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How could you NOT want this guy on your team?

I'd love to see Peterson on the Texans. But, I'd also like to see him carry the ball in the correct arm with more consistancy.

Who does Peterson remind me of? Eric Dickerson with more power? Herschel Walker with more wiggle? Yeah, he's going to be good.
 
I would love to have AP in our team, but i don't think the Browns will let him go. Troy Smith will be available in 2nd round.

If he does fall, take him no matter what. No questions asked.
 
Yes lets hope. Two years watching the guy go form booboo to booboo or getting stuffed constanlty behind a sub parr line is going to be breath taking.
I can hardly wait.
 
I don't think anyone is totally opposed to taking AP with the 8th pick. Just curious how well he is going to do behind a sub par line unless that is addressed in FA or later in the draft. If we get some decent FA pickups that plug up some holes i wouldn't be opposed to taking him. Of course i think a good S would help this team more. See bob Sanders impact in his return to the colts lineup in the first playoff game and what he did in the superbowl. A FF and a pick.
 
threetoedpete said:
Yes lets hope. Two years watching the guy go form booboo to booboo or getting stuffed constanlty behind a sub parr line is going to be breath taking.
I can hardly wait.
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I have to ask this question.

have you ever actually seen the Texans offensive line play football?

The reason I ask that is because you would probably know that they suffered injuries to both starting tackles and their starting center last season if you had seen them play football.

You would probably know that for most of the season our running backs were a hurt Ron Dayne, an out of sync Samkon Gado (forget about what you learned in training camp come on down and play in this offense instead), a sixth round guy named Wali Lundy, and Chris Taylor on the inactive list again and again. We still averaged over a hundred yards a game.

You might have noticed that over the final 5 weeks of the season the Texans ran the ball very effectively with a healthy Ron Dayne, an active Chris Taylor, and some backup linemen with enough reps to start to be effective.

Pass protection and run blocking are two different things. The Texans can run block and next season they'll do it even better than last year. If you don't want to spend the pick on a RB that's cool but just say it man, no need to go talking about how bad they suck and will suck for the next two years. If they're going to be incapable of running the ball even with Adrian Peterson for two more years then why bother to watch?
 
You going to make me go through my sack of stuff and start searchin' for plays...post injuries, and pre injuries why this o-line doesn't cut it ? Hasn't cut it for six years...under any system ? I remeber a Green Bay game recently....first and ten on our own forty nine...remeber. Got the lead...remeber. You've got at best...a question mark at LT. A grey bearded center whos tires are lets just say...worn, a second year fifth rounder behind him, and a prospect at RT. Have I seen our line play ? In spades for five years..And I'm posting...you go into '07 with all day and what they have currently in house you can pretty much kiss off '07. Now if you're telling me that we're doing this, going to bite the bullet on '07 and take it in the kister again for draft position for '08, ...like we've always done...OK. You're gamble there is that the Hits AP takes in '07 are going to be negilgable. And I just hope you guys are correct. You build a team inside out. Lines first. Skill guys second. Why ? Because the other way does not work. What is it about that that you don't understand ? Hasn't worked in forty years. Hasn't worked for the Texasns in six years...and will not work in '07. Or '08...Or '09. I can stand is long as you can. But sooner or later the lines on this team will have to be addressed....with tallent, not hope.
 
I really think that we are going to miss out on Peterson. It seems to me that the vikes are very likely to trade up for CJ, leaving the browns to take Peterson right before our selection.
 
threetoedpete said:
You going to make me go through my sack of stuff and start searchin' for plays...post injuries, and pre injuries why this o-line doen't cut it ? Hasn't cut it for six years...under any system ? I remeber a Green Bay game recently....first and ten on our own forty nine...remeber. Got the lead...remeber. You've got at best...a question mark at LT. A grey bearded center whos tires are lets just say...worn, a second year fifth rounder behind him, and a prospect at RT. Have I seen our line play ? In spades for five years..And I'm posting...you go into '07 with all day and what they have currently in house you can pretty much kiss off '07. Now if you're telling me that we're doing this, going to bite the bullet on '07 and take it in the kister again for draft position for '08, ...like we've always done...OK. You're gamble there is that the Hits AP takes in '07 are going to be negilgable. And I just hope you guys are correct. You build a team inside out. Lines first. Skill guys second. Why ? Because the other way does not work. What is it about that that you don't understand ? Hasn't worked in forty years. Hasn't worked for the Texasns in six years...and will not work in '07. Or '08...Or '09. I can stand is long as you can. But sooner or later the lines on this team will have to be addressed....with tallent, not hope.
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You do realize that run blocking and pass blocking are different things, right? Despite being close to the worst pass blocking OL in terms of sacks over the past years, our OL hasn't been bad at opening up holes for our backs. I couldn't get before 2003, so here are the stats:

2003: 23rd in yards per game (104)

2004: 12th in yards per game (118)

2005: 15th in yards per game (114)

2006: 21st in yards per game (106)

Imagine how different those numbers would have been if we werent always playing from behind and could run the ball a little more? Imagine how different those numbers would be if we had the same starting OL in all the time? Imagine how different those numbers would be with a top 10 back.

Notice how good they were when DD was our primary back? (04 and 05) Notice the drop offs in 03 and 06 without him? Imagine AD instead of DD? Those 12s and 15s go to 5s and 8s.
 
dgar3752 said:
I really think that we are going to miss out on Peterson. It seems to me that the vikes are very likely to trade up for CJ, leaving the browns to take Peterson right before our selection.
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Agreed leaving the Texans with the choice of moving down or taking the best need tallent available at the pick....just like...no exactly like, Rick Smith said he would do...and further...the texans will have lost absolutly nothing with that secnario.
 
threetoedpete said:
Agreed leaving the Texans with the choice of moving down or taking the best need tallent available at the pick....just like...no exactly like, Rick Smith said he would do...and further...the texans will have lost absolutly nothing with that secnario.
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Except for being a top 10 running team (see above)
:mario:
 
I hate to be pessimistic, but who would we draft if Peterson is not available and we can't trade down? Levi Brown is IMO a huge reach, we can go for Tony Ugoh in the 2nd. But what about the 1st? Reggie Nelson? LaRon Landry?
 
Clash_Fan3605 said:
I hate to be pessimistic, but who would we draft if Peterson is not available and we can't trade down? Levi Brown is IMO a huge reach, we can go for Tony Ugoh in the 2nd. But what about the 1st? Reggie Nelson? LaRon Landry?
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Offense: Levi Brown

Defense: Gaines Adams, Jamaal Anderson, Alan Branch, Amobi Okoye, Laron Landry, Reggie Nelson, Leon Hall.

Those are the ones I'm kind of looking at that we are thinking about in the 1st.
 
Should we really go for a DL that high? We have Mario & Weaver on the ends, leaving Adams & Anderson off the list. Maddox was a beast towards the end of the year, and Payne is solid when he's not injured. Leon Hall can't seem to play against big receivers. We really need a player in the secondary. Dunta & Earl can start with Petey the nickel; Brown has got to go. If we draft a DL, I hoping that guy from Tennessee in the 3rd round. Just a suggestion...
1. Nelson / Landry?
2. Ugoh?
3. DL?
 
gtexan02 said:
You do realize that run blocking and pass blocking are different things, right? Despite being close to the worst pass blocking OL in terms of sacks over the past years, our OL hasn't been bad at opening up holes for our backs. I couldn't get before 2003, so here are the stats:

2003: 23rd in yards per game (104)

2004: 12th in yards per game (118)

2005: 15th in yards per game (114)

2006: 21st in yards per game (106)

Imagine how different those numbers would have been if we werent always playing from behind and could run the ball a little more? Imagine how different those numbers would be if we had the same starting OL in all the time? Imagine how different those numbers would be with a top 10 back.

Notice how good they were when DD was our primary back? (04 and 05) Notice the drop offs in 03 and 06 without him? Imagine AD instead of DD? Those 12s and 15s go to 5s and 8s.
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And that is the problem...OK you are projecting stuff that you have no way of knowing is going to happen in '07. You're saying out of hand...Spencer is coming back at 100%. That Flanagan is going to overcome father time and get through three quaters of the season without getting hurt & that Erick is going to imporve vastlly his pass projtection. And at this point in time there is no way you can know that. You're just making the sexy pick with All Day and hoping for the best....As we've always done for the lineman. Secondly you're saying regaurdless of who is in front of All Day, it isn't going to matter, because the stats told you so. You're jumping on the asumption that all Day is going to pump the play action pass back into this offense. My question to you is how ? They can't block for a three step drop, never mind a five and seven step drop. That somehow this line is going to majically come together because you've drafted a hot RB prospect...I more than don't get...it's stupid. They, the other teams, or going to keep doing to us what they have always done...drop eight and nine in the box on first down and then play a nickle when we're in third and long and bring a blitz. Hell our gaurds / centers have trouble picking up a simple stunt. They don't have to blitz us. The key is not the running back...the key is the GD line. With no play action pass they're dead ducks. Why do we have to do this another sixteen games ? It does not work. All all day does is put validation on it that it doesn't work. You wanna waist two more seasons fine. I can stand it as long as you can. Too much imagining and not enough thinking, that's what has put this club at the bottom of the nfl food chain the last two years. Imagine what babin's could do as the rush 3-4 backer. Wish DC was better under a rush. TJ is going to be tough to stop as a 3 technique dt, I hope Spencer comes back.... Imagine, Wishing, and hoping..Good Grief, I'm sick of it. Bite the bullet get the GD line fixed once and for all.
 
threetoedpete said:
Good Grief, I'm sick of it. Bite the bullet get the GD line fixed once and for all.
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That is a sentiment I can get with. It's ridiculous what this team has done (or not done) with the O-line all these years. Yeah, they run block better than they pass block, but without DD, that's kind of like being the best-behaved kid in detention.

Oh, and few people seem to really give credit where it's due with regards to DD. He didn't have star measurables, but he had excellent vision, good shiftiness, and the ability to make something out of nothing. I wouldn't mind AP in the first, but you still have to give the guy some help if you do get him. This is a bad year for top flight OT talent, which just makes the '05 and '06 drafts sting all the more.
 
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