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Patrick Ramsey visiting

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Former Green Wave QB, Patrick Ramsey will be visiting the Texans this week. Never had too much success in the league, but I don't think he has been given a fair shake.

It's interesting to note that quarterback Patrick Ramsey is coming to visit, this week. Bringing in Ramsey for a look doesn't make the Texans seem like they intend to keep David Carr, who hasn't commented on the issue because you still get paid.
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http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2007/03/carr_and_green_could_benefit_f.html
 
Now if anyone wants to compare any incoming/current QB's to DC it's this guy. drafted out of a relatively small school, has been hit so many times that he's shell-shocked & can't concentrate down field, bad coaching/schemes that left the kid out to dry & virtually no pocket presence.

Really the only difference between both is there draft positions & mobility.


No thanks, i'll pass.
 
You might as well let carr do it since he & Ramsey are identical & save the cap hit; you also have someone with 1 year in your system.
 
QB75 said:
If they sign Ramsey and trade Carr, I expect that Ramsey will eventually win the starting job.
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If Ransey wins a starting job, I beleive that it will only be because we are molding a rookie QB. No way can I fathom him being brought in as a long term solution.
 
Exithios said:
If Ransey wins a starting job, I beleive that it will only be because we are molding a rookie QB. No way can I fathom him being brought in as a long term solution.
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I expect we're going to sign him to a small something, something. He'll be in the QB competition we'll hold this off season. I doubt we'll hold more than 3 QBs this coming season.

Sage is a lock to make the team(I think). If Plummer shows up, he'll be the starter by default.

If we draft Quinn, BVP & Ramsey, are gone, Porter will go back to the Practice team.

If we don't draft Quinn, Ramsey & BVP will duke it out for the third spot.

Without Plummer, I think it'll be:

Sage, BVP/Ramsey, Quinn
 
Side note: Why the heck did I think he was from Miami and who the heck am I thinking of !? lol

EDIT: Ken Dorsey.....man I was way off!
 
thunderkyss said:
Sage, BVP/Ramsey, Quinn
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Ding ding ding... what does he win, Johnny?!

Sage, Ramsey and Quinn is what the actions are telling us right now. I can't imagine Plummer being in the picture for any draft pick consideration, even though he wants to play here. He just isn't worth it.

Either way it works out with Plummer, putting the screws to a potential Ramsey deal would cheapen the price for Plummer. And truth be told, I don't think there is much risk anymore in TB holding onto Plummer. I am sure if he stays retired, then they don't have to give anything up to Denver. So they have Simms, Garcia, and Plummer in an emergency should there be a significant injury to one of them.

I just worry about taking Quinn. So much expectation and the whole gripping Texan fan base will look at him and immediately say..."Now don't you go being a Carr on us!!!" He is going to get constantly bombarded with David Carr questions and comparisons to Carr after x years of development.
 
kcwilson said:
Ding ding ding... what does he win, Johnny?!

Sage, Ramsey and Quinn is what the actions are telling us right now. I can't imagine Plummer being in the picture for any draft pick consideration, even though he wants to play here. He just isn't worth it.

Either way it works out with Plummer, putting the screws to a potential Ramsey deal would cheapen the price for Plummer. And truth be told, I don't think there is much risk anymore in TB holding onto Plummer. I am sure if he stays retired, then they don't have to give anything up to Denver. So they have Simms, Garcia, and Plummer in an emergency should there be a significant injury to one of them.

I just worry about taking Quinn. So much expectation and the whole gripping Texan fan base will look at him and immediately say..."Now don't you go being a Carr on us!!!" He is going to get constantly bombarded with David Carr questions and comparisons to Carr after x years of development.
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the only monkey wrench I can see in this, is if Plummer & Kubiak thought up this "retirement" crap together. If so, it would only be right for Kubiak to do the right thing, and get Jake in Houston(from a personal stand point, I mean if you ain't got your word, what do you have??).



Ole Miss Texan said:
no it was ken dorsey....lol yes very long weekend.
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You're talking about the U right?? Where Dorsey went to college. I think Texan Bill thinks you're talking about the Dolphins.
 
thunderkyss said:
the only monkey wrench I can see in this, is if Plummer & Kubiak thought up this "retirement" crap together. If so, it would only be right for Kubiak to do the right thing, and get Jake in Houston(from a personal stand point, I mean if you ain't got your word, what do you have??).
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True. But still, If Jake got traded and it was Kubiak's idea about retirement, which I don't think it truly was, then Kubiak and Smith still have to consider the value of the pick they would have to give up. Harrington was had for a 5th rounder... that is the tops of the rung in my opinion, definitely shouldn't pay more than that... if that much.

to be honest, I don't want him here anyways. Would rather roll the dice with Sage or another veteran for a few years than give up a draft pick. He is a two year stop gap at best, so why sacrifice a pick.
 
Mr teX said:
Now if anyone wants to compare any incoming/current QB's to DC it's this guy. drafted out of a relatively small school, has been hit so many times that he's shell-shocked & can't concentrate down field, bad coaching/schemes that left the kid out to dry & virtually no pocket presence.

Really the only difference between both is there draft positions & mobility.


No thanks, i'll pass.
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Shell shocked? He has been sacked 75 times in five seasons. Ramsey has many faults, but being shell shocked is not one of them.
 
kcwilson said:
to be honest, I don't want him here anyways. Would rather roll the dice with Sage or another veteran for a few years than give up a draft pick. He is a two year stop gap at best, so why sacrifice a pick.
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I totally agree... I wish they never started this Snake in Houston "rumor" to begin with.
 
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey........I will not watch a single Texans football game this year.
 
SESupergenius said:
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey........I will not watch a single Texans football game this year.
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The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.
 
Exithios said:
The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.
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This really does make sense. You now have a RB(s) that can carry the load of our offense. Depending on if we can get Dayne to come back that backfield can be pretty darn good and a QB like Sage just has to manage the offense which is something he is good at, and meanwhile you have Quinn learning and hopefully becoming a good Pro.

Now if you ask me, our offense depends alot on the play action. Green makes people respect that play action, but Sage runs that almost perfectly. I don't know about yall but I see the camera move with the RB and then have to fling it back over to the QB to see him running or throwing everytime Sage is in.

As for Quinn, I really hope not but if David is gone by the draft, you can't argue with the idea if they are allowing him to adjust to the game and coach him and not make the mistake they made with David.
 
thunderkyss said:
Signing Ramsey is looking better & better every minute.
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You can have him and your whacked out thinking to go along with it. I crack up at you. Ramsey, Ramsey, he's your man, YEEEEEEEEAAAA!!!
 
If Ramsey could get the same 11 or so TD's that Carr's good for for far less money, and we can get a draft pick for Carr....bring Patrick in.
 
SESupergenius said:
Then I'd come back after the year season and roast you over a nice pitfire because Ramsey fall flat on his face.
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No different than Carr falling flat on his face for 7m per year and people trying to roast others due to not understanding Carr's unlimited potential.
 
HuttoKarl said:
If Ramsey could get the same 11 or so TD's that Carr's good for for far less money, and we can get a draft pick for Carr....bring Patrick in.
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I doubt Ramsey would get the $2million bonus we gave Sage. If he can win the starting job, and only put up 10 Tds for the year, and 11 INTs, I'd say we improved.
 
Exithios said:
The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.
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According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day. Granted, some were paying attention to McKnight, Harris, and Walker...but, just making a comment.
 
SESupergenius said:
If the plan is to let Carr go and we sign Ramsey...
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The Texans aren't going to sign Ramsey to a contract they can't terminate prior to the season. If/when Plummer comes on board, Ramsey would become trade bait.
 
Navy_Chris said:
According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day.
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That's probably been the case every year Notre Dame has hosted a pro day. More players have been drafted out of Notre Dame (450) than any other school.
 
Navy_Chris said:
According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day. Granted, some were paying attention to McKnight, Harris, and Walker...but, just making a comment.
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Sorry for the misinformation, and Thanks for straightening me out Chris.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
No different than Carr falling flat on his face for 7m per year and people trying to roast others due to not understanding Carr's unlimited potential.
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Of course Ramsey's signing should be highly applauded because, according the experts on this board, anyone would be better than Carr.
 
I don't think the Texans are looking to sign Ramsey as a starting QB. I think they are looking at him as a potential backup for Sage and the QB they draft (if they draft one). I'd have no problem with that.
 
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.
 
mamoo said:
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.
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So you're saying Bradlee Van Pelt isn't gonna get a chance to compete? :brickwall

Just kidding. If that's the case, then they need to get this deal done yesterday.
 
mamoo said:
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.
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You think we have some Carr deal set up for Draft Day???
 
Navy_Chris said:
hope so.
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I say give him to oakland this year. Switch spots with them in the 2nd and ask for their 3rd rounder next year. It may be hard to get value for him next year too.

this may allow us to get Kalil at the 33rd pick to bolster our C position.

We may then either draft Quinn in 1 or Kolb/Stanton in the 3rd if either are there. might be doubtful.

If we could somehow get Landry in the 1st. The trade with oak for switching of 2nds this year and get their 3rd next year, Take Kalil in the 2nd. and if we could get Kolb in the 3rd.....

I would be fine with Sage and Ramsey as our QB's....Kolb sitting for a year or two learning the system..improving...and allowing our o-line to get better.

Sage and Ramsey just doesn't sound that good though to me to tell you the truth. It should allow us to have another high pick next year...for one of the Premier Franchise LT's or RB's maybe. Work our cap space and contracts right...we would be much improved by that point and would have a lot of cap space.
 
Carr is still the great unknown. The whole talk about Ramsey competing with Rosenfells could just be a negotiation tactic, though from what I've heard the Texans are normally pretty straight forward with their discussions.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I say give him to oakland this year. Switch spots with them in the 2nd and ask for their 3rd rounder next year. It may be hard to get value for him next year too.

this may allow us to get Kalil at the 33rd pick to bolster our C position.

We may then either draft Quinn in 1 or Kolb/Stanton in the 3rd if either are there. might be doubtful.

If we could somehow get Landry in the 1st. The trade with oak for switching of 2nds this year and get their 3rd next year, Take Kalil in the 2nd. and if we could get Kolb in the 3rd.....

I would be fine with Sage and Ramsey as our QB's....Kolb sitting for a year or two learning the system..improving...and allowing our o-line to get better.

Sage and Ramsey just doesn't sound that good though to me to tell you the truth. It should allow us to have another high pick next year...for one of the Premier Franchise LT's or RB's maybe. Work our cap space and contracts right...we would be much improved by that point and would have a lot of cap space.
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I agree that our OL depth is seriously lacking. We need to address that ASAP.
 
mamoo said:
I heard that Ramsey was offered $2.2 mill by the Broncos today. During the meeting the Texans called and said to wait and meet with them tomorrow (3/6). They also said that Ramsey would have the chance to compete for the starting job with Sage Rosenfels. No other QB was mentioned.
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Do you have a link?
 
Exithios said:
The Texans were one of 3 teams to attend Brady Quinn's Pro-Day. I am suspicious that Carr will be traded (I won't even try to speculate the circumstances of such a trade), Ramsey will be signed as a backup, Sage will be the starter, Quinn will be drafted by Houston at #8, and Bob's your uncle.
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Navy_Chris said:
According to ESPN, representatives from all 32 teams were at Notre Dame's Pro Day. Granted, some were paying attention to McKnight, Harris, and Walker...but, just making a comment.
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You're both right. Representatives were from all 32 teams were there but I think there were only a couple head coaches from what I've read: Romeo Crennel and Gary Kubiak.
 
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