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Speculation about Carr to the Vikes?

Texan in Japan

Texan in Japan

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KFFL reports that the team would be willing to trade Carr for a second-to-sixth round pick, creating the strictest of parameters for a deal. Meanwhile, the St. Paul Pioneer Press is reporting that the Vikings and Texans have discussed the possibility of Carr coming to Minnesota for a fourth-rounder.

This is an interesting piece to the article...2nd to 6th rd pick? If those are the parameters we're in trouble!
 
texans83

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Texan in Japan said:
KFFL reports that the team would be willing to trade Carr for a second-to-sixth round pick, creating the strictest of parameters for a deal. Meanwhile, the St. Paul Pioneer Press is reporting that the Vikings and Texans have discussed the possibility of Carr coming to Minnesota for a fourth-rounder.

This is an interesting piece to the article...2nd to 6th rd pick? If those are the parameters we're in trouble!
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For sure, Man I hope that isent Capers doing all of the talking for us
 
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I would take a 4th, but I wouldn't do it too soon. If they are really targeting Plummer, we don't want Denver to raise the stakes for him. (Of course, I hope they release Plummer then we sign him) If we get rid of Carr too early, then we're in a position of needing a veteran starter and may have to give up a draft choice.
 
texans83

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I agree, if we trade Carr too soon then we will have to give up what we got for him to Denver if that is the direction they want to go, which I think it is. Im still not sold on the idea of plummer but I guess only time will tell.
 
Double Barrel

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I'm not sure how much faith I put into a random blog...but you never know I guess.
 
Texan in Japan

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I'm torn on trading or keeping Carr. I look at his physical gifts and see the perfect franchise QB. Then I watch games and see a guy that our team probably ruined by throwing him to the wolves.

I wonder what he could do w/ AD at RB, a better OL and another year w/ Kubes. I worry that we'll trade him and he'll become a Plunkett or Gannon for someone else and we'll be stuck w/ an older vet who's no better.

Being stationed in Germany I had to buy the games over the internet. Carr looked VERY shaky at times and it was clear Kubes minimized his role towards the end of the year. I was able to listen to one of Carr's post game reports and his word's after loss to Titans did not inspire or exude confidence or leadership.

Yet despite these shortfalls, I don't see a better replacement in this draft or FA market for our situation. I wouldn't mind drafting a QB like Mich St Drew Stanton in 3rd, but if that occured I'd want at least a 3rd in return for Carr.
 
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Aside from your views on whether you like David Carr or not, this is just a thread on what you'd like to get in return IF it DID happen. Being that the case, I would think that anything better than a 3rd round would be great, but anything worse than a 3rd would not be a good deal for us.
 
Eyeguy

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I have a feeling that what ever we get for Carr, Denver will bet asking the same thing for Plummer.
I don't think they will get it, but if they keep Plummer on the roster long enough they might get one round lower.
 
Texan in Japan

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SESupergenius said:
Aside from your views on whether you like David Carr or not, this is just a thread on what you'd like to get in return IF it DID happen. Being that the case, I would think that anything better than a 3rd round would be great, but anything worse than a 3rd would not be a good deal for us.
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Agreed. I think he's shown more than Joey Harrington and most teams have to admire his athletic ability and his durability. For instance, GB decides that DC could replace Favre. They trade a #3 and sit David for a year and let him watch Brett. Although GB overachieved a bit this year, with another solid draft or two they could be play-off team if they have a solid QB.

Raiders would also be an excellent candidate given Davis rep for taking retreads and making them SB QBs.
 
HoustonFrog

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Texan in Japan said:
Agreed. I think he's shown more than Joey Harrington and most teams have to admire his athletic ability and his durability. For instance, GB decides that DC could replace Favre. They trade a #3 and sit David for a year and let him watch Brett. Although GB overachieved a bit this year, with another solid draft or two they could be play-off team if they have a solid QB.

Raiders would also be an excellent candidate given Davis rep for taking retreads and making them SB QBs.
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GB wouldn't do it when they still have a guy backing up Favre..Rodgers..that hasn't even gotten a chance.

Again, Carr has shown nothing but the ability to take a hit. Teams won't give up a 3rd unless they are desperate to make a move or have extra picks. He won't be an upgrade over most guys up there and will have to compete.
 
Texan in Japan

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In fact, I could see Davis trading for Carr and then drafting AD or Calvin Johnson w/ #1 pick. He could still trade Moss and use that pick for more horsepower also.
 
Texian

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Trade Carr for a 5th RD pick conditional on it becoming a 2nd RD pick if he plays in 50% of the games.
 
Texan in Japan

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HoustonFrog said:
GB wouldn't do it when they still have a guy backing up Favre..Rodgers..that hasn't even gotten a chance.

Again, Carr has shown nothing but the ability to take a hit. Teams won't give up a 3rd unless they are desperate to make a move or have extra picks. He won't be an upgrade over most guys up there and will have to compete.
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It appears from some of what I've read that GB is not sold on Rodgers has the heir apparent.
 
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I think a 3rd is'nt that bad to take a flier on a former first overall pick . Drew Henson brought that .

I think the Lions screwed up the Harrington deal ... go figure .
 
Ole Miss Texan

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To give yall an idea about how much draft picks are worth according to the chart....theres a huge difference between a 3rd and a 4th.

Vikes 3rd= 235 pts
Vikes 4th= 88pts

i was hoping maybe we give them Carr and our 4th for their third. or Carr and our 3rd for their 2nd. but that looks very unreasonable from their end. i see teams giving us their 4th for carr..

if we can get anyone's 3rd for him it'd be amazing.
 
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Texan in Japan said:
It appears from some of what I've read that GB is not sold on Rodgers has the heir apparent.
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Yeah, I see the same thing.

I watched some preseason games with Rodgers...and he was doing awful against 3rd string defenses. The commentators said that it didn't bode well at all for Rodgers. You could see the whole team just sort of go into a depression when he took the field and couldn't do anything at all.
 
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caddy said:
This is really great.. the carr haters are having a field day with this. I find it amusing that the affect it will have on the team in their minds is nothing but a huge up side. Of course, the homer's have too be wrong. After all it's all David's fault that Texans haven't been a winning team. Example; a friend of mine from Detroit, wanted to see Carr go... but when he found out one new home might be the Vikings, whoa he soon realized that David would playing his Lions twice a year.. MMmm David with a stronger team, and able to have time to look down field with his arm is not so palatable to him now. Of course with Jags, we would have to face him twice a year. But surely with our O-line and Plummer's throwing record it will be a sure thing. LMAO Being a betting man, My money will go on Carr.. showing that he does have the skills, and heart of a outstanding QB. Along with a stronger offense, it sounds like a good move for him.. not us Texan fans.
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If he's got these attributes maybe we can get a first round pick .
 
HOU-TEX

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caddy said:
This is really great.. the carr haters are having a field day with this. I find it amusing that the affect it will have on the team in their minds is nothing but a huge up side. Of course, the homer's have too be wrong. After all it's all David's fault that Texans haven't been a winning team. Example; a friend of mine from Detroit, wanted to see Carr go... but when he found out one new home might be the Vikings, whoa he soon realized that David would playing his Lions twice a year.. MMmm David with a stronger team, and able to have time to look down field with his arm is not so palatable to him now. Of course with Jags, we would have to face him twice a year. But surely with our O-line and Plummer's throwing record it will be a sure thing. LMAO Being a betting man, My money will go on Carr.. showing that he does have the skills, and heart of a outstanding QB. Along with a stronger offense, it sounds like a good move for him.. not us Texan fans.
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He very well may have all the attributes you've mentioned. That said, are the Texans supposed to go year after year waiting for him to display these talents? He needs a change of scenery. Many QBs have flourished after being traded to a different team. :winky:
 
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If Carr went to the Vikings, I don't think he'd win the job, and if he did I don't think he'd have it for that long.
 
kcwilson

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Texan in Japan said:
In fact, I could see Davis trading for Carr and then drafting AD or Calvin Johnson w/ #1 pick. He could still trade Moss and use that pick for more horsepower also.
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I totally agree with your thoughts. They could bring in Carr, upgrade either the RB situation, or WR spot, or probably like most would like, draft Joe Thomas #1 and make him your franchise LT for a few years... then they could move Robert Gallery back inside to Guard, his natural position and hope that he turns around his career.

Surely they can get a draft pick of sorts for Moss AND/OR Porter and start piling up picks, plus with Moss off the cap figure, they can be a bit active in getting some other talent.

The thing about the Raiders, is that their defense is just about there... they can be very tough, but their offense is in shambles.
 
beerlover

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I thought the report stated the Vikings where offering a 4th rd. pick. not sure on cap hit or how much of the contract the Texans would have to eat, but the 4th rd. pick for a former #1 overall pick seems like a terrible deal for the Texans. his value is worth much more even if he is just a back-up to Sage, forget about the Money (the brain trust & McNair have already signed off on the deal).

Best case for Houston is they keep Carr & rebuild his value not only to the team but potential new teams then draft a QB Kubiaks wants to groom, then when the timing is more in our favor make a trade & y'all who know me that I would love more draft picks, but this deal would reek :cowboy1:
 
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Carr for the Vikes 5th round pick and switch draft spots in the 1st and 2nd rounds?
 
Ole Miss Texan

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atxcoolguy said:
Carr for the Vikes 5th round pick and switch draft spots in the 1st and 2nd rounds?
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That'd be great if they traded with Cleveland to try and get CJ...and then we get their pick at like #3, and then trade the rights away to draft CJ and get a whole lotta picks.
 
cook56

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I think a 3rd round pick would be ideal for us. But, would not accept anything less than a 4th. Maybe take a 4th and make it a conditional pick based on playing time etc.. that could cause it to become a 3rd.
 
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I am wondering if this rumor is really about the Texans swapping their first rounder with the Vikes plus the Vikes' 4th rounder for Carr. They move up a spot plus get an extra pick.
 
dirty steve

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all this BS cracks me up. everybody wants Carr to take the first train out, but some are "i wouldnt take less than a 2, i ABSOLUTELY wouldnt take less than a 3...a 4 is rock bottom value for DC." you people hate on him all the time, and now your sitting trying to drum up value for him. joey harrington was traded for a 5TH ROUND PICK. i'd be surprised if they get a conditional 4th.
 
americastayawayfrommywomb

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I can't see this trade happening now but I could see something happening on the day of the draft. I think the Vikes might take their chances in free agency first and move down the price for Carr. But if the Bucs throw their hat in the ring for Carr, all bets are off.
 
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