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Grossman done in Chicago...

Dr. Toro

Rookie
He's not the only reason the Bears lost, but they might win that game with Griese. Grossman alternates between being gunshy and taking undue risks, makes the offense ridiculously predictable, and just turns it over too much. He was probably worse against New Orleans, and I hope now we can put to bed the any QB can win a SB theory.

Not to pile on the kid, but he had no business playing in that game. The stats don't look that bad, but he seldom threatened and pretty much gave the game away in the fourth. He's really done up there... he's a million dollar arm and a wooden-nickel head in my opinion. He's got a club option for 2008, but 2007 will be his last. Just doesn't respond to adversity well and way too erratic.
 
He's not the only reason the Bears lost, but they might win that game with Griese. Grossman alternates between being gunshy and taking undue risks, makes the offense ridiculously predictable, and just turns it over too much. He was probably worse against New Orleans, and I hope now we can put to bed the any QB can win a SB theory.

Not to pile on the kid, but he had no business playing in that game. The stats don't look that bad, but he seldom threatened and pretty much gave the game away in the fourth. He's really done up there... he's a million dollar arm and a wooden-nickel head in my opinion. He's got a club option for 2008, but 2007 will be his last. Just doesn't respond to adversity well and way too erratic.
Does he remind you of anyone else in the NFL? LOL...
 
I really think the game would be have more thrilling if the Saints had gone instead. From the beginning I knew Grossman wouldn't be able to help any. Only time in the game I liked the Bears being there was the opening kickoff. Devin Hester, you are an animal.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
He's not the only reason the Bears lost, but they might win that game with Griese. Grossman alternates between being gunshy and taking undue risks, makes the offense ridiculously predictable, and just turns it over too much. He was probably worse against New Orleans, and I hope now we can put to bed the any QB can win a SB theory.

Not to pile on the kid, but he had no business playing in that game. The stats don't look that bad, but he seldom threatened and pretty much gave the game away in the fourth. He's really done up there... he's a million dollar arm and a wooden-nickel head in my opinion. He's got a club option for 2008, but 2007 will be his last. Just doesn't respond to adversity well and way too erratic.
He fumbled snaps right into his hands and made throws while not being pressured that were just uncalled for. Sounds familiar to people around here.:) He lost it as much as anyone. The plays he made directly led to either scores or having his defense come back on the field after helping out the team. Look at it this way. Manning ont he Bears easily outduels the Colts. Manning on the Colts makes them better by a little bit. The Bears had talent, just not the triggerman.
 

Mr. B

Noob
Totally agree wishing the Saints would have made it to the Superbowl. Sorry they lost but it just wasn't there day what with the weather and sloppy play.

Man what a party that would have been. Don't think the NFL would have ever seen anything like that.

As for Grossman being done. I don't know I think what happened was just trying to make to much happen in the second half and forcing.

Lots of the Blame could go on the couching. They really could have run the ball more instead.

B
 

Dr. Toro

Rookie
The Bears had talent, just not the triggerman.
Absolutely... it's a shame really, tough situation for that whole team and Rex. Lovie was in an impossible situation, but it was pretty clear after that Saints game that they didn't have a snowball's chance with Rex behind center. They were 7 point dogs despite outclassing IND in every phase and position on the field except for QB and WR.

His mechanics are awful (in a way that affects his throws), he seems to lack poise, is smaller than ideal, and makes some horrible decisions. He can throw a nice deep ball though.
 

Dr. Toro

Rookie
Let's not feed the flames. :secret:
Then again, this game could put them in the hunt for a new QB. :stirpot:
They are in the hunt for a new QB... definitely. At this point, I think they'd want a cool veteran who can just manage ballgames... limited upside but little downside. Griese might be that guy... maybe Schaub's their man... definitely not Plummer.
 

TexanSam

Hall of Fame
Maybe they'll make a trade for David Carr thinking he's the answer. Actually...I think Carr would have had a better game than Grossman did today. Grossman has a decent O-line.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
Absolutely... it's a shame really, tough situation for that whole team and Rex. Lovie was in an impossible situation, but it was pretty clear after that Saints game that they didn't have a snowball's chance with Rex behind center. They were 7 point dogs despite outclassing IND in every phase and position on the field except for QB and WR.

His mechanics are awful (in a way that affects his throws), he seems to lack poise, is smaller than ideal, and makes some horrible decisions. He can throw a nice deep ball though.
Well said. That is exactly what I was getting at. The Bears with another QB..just above average..have the advantage in most areas.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
Maybe they'll make a trade for David Carr thinking he's the answer. Actually...I think Carr would have had a better game than Grossman did today. Grossman has a decent O-line.
I'm not sure. Honestly, the plays being made were like watching a Texans film. Forcing throws while stepping up...floating ones to the outside and fumbling snaps.
 

Dr. Toro

Rookie
Surprisingly, that is what a lot of teams tried to do to the Colts this postseason.
Yeah... a bit foolish, Bob Sanders makes a world of difference, like having another MLB in running situations. Mathis, Freeney, and Sanders surrounded by average players makes for a pretty decent D if your O can control the clock.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Grossman did about what i expected for a guy who is just now is finally completing his 1st full season being healthy. He's also still young so.... You guys forget that pretty much all through the 1st half the bears led, but i told everyone i talked to about the game that if "bad" Rex showed up, that was at least a 10 pt. spot in favor of the colts.

I think that their defense which was among the tops in the league also let them down a bit IMO. Partly b/c of coaching (where's the blitzing?) Just sitting back & letting Manning dink all game long instead of forcing him to throw before he wanted to, was a big mistake by the coaching staff. More running could have helped them establish some type of ryhthm on offense & maybe could have kept Manning & co. off the field.


But all in hindsight.......
 

Dr. Toro

Rookie
Grossman did about what i expected for a guy who is just starting his first full season. You guys forget that pretty much all through the 1st half the bears led, but i told everyone i talked to about the game that if "bad" Rex showed up, that was at least a 10 pt. spot in favor of the colts.

I think that their defense which was among the tops in the league also let them down a bit IMO. Partly b/c of coaching (where's the blitzing?) Just sitting back & letting Manning dink all game long instead of forcing him to throw before he wanted to, was a big mistake by the coaching staff. More running could have helped them establish some type of ryhthm on offense & maybe could have kept Manning & co. off the field.


But all in hindsight.......
It's his 4th year in the league, he should have left some of those balls back in Gainesville as a freshman. "Bad Rex" is the Rex against good D's or in close games... 2 TDs and 12 INTs against Minn., Miami, and NE.
 

mexican_texan

Furry Tractors
Grossman > Carr. We've seen that he can be successful, he's had some really good games and his team was always behind him.
 

HoustonFrog

Dallas Frog
Grossman did about what i expected for a guy who is just now is finally completing his 1st full season being healthy. He's also still young so.... You guys forget that pretty much all through the 1st half the bears led, but i told everyone i talked to about the game that if "bad" Rex showed up, that was at least a 10 pt. spot in favor of the colts.

I think that their defense which was among the tops in the league also let them down a bit IMO. Partly b/c of coaching (where's the blitzing?) Just sitting back & letting Manning dink all game long instead of forcing him to throw before he wanted to, was a big mistake by the coaching staff. More running could have helped them establish some type of ryhthm on offense & maybe could have kept Manning & co. off the field.


But all in hindsight.......
I wouldn't call what Chicago's D did bad. They did let him dink but they also had take aways in critical situations and kept their offense within a TD by forcing FGs. What happened after these turnovers and kickoffs were usually turnovers by Rex or three and outs. I don't care what level you play on and how good you are, any D that is on the field that long is going to collapse after some time.

Rex made bad plays no matter his level. Two of those 2nd hald interceptions wrere just forced throws that would have bene picked even if they didn't float.
 

Mr. B

Noob
Jones did pretty decent and the bears just seemed to get away from it to fast.

Many teams tried and some were quite successful at it. They stuck with it and didn't bail so soon. They were in better hands with Jones than Grossman tonight.

B
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
I wouldn't call what Chicago's D did bad. They did let him dink but they also had take aways in critical situations and kept their offense within a TD by forcing FGs. What happened after these turnovers and kickoffs were usually turnovers by Rex or three and outs. I don't care what level you play on and how good you are, any D that is on the field that long is going to collapse after some time.

Rex made bad plays no matter his level. Two of those 2nd hald interceptions wrere just forced throws that would have bene picked even if they didn't float.


Disagree with his 2nd pick, At least i don't think it was forced anyway. & i'm not saying what Chicago's D did was bad, I'm just saying that they didn't play as well as they can play. Yeah they forced turnovers but much of that was due to the conditions. I thought The corners played indy's WR's fairly well & when you've got the LB core & line that Chicago does I just thought that they could have done quite a bit more blitzing to maybe stop the redundant plays Indy was doing on them. You saw Urlacher getting frustrated with the coaching staff b/c they wouldn't adjust.
 

gg no re

iggnorent
I just think that during this postseason, the presence of Bob Sanders was very huge for the Colts run defense.

For the most part though, even if the Bears stuck with Jones for the whole game, all teams need a reliable source of air power when neccessary, and Grossman just couldn't provide it.
 

gg no re

iggnorent
The Colts didn't have it for 30 minutes, that would've meant the Bears got some grinding done on offense.

They had it for 38 minutes.
 

Please_Evolve

Waterboy
I just think that during this postseason, the presence of Bob Sanders was very huge for the Colts run defense.

For the most part though, even if the Bears stuck with Jones for the whole game, all teams need a reliable source of air power when neccessary, and Grossman just couldn't provide it.

Spot on. Exactly what i was thinking about Bob Sanders
 

Silver Oak

All Pro
So if two NFL teams use what some on this message board describe as being horrible qb's, does that not illustrate just how hard it is to find a quality NFL caliber qb?


To those who constantly call for Carr to be traded/let go/etc., be careful what you ask for as what we may get next may not be better, and could quite possibly be worse.
 

aj.

All Pro
To those who constantly call for Carr to be traded/let go/etc., be careful what you ask for as what we may get next may not be better, and could quite possibly be worse.
I was thinking about what could be worse and this is the only thing I could come up with.

 

kastofsna

Hall of Fame
yeah, griese would've really lit it up. just think of all those great games he's had in his career that would make one think that.
 

bah007

Hall of Fame
Did we really learn anything about Grossman and the Bears offense that we didn't already know?

I dont think so. I saw this one comin from a mile away.

The most pathetic thing was that the Bears started near midfield on almost every possession cuz the Colts were kicking short of Hester and they couldnt get any points.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Coming from a Bears fan...

Grossman is ANYTHING but clutch. Lovie is "sticking with him" primarily to build his confidence. Knowing all the while that to bench him in the SB would have been disasterous for his confidence. I think that Grossman was less than 50% to blame for their loss last night. After all...Grossman IS who he has been ALL YEAR LONG...inconsistent!

The Bears D are the PRIMARY ONES that I blame for the loss last night. The games that Grossman has choked, the defense has been there to take up the slack. The defense played well against the Saints...but were "Big Play Dormant" for several weeks (4-5) before that. They were a product of a terribly weak schedule and providing big plays when needed in games that weren't against weak opponents. The coaches got SCARED last night when the Colts burned them with that long pass to Reggie Wayne early in the game. So instead, they decided to give one of the best QBs in the league, as many passes underneath that he wanted. And it cost them. They didn't have any swagger in their walk. They played with ABSOLUTELY NO AGGRESSION after the first quarter whatsoever. When it's raining like it was last night and Peyton Manning's uniform was as clean as it was until the FOURTH QUARTER...you're not gonna win games. The guy was NEVER on his back (w/the exception of the one sack) and was RARELY ever even hurried. I was terribly disappointed last night. My little boy (which is a HUGE Urlacher fan) was almost in tears in the 4th quarter.

The Bears (IMO) lost that game last night because the Defense weren't aggressive and the coaches were scared. Grossman didn't show me anything last night that he hadn't showed me a dozen times throughout the year.

It pains me to say it, but...
The best team won.




If that guy was on our message board i'd give him rep for that. It takes a special type of fan to admit that after losing the biggest football game in the city since 85'. It wasn't that the Defense played bad, they were in it just about all of the game, they just didn't play like themselves defensively. playing the umbrella defense like they did is so far from who they are....... i don't know what Lovie/Rivera were thinking.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Contributor's Club
I don't think Grossman is a great QB. But I don't think his time is over in Chicago.

He's played in 24 games...... he's only 26. He played like a QB in his second or third season. & technically, that's what he is.

He had some outstanding games against teams that were avg to poor, and he stunk it up against good teams....... that's kinda what young QBs do. In Peyton's 4th year he had 4 games with a QB rating of 60 or less(he had a passer rating of 35 in one game)...... & that's after starting for 4 years, where Grossman couldn't even practice for 4 years due to injuries.

The only difference, is that the rest of the Bears are ready to win SuperBowls, where Mannings teams haven't been until recently, so the poor play of RexGrossman is kinda magnified.

I say the Bears keep Rex.... & I bet the Bears are the favorites to win the NFC in 2007.
 
R

real

Guest
I bet the Bears are the favorites to win the NFC in 2007.
I think I'm going to go with the Saints....

They're offense is going to be potent...And I think Sean Peyton does a good job on that defense this off-season...
 

Yankee_In_TX

Dance Lindsay!
The most pathetic thing was that the Bears started near midfield on almost every possession cuz the Colts were kicking short of Hester and they couldnt get any points.
Should have taken a note from the Buckeyes, don't start the big game with a run-back, may end up being some of your only points! Bad karma, lol!
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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I think I'm going to go with the Saints....

They're offense is going to be potent...And I think Sean Peyton does a good job on that defense this off-season...
That is & has been the most volatile division in the NFL since it's inception. One year you're on top, the next year you're on the bottom, for no "real" reason.... Carolina was supposed to be in the SuperBowl this year, the Falcons were supposed to get back to the NFC Championship game Last year, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was supposed to make another run the year before that....

The Saints won't make the play offs in '07, & their won't be a "real" reason for it...... nothing you can put your finger on, they just won't do very well.
 

Dr. Toro

Rookie
T-Kyss, my beef with Grossman is he does one thing well... throwing the deep ball. Everything else is subpar. Everything. Not accurate, not smart, not poised, not a playmaker with his feet, not clutch, uncomfortable throwing intermediate routes, undersized, and he certainly doesn't seem to have the confidence of his teammates. Maybe I'm being hard on him... but I'm talking about the way he looks on the field, not the box score or the final score. He just looks like another big arm.
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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T-Kyss, my beef with Grossman is he does one thing well... throwing the deep ball. Everything else is subpar. Everything. Not accurate, not smart, not poised, not a playmaker with his feet, not clutch, uncomfortable throwing intermediate routes, undersized, and he certainly doesn't seem to have the confidence of his teammates. Maybe I'm being hard on him... but I'm talking about the way he looks on the field, not the box score or the final score. He just looks like another big arm.
I personally don't care who Chicago's QB is...... the only relevance this discussion has with the Texans, is that a lot of folks believe that if we had a team like the Bears, then Carr could win a SuperBowl. My beef with that, is even on a team like the Bears, a loud portion of the fans don't want a guy like Grossman........ which I would believe would hold true for Carr.

Whether you think Carr is better than Grossman, or Grossman is better than Carr, you have to admit there are enough similarities to make the argument.

The biggest difference, IMHO, is that everything you mentioned wrong with Grossman are the things that a young QB is supposed to be working on....... except poise... I don't think he has a problem with poise, he didn't look fluttered to me...... he looked calm and in control.

A few bad throws.... Manning threw a few bad balls....

fumbled the snap.... maybe I just don't know.... but I wasn't aware that was a problem for him.

Grossman is young.. he's only played 24 games....... he's going to get better....


IMHO, I'd be surprised if the Bears panic, and try to find a QB for next season.
 

TwinSisters

Veteran
That is & has been the most volatile division in the NFL since it's inception. One year you're on top, the next year you're on the bottom, for no "real" reason.... Carolina was supposed to be in the SuperBowl this year, the Falcons were supposed to get back to the NFC Championship game Last year, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was supposed to make another run the year before that....

The Saints won't make the play offs in '07, & their won't be a "real" reason for it...... nothing you can put your finger on, they just won't do very well.
Well if it is volatile, I mean really volatile... then the Saints should stay on top and win a Super Bowl, otherwise it is too steady, calm, and predictable.

Also Carr is better than Grossman. Carr is more like a Dilfer that fumbles and gets sacked instead of throwing INTs.

EDIT:

And I looked at all of the losing Super Bowl quarterbacks... Tony Eason and David Woodly both returned to their clubs the next year as the starter, so I wouldn't be surprised if Grossman does too.
 

Texasian

Practice Squad
Listening to Chicago sports radio stations WSCR 670 and WMVP 1000 today. The fans and media are obviously dissapointed with Turnoversaurus Rex. But like in Houston, he has apologists from the same groups as the above mentioned. So they will stick it out (Sounds familiar?). They did commit to him financially and they want him to be a 'bus driver' (Again, sounds familiar?). They say he is young (4 seasons with 24+ games exp.)and he will only get better (Dang, I swear this sounds freakin' familiar?!). Let them learn the hard way!
 

thunderkyss

Just win baby!!!
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Listening to Chicago sports radio stations WSCR 670 and WMVP 1000 today. The fans and media are obviously dissapointed with Turnoversaurus Rex. But like in Houston, he has apologists from the same groups as the above mentioned. So they will stick it out (Sounds familiar?). They did commit to him financially and they want him to be a 'bus driver' (Again, sounds familiar?). They say he is young (4 seasons with 24+ games exp.)and he will only get better (Dang, I swear this sounds freakin' familiar?!). Let them learn the hard way!
The difference, our guy had 60 starts in 4 seasons... he's had his chance.

Like I said, Rex couldn't even practice but 2 weeks last season. Three weeks the year before that, and three weeks the year before that. It's not like he was Phillip Rivers taking some snaps in practice with the first team, like all backups do. or workout with the practice squad, and train with the QB coaches & team trainers.

at this time, in David's career..... this time, in Vince's career..... this time in Cutler's career..... 24 games.... it's like 8 games into his second season... it is too early to call him a bust, and drop him.

unless you are ready to be on the loosing end of a trade. or cut an MVP QB(Brees).
 
You gotta give this kid a break. This was basically his rookie season because he has been hurt so much. I don't think he has even started 20 games in the NFL including this years playoffs. He is going to get better, he just needs to have time to develop and protect the football and he will be fine. Who else is out there? Jeff Garcia? Come on.............
 

Silver Oak

All Pro
But like in Houston, he has apologists from the same groups as the above mentioned.
I classify myself as a realist, not an apoligist.

I still assert it will be more difficult to find the great qb everyone wants (including me). Leave Carr alone, let him play out his contract, and lets build a team from the ground up.
 
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