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I guess all the Carr haters would just call me an apologist and anyone who posts on this thread would be labeled as such. Heck for my support of #8 I have been accused of being in his family. From what I understand his brother does post here and he(david) may even read this crap. This is not total blind love of David Carr thread. I know he has made mistakes and this year there were some games in which he looked like he had post-traumatic stress syndrome. He isnt the home town kid, he isnt the heisman winner nor the second coming of warren moon. What he is is a damn good quarterback, who gets back up when he should stay down. and the look in his eye is that he wants more. He wants to get in there and win.
He hasnt been surrounded by the best talent or coaches. Give the guy a break. The coaching staff is now better and the o-line has improved and will be dramtically better with last years draft. I know the knock on Carr is that he is too soft and that he puts christ over football. He doesnt have what it takes to be a winner. well being from San Antonio I have heard the same knock on another David and once he had a stable coaching stafff and some help look what he did. Also do you rockets fans remeber the knock on Hakeem, was that he was too soft and put his faith over the team. well look what he did once he had a good coaching staff and some help.

The point is that I believe that David is our QB who can be great with the help of a good staff and a good team and most importantly our support. so I am asking all the Texan fans who have been there since the oilers left town to show David Carr that we support him and want him to stay and be the QB that will lead our team to the Super Bowl. Go Texans and F* the Cowboys
 
I suuport and respect what you say, I always liked David, he has always been upfront and honest even opening parts of his life he may not be comfortable showing (his son's juvenile diabetes). I say once more with feeling, but if he drops the ball mid-season I think he needs to sit and reevaluate what he wants
 
Okay here's my support.:bubble:

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I don't understand post like this...

It's like some of you guys are Carr fans and not neccessarily Texan fans.

If that's the case.....I totally understand.
 
No fan of the name on the front of the jersey, but everyone likes to pile on the name on the back of the #8 and no one else on the team or franchise gets as much heat. Not even the other #1. there are hundres of pile on or trade david threads. lets keep one going that shows our support.
 
see what I mean. with fans like that would you want to give up body for the team. showing a jock strap that is on the IQ level of a cowboy fan.
 
spurstexanstros said:
No fan of the name on the front of the jersey, but everyone likes to pile on the name on the back of the #8 and no one else on the team or franchise gets as much heat. Not even the other #1. there are hundres of pile on or trade david threads. lets keep one going that shows our support.
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If thats the case why don't you change your name to SpursCarrAstros it would be more truthful
 
spurstexanstros said:
Everybody

I guess all the Carr haters would just call me an apologist and anyone who posts on this thread would be labeled as such. Heck for my support of #8 I have been accused of being in his family. From what I understand his brother does post here and he(david) may even read this crap. This is not total blind love of David Carr thread. I know he has made mistakes and this year there were some games in which he looked like he had post-traumatic stress syndrome. He isnt the home town kid, he isnt the heisman winner nor the second coming of warren moon. What he is is a damn good quarterback, who gets back up when he should stay down. and the look in his eye is that he wants more. He wants to get in there and win.
He hasnt been surrounded by the best talent or coaches. Give the guy a break. The coaching staff is now better and the o-line has improved and will be dramtically better with last years draft. I know the knock on Carr is that he is too soft and that he puts christ over football. He doesnt have what it takes to be a winner. well being from San Antonio I have heard the same knock on another David and once he had a stable coaching stafff and some help look what he did. Also do you rockets fans remeber the knock on Hakeem, was that he was too soft and put his faith over the team. well look what he did once he had a good coaching staff and some help.

The point is that I believe that David is our QB who can be great with the help of a good staff and a good team and most importantly our support. so I am asking all the Texan fans who have been there since the oilers left town to show David Carr that we support him and want him to stay and be the QB that will lead our team to the Super Bowl. Go Texans and F* the Cowboys
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Lima now checks his sign .... Sosa digs in ... here's the stretch and the pitch ... SWUNG ON ... OH MY ... IT's NOT A MATTER IF IT"S GONE BUT HOW FAR . This one's a 85 mph Lima fastball down the middle .
 
B.Diddy said:
If thats the case why don't you change your name to SpursCarrAstros it would be more truthful
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Your signature disturbs me because I recognize what it means.... :tease:

Anyways, I love David and I love the Texans. I want David to be here, but if he gets traded, I will just have to get over it and wish him the best of luck. I will never let a Carr basher win a fight, though. I never have.

Carr Bashers aint got $%^& on me!!
 
B.Diddy said:
If thats the case why don't you change your name to SpursCarrAstros it would be more truthful
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I am a Texan fan first and foremost but as everyone here knows, I have always been a supporter of David. So count me in. I've been asked if I was his father before too.

I want him to succeed wherever he is, I just want it to be here.:yes:
 
All right, that is what im talking about . Lets show him some love . and carr bashers there are your other 100 anti-carr threads go to them please.
 
At this point I want him to succeed not b/c quite frankly I don't see a better option than him. This year's QB draft and FA or trade possibilities don't look any better than Carr IMO.

I'll give him another season
 
I will cheer on whoever is the Houston Texans starting QB in 2007, even David Carr. :texflag:

But I still have the right as a fan to analyze his play on the field. Praise where it is due, and criticism where it is warranted.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
Your signature disturbs me because I recognize what it means.... :tease:

What exactly does it mean.................................


I have always liked david Carr's character i believe he is a geniune good person now haveing said that i feel a change would be the best for his career a new team with a good Oline new fans and a clean slate would give his career new life. I just feel that it's a dark cloud over his head in houston and he might not ever be able to over come it.
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xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't understand post like this...

It's like some of you guys are Carr fans and not neccessarily Texan fans.

If that's the case.....I totally understand.
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I'm a Texans fan first and for most. David Carr is part of the equation as to why after five years were in a leaking boat. Where you and I devege company my friend is that you believe DC is the great satin and I do not. The great satin has been from day one not building the franchise from the inside out. To start over with a rookie or stop gap vet with Plummer...pick any vet on the market, isn't just bad. It's a disater. First you're going to have an A.J. problem very shortly down the road. Secondly barring which method you choose the free agent or the vet stop gap, you're going to have to make the pick of another rookie QB this draft or next to groom. Which means you're by passing a critical need position guy with that first or second round guy. Then you're going to have to start figuring out which guys on the wrong side of five years you're going to keep and who gets replace. You guys have it in your minds that replacing DC automatiacly means imrpovement. What it means in the next three years the team will have a significant turn over. DC dumping is not the magic bean some of you are making it out to be. And if I don't swallow your bildge, how, If I think it is in the best interset of the team overall, and your opinion is dead wrong, does that make me any less of a fan ? Because I can see the dominoes strewn across the floor and you can not ? You know they get the goods for David and pull the trigger, I can live with that. The question on my Texan's mind is why from your corner if the opposoite happens, you can not. In my book someone is a fair weather fan indeed.
 
good point. b Im hoping to clear that dark cloud. I have a question. do you think mario will be treated the same way Carr is? and if he sees how texans fans turn on their players will he stay?
 
spurstexanstros said:
good point. b Im hoping to clear that dark cloud. I have a question. do you think mario will be treated the same way Carr is? and if he sees how texans fans turn on their players will he stay?
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Why do Carr fans have to deflect onto other players? Surely if you believe Carr is that good he should stand on his own and there be no need to bring others into a Carr discussion.
 
spurstexanstros said:
see what I mean. with fans like that would you want to give up body for the team. showing a jock strap that is on the IQ level of a cowboy fan.
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LOL! I thought it was pretty funny.

Until you learn correct grammar, you might want to refrain from accusing other posters of having an "IQ of a cowboy". LOL:loser

P.S. A person that has an adage of Carr being Superman under his screen name is admitting to his/her sub par football IQ. Good day mate!
 
Not a Carr supporter or Hater, but curious as to why ALL of the "HATERS" have to deflect everything to Carr? IF the question can be asked one way, than it begs to be asked the other way...

I want Carr gone as well, but NOT for the same reasons that haters do. I just think that it would be mutually beneficial. IMHO, David did not produce what he was asked to, and conversely the organization did nothing either. Therefore it would be a nice fresh start for both sides.

In addition, if Carr goes somewhere else, it would further expose the shortcomings (too many to list here) of this organization and yet, people would have to take a closer look at those issues rather than put all of the onus on one person / position...
 
Hulk75 said:
Guess we could say the opposite for you.:dontknowa
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You can call it what you want...


It's kinda hard talking about Carr because he's your brother, and I try to be sensitive to that....

But you keep quoting me...


Honestly Hulk, I don't have any love or hate for any player...They don't know me....I don't know them...

I want to see the team I root for and invest so much time into get better and if that includes getting rid of your brother then so be it. No hard feelings, no feelings period. I don't have any emotional ties to any of the players one way or another. I wouldn't care who they traded as long as we get better. period.
 
threetoedpete said:
I'm a Texans fan first and for most. David Carr is part of the equation as to why after five years were in a leaking boat. Where you and I devege company my friend is that you believe DC is the great satin and I do not. The great satin has been from day one not building the franchise from the inside out. To start over with a rookie or stop gap vet with Plummer...pick any vet on the market, isn't just bad. It's a disater. First you're going to have an A.J. problem very shortly down the road. Secondly barring which method you choose the free agent or the vet stop gap, you're going to have to make the pick of another rookie QB this draft or next to groom. Which means you're by passing a critical need position guy with that first or second round guy. Then you're going to have to start figuring out which guys on the wrong side of five years you're going to keep and who gets replace. You guys have it in your minds that replacing DC automatiacly means imrpovement. What it means in the next three years the team will have a significant turn over. DC dumping is not the magic bean some of you are making it out to be. And if I don't swallow your bildge, how, If I think it is in the best interset of the team overall, and your opinion is dead wrong, does that make me any less of a fan ? Because I can see the dominoes strewn across the floor and you can not ? You know they get the goods for David and pull the trigger, I can live with that. The question on my Texan's mind is why from your corner if the opposoite happens, you can not. In my book someone is a fair weather fan indeed.
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Wrong thread.
 
threetoedpete said:
I'm a Texans fan first and for most. David Carr is part of the equation as to why after five years were in a leaking boat. Where you and I devege company my friend is that you believe DC is the great satin and I do not. The great satin has been from day one not building the franchise from the inside out. To start over with a rookie or stop gap vet with Plummer...pick any vet on the market, isn't just bad. It's a disater. First you're going to have an A.J. problem very shortly down the road. Secondly barring which method you choose the free agent or the vet stop gap, you're going to have to make the pick of another rookie QB this draft or next to groom. Which means you're by passing a critical need position guy with that first or second round guy. Then you're going to have to start figuring out which guys on the wrong side of five years you're going to keep and who gets replace. You guys have it in your minds that replacing DC automatiacly means imrpovement. What it means in the next three years the team will have a significant turn over. DC dumping is not the magic bean some of you are making it out to be. And if I don't swallow your bildge, how, If I think it is in the best interset of the team overall, and your opinion is dead wrong, does that make me any less of a fan ? Because I can see the dominoes strewn across the floor and you can not ? You know they get the goods for David and pull the trigger, I can live with that. The question on my Texan's mind is why from your corner if the opposoite happens, you can not. In my book someone is a fair weather fan indeed.
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I can understand what you are saying. That guys like Andre, Pitts, Moulds, & Dunta don't want to be starting over, and we need to start winning. If we don't start winning, that those players will want to go to a winning team, like all the other high profile FAs. You're saying if we dump Carr, we'll have to find a replacement, and it'll take three years to groom him. A guy like Plummer won't do anything, but postpone the inevitable three year QB incubation period if we don't find our new QB in the'07 draft. & by the time he is ready to help us win, Andre, Pitts, Moulds, & Dunta would've moved on.

You're saying we need to put players around that core of guys, before we even worry about how good/bad our QB plays.

That makes sense to me. That line of thinking. You think pulling David would be equivalent to knocking over that first domino.

We, on the other hand, believe that not pulling David is equivalent to knocking over that first Domino. I agree, Andre & Dunta are going to walk, if we don't start winning, if we don't show a commitment to winning. If David is the best QB we can put out there on Sundays. If that's the best we can do, or if that's the best we are willing to have on this team, then how serious are we about winning?? David has not shown the slightest glimpse of being ready to start in this league. He can't go through progressions, he can't recognize mismatches, he can't beat a blitz, and he can't buy you time in or out of the pocket.

But hey, I'll support David being a Houston Texan in '07... but I think he should be holding a clip board trying to keep up with Kubes on the sideline. Let him be the #2 guy in training camp... let him prove that he can play at a very high level against the 2s & 3s in the Preseason, let him show that he understands the offense on the practice squad, and let him surprise the heck out of everyone when he comes in late in the 4th Qtr when we are blowing out some other team, or getting blown out. Let him show that he doesn't need three Qtrs to get "warmed up" Let him earn the job, and prove that he belongs on the field on Sunday, and not the sideline. If nothing else, let him get to week 4 without avg 4 sacks a game.
 
Texan_Bill said:
In addition, if Carr goes somewhere else, it would further expose the shortcomings (too many to list here) of this organization and yet, people would have to take a closer look at those issues rather than put all of the onus on one person / position...
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That's insane. We know our offensive line needs to get better. We understand our defense isn't in the top half of the league. We understand we need better running backs, We understand we need better Corners & Safeties. We know we need to get more pressure on the QB.

But you name it, DE, DT, CB, Safeties, LBs, TEs, WRs, RBs, LTs, Guards, Centers, FBs we've been swaping them for 5 years now. All we ask is the same commitment to making this team better as it relates to the QB position.
 
threetoedpete said:
I'm a Texans fan first and for most. David Carr is part of the equation as to why after five years were in a leaking boat. Where you and I devege company my friend is that you believe DC is the great satin and I do not. The great satin has been from day one not building the franchise from the inside out. To start over with a rookie or stop gap vet with Plummer...pick any vet on the market, isn't just bad. It's a disater. First you're going to have an A.J. problem very shortly down the road. Secondly barring which method you choose the free agent or the vet stop gap, you're going to have to make the pick of another rookie QB this draft or next to groom. Which means you're by passing a critical need position guy with that first or second round guy. Then you're going to have to start figuring out which guys on the wrong side of five years you're going to keep and who gets replace. You guys have it in your minds that replacing DC automatiacly means imrpovement. What it means in the next three years the team will have a significant turn over. DC dumping is not the magic bean some of you are making it out to be. And if I don't swallow your bildge, how, If I think it is in the best interset of the team overall, and your opinion is dead wrong, does that make me any less of a fan ? Because I can see the dominoes strewn across the floor and you can not ? You know they get the goods for David and pull the trigger, I can live with that. The question on my Texan's mind is why from your corner if the opposoite happens, you can not. In my book someone is a fair weather fan indeed.
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One definition of satin is "a fabric in a warp-effect or filling-effect satin weave, as acetate, rayon, nylon, or silk, often having a glossy face and a soft, slippery texture." I believe you meant to write Satan.

Your posts are hard to read. I am not the best writer and I make mistakes. But I think you need to work on that a little. I am just trying to nicely point this out.

Also, you talk about drafting a rookie would be a mistake in replacing Carr. That argument doesn't work in your favor. Have you heard of guy named Vince Young?
 
Im a big supporter of david carr. But if you guys think hes no good your dead wrong. He has played on a team who has the worst o line i ever seen. he doesnt have the help he needs to suceed. He been hit more times then any other qb in this league without a question and all you guys do its throw him under the bus for it. I am sick and tired of people who complain about carr. He does not deserve this. I hope he goes to a team that appriciates his hard work. Houston does not deserve him
 
Here's a request for all David Carr fans. From now on, please classify yourself into one of the following catagories:

1. David Carr's immediate family. I respect the fact that you want him to make lots of money so you can ride the gravy train.

2. Ex-Enron Executives. I understand that you are impressed that David can LEGALLY steal millions of dollars from a major corporation like the NFL.

3. Those suffering from Helsinki Syndrome. You know the ones. The hostages who enventually come to support the causes of their captors.

By doing this, you will help the rest of us know where you are coming from.
Thank you.

:stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot: :stirpot:
 
thunderkyss said:
That's insane. We know our offensive line needs to get better. We understand our defense isn't in the top half of the league. We understand we need better running backs, We understand we need better Corners & Safeties. We know we need to get more pressure on the QB.

But you name it, DE, DT, CB, Safeties, LBs, TEs, WRs, RBs, LTs, Guards, Centers, FBs we've been swaping them for 5 years now. All we ask is the same commitment to making this team better as it relates to the QB position.
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I know it, you know it, but it was completely ludicrous to hear how DC blew this game and blew that game - completely by himself, all season long.

My point was if Carr is removed from the equation, than blame can not be passed solely to him. People (some on this board) could really open their eyes and see that this debacle that has been the last 5 years is not solely on DC.

TK, I have read many of your posts and you are one that cites many areas of concern with respect to this team. There are other folks on this board, who make it their sole mission in life to rip Carr (they are the ones that I call Haters). Whether you (not TK individually, but folks in general) think he is "the guy" or "not the guy" really doesn't matter to me, as long as it is backed up with fact and NOT that "he sucks".

For the record, I wanted Peppers to be our first pick - not a rookie QB to start for an expansion team.

In short, it was one of those statements, that if it applies to you read it, if it doesn't apply to you, move on and read the next post.
 
This thread is like a small rich boy walking into a bad neighborhood...just begging to be beaten and robbed.

I have had the pleasure of working w/david on some of his many charitable functions. And when he talks about the team, you see it in his eyes how bad he wants this team to win.

To have to take the constant beating that he has taken (physically and mentally) is superhuman. I could not respect him any more as a human being. He has had alot of problems on the field in his short career. That being said...I would support a trade FOR PROPER VALUE only. And Im sorry, but Jake Plummer is not an upgrade.

I hope that if he does stay, that our FO can give him what he needs to shut all these bitter armchair QBs up. Bottom line is: He has made many mistakes, but as long as he wears the steel blue, I got his back.

:fans:
 
spurstexanstros said:
good point. b Im hoping to clear that dark cloud. I have a question. do you think mario will be treated the same way Carr is? and if he sees how texans fans turn on their players will he stay?
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I think if mario Williams our other number 1 pick dosen't produce he will be gone sooner than 5 years. This is a buisness not a marriage we don't need counciling we need results it's a results based buisness fans love you today and hate you tomorrow yes i know its cold blooded but thats why their are taught to have thick skin and are paid millions.:survivor:
 
I beleive that Carr has gotten a little better every year for the past 5 years.

-He has learned to move out of the pocket when it starts to close in.

-He has learned to tuck and run when his receivers are covered.

-He has gotten better at decision making during the option plays and recognizing defenses.

-He has gotten better at recognizing the blitz.

Now if he can learn to not lock on AJ every time a pass play is called and scan the field for the open receiver (which I beleive to be his worst fault during the 06 season) I think the passing game will automaticly improve. If the left tackle spot is shored up (be it with Spencer, in the FA, or in the draft) then that will buy him more time to make better coverage reads. If the running game sees some improvement from this past year then the playaction and the option becomes an asset. When he improves in all of these aspects then he can mold himself into a more active leadership role.

I will not state that I am a Carr hater nor a fan, but I am above all else a Texan fan. If Carr is in it for another year then it is because they beleive that Carr is not a lost cause and I support that 100%. I simply wanted to point out that it is not the end of the world if Carr is under center next season wearing a Texans uniform. He just does not deserve to be portrayed as the devils advocate, he is only human afterall.

Go Texans!
 
I would give him another year here.

This off-season, fix the line, fix the RB, and see what happens.
 
can we please rename this thread to the 'official Carr homers thread'

geez, it seems like any supporter of Carr is either a family member or a resident of California.

screw Carr and the horse that he rode in on.
 
Texan_Bill said:
I know it, you know it, but it was completely ludicrous to hear how DC blew this game and blew that game - completely by himself, all season long.
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I am not into bashing the guy but you would have to admit he single handedly lost the Titan game in Tenn. What did he have, like 5 fumbles, three for a loss, one returned for a TD and threw 2 picks, all in the first half.
 
TEXANRED said:
I am not into bashing the guy but you would have to admit he single handedly lost the Titan game in Tenn. What did he have, like 5 fumbles, three for a loss, one returned for a TD and threw 2 picks, all in the first half.
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Yes but i did see him put us in position to win some games and the D blow the game.
 
TEXANRED said:
I am not into bashing the guy but you would have to admit he single handedly lost the Titan game in Tenn. What did he have, like 5 fumbles, three for a loss, one returned for a TD and threw 2 picks, all in the first half.
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Beleive me when I tell you, that that game was miserable and there have been others along the way where I have just scratched my head (along with yelling some really choice cuss words) too . I won't use the lame O-line excuse either (although it still - 5 years later needs to be addressed), like some apologists will. Bottom line, he needs to learn to hold on to the football. He certainly is not Warren Moon that can overcome those fumbling issues, as Moon had to do in his career.

I just don't think throwing him to the wolves in his rookie season - with an expansion team - was the right thing to do. I think most everyone put unrealistic expectations on him from the get, including Ownership, managememnt, coaching staff and the fans... Especially after beating the 'Gurls.

I think a fresh start for both sides will do wonders if thats the route the organization goes. IF Carr does return and start in '07, so be it. I will be at every home game and at every watch party cheering 'them' on. (Them would include the QB position).

Afterall, (I have to go for the cheese here) I'm a Texan!!

I know, I know........
 
:drunk: It is of my humble opinion.....:um: that David will lead us into the playoffs in 2007....:drunk: I predict a breakout year for him and the Texans. And furthermore...:zzz:
 
TEXANRED said:
I am not into bashing the guy but you would have to admit he single handedly lost the Titan game in Tenn. What did he have, like 5 fumbles, three for a loss, one returned for a TD and threw 2 picks, all in the first half.
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Ha! Personally, I put the blame for the loss of that game squarely on Weigert and Salaam. NO WAY we lose that game if the tackles could have kept the Titans from double-crunching Carr.

I think Carr is a phenomenal athlete and an asset to the club. Every QB makes bone-headed decisions. I remember watching Favre throw interception after interception last year against the Bengals.

Carr is not the problem. Anybody who thinks otherwise should look at some facts about David Carr:

1. Brett Favre can throw a football over 50 yards. David Carr can throw Brett Favre even further.
2. When David Carr enters a stadium, he doesn't turn the lights on, he turns the dark off.
3. The grass is always greener in an outdoor stadium, unless David Carr has been there. In that case the grass is most likely soaked in blood and tears.
 
It doesn't make sense that Carr takes as much of the blame as he does. Does anyone really think Jake Plummer is better-I don't! If Carr had a solid line and a premier RB I believe he could be a top QB. Even Peyton Manning looks horrible when he's under pressure-so stop throwing Carr all the blame and lets actually work as a team unit not just blaming David Carr every time something bad happens.
 
TEXANRED said:
I am not into bashing the guy but you would have to admit he single handedly lost the Titan game in Tenn. What did he have, like 5 fumbles, three for a loss, one returned for a TD and threw 2 picks, all in the first half.
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2 fumbles, both lost, one returned for a TD. 1 interception is all I remember. The score was 14-3 Tennessee when he left the game at the beginning of the third Qtr, we lost 28-22, with Sage playing for basically a whole half. If AJ would have caught that ball that bounced off his shoulder pads into Pacman's (whom he clearly had beat) hands, we still could have won that game.
 
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