.

It was ridiculous last year and it is still ridiculous this year. Where someone goes to college is irrelevant. If you pick a player because he went to a certain school rather than he deserved to be picked at that spot, then you are never going to build a winner.

Besides, if we really wanted to build a team full of talent from a single school, wouldn't we go with Miami? There are probably 10 or 20 times more good NFL players in the league from Miami than from Texas.
 
tulexan said:
This reminds me of last year when someone said that we shouldn't be able to call ourselves the Texans if we don't have actual Texans on the team.

It was ridiculous last year and it is still ridiculous this year. Where someone goes to college is irrelevant. If you pick a player because he went to a certain school rather than he deserved to be picked at that spot, then you are never going to build a winner.

Besides, if we really wanted to build a team full of talent from a single school, wouldn't we go with Miami? There are probably 10 or 20 times more good NFL players in the league from Miami than from Texas.
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correct Miami 2 yrs ago I think had 20 players go to the nfl. the past 2 seasons they havent had that many but I have a feeling all that is about to change again in the comming years.
 
texans83 said:
correct Miami 2 yrs ago I think had 20 players go to the nfl. the past 2 seasons they havent had that many but I have a feeling all that is about to change again in the comming years.
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If you look at the top 5-10 players in every position except for QB, you will most likely see at least 1 guy from Miami.

They really are a football factory.
 
i posted this same topic last year and agree 100%. I think things will change with the new GM and coaches. Casserly, did not like texas players, never had, and never will. it's a east coast thing. Just no respect for texas players. When he was on the pregame show this past season, he did not even mention vince young as one of the up and coming young qb's when he was talking about the new qb's in the league. Sooo glad he gone.
 
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
 
Cook Thom said:
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
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how in the hell are we going to out bid for someone if we dont have enought cap space???
 
Cook Thom said:
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
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get the freak over yourself UT homers. i'd like to know how you figured to fill all those holes at QB-CB-RB-WR after you blow your respective free agent load on one player. plus, from what i have read, the reason davis failed in arizona is that he is a guard playing tackle.
 
Cook Thom said:
I agree there is a obvious prejudice against the University of Texas on the part of Texan management. Just look at the latest example where we made no attempt to out bid the Cowboys for Leonard Davis. Leonard could have come in and immediately turned around our left tackle problem. If the Texans would sign more UT grads we might have a chance to win the Super Bowl.
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Leonard Davis is so over-rated as a LT, you wouldn't be to far off to call him a bust.
 
Texans dont like Texas players ...

I've found that most Texans fans don't like anyone who played college ball north of the Manson-Nixon line.
 
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