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Mike Sherman's Actual Value?

michaelm

michaelm

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Has anyone else been surprised in the level (or lack) of interest in Mike Sherman this offseason?
Considering the number of HC vacancies, the list of guys who have been interviewed for various jobs, and the guys who have actually been hired as HCs, I would have expected Sherman to have garnered more interest than he has.
In all honesty, I (and I think others) expected Sherman to be a HC somewhere at this point.
Is it possible that we, on the whole, have been over valuing Sherman? I'm starting to get that feeling myself...


p.s. Don't take this as a knock on Sherman. I'm basically just surprised he's still here...
 
michaelm said:
Has anyone else been surprised in the level (or lack) of interest in Mike Sherman this offseason?
Considering the number of HC vacancies, the list of guys who have been interviewed for various jobs, and the guys who have actually been hired as HCs, I would have expected Sherman to have garnered more interest than he has.
In all honesty, I (and I think others) expected Sherman to be a HC somewhere at this point.
Is it possible that we, on the whole, have been over valuing Sherman? I'm starting to get that feeling myself...
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He had the HC job in Arizona sewn up. He just asked for too much money.
 
I think it benefits a candidate to have many interviews thus keeping his name active. Sherman is waiting for the right opportunity. For now, I am glad he is back with Htown
 
Perhaps he really enjoys Houston and the organization. Work/life balance is a huge benefit that many do not understand until they enter the prime time of their professional careers.
 
Sherm did hisself a disfavor for demanding 4.5 mil from Zona. When a vacancy comes up the thought is Sherm wants 4.5 mil let's see who else we can talk to first for about half that amount. Note that all the new coaching gigs are for less than 4.5 mil.
 
Texian said:
Sherm did hisself a disfavor for demanding 4.5 mil from Zona. When a vacancy comes up the thought is Sherm wants 4.5 mil let's see who else we can talk to first for about half that amount. Note that all the new coaching gigs are for less than 4.5 mil.
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maybe it was because somebody who had never coached a snap in the NFL received a fat contract that will pay him an average of 4.8 mil annually over five years (bobby petrino).
 
I think personally he knows it going to be hard to win in Arizona so I'll come and get my butt handed to me for 4.5 million dollars other than that I don't want the job. So it might have been pretty smart to try and demand too much. a win win situation!
 
Samkonfan said:
I think personally he knows it going to be hard to win in Arizona so I'll come and get my butt handed to me for 4.5 million dollars other than that I don't want the job. So it might have been pretty smart to try and demand too much. a win win situation!
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How is it going to be hard? They have two pro bowl receivers, an up and coming franchise qb, a pro bowl running back, and a top five pick in this years draft where they should be able to fill up a major need. Arizona is going to be a very good team in the next few years.
 
tulexan said:
How is it going to be hard? They have two pro bowl receivers, an up and coming franchise qb, a pro bowl running back, and a top five pick in this years draft where they should be able to fill up a major need. Arizona is going to be a very good team in the next few years.
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Every year, Arizona is going to be one of the new hot teams, and every year, they suck. There's some sort of curse there.
 
I'm not positive I'm happy that Sherman is still here. I think his style conflicts with Kubiaks and creates confusion on the line. I don't think he's a bad coach at all, just two different systems of O-line play is not good when you have the level of talent we have. Does Kubes and Sherman have any personality/HC "style" clashes during practice? I'm never in Houston, so I never get to attend practices.
 
DocBar said:
I'm not positive I'm happy that Sherman is still here. I think his style conflicts with Kubiaks and creates confusion on the line. I don't think he's a bad coach at all, just two different systems of O-line play is not good when you have the level of talent we have. Does Kubes and Sherman have any personality/HC "style" clashes during practice? I'm never in Houston, so I never get to attend practices.
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I think if Kubes clashed he would not have upgraded Sherman's position.
 
I am a little surprised that his name has not come up but I think the league is moving towards a youth trend in hiring head coaches. I also think teams are looking for new guys more then the coaches that have been there before. Lovie Smith and Sean Payton made it to the NFC championship game this year and this is their first head coaching job in the league.
 
Arizona has poor ownership. That is why they have not been a noteworthy team in....forever. Perhaps Sherman asked for 4.5 million because he thought that is the least he would take if he was going to put himself in such a precarious position.

Whatever the case.. im glad we have him..he is a great coach, and I dont doubt that, if he wants it, he will get an HC job somewhere.
 
This is probably one of the best times for a potential head coach to be interviewing, due to the number of HC jobs available right now. He isn't being considered because of his coaching style.

Owners are finding out that there are more than one way to coach the high priced, prima donna athletes. The old school mentality of managing through fear and intimidation doesn't work these days (the boys are making too much money). Those of us who manage know that this is the weakest form of management style. I understand the need for discipline, but there is a difference between demanding excellence and getting nit-picky just to show that you're in charge. Any of you have a boss similar to this?

Sherman was moved up because the OC job is more connected with the other coaches, and not directly with the players. The OC brings the WR, RB and OL schemes together. This gets Sherman away from the one on one contact with the players (somewhat).

Kubes still calls the O plays from the field, unless he doesn't "see" something from the sideline. then the OC in the booth has his chance. I think the OL play will be better with Sherman in the booth. It will be interesting to see the relationship develop from this standpoint, as Shermans' ego won't allow for him to sit in the booth and not call the plays. I think us getting Sherman was a matter of the coaching talent pool that was available to the first time head coach, who I think needed a "backup" who had prior HC experience to help him through his first season. Now that that is done, I think Kubes will further his presence with the team, management and the fans this year. Remember, he too was a rookie this past season.


The great news is that the players are rallying around Kubes, which is the most important thing. Many are already calling him a players' coach, which tells me they are buying into his philosophies.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Every year, Arizona is going to be one of the new hot teams, and every year, they suck. There's some sort of curse there.
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The same things were said about the Saints and the Bengels.

The problem the Cards had was their Oline, they fix that and they are going to win alot of games.
 
tulexan said:
How is it going to be hard? They have two pro bowl receivers, an up and coming franchise qb, a pro bowl running back, and a top five pick in this years draft where they should be able to fill up a major need. Arizona is going to be a very good team in the next few years.
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Maybe. Problem is they have a lot of holes to fill. The probowl running back is creeping up to the number 30 (and we all know problems can occur for backs at that age). They also need a better O-line to give the franchise Qb time. They also desperatly need to work on defense. They have a porous D and have trouble stopping people.

Also, I think the 49ers are looking like a team on the rise, the Seahawks still look pretty good, and the Rams are looking pretty good too. It can be a tough division in a few years.
 
Carr Bomb said:
The same things were said about the Saints and the Bengels.

The problem the Cards had was their Oline, they fix that and they are going to win alot of games.
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Yeah, but...

The Saints have won... what... 2 playoff games in their entire history? They may have turned the corner and I hope they have, but 3-4 good seasons out of about 40?

The Bengals were horrible for a good 10-15 year period and I don't think people were ever picking them to turn things around until Marvin Lewis got there and it still took him a few years. They really didn't have the history of badness that the Cards have.

The Lions are a good example of a "cursed" team. I think they've had a little more success a little more recently than the Cards, though.

For a long time, the Steelers were one of those "cursed" teams until they hired Noll in the late 60's. So, sure, a team can turn it around. Teams are going to get good and then get bad. But the Cards have been consistently bad for a long time.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yeah, but...

The Saints have won... what... 2 playoff games in their entire history? They may have turned the corner and I hope they have, but 3-4 good seasons out of about 40?

The Bengals were horrible for a good 10-15 year period and I don't think people were ever picking them to turn things around until Marvin Lewis got there and it still took him a few years. They really didn't have the history of badness that the Cards have.

The Lions are a good example of a "cursed" team. I think they've had a little more success a little more recently than the Cards, though.

For a long time, the Steelers were one of those "cursed" teams until they hired Noll in the late 60's. So, sure, a team can turn it around. Teams are going to get good and then get bad. But the Cards have been consistently bad for a long time.
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Serious question...What will Mike Sherman's job as Offensive Coordinator be since Kubiak is going to be calling the plays?
 
Carr Bomb said:
The same things were said about the Saints and the Bengels.

The problem the Cards had was their Oline, they fix that and they are going to win alot of games.
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In '03, it was their coaching. Never spent the money to get a proven winner, if they fix that, they're going to win a lot of games.

In '05, it was their running game. you fix that, and they are going to win a lot of games....

In '06, it was their OL......

It's always going to be something in Arizona. I just hope they won't be saying the same about the Texans 2 years from now.
 
thunderkyss said:
In '03, it was their coaching. Never spent the money to get a proven winner, if they fix that, they're going to win a lot of games.

In '05, it was their running game. you fix that, and they are going to win a lot of games....

In '06, it was their OL......

It's always going to be something in Arizona. I just hope they won't be saying the same about the Texans 2 years from now.
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Personally, I don't believe in curses and luck. I believe you make good or bad decisions that affect outcome. all the things that the Cards gave as excuses were all TRUE. They did need a coach with a proven winning record, a great running game , and a good OL. The thing is.... they need to get all these things at once, and they have yet to address that awefull OL. I am a firm believer that the way to build success on any team is by solidifying the Ol and Dl first. After that the run game, pass game and QB play in general, and the coaching all look a lot better. And until Houston fixes their OL, there won't be any championships, regardless of the QB or RB.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Serious question...What will Mike Sherman's job as Offensive Coordinator be since Kubiak is going to be calling the plays?
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Kubiak won't be calling all the plays. He didn't call all the plays last year.

So, I expect Sherman to be in charge of the offensive practices and to run the offensive meetings. I expect him to have a bigger hand in the playcalling than he had last year. I expect him and Kubiak to work together to come up with the offensive gameplans.

All last year, we talked a lot about Kubiak's system and how we were going to have the Denver playbook with a Texan's logo, etc. But I think in the end, we had a playbook that was a synthesis of the Bronco and Packer offenses. I think Kubiak is trying to develop something new and he's picking Sherman's brain to do it.
 
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