Levi Brown?

Recently his stock has seemed to have jumped due to a solid performance at the Senior Bowl (I guess). Now alot of mock drafts have us taking him at #8.

Is this guy a LEGIT BONAFIDE STUD left tackle that will anchor our line for the next 10 years? Or is he just the "next best" after Joe Thomas?

I would hate to waste that high of a pick unless the guy would finally SOLVE our LT problem since there will be so much talent (especially defensively) sitting there at #8...


And to me all of this is awash if Adrian Peterson is available, but it looks more and more like Cleveland will take him and then wait to draft Troy Smith as their QB in round 2 or 3...

Thoughts?

he's probably the next best OL. he's not elite IMO. he has pretty good feet, but he's not very consistent with his footwork. if peterson is there, id rather take peterson.

David's Busted Carr said:

Or is he just the "next best" after Joe Thomas?

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Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!

By all accounts, Brown had a disappointing senior season. He may have turned it on for the senior bowl, and potentially the scouting combine and his on campus pro day. But beware of guys who suddenly get a whole lot better when the money is on the line.

Don't get me wrong, there have been many good players who haven't had great college players. And Brown is probably a first round talent. I just have a hard time picking a guy at number 8 who was, by all accounts, barely in the first round after the college season.

I don't think he has a value of $15 million GTD.

I think Staley will be better than Brown despite Brown's good showing at the Senior Bowl.

Staley would be a great addition for a zone-blocking offense. He is a great athlete for an o-lineman.

If we do get Brown, I hope we can trade down and still get him. I'm not sold on him at the #8 spot yet. If he has a very good Combine, then maybe he's worth it at #8. All I know now is that his stock has been rising since the Sr. Bowl, and before that, he was a mid to late 1st round pick. To me he kinda looks like Spencer with a big powerful upper body, but I don't think he has that "nasty" mentality that they said Spencer has. JMHO!

Football's Future said he may be better at RT. Here's a link: http://www.footballsfuture.com/. Just go to Profiles and click on OL and then Levi Brown.

Levi had a mid-season injury that required scoping his knee & doing some reparing, he only missed two games & worked his way back into playing condition getting stronger each week, now he is fully healed and is showing what he can do. He was also limited by a down year overall for a Penn State program that doesn't push the ball down the field by pass but rather the run. his pass protection is under rated because of PSU system & will learn to get set (keep his weight more on the balls of his feet & his butt down) in a more traditional pro system. what he lacks with his footwork he has overcome with strength, long arms & body girth. these raw skills can be improved and will be at the next level.

Is he Ogden ? NO. Is he Pace ? NO. will he catch Tarik Glenn in two seasons as the best OLT in our division...uh huh. The moment we draft him, he will be the best O-lineman this franchise has ever had...that actually made a feild. I can't argue taking Mario over the Brick last season. I can argue taking the OLT over the frachise RB. Rb has a fifty percent bust rate. The running back is a fifty-fifty proposition. The OLT judging from mid ninties to 2002...is an eighty percent lock. The second thing I heard(read) him say after the Senior Bowl was calling out Joe Thomas to come to the combine and compete for the #1 over all OLT. We'll see if JT takes the bait. Anyway reads to me he is a competitor and ready to go to war for someone. I don't know him or his family. But he looks to be a solid citizen and a good face for the franchise. He looks like a Texan. And is going to look damned good in my eyes in that deep steel blue uniform.

threetoedpete said:

Is he Ogden ? NO. Is he Pace ? NO. will he catch Tarik Glenn in two seasons as the pest OLT in our division...uh huh. The moment we draft him, he will be the best O-lineman this franchise has ever had...that actually made a feild. I can't argue taking Mario over the Brick last season. I can argue taking the OLT over the frachise RB. Rb has a fifty percent bust rate. The running back is a fifty-fifty proposition. The OLT judging from mid ninties to 2002...is an eighty percent lock. The second thing I heard(read) him say after the Senior Bowl was calling out Joe Thomas to come to the combine and compete for the #1 over all OLT. We'll see if JT takes the bait. Anyway reads to me he is a competitor and ready to go to war for someone. I don't know him or his family. But he looks to be a solid citizen and a good face for the franchise. He looks like a Texan. And is going to look damned good in my eyes in that deep steel blue uniform.

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good points ttp

ya know what really impressed me about Levi was his presence, of course he's huge, so are a lot of guys, but he comes off as well put together with a quiet confidence, dry wit & intelligence. the big guy is very smart, I've yet to figure out why the offensive lineman are among the smartest football players but they just are. you know exactly what your getting from him- a big, tough, smart tackle that takes pride in his assingments with the skills & size to start LT for the NFL team who drafts him

threetoedpete said:

he catch Tarik Glenn in two seasons as the pest OLT in our division...uh huh. The moment we draft him, he will be the best O-lineman this franchise has ever had...that actually made a feild. I can't argue taking Mario over the Brick last season. I can argue taking the OLT over the frachise RB. Rb has a fifty percent bust rate. The running back is a fifty-fifty proposition. The OLT judging from mid ninties to 2002...is an eighty percent lock.

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Dang 3toedpete, you and Beerlover must be Levi's co-agents ?
But I hope you guys really know what you're talking about, because we certainly need a real OLT for now and for the longer term.
Of course not the first OT taken last year but the second one turned out to
be the best OLineman taken in the Draft. So just because Thomas goes before Levi is no guarantee that the Badger will be better.
But I think there's a bigger bust factor for OLTs than you seem to think.
And if I understand what you said, you favored taking Mario over Dbrick last
year, but you would take a tackle, Thomas or Levi, over this years potential
franchise RB - Adrian Peterson ?

if both were a guaranteed "Franchise player," who would you rather have?

No nunsguy, I'm the guy that's been banging this drum for four years. Some years, there were no legitimate prospect. Other years, we were out of position. Last year, they took a Reggie White/Wiilie Davis prospect. This year there's no excuse. We've waited five years and waisted one good QB prospect. Make an arguement a good RB blue chipper in Dominic Williams. Some say the common theme of DCs demise is his over all lack of ablity. And some say the guy was waisted by lack of draft and free agent suport. I guess it comes down to which way you color your coffee. The sacks speak for themselves. Got the tool and position to heal this five year old wound...my book says you fix that first...this year, then worry about everything else. DC's probably allready a train wecked mess that no one can fix. But...the line needs to be addressed before we bring in the next Judas goat. JMHO. And been that way for four years.

David's Busted Carr said:

Recently his stock has seemed to have jumped due to a solid performance at the Senior Bowl (I guess). Now alot of mock drafts have us taking him at #8.

Is this guy a LEGIT BONAFIDE STUD left tackle that will anchor our line for the next 10 years? Or is he just the "next best" after Joe Thomas?

I would hate to waste that high of a pick unless the guy would finally SOLVE our LT problem since there will be so much talent (especially defensively) sitting there at #8...


And to me all of this is awash if Adrian Peterson is available, but it looks more and more like Cleveland will take him and then wait to draft Troy Smith as their QB in round 2 or 3...

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At this point I'd call him more of a "next best after Joe Thomas". He is definitely a solid player but I am far from convinced that he is a legitimate career LT in the NFL, and I think the coaching staff is really sold on Charles Spencer being our LT, so unless Spencer shows before the draft that he is clearly not going to be healthy then I don't see them using the #8 on Brown. If Joe Thomas somehow fell to us at #8 then I think they would likely go ahead and take him then shuffle Spencer to RT and Winston to RG, but I don't think Brown is that good of a prospect.

MorKnolle said:

At this point I'd call him more of a "next best after Joe Thomas". He is definitely a solid player but I am far from convinced that he is a legitimate career LT in the NFL, and I think the coaching staff is really sold on Charles Spencer being our LT, so unless Spencer shows before the draft that he is clearly not going to be healthy then I don't see them using the #8 on Brown. If Joe Thomas somehow fell to us at #8 then I think they would likely go ahead and take him then shuffle Spencer to RT and Winston to RG, but I don't think Brown is that good of a prospect.

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And that makes you wrong...Nothing more.

before a couple of the best posters shred each other to bits, lets just agree to keep collecting info and revist this topic later, like after the combine

I want to see their short shuttle times, that would give some indication of their foot speed & ability to move in space. also the lifting, how strong is Brown? I know Thomas is a good shotput thrower in track so I know he is strong, also the official measureables like height, weight & reach. wish we could be in on the interviewing sessions, that one I'm confident in Levi.

beerlover said:

before a couple of the best posters shred each other to bits, lets just agree to keep collecting info and revist this topic later, like after the combine

I want to see their short shuttle times, that would give some indication of their foot speed & ability to move in space. also the lifting, how strong is Brown? I know Thomas is a good shotput thrower in track so I know he is strong, also the official measureables like height, weight & reach. wish we could be in on the interviewing sessions, that one I'm confident in Levi.

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It will be interesting to see their times, although I have my doubts that Joe Thomas will work out at the Combine, especially after skipping the Senior Bowl. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him wait until his pro day to work out. I expect both will put up pretty solid workouts, but in the end the deciding factor in most picks will be off of game tape, which is what I'm trying to go off of for now.

threetoedpete said:

And that makes you wrong...Nothing more.

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We'll see.

MorKnolle said:

It will be interesting to see their times, although I have my doubts that Joe Thomas will work out at the Combine, especially after skipping the Senior Bowl. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him wait until his pro day to work out. I expect both will put up pretty solid workouts, but in the end the deciding factor in most picks will be off of game tape, which is what I'm trying to go off of for now.



We'll see.

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I'll be waiting

That beastie would look mighty fine in a deep blue steel uniform is all I know. He'll blow the workouts away. I would sure sleep much better between April and August.

MorKnolle said:

It will be interesting to see their times, although I have my doubts that Joe Thomas will work out at the Combine, especially after skipping the Senior Bowl. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see him wait until his pro day to work out. I expect both will put up pretty solid workouts, but in the end the deciding factor in most picks will be off of game tape, which is what I'm trying to go off of for now.



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I wouldnt be surprised in the least if Quinn or Thomas skips the combine.

Their stock is as high as it is gonna get & Quinn can keep playing the mysterious knee injury that kept him out of the Senior Bowl.

Why risk hurting your stock with a bad performance if a good performance isnt going to help it?

bah007 said:

I wouldnt be surprised in the least if Quinn or Thomas skips the combine.

Their stock is as high as it is gonna get & Quinn can keep playing the mysterious knee injury that kept him out of the Senior Bowl.

Why risk hurting your stock with a bad performance if a good performance isnt going to help it?

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That's likely the thought that most of these guys have when skipping the Combine. My thought (and my advice if any of them for some reason asked my opinion) would be work out at the Combine so if you do have an off day you can work hard and have a good pro day (most tracks at pro days are faster than at the Combine anyways, so people can run faster at their pro day than in Indy) as a backup plan. If you do really well at the Combine, then you can skip your pro day workout other than whatever drills you might not have done real well with (like Mario and others did last year). If you skip the Combine workout and then have a bad day at your pro day then that's the last impression that teams will have of you (like LenDale White last year). I'd prefer to have two chances at putting up a good workout, but for some guys like Joe Thomas that are a lock to be the top guy chosen at their position I can see why they might not want to work out since they have nothing to gain and can only hurt themselves. Brady Quinn may be feeling some heat from JaMarcus Russell and decide to workout, at this point who knows on him.

MorKnolle said:

That's likely the thought that most of these guys have when skipping the Combine. My thought (and my advice if any of them for some reason asked my opinion) would be work out at the Combine so if you do have an off day you can work hard and have a good pro day (most tracks at pro days are faster than at the Combine anyways, so people can run faster at their pro day than in Indy) as a backup plan. If you do really well at the Combine, then you can skip your pro day workout other than whatever drills you might not have done real well with (like Mario and others did last year). If you skip the Combine workout and then have a bad day at your pro day then that's the last impression that teams will have of you (like LenDale White last year). I'd prefer to have two chances at putting up a good workout, but for some guys like Joe Thomas that are a lock to be the top guy chosen at their position I can see why they might not want to work out since they have nothing to gain and can only hurt themselves. Brady Quinn may be feeling some heat from JaMarcus Russell and decide to workout, at this point who knows on him.

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high stakes poker w/millions on the line, these are the type of things that can sway a teams decision one way or the other, if you have nothing to hide, enjoy the game & like to be around the action & impress the coaches, scouts & GM's then by all means participate. But if your being held hostage by your agent/advisors or afraid to hurt established draft status then you can choose to hold out. since this is supposed to be Levi's thread lets see what he says,

01/26/07 - The Browns, along with the rest of the NFL, would have liked a look at Wisconsin left tackle Joe Thomas this week. But the 6-6, 310-pounder pulled out of Saturday's Senior Bowl late last week, a common move for players projected at the top of the NFL draft. Though it's agents who typically steer players away from the game, for some scouts, the desire of a top player not to hurt his draft status by risking exposure raises questions about that player's competitiveness. Some of the players here agree. "It shows a little fear sometimes that maybe you have something to hide," said Penn State tackle Levi Brown. Thomas was of such high interest to the Browns because, as one member of the staff said, they are looking for an "infusion" of offensive linemen in this draft. Thomas is probably the only lineman worthy of consideration with the Browns' first pick, which will be at either No. 3 or No. 4 pending a coin flip with Tampa Bay. - Doug Lesmerises, Cleveland Plain Dealer

I personally think people put too much stock in the combine. With all due respect to Mario Williams, but he "became" our #1 pick last year b/c of his combine performance. Before that he was considered a solid prospect (probably top 10), but not the #1 overall.

I would rather evalutate performance on the field and character. Just b/c one guy can run faster or jump higher than another guy does NOT mean he will perform better on the field...

That is why the majority of BONAFIDE top prospects skip the combine, because their play ON THE FIELD speaks for itself...

All this being said, I hope the Texans don't fall into that trap again with Levi Brown if he does have a great combine workout...

David's Busted Carr said:

I personally think people put too much stock in the combine. With all due respect to Mario Williams, but he "became" our #1 pick last year b/c of his combine performance. Before that he was considered a solid prospect (probably top 10), but not the #1 overall.

I would rather evalutate performance on the field and character. Just b/c one guy can run faster or jump higher than another guy does NOT mean he will perform better on the field...

That is why the majority of BONAFIDE top prospects skip the combine, because their play ON THE FIELD speaks for itself...

All this being said, I hope the Texans don't fall into that trap again with Levi Brown if he does have a great combine workout...

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true enough, I think more emphasis should be placed on what happens on the field, which is why Adrien Petersons stock has seemingly dropped placing him in the Texans range @ #8 because of the hits/injurys he has taken. but if he is now healthy & wants to prove it @ the combine and blows away NFL teams with his measureables don't you think his stock rises back as one of the top 5 picks?

in a prospects case even @ a big program like Penn State its possible to fly under the radar, for various reasons. could be a very limited system & does not have the complex pro-style formations, or poor performance record due to injurys & losses to the NFL the previous year. then what the combine can display is a prospects real time measureables. they will be anaylized in relation to whats available to the other prospects for that position & broken down to either approve or disapprove what they have on tape/game film. this data will help solidify answears to questions like how fast is he really without pads, how quick can he move in space, change directions laterally, stop & go, how does his strength measure up against his peers, his intelligence, how well does he interview & project himself on a public stage, does he have character issues etc. etc. etc.

Just because a player may have had a steller Collegiate career does not mean he translates well or even at the same position in the NFL, true the same can be said for the combine numbers, but what it does is help scouts/NFL teams define the position and upside for a player to make a fit for their teams future

I am SICK of trying to find a LT each year in FA or the draft. I'm OK with drafting someone who MIGHT not be an All Pro, but will be able to play the position for the next 10 years.
If the only player issue solved in this years draft is a dependable long term LT then I will take that just so we don't need to discuss the position in the furture.
Can we PLEASE move on with this team.

just received eval from a real NFL scout of the top tackles since 02 (It sure would have been nice to have this issue long since resolved but it has'nt been). with the exception of players in this years draft the Texans have passed on every single one

Joe Thomas
Robert Gallery
Bryant McKinnie
Jammal Brown
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jordan Gross
Levi Brown
Marcus McNeill
Alex Barron
Kwame Harris
Shawn Andrews

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just received eval from a real NFL scout of the top tackles since 02 (It sure would have been nice to have this issue long since resolved but it has'nt been). with the exception of players in this years draft the Texans have passed on every single one

Joe Thomas
Robert Gallery
Bryant McKinnie
Jammal Brown
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jordan Gross
Levi Brown
Marcus McNeill
Alex Barron
Kwame Harris
Shawn Andrews

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FYI we didn't pass on Gallery, he was drafted #2 in 2004, we had the 10th pick that year.

MorKnolle said:

FYI we didn't pass on Gallery, he was drafted #2 in 2004, we had the 10th pick that year.

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oops chalk one up for Morknolle after all how could we pass on what was never there to pass on to begin with- how did that work for the Raiders anyway, he should have ended up in Cleveland they wanted him badly if I remember correctly.

beerlover said:

just received eval from a real NFL scout of the top tackles since 02 (It sure would have been nice to have this issue long since resolved but it has'nt been). with the exception of players in this years draft the Texans have passed on every single one

Joe Thomas
Robert Gallery
Bryant McKinnie
Jammal Brown
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jordan Gross
Levi Brown
Marcus McNeill
Alex Barron
Kwame Harris
Shawn Andrews

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Shawn Andrews is a Guard, not a Tackle.

bah007 said:

Shawn Andrews is a Guard, not a Tackle.

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should have included this "Shawn Andrews (I personally ranked exclusively as an OG)." consensus @ the time rated him as a RT (probably why he was included on that list).

beerlover said:

just received eval from a real NFL scout of the top tackles since 02 (It sure would have been nice to have this issue long since resolved but it has'nt been). with the exception of players in this years draft the Texans have passed on every single one

Joe Thomas
Robert Gallery
Bryant McKinnie
Jammal Brown
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jordan Gross
Levi Brown
Marcus McNeill
Alex Barron
Kwame Harris
Shawn Andrews

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The other list that belongs next to this, is the list of the fab five we've brought in and didn't make it. Bosselli, Ryan Young, Todd Wade, Seth Wand..and Victor Riley...pretty damn pathetic if you ask me. Am I missing someone ? You can nit pick beerlovers list all you want. But what the lists shows is people don't let productive OTs walk. And further, this organizations lack of attention to the problem is beyond apathetic. Never a pick beyond a fifty pick is damn near criminal. I guess All Day getting beat up behind our current line will thrill some folks though. I don't get it.

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The other list that belongs next to this, is the list of the fab five we've brought in and didn't make it. Bosselli, Ryan Young, Todd Wade, Seth Wand..and Victor Riley...pretty damn pathetic if you ask me. Am I missing someone ? You can nit pick beerlovers list all you want. But what the lists shows is people don't let productive OTs walk. And further, this organizations lack of attention to the problem is beyond apathetic. Never a pick beyond a fifty pick is damn near criminal. I guess All Day getting beat up behind our current line will thrill some folks though. I don't get it.

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excellent points threetoedpete. also brought up the same postional blunders/misfortunes @ LT as you did. asked him specificly to watch Levi @ the combine & report his findings. seems like either I have a total "man crush" "completely off the mark" on his (Levi Brown) draft stock if you listen to others (that I respect) like Morknoll, or just "too focused on need" to be objective. I don't know anymore.

Levi Brown looks like a LT plays like a LT sounds like a LT then he must be a LT

from the Penn State offical bios-

http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=11717

Levi Brown
Tackle
Norfolk, Va.
An offensive line that was the catalyst in Penn State doubling its scoring average and ranking second in the Big Ten in
rushing in 2005 was rebuilt this season around senior All-America tackle Levi Brown, the unit’s lone returning starter. In
the unit where continuity is most critical, several injuries and some ineffective play produced a total of five different
starting lineups, making Brown’s leadership role even more difficult. Even team co-captain Brown could not escape the
injury bug, missing the Northwestern and Minnesota games with a sprained knee. Brown started 45 of the last 48 games
of his career and earned second-team All-America accolades from the Walter Camp Football Foundation and The
Sporting News. He also earned third-team All-America accolades from the Associated Press to go with his AP second
team honors from 2005. Penn State’s best offensive lineman in the past 10 years, the 6-5, 328-pound Brown had started
21 consecutive games before missing the two contests. A two-time All-Big Ten selection, the Norfolk, Va., standout is a
dominating presence. He was instrumental in helping the Nittany Lions rush for a season-high 389 yards against
Youngstown State, their highest total in four years. At Purdue, Brown and the O-Line paved the way for 240 yards on the
ground. The Lions rushed for 212 yards against Temple to record Penn State’s fourth 200-yard rushing game this season.
The former Granby HS standout helped Tony Hunt become just the sixth Nittany Lion to compiled a pair of 1,000 yard
rushing seasons, with eight 100-yard games this fall. Hunt gained 3,320 career yards, second-best in Penn State annals,
and finished the 2006 season with 1,386 yards, sixth-best in school season history. In the Outback Bowl win over
Tennessee, PSU primarily ran to the left side behind Brown, gaining 183 yards on 40 attempts, including 158 yards from
Hunt. Brown and the O-Line did not allow quarterback Anthony Morelli to be sacked by the Vols. A preseason candidate
for the Outland Trophy and Rotary Lombardi Award, Brown’s play on the field does much of his speaking, but he has
become a more vocal leader for the offense this season. He received the Richard Maginnis Memorial Award as the team’s
top offensive lineman. Brown earned his degree in labor and industrial relations in 3 1/2 years, graduating in December
2005. He earned his second degree, in psychology, in December. In the 2007 Senior Bowl, Brown helped the North gain
17 first downs, with 110 yards rushing and 264 yards of total offense in a 27-0 victory.

beerlover said:

just received eval from a real NFL scout of the top tackles since 02 (It sure would have been nice to have this issue long since resolved but it has'nt been). with the exception of players in this years draft the Texans have passed on every single one

Joe Thomas
Robert Gallery
Bryant McKinnie
Jammal Brown
D'Brickashaw Ferguson
Jordan Gross
Levi Brown
Marcus McNeill
Alex Barron
Kwame Harris
Shawn Andrews

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terrible list- levi jones isnt even on it and hes should be no.1 on the 'list'...many of those players arent great ot's

We won't draft levi brown. He doesn't fit our scheme in any shape or form. I think he will be a decent player in another scheme...but if we somehow do draft him, he will be a bust because he will be too immobile to be a run blocker, but he might do well pass protecting.

yourfavoritetexan42 said:

We won't draft levi brown. He doesn't fit our scheme in any shape or form. I think he will be a decent player in another scheme...but if we somehow do draft him, he will be a bust because he will be too immobile to be a run blocker, but he might do well pass protecting.

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Glad you mentioned this. He doesn't seem to meet Kube's
"smaller o linemen with quick feet". Oops, none of our other OL does either. Hey Meloy! you just might have something there. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Meloy has now left the thread. Ladies please feel free to throw underwear. Sorry, long day. I just crack me up sometimes.:bananasplit:

"Has excellent size with a huge frame and long arms...A superb athlete with good quickness for his size...Moves well and has nimble feet...Once he is able to lock on it's over...Slides well and can handle speed off the edge...Strong and able to stun with his initial punch...Solid run blocker who gets a pretty good push...Has 4 years of starting experience versus top competition...Smart, hard working and a leader."

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/levibrown.html

What about that says that he isn't good for our system? From what I have heard about him is that he is a very good athlete and is very mobile. I think I heard on a Penn State game that they also run a form of the zone blocking scheme there. If we could get Brown and Spencer comes back from injury our offensive line would actually be a strength I feel, even if Spencer couldn't come back, Winston was making good strides with the RT position.

I'm finished defending him against the ignorant w/cowpatties for brains

I'm now firmly in the trade down camp, who ever the best available pick is & adding one maybe two extra picks

I am 100% all for this guy. I have him #3 on my big board behind Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. He has everying working for him. He plays the most important position on the football feild and could be a solid franchise player for years. I think he is the right selection for this football them in order to elevate them to the next step. You know we have this discussion every year and I'm tired of it. Lets get a franchise tackle and move on already. No, its not as flashy as a move as selecting a running back or linebacker, but its a solid football move and one we should make.

yourfavoritetexan42 said:

We won't draft levi brown. He doesn't fit our scheme in any shape or form. I think he will be a decent player in another scheme...but if we somehow do draft him, he will be a bust because he will be too immobile to be a run blocker, but he might do well pass protecting.

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Someone disagrees with your assement.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6421386

I found this on youtube.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=igNRxKai1mE&mode=related&search=

Texan_Aggie222 said:

I am 100% all for this guy. I have him #3 on my big board behind Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas. He has everying working for him. He plays the most important position on the football feild and could be a solid franchise player for years. I think he is the right selection for this football them in order to elevate them to the next step. You know we have this discussion every year and I'm tired of it. Lets get a franchise tackle and move on already. No, its not as flashy as a move as selecting a running back or linebacker, but its a solid football move and one we should make.

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agreed: If they fall in love with all Day or they feel Quinn with his knowledge is thier guy, I'll be on board. But sooner or later they will have to adress it. The excuse that "he doesn't fit the system" is the same thing that had us passing on the two pro bowl staters this year, McNeil and Jamall Brown. I mean how prefect does the OLT guy have to be ? And when for goodness sakes, will we ever be in a position to draft the perfect one ? It's just a silly argument. I'm going to be giddy if we pick the guy. I think he's a great pick and will be a bench mark, much like Joe Green was for the Steelers, as the turning point in this franchises history. I can't post it stronger than that. I'm with beerlover at this point though...whatever. I can stand it as long as they can.

beerlover said:

I'm finished defending him against the ignorant w/cowpatties for brains

I'm now firmly in the trade down camp, who ever the best available pick is & adding one maybe two extra picks

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Weird how arguments cycle...Daft Reggie, no trade down and get D'Brick, what about Mario....

Right now I would say that AP is my first choice (more hope then realism that he will be there) with Levi Brown second.

If AP or Alan Branch are not available when we pick, I'm really starting to lean towards Levi.

The more I read about him, the more I like him. 4 year starter at in a top notch football program. Has a great work ethic and seems coachable.

And the prospect of filling that GAPING hole that our franchise has had since inception is so tempting...

And all this "he doesn't fit our scheme" talk is nonsense. The same argument is why we passed on PRO BOWLER Jamaal Brown 2 years ago...

my source just e-mailed to let me know that he is not worried about how well Levi Brown performs/numbers in any drills unless they are significantly worse or better than the other top rated linemen.


from a fans veiwpoint this is a revelation. NFL reveiw game footage, more the better & do not base ratings on performance post season (All Star, combines & workouts). teams just want confirmation, up close look & touch the products before they purchase.

He doens't fit our scheme completely; plus he is a definite reach. If we drafted him around 12-15, I wouldn't be against the pickup.

Out of these 3 players, one will be available. If not, I would love to trade down, but trading down wouldn't be available due to no one really wanting to trade up.:

1. Adrian Peterson
2. Alan Branch
3. Brady Quinn

If not, then Levi Brown, Okoye out of Louisville, or Landry out of LSU. It will be kind of a reach pick and I won't be completely satisfied, but whatever.


In Zone blocking you gotta be able to move well, Tony Ugoh I think fits our scheme a lot better than Levi Brown, and that is a 3rd round pickup.

yourfavoritetexan42 said:

He doens't fit our scheme completely; plus he is a definite reach. If we drafted him around 12-15, I wouldn't be against the pickup.

In Zone blocking you gotta be able to move well, Tony Ugoh I think fits our scheme a lot better than Levi Brown, and that is a 3rd round pickup.

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I understand your concerns, prefrences & veiwpoint.

trust that Levi & his skill set to be a franchise type of LT in this scenero the 8th pick would be a bargain. not many of you know Levi converted from DT in his redshirt freshman year (02) came to Penn State along with Tama Hali (Kansas City). However, the coaching staff decided to shift their redshirt freshman to the offensive line before August camp. He went on to start 12 games at left tackle, performing in 841 plays. so here you have a player relatively new to his position but with more starting expereince @ LT than anyone in the nation. thats special in itself.

regarding zone blocking this is a system taylor made for Levi. this is what turned heads at the Senior Bowl during practices all week, then the game it was clear he stood out heads & shoulders above the rest of the premier talent at his position. he has the speed to handle the edge, the power to handle the bull rush and the technique/mass to be a dominant drive blocker, like for a zone blocking scheme. for a man his size he has unbeleivable nimbleness, good balance & ability to lead runner to the 2nd level.

damn it you made me do it again

If you want a tackle that moves well, Levi Brown is the man to fit your bill. Tony Ugoh moves like my grandma compared to Levi Brown, who has the best feet for a lineman in this draft.

if you pass on brown you'll continue to lose............got to get the OL straight...........Titans totally rebuilt their OL..........now they need just depth.............Miami is just praying you all pass on Brown

Bongo59 said:

if you pass on brown you'll continue to lose............got to get the OL straight...........Titans totally rebuilt their OL..........now they need just depth.............Miami is just praying you all pass on Brown

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IT doesn't hurt to have the most elusive QB in the history of the game(my opinion) to make that OL look good.

But I do like Levi..... & I'm starting to think it would be a steal if he is there at 8.

Oakland, Detroit, Cleveland, Tampa, Arizona, Washington & Minnesota...... I don't see one team that doesn't need a left tackle. & Arizona is letting Leonard Davis go....... if Brown has a good combine, we might not have a shot at him.

threetoedpete said:

agreed: If they fall in love with all Day or they feel Quinn with his knowledge is thier guy, I'll be on board. But sooner or later they will have to adress it. The excuse that "he doesn't fit the system" is the same thing that had us passing on the two pro bowl staters this year, McNeil and Jamall Brown. I mean how prefect does the OLT guy have to be ? And when for goodness sakes, will we ever be in a position to draft the perfect one ? It's just a silly argument. I'm going to be giddy if we pick the guy. I think he's a great pick and will be a bench mark, much like Joe Green was for the Steelers, as the turning point in this franchises history. I can't post it stronger than that. I'm with beerlover at this point though...whatever. I can stand it as long as they can.

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I'm open to Levi myself. After watching him at the probowl, and the little bit of scouring I've done on the net, I can't see Joe Thomas being hands down better than Levi Brown, and I truly believe if he is there at 8, it would be a tremendous value.

All that said, I won't doubt our guys going into the draft. They saw Spencer, & they didn't panic & take Winston too early.

There's nothing wrong with having Levi, Spencer, & Winston on our team(I wonder how Winston would do at Center)... & having that kind of depth would be awesome.

But if we pass on Levi... like I said, I'll give our guys the benefit of the doubt.

thunderkyss said:

I'm open to Levi myself. After watching him at the probowl, and the little bit of scouring I've done on the net, I can't see Joe Thomas being hands down better than Levi Brown, and I truly believe if he is there at 8, it would be a tremendous value.

All that said, I won't doubt our guys going into the draft. They saw Spencer, & they didn't panic & take Winston too early.

There's nothing wrong with having Levi, Spencer, & Winston on our team(I wonder how Winston would do at Center)... & having that kind of depth would be awesome.

But if we pass on Levi... like I said, I'll give our guys the benefit of the doubt.

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I am 100% against ever drafting an offensive lineman in the first round of a draft. In any draft there is, you can get the same quality in the later rounds. Look at this year's draft in the later rounds: Tony Ugoh, Joe Staley, Brandon Frye, Justin Blalock, possibly Arron Sears...All of these guys can end up being just as good as a Top 15 or 20 OL. It's just wasted money when you draft an OL that high. I'm not trying to say guys like D'Brickashaw, Jamaal Brown and Chris Samuels are bad, I'm just saying that I believe it would be wise to concentrate on another area in the 1st round.