Jake the Snake...another post.

So we get Jake Plummer. we upgrade left tackle and get a franchise running back in AP or marshawn lynch. we bulster up the defense. Do you think Plummer was a necessary upgrade? I understand many don't think he's an upgrade at all over Carr and most argue that well he was probably the most successful starting qb to be benched. 7-3 is not a bad record to have during week 11. But can Plummer have the same success he had with Kubiak back in Denver, here in Houston? Denver had a much better defense than we probably will have next year. They probably had a better OL than we will have next year. BUT, we could easily have a better RB, better WR's, as good of a special teams...

I think Plummer is a good move for next season or two. Now the question is, what QB's are out there that fit our scheme that won't go in the first round?

Actually the thought of Plummer at the helm with Kubiak in charge does not scare me in the least. Like you said...a couple of seasons with the right replacement in the works, and we could be breaking wind through silk underwear in no time.

I'll take this data from McClain and say that I'd like this much more than what we have. I'm not saying he is the man. This would be a better choice in my book though.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/mcclain/4543685.html

"FOR those of you who think Jake would be a mistake for the Texans, here's the lowdown on Plummer's performance at Denver when Gary Kubiak was his offensive coordinator from 2003-05.

Plummer, 32, had a 32-11 regular-season record under Kubiak, going 9-2 in 2003, 10-6 in 2004 and 13-3 in 2005.

Last season, when Mike Heimerdinger returned to Denver to replace Kubiak, Plummer didn't play well and was benched after 11 games. But he was 7-4 as a starter.

In his four seasons with the Broncos, Plummer was 39-15 in the regular season and 1-3 in the playoffs.

When he played for Kubiak, Plummer's touchdown-to-interception ratio was 15-7 in 2003, 27-20 in 2004 and 18-7 in 2005.

That's 60 touchdown passes and 34 interceptions.

Under Kubiak, Plummer had the best passer ratings of his career: 91.2, 84.5 and 90.2."

HoustonFrog said:

I'll take this data from McClain and say that I'd like this much more than what we have. I'm not saying he is the man. This would be a better choice in my book though.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/mcclain/4543685.html

"FOR those of you who think Jake would be a mistake for the Texans, here's the lowdown on Plummer's performance at Denver when Gary Kubiak was his offensive coordinator from 2003-05.

Plummer, 32, had a 32-11 regular-season record under Kubiak, going 9-2 in 2003, 10-6 in 2004 and 13-3 in 2005.

Last season, when Mike Heimerdinger returned to Denver to replace Kubiak, Plummer didn't play well and was benched after 11 games. But he was 7-4 as a starter.

In his four seasons with the Broncos, Plummer was 39-15 in the regular season and 1-3 in the playoffs.

When he played for Kubiak, Plummer's touchdown-to-interception ratio was 15-7 in 2003, 27-20 in 2004 and 18-7 in 2005.

That's 60 touchdown passes and 34 interceptions.

Under Kubiak, Plummer had the best passer ratings of his career: 91.2, 84.5 and 90.2."

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The article was no surprise given McLain's being a Titan fan. He rarely misses a chance to take a shot At Carr; in this case praising Plummer.

Here are some items McClain forgot to mention in his article. While Plummer was with Denver the Broncos were #1 or 2 in rushing offense, the Oline was one of the best in the NFL, they had very good running backs & recievers and a good defense. Denver made the decision against Plummer before Kubiak coached his first game as a Texan and before Plummer played his first game without Kubiak as his coach when the Broncos traded up to get a QB in last years draft.

Simple question for all the Plummer lovers, what would Jake's stats and record be if had played in Houston the last 5 years?

If kubiak dumps Carr for Plummer and plays worse than Carr, Kubiak's job could very well be on the line.

QB75 said:

The article was no surprise given McLain's being a Titan fan. He rarely misses a chance to take a shot At Carr; in this case praising Plummer.

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Give me a break. McClain might say alot of crazy things but the guy has been a huge supporter of Houston football, etc. The article had nothing to do with Carr. It basically laid out one man's stats and let people see for themselves. How are poiting out a guys stats dissing Carr? Its nice for a reporter to give people all the facts regarding options. Of course with some of you guys it is always about Dave not getting everything he should get..lol.

Texian said:

Here are some items McClain forgot to mention in his article. While Plummer was with Denver the Broncos were #1 or 2 in rushing offense, the Oline was one of the best in the NFL, they had very good running backs & recievers and a good defense. Denver made the decision against Plummer before Kubiak coached his first game as a Texan and before Plummer played his first game without Kubiak as his coach when the Broncos traded up to get a QB in last years draft.

Simple question for all the Plummer lovers, what would Jake's stats and record be if had played in Houston the last 5 years?

If kubiak dumps Carr for Plummer and plays worse than Carr, Kubiak's job could very well be on the line.

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Here is what I don't get about alot of the posts on this board..and I'm not trying to dog you..I'm just saying in general...why are people Plummer lovers if they want to compare other QBs to what we have?It is like people aren't allowed to try and look at football facts and stats and make their own decisions. I'll say what I've said 50 times on this board, there are a 100s of guys with NFL arms, etc that can't make it in this league. People are tired of Carr excuses. People are evaluating options. I don't particularly love Jake but I like seeing stats and evaluating how he compares to what we have. I also don't think many people are counting on him to be the savior. I can see guys like him being a step up while we have a younger guy learn the system. The 5 year waiting period for some has grown tiresome.

HoustonFrog said:

Give me a break. McClain might say alot of crazy things but the guy has been a huge supporter of Houston football, etc. The article had nothing to do with Carr. It basically laid out one man's stats and let people see for themselves. How are poiting out a guys stats dissing Carr? Its nice for a reporter to give people all the facts regarding options. Of course with some of you guys it is always about Dave not getting everything he should get..lol.

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He's never forgiven the Texans for not drafting Vince Young and ever since it has biased his views on the Texans and Carr.

QB75 said:

The article was no surprise given McLain's being a Titan fan.

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That makes sense....the Titans were never mentioned. David Carr wasn't mentioned and Vince Young wasn't mentioned.

QB75 said:

He rarely misses a chance to take a shot At Carr; in this case praising Plummer.

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Him and every other journalist, radio/TV personality in Houston are all advocates of changing QB's. What's their excuse?

HoustonFrog said:

Here is what I don't get about alot of the posts on this board..and I'm not trying to dog you..I'm just saying in general...why are people Plummer lovers if they want to compare other QBs to what we have?It is like people aren't allowed to try and look at football facts and stats and make their own decisions. I'll say what I've said 50 times on this board, there are a 100s of guys with NFL arms, etc that can't make it in this league. People are tired of Carr excuses. People are evaluating options. I don't particularly love Jake but I like seeing stats and evaluating how he compares to what we have. I also don't think many people are counting on him to be the savior. I can see guys like him being a step up while we have a younger guy learn the system. The 5 year waiting period for some has grown tiresome.

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Its not stats that bother me, its attributing the TEAM's record to the QB. The Denver Broncos were 7-3 when Plummer was benched, Jake Plummer was not 7-3. Having a great running game or great D (conversly, a terrible run game, D, O-line, WR's etc) have as big an imapct and often times bigger impact then the QB. In my opinion, the only entities that should have records attached to them are teams and head coaches. One player does not decided the fate of an entire season, as saying that Plummer was 13-3 two years ago implies.

QB75 said:

He's never forgiven the Texans for not drafting Vince Young and ever since it has biased his views on the Texans and Carr.

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Even though Carr, the Titans and all of that was taken out of the article and he basically laid out stats.

run-david-run said:

Its not stats that bother me, its attributing the TEAM's record to the QB. The Denver Broncos were 7-3 when Plummer was benched, Jake Plummer was not 7-3. Having a great running game or great D (conversly, a terrible run game, D, O-line, WR's etc) have as big an imapct and often times bigger impact then the QB. In my opinion, the only entities that should have records attached to them are teams and head coaches. One player does not decided the fate of an entire season, as saying that Plummer was 13-3 two years ago implies.

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No but I'll repeat what I posted to you in another thread. QB may be one of the most, if not the most important position in sports. That is what people fail to realize here. They can gloss it all they want but they touch the ball every play on offense and everything from the cadence, to studying film, to knowing the playbook, to reading defenses, etc comes into play. QB isn't a position that is paid millions to be medicore and to just take care of a tiny bit on the team. That concept takes away from everything a great QB does to make a team better...the Bradys, the Mannings, the Montanas, etc, etc. Plummer didn't do that on his own and I'm not advocating bringing him in but his stats bear looking at compared to the production we have gotten. It is not realistic for fans to trivialize the affect of a QB just because they feel we need to surround ours with great players to cover for his inadequacies.

I wonder what his girlfriend is going to do?

It's not like she is going to keep on being a cheerleader for the Donkeys.

Watch us end up with signing Kurt Warner about 6 games into the season... he comes in out of retirement and leads the Texans to a playoff berth with Johnson.

Then becomes the first Texan in the HOF.

QB75 said:

The article was no surprise given McLain's being a Titan fan. He rarely misses a chance to take a shot At Carr; in this case praising Plummer.

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In what way out of that above statement did you get "Vince Young" and "I, John McClain love the Titans".

Please. Other than telling the truth about Plummers and Kubiaks track record together, there was no homerism anywhere in that article.

Battle Red Bull said:

That makes sense....the Titans were never mentioned. David Carr wasn't mentioned and Vince Young wasn't mentioned.



Him and every other journalist, radio/TV personality in Houston are all advocates of changing QB's. What's their excuse?

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I guess it can't be that our QB makes big bucks and is not very consistent . That would be more complicated than to say the media of the city is plotting the ruination of #8 from Fresno State .

Texian said:

Simple question for all the Plummer lovers, what would Jake's stats and record be if had played in Houston the last 5 years?

If kubiak dumps Carr for Plummer and plays worse than Carr, Kubiak's job could very well be on the line.

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who cares? what does that have to do whether it is good to bring him or not? to me, it is the best option. not huard, not garcia, etc.

HoustonFrog said:

No but I'll repeat what I posted to you in another thread. QB may be one of the most, if not the most important position in sports. That is what people fail to realize here. They can gloss it all they want but they touch the ball every play on offense and everything from the cadence, to studying film, to knowing the playbook, to reading defenses, etc comes into play. QB isn't a position that is paid millions to be medicore and to just take care of a tiny bit on the team. That concept takes away from everything a great QB does to make a team better...the Bradys, the Mannings, the Montanas, etc, etc. Plummer didn't do that on his own and I'm not advocating bringing him in but his stats bear looking at compared to the production we have gotten. It is not realistic for fans to trivialize the affect of a QB just because they feel we need to surround ours with great players to cover for his inadequacies.

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But you've completly ignored his point. Teams in the past have won games and Super Bowls - Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? - and I'd rather have a mediocre QB and fix more important parts of the team. That's what Kubes is trying to do - thats what he did last year when he took mario and demeco.

Yes Carr is inconsistant at times but we're better off with Carr than Plummer - why do you think they traded up for Jay Cutler? Comedy Value? Plummer is not a good QB, I'd go as far as saying he's worse than Carr. I've talked to Bronco fans and they all hate Plummer, and they will tell you they win games in spite of him - just like we do with Carr. I'd rather focus on other, more important parts of the team rather than QB.

evil_scotsman said:

But you've completly ignored his point. Teams in the past have won games and Super Bowls - Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? - and I'd rather have a mediocre QB and fix more important parts of the team. That's what Kubes is trying to do - thats what he did last year when he took mario and demeco.

Yes Carr is inconsistant at times but we're better off with Carr than Plummer - why do you think they traded up for Jay Cutler? Comedy Value? Plummer is not a good QB, I'd go as far as saying he's worse than Carr. I've talked to Bronco fans and they all hate Plummer, and they will tell you they win games in spite of him - just like we do with Carr. I'd rather focus on other, more important parts of the team rather than QB.

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I didn't ignore his point. The 2 guys you mentioned are the exception not the rule. The list of top QBs that have won it all is a list of Hall of Famers. 2 guys out of 41 doesn't sway me. To me, naming off those guys is another excuse being made so as to say that we can do other things besides improve in ALL areas. It is saying we have an overpriced QB who can't win games for us so we should surround him with people to make up for his own inadequacies.

You don't know Carr is better than Plummer. None of us do. As I said above I am not saying he is the man but look at the stats provided under Kubiak. Even the article above talked about how they couldn't stand Plummer this year. I just cut that part off. You can hit the link. Carr hasn't shown he can do any of these things under any coach. Bringing in Cutler actually makes my point. They had a veteran that they could depend on and made a rookie learn the system. Once he came up to speed they gave him the reins. No one is saying Jake wins the SB or we should sign him for 5 years OR that he is the man but he is a vet that knows the system, has won under the system and is someone that can improve the team while a younger QB learns. That is all people are asking for.

David Carr's first 11 games in 06.......
yards td int att/com w/l
208 1 0 18/27 l
219 3 0 22/26 l
208 2 1 19/29 l
230 1 1 22/29 w
128 0 2 15/27 l
224 2 0 25/34 w
113 0 1 15/21 l
176 0 0 21/31 l *
167 0 0 16/32 w
223 0 1 25/30 l *
321 1 1 39/54 l *

2217 10 7 217/340 3-8



Jake Plummer
yards td int att/com w/l
138 0 3 13/26 l
173 0 1 16/30 w
256 2 0 15/30 w
106 1 1 13/21 w
102 0 0 11/18 w
209 1 2 20/41 w
174 1 0 13/21 l
227 3 0 16/27 w
210 2 3 20/31 w
183 0 1 13/28 l
216 1 1 25/39 l

1994 11 12 175/312 7-4

Now if you all remember correctly the Giants and Buffalo we should have clearly won.Those games have a star by them. Plus i put one next to the Jets game as well, because i think with a running game we would have won that one. We had a total of like 25 rushing yards that game. That would have put us at 6-5 one game behind the broncos. David had a better td/int ratio and more yards. Now I am not saying that Dave is the best nor the worst Qb but i think he can be a lot better with a consistent running game. I mean when he is bad is he REALLY BAD!!!if you look at the stats I see the more Carr throws the better chance we have of winning. Each time he threw 30 or more times we won or should have.....and his td-int ration was 3-2. I think with a better defense and a consistent running game and giving David a chance to throw more and get in a groove, we have an exceptionally high chance of winning. Like when we beat Jacksonville the 1st time he threw 29 times but we lost to Dallas when he trew 29 times, but guess what we had a total of like 34 yards and Dave ran for 15, and was the leading rusher of the team........wow.....It may not seem like it but the more he throws the higher chance of us winning. I say give him ball and let it go. Give him time with a new o line and he will do wonders........

cold pizza is talking about david carr and jake plummer today.

run-david-run said:

Its not stats that bother me, its attributing the TEAM's record to the QB. The Denver Broncos were 7-3 when Plummer was benched, Jake Plummer was not 7-3. Having a great running game or great D (conversly, a terrible run game, D, O-line, WR's etc) have as big an imapct and often times bigger impact then the QB. In my opinion, the only entities that should have records attached to them are teams and head coaches. One player does not decided the fate of an entire season, as saying that Plummer was 13-3 two years ago implies.

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So then who's the better QB?? Peyton, or Brady??

alot of people.... I don't know about you, will say it's Brady, because he's got the rings. But then turn around & say Wins & losses are mis-leading, when talking about David Carr compared to other QBs....

I agree with you to a point. The team wins/loses games.... But I also understand the QB is a big part of that. Whether he's asked to drive the bus, and not screw anything up, or if he is the playmaker on offense.

When he is the playmaker, Brady, Peyton, Farve, it Ws & Ls can be hung on the QBs stat sheet... & probably should(at least to some degree). But if you're a guy like Troy Aikman..... not as much. Not that Troy didn't make plays for the Cowboys.... but he wasn't the playmaker for those SuperBowl Teams. He had a lot of help.

David has had AJ, and DDW... not the same level of help that Aikman had, but better than many a QB who has come & gone.

& I agree with you, David's Ws & Ls aren't as indicative of his QBing abilities as they are for Peyton or Brady, so folks judging him on wins & losses missed the boat. But the level of incompetence he displayed should be enough to at least question the decision to start him in '07.

I'm not a big fan of Jake Plummer. & my first choice would not be to bring him to Houston. Especially if the plan is to get a LT & AD in the draft.

If we get a LT & AD in the draft, I think we should:

1. Start Sage
   If he does well, moving the team, is sacked less than 3 times a game over the first 5 games, If he ever throws for more than 300 yards a game in that first 5.... If our offense looks unstoppable(which I strongly believe we should look pretty potent with a competent QB)...... then we can assume the line is fixed, stick David back there, and see what's up. or
2. Start David
   If he does well, moving the team, is sacked less than 3 times a game over the first 5 games, if he throws for more than 300 yards a game in that first 5.... if our offense looks unstoppable(which I strongly believe we should look pretty potent with a competent QB)..... then we can assume the line is fixed, and continue on to a play-off berth.

But I don't think David will have that kind of success, until it's proven that the line can & does work...... I think this year, we'd have been much better, if that wasn't David out there testing the pass protection.

evil_scotsman said:

But you've completly ignored his point. Teams in the past have won games and Super Bowls - Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? - and I'd rather have a mediocre QB and fix more important parts of the team. That's what Kubes is trying to do - thats what he did last year when he took mario and demeco.

Yes Carr is inconsistant at times but we're better off with Carr than Plummer - why do you think they traded up for Jay Cutler? Comedy Value? Plummer is not a good QB, I'd go as far as saying he's worse than Carr. I've talked to Bronco fans and they all hate Plummer, and they will tell you they win games in spite of him - just like we do with Carr. I'd rather focus on other, more important parts of the team rather than QB.

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Denver didn't trade up for Jay cutler. Jay Cutler lasted until they were up and they were smart enough to draft the best available player on the board. Thats exactly what Shanahan said in regards to why he drafted Cutler when he already had Plummer.

Why can't we have both? make it an open competiton for the QB spot, keep the other guy as the backup incase of injury. We have the cap space, if plummer falls apart at least we can go back, if he succeeds we can cut or trade Carr

jacquescas said:

Why can't we have both? make it an open competiton for the QB spot, keep the other guy as the backup incase of injury. We have the cap space, if plummer falls apart at least we can go back, if he succeeds we can cut or trade Carr

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If Jake is fine with being a back-up, why would he leave Denver??

If he leaves Denver, he'll most likely want a starting Job. We don't have one on our roster.

As long as there aren't any teams out there willing to guarantee a starting gig, he might come to Houston.

Miami?? I doubt they'll guarantee if they're even looking for a QB.

Detroit?? A QB has to be insane or really really desperate to be a "starter" to go up to Detroit.

Carolina?? Is it really that bad yet??

He might be able to walk on in JacksonVille....... then we can face him twice a year.

Man come on now Jake Plummer sucks we dont need him here

HoustonFrog said:

I'll take this data from McClain and say that I'd like this much more than what we have. I'm not saying he is the man. This would be a better choice in my book though.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/mcclain/4543685.html

"FOR those of you who think Jake would be a mistake for the Texans, here's the lowdown on Plummer's performance at Denver when Gary Kubiak was his offensive coordinator from 2003-05.

Plummer, 32, had a 32-11 regular-season record under Kubiak, going 9-2 in 2003, 10-6 in 2004 and 13-3 in 2005.

Last season, when Mike Heimerdinger returned to Denver to replace Kubiak, Plummer didn't play well and was benched after 11 games. But he was 7-4 as a starter.

In his four seasons with the Broncos, Plummer was 39-15 in the regular season and 1-3 in the playoffs.

When he played for Kubiak, Plummer's touchdown-to-interception ratio was 15-7 in 2003, 27-20 in 2004 and 18-7 in 2005.

That's 60 touchdown passes and 34 interceptions.

Under Kubiak, Plummer had the best passer ratings of his career: 91.2, 84.5 and 90.2."

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People you are failing to realize that Denver had a great o-line, good running backs, and a good defense all of which we are still trying to build. Plummer did nothing special, it was the TEAM around him that made him good. Plummer is not any better than what we already have!

trutxn said:

People you are failing to realize that Denver had a great o-line, good running backs, and a good defense all of which we are still trying to build. Plummer did nothing special, it was the TEAM around him that made him good. Plummer is not any better than what we already have!

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Agreed.

Plummer = Carr, but older with more baggage.

QB75 said:

He's never forgiven the Texans for not drafting Vince Young and ever since it has biased his views on the Texans and Carr.

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can I get an AMEN & a HALLELUJAH!!!


anyone else sick of Macclain's mancrush on VY

TexansSB07 said:

can I get an AMEN & a HALLELUJAH!!!


anyone else sick of Macclain's mancrush on VY

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AMEN & a HALLELUJAH!!!

anyone else sick of Macclain's mancrush on VY: YES!!

trutxn said:

People you are failing to realize that Denver had a great o-line, good running backs, and a good defense all of which we are still trying to build. Plummer did nothing special, it was the TEAM around him that made him good. Plummer is not any better than what we already have!

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Absolutely!


People need to get off of the "get rid of Carr at all costs" train. I want a better player at the QB postion, I just don't aree that their is one out there yet.

TexansSB07 said:

can I get an AMEN & a HALLELUJAH!!!


anyone else sick of Macclain's mancrush on VY

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He and Justice both. They act like a couple of schoolgirls at a Backstreet Boys concert...

Just looking at starters last year I don't think any of them, that were better then Carr are out there to be had. How about Huard, he was awesome, but the Chiefs know his vaue, and he will cost us picks and bucks. Gerrard from Jax, well, that staff has been trying the leftwich experiment for 4 years now so Gerrard is a good safty net, too high of cost. Vick, not enough discipline, Kubiak would never go for someone like that. If you look at the rest of the starting QB's all of them better then Carr are not going anywhere, and those at the same talent level arn't worth the trade. Second stringers to replace Carr, Vick's backup always looked good off the bench from what I saw, Charlie Batch in Pitt ( Batch ! what am I saying never ) Plummer, please, the ONLY good thing about Plummer is we will hear more about how bad the Oline is instead of how bad the QB is. I look at stats, they are part of the game, and our D was worse them our O, and that should be at least the same amount of focus as Carr, sorry but he was better then 15 other starters, one of which went to the SB ( Grossman ) . Cook lost us two games by my count with fumbles, so 8 & 8, let's cut him first, keep Vonta Leech, What about LT, what if Spencer can't come back, Plummer get's hit-it's not his fault-that's what the Carr haters will say, What if Sage gets sacked, broke a finger out for the season, well at least we don't have Carr back there, he missed 3 games in 5 years, please Sage got hurt holding for a kicker. Untill someone posts a name THAT IS BETTER THAN Carr, we need to focus on our biggest problems, Defense and Protection.

TexansSB07 said:

can I get an AMEN & a HALLELUJAH!!!

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Almost the entire state of Texas is upset Vince is not in a Texans uniform, but we cannot change the past. We can pray that after he leads the Titans to a couple Super Bowls that he will feel sorry for us and finish his career as a Texan.

trutxn said:

Almost the entire state of Texas is upset Vince is not in a Texans uniform, but we cannot change the past. We can pray that after he leads the Titans to a couple Super Bowls that he will feel sorry for us and finish his career as a Texan.

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Vince is not going to be feeling sorry for you until 2011 and then he is only going to feel sorry for you when you offer him a 10 year $160 million contract with $60 million gtd.

trutxn said:

Almost the entire state of Texas is upset Vince is not in a Texans uniform, but we cannot change the past. We can pray that after he leads the Titans to a couple Super Bowls that he will feel sorry for us and finish his career as a Texan.

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uh...no. you might want to revise that statement on a couple of fronts.

1-since more of the state is unfortunately brainwashed into rooting for that team in southern oklahoma, you might want to bring that number down a couple 100,000 if you think all these people are hung up on Tenn-10.

2-i am not upset vy isnt in Houston, every one of my friends that are Texans fans arent upset that vy isnt in Houston, and EVERY SINGLE season ticket holder that i know isnt upset that vy isnt here.

3-i doubt vy will see us as a charity case when the team develops the way it should with the new regime calling the shots. if he is rolling with a couple super bowls that everybody has already given him, why would Tennessee let go of him. before you bring up steve mcnair, young will be 27-28 when his contract comes up. mcnair is nearing his mid-30's. if we have the need for a QB and vy is ameniable to talking contract, go for it.if it happens, cool. if not, i wont sweat it.

dirty steve said:

uh...no. you might want to revise that statement on a couple of fronts.

1-since more of the state is unfortunately brainwashed into rooting for that team in southern oklahoma, you might want to bring that number down a couple 100,000 if you think all these people are hung up on Tenn-10.

2-i am not upset vy isnt in Houston, every one of my friends that are Texans fans arent upset that vy isnt in Houston, and EVERY SINGLE season ticket holder that i know isnt upset that vy isnt here.

3-i doubt vy will see us as a charity case when the team develops the way it should with the new regime calling the shots. if he is rolling with a couple super bowls that everybody has already given him, why would Tennessee let go of him. before you bring up steve mcnair, young will be 27-28 when his contract comes up. mcnair is nearing his mid-30's. if we have the need for a QB and vy is ameniable to talking contract, go for it.if it happens, cool. if not, i wont sweat it.

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^^^^^^What Dirty Steve said^^^^^^

trutxn said:

Almost the entire state of Texas is upset Vince is not in a Texans uniform, but we cannot change the past. We can pray that after he leads the Titans to a couple Super Bowls that he will feel sorry for us and finish his career as a Texan.

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I'm upset that Vince isn't a Texan.......

But I'm not stupid enough to think Vince will be the only QB to win a SuperBowl. THere will be plenty enough to go around. Instead of crying over spilled milk, we should focus on rooting for our team.

Vince will win a SuperBowl..... I have no doubt.

The Texans will win a SuperBowl..... I have no doubt.

I really don't want Jake the Mistake in Houston. I just don't think he's much of an upgrade, and the benefits just don't out-weigh the costs. Because I'd always see him as a placeholder until the next guy arrives anyway. Plus, we've always been a pretty clean organization, and I'd hate a less than steller individual like Plummer be the face of our franchise.

My preference is to either go with Carr or Rosenfels, and spend a mid-rounder to develope a QB. It's cheaper, it's more efficient, and I think it's the best bang for the buck. I can't believe Plummer would be that big of an upgrade. And with our Oline and lack of running game, he'd probably blow up and cause the same turnovers Carr would have. Did you see the way Plummer played this year? And this is with a good defense and a running game to boot as well! And I don't buy the fact that it's because he misses Kubiak. He's still running the same damn system, plus the addition of Javon Walker!

SAY NO TO PLUMMER! C'mon Bears, I know you need him much more than we do!