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[ESPN]: Houston expected to use "high round" pick on RB.

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not sure how fresh this is to everybody:
from espn/pasquarelli:
Insider info has the Texans still taking an RB "high" even with the presence of all the great RB talent on the roster, and the expected attempt of Domanick Williams to return. If AP is there, you have to take him.
 
dirty steve said:
not sure how fresh this is to everybody:
from espn/pasquarelli:
Houston tailback Domanick Williams is said to be making a good recovery from the knee problem that sidelined him the entire 2006 season, but it's still expected that the Texans will use a high-round draft choice on a runner.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...relli_len&id=2743573&univLogin02=stateChanged
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All the more indication they are keeping Carr.

The talent excuse will be removed and Carr's play will have to stand on it's own.
 
I dont believe it, its an early rumor, thats pretty much it. I see either a quarter back, or another pick to help the defense.
 
Last year, DD said the same thing...has he been working out at the Texans facility, so they can monitor his progress?? I sure hope this does not turn inti another Boselli(sp)!!
 
dirty steve said:
not sure how fresh this is to everybody:
from espn/pasquarelli:
Houston tailback Domanick Williams is said to be making a good recovery from the knee problem that sidelined him the entire 2006 season, but it's still expected that the Texans will use a high-round draft choice on a runner.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...relli_len&id=2743573&univLogin02=stateChanged
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If Williams ever returns, it should be under a renegotiated contract or for another team. $3 million+ is not what we should be paying a broken RB who hasn't played football in a season and a half.

And consider the source: ESPN. They have no idea what the Texans FO will do, especially considering what went down last year.
 
Lets say Dommanick is healthy and we do take AP, should he fall to us, which I wouldnt disagree with... What the hell do we do with all the backs we have. What are the contracts with Dayne, Lundy, Taylor and Gado? Add Dommanick to this. that 6 RBs. How does this play out?
 
dirty steve said:
not sure how fresh this is to everybody:
from espn/pasquarelli:
Houston tailback Domanick Williams is said to be making a good recovery from the knee problem that sidelined him the entire 2006 season, but it's still expected that the Texans will use a high-round draft choice on a runner.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insi...relli_len&id=2743573&univLogin02=stateChanged
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i doubt it. its not like kubiak and rick smith to pursue running backs with early picks, considering that we run the zone blocking...any running back with decent vision can have success in this system. besides, im all in favor of giving chris taylor serious consideration to be the every down back next yr. if they really were intrigued by running backs in the early rounds, then they woulda drafted reggie bush. ill guarantee that the 8th pick wont be on a running back. in fact, i wouldnt be surprised if the texans draft a tailback as early as the 3rd round. kubiak made a committment to getting better on defense when he took mario williams. he is not finished. ill bet anything that the first round pick will be on defense.

hollywood_texan said:
All the more indication they are keeping Carr.

The talent excuse will be removed and Carr's play will have to stand on it's own.
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i would hope not. kubiak wasnt going to tell mcnair straight up that carr was not going to take this team to the superbowl. he gave him a yr to prove his worth, and the fact is this...carr is out-of-tune. the overhead of keeping carr is too much for what your paying. plummer makes sense because of his respect for kubiak and the fact that he had his best pro seasons under kubiak's tutilage.
 
Tale Gator said:
If we have an opportunity to grab Adrian Peterson we better take it or parts of Houston will be in flames.
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IMHO, Bush is 10xs the RB that AP is & WITHOUT the durability issues ... you think the Texans FO is incapable of passing on him too when we have so many other needs? Better keep a fire ext. handy bro.

Toro said:
Believe me, if Peterson falls I CAN'T see the Texans passing on him no matter what.
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See above post & reply ...
 
CoachJim said:
IMHO, Bush is 10xs the RB that AP is & WITHOUT the durability issues ... you think the Texans FO is incapable of passing on him too when we have so many other needs? Better keep a fire ext. handy bro.
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I get what you're saying here, but you have to remember, Bush is the anithesis of what Kubiak looks for in a runner. He likes guys to make one cut and go...and we all know that Bush is incapable of doing that for an entire game.


My indications is that we're going defense, but I could see how Kubiak might want to draft a running back. I just have a hard time believing we'd be doing it with either our 1st or 2nd round picks, it clashes with the philosophy that he's learned from Shanahan.

I guess that I wouldn't be too opposed to drafting a RB 1st as long as we sign a big FA on defense. I think that the D's on the verge and would like to see us shore up a S and LB/CB this offseason who can make an impact. I would like the D-line to become a bit younger at the tackle position (Payne is getting a little old and expensive, for example), and maybe a good compliment to Mario on the opposite end, but other than that, I think that with time it will become the well-oiled machine that we all want.

At least for once, regardless of what we do in the draft and FA, I have a great feeling that we'll come out the other side into next season with a great chance to compete. :shades:
 
Aztequila said:
Lets say Dommanick is healthy and we do take AP, should he fall to us, which I wouldnt disagree with... What the hell do we do with all the backs we have. What are the contracts with Dayne, Lundy, Taylor and Gado? Add Dommanick to this. that 6 RBs. How does this play out?
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Dayne is an UFA, Gado is ERFA. Lundy ($416k) and Taylor ($225) are very cheap. The question is roster spots, not money.

TexanFanInCC said:
i doubt it. its not like kubiak and rick smith to pursue running backs with early picks, considering that we run the zone blocking.
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Why do folks keep saying this? Sure Denver hasn't used a #1 pick but they have used #2's on Tatum Bell and Clinton Portis and just last year Kubiak tried to trade back up into the 1st round to get DeAngelo Williams. Don't be surprised if the 2nd pick is a RB.
 
infantrycak said:
Dayne is an UFA, Gado is ERFA. Lundy ($416k) and Taylor ($225) are very cheap. The question is roster spots, not money.



Why do folks keep saying this? Sure Denver hasn't used a #1 pick but they have used #2's on Tatum Bell and Clinton Portis and just last year Kubiak tried to trade back up into the 1st round to get DeAngelo Williams. Don't be surprised if the 2nd pick is a RB.
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Agree. I don't think I actully have heard a person from Denver's staff ever say this. My thought is that you would having a tough time selling me on the idea that the team's needs, the talent of a Rb and opportunity have messed in the first round where you could make a strong argument that Broncos SHOULD have drafted ___ RB instead whatever player that they did.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Agree. I don't think I actully have heard a person from Denver's staff ever say this. My thought is that you would having a tough time selling me on the idea that the team's needs, the talent of a Rb and opportunity have messed in the first round where you could make a strong argument that Broncos SHOULD have drafted ___ RB instead whatever player that they did.
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The Texans #1 draft pick will be the best defensive cb/safety/dt on the board. There are plenty of running backs out there who could thrive in the Texans system and they will pluck one of them with their #2 pick. I look forward to the Texans picking up a strong cb in free agency and then getting a safety with the #1 pick. Defense wins championships.
 
ASTRODOME2002 said:
The Texans #1 draft pick will be the best defensive cb/safety/dt on the board. There are plenty of running backs out there who could thrive in the Texans system and they will pluck one of them with their #2 pick. I look forward to the Texans picking up a strong cb in free agency and then getting a safety with the #1 pick. Defense wins championships.
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Yes, logic says that your assessment is the BEST scenario for our team.

It's what I hope for. The defense needs another infusion of talent. The TJ draft pick, and the Babin draft pick were completely wasted: Two years worth of first round draft picks on defense that Kubiak is STILL trying to correct.

If our defense was better, I could say there's a 95% chance that we WOULD take AP...would even probably trade up to get him if necessary.

But I think spending the high pick on a RB, knowing Kubiak's preference for RBs later in the draft, is a situation that's not likely to happen.

I would say DT/S/CB and maybe OL as a last resort would be the way our first pick goes down.

Then again, never say "never."

There would be worse things than drafting AP, IMO.
 
RB is not the only position where value can be found late on the first day and in the second day. There are plenty of diamonds in the rough, we just need our personnel and scouting departments to be on top of their game.

We are in a sweet spot this year with the 8th pick in my opinion.
 
Kubiak himslef said that the team needs playmakers.....I think that if Peterson falls to 8...unless somebody offers a trade that they cant refuse, that Peterson will be the pick...Id love to draft defense too and get a good safety, but I dont think they can rely on DD, Lundy, Gado, Taylor for next year....

Also a lot of people say fans will lose it if they select DL again....but thats where there is the most talent early on (Anderson, Adams, Branch) Leon Hall isnt worth a #8 overall....so unless you are going DL or S(Landry or Nelson) Peterson is the best player and best value
 
CoachJim said:
IMHO, Bush is 10xs the RB that AP is & WITHOUT the durability issues
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I couldn't disagree more. When we took Mario instead of Bush, I remember thinking, "I'd rather have AP than Bush anyways." Bush has big play ability and show flashes that he can run between the tackles. With AP, you get speed, power, and in-game endurance (I remember OU came back on TCU a couple of years ago without completing a single second half pass). He is a swiss army knife of a back.
 
I don't know why we are even talking about AP at 8. If he performs up to 70% of his talent at the combine he won't be around there. And if he doesn't perform up to his talent at the combine....its because of some injury issues, thus hopefully pulling us out as well.
 
CoachJim said:
IMHO, Bush is 10xs the RB that AP is & WITHOUT the durability issues ... you think the Texans FO is incapable of passing on him too when we have so many other needs? Better keep a fire ext. handy bro.
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I'm going to partially agree with you.

Bush is a more explosive halfback. He's the type of guy who is capable of taking it to the hole everytime he touches the rock, and his versitility to play HB, WR and KR/PR is not to be ignored. I think he's the type to put up routine 1,400 yard seasons in terms of All Purpose Yards.

However, I truly believe Peterson is the better pure HB of the two. He's never had to share the load at Oklahoma, and from Day 1 when he stepped foot on campus in Norman, he was mature beyond his years. I see him being a Larry Johnson type, who will be able to carry the rock 30 times a game and get you a buck fifty on the ground and will get you 1,500 yards per season.

It all depends on what your tastes are. I think if you're looking for the Earl Campbell type back, who you can build your offense as a running team around, you take AP. Bush, on the other hand, is the type that if your looking for a run and gun, air it out type offense, Bush is your guy.

Also, what durability issues? The guy suffered two freak injuries. Find me one HB in the NFL who hasn't suffered some kind of injury, severe or non severe, and I'll point you in the direction of the practice squad guy who's parked on the furthest depths of the bench.

Look, Frank Gore had durability issues coming out of college. The guy had two blown knees and was one good hit away from having his career turn in to KiJana Carter's quickly. Trust me, that is an injury history to look at, moreso than a collarbone break and an ankle injury. Yet, in spite of this, he's been durable thus far, and the 49ers sure haven't regretted it. I think the same can be said for Peterson, and anyone who selects him. I hope it's Houston.

Also, why is Gary Kubiak's "draft history" being drug in to this? Since when do offensive coordinators have major say on who teams draft?

JAXwithanX said:
I don't know why we are even talking about AP at 8. If he performs up to 70% of his talent at the combine he won't be around there. And if he doesn't perform up to his talent at the combine....its because of some injury issues, thus hopefully pulling us out as well.
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It's not just talent bro. It's about team individual need.

Matt Leinart had a hell of a Combine last year, and had the resume coming out of USC that were as good as any QBs of recent memory. Yet, he fell to 10. Not because he was injured and surely not because he lacked talent. It was because of need.

Just looking at this year's draft, there's really only one team in the top 8 that I think COULD go HB besides Houston, and that's Cleveland who also happens to need a QB. It's very realistic that Peterson could go to Houston at 8, regardless of how good he performs at the Combine.
 
Tale Gator said:
If we have an opportunity to grab Adrian Peterson we better take it or parts of Houston will be in flames.
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No it wouldn't, just you guy. forget about it AP is going to be another eddie george so therefore the texans dont want him go with landry who can play corner or safety:bananasplit: ....holla
 
dirty steve said:
not sure how fresh this is to everybody:
from espn/pasquarelli:
Insider info has the Texans still taking an RB "high" even with the presence of all the great RB talent on the roster, and the expected attempt of Domanick Williams to return. If AP is there, you have to take him.
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Here we go again. :rolleyes: :brickwall Espn is just a bunch of :joker:'s.
 
Untamed Guerillaz said:
...forget about it AP is going to be another eddie george so therefore the texans dont want him...
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Not that I agree with your assessment that Peterson is similar to George, but what would be so bad about drafting a player like Eddie George? He was an outstanding RB who carried his team to a lot of victories.
 
Wow.. If the WORST CASE SCENARIO is him being another Eddie George, that's not such a bad thing, is it?
 
Toro said:
Wow.. If the WORST CASE SCENARIO is him being another Eddie George, that's not such a bad thing, is it?
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Oh my, not ANOTHER Eddie George...how could we possibly put up with that! Just one of the better backs in the NFL for 7 or 8 years. Gosh, we better hope that never happens to this club.
 
ASTRODOME2002 said:
The Texans #1 draft pick will be the best defensive cb/safety/dt on the board. There are plenty of running backs out there who could thrive in the Texans system and they will pluck one of them with their #2 pick. I look forward to the Texans picking up a strong cb in free agency and then getting a safety with the #1 pick. Defense wins championships.
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You don't go into a draft thinking I am going to pick the best at this position available (even if a couple of positions). that is a recipe for drafting the Jason Babins of the world. People need to get over the myth of the late round RBs. The best Rbs in league are primarily first day with most of those being first rounders. Depending on bottom feeders is more often going to get you acceptable or OK production. Those are nice words for mediocore.
 
Lucky said:
Not that I agree with your assessment that Peterson is similar to George, but what would be so bad about drafting a player like Eddie George? He was an outstanding RB who carried his team to a lot of victories.
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I think he meant that since AP looks to be such a good player, the Texans will avoid him at all costs. I disagree with that assessment though since backwards brain Casserly is out of the picture.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
People need to get over the myth of the late round RBs. The best Rbs in league are primarily first day with most of those being first rounders. Depending on bottom feeders is more often going to get you acceptable or OK production. Those are nice words mediocore.
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If we dismiss Vick (since he's not a RB), of the top 29 RB's this year, there are:

14) 1st round picks
8) 2nd round picks
4) 3rd round picks
1) 4th round pick
1) 6th round pick
1) Undrafted player

Even though this is a small 1 year sample, it sure is strong evidence for your argument. Bottom line, if you don't get your RB in the 1st 2 rounds, you might as well forget about it. I've bolded what I consider to be the elite RB's.

1 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 1815 yds (1st) (#5)

2 Larry Johnson KC 1789 yds (1st) (#27)

3 Frank Gore SF 1695 yds (3rd) (#65)

4 Tiki Barber NYG 1662 yds (2nd) (#36)

5 Steven Jackson STL 1528 yds (1st) (#24)

6 Willie Parker PIT 1494 yds (Undrafted)

7 Rudi Johnson CIN 1309 yds (4th) (#100)

8 Brian Westbrook PHI 1217 yds (3rd) (#91)

9 Chester Taylor MIN 1216 yds (6th) (#207)

10 Travis Henry TEN 1211 yds (2nd) (#58)

11 Thomas Jones CHI 1210 yds (1st) (#7)

12 Edgerrin James ARI 1159 yds (1st) (#4)

13 Ladell Betts WAS 1154 yds (2nd) (#56)

14 Fred Taylor JAC 1146 yds (1st) (#9)

15 Warrick Dunn ATL 1140 yds (1st) (#12)

16 Jamal Lewis BAL 1132 yds (1st) (#5)

17 Julius Jones DAL 1084 yds (2nd) (#43)

18 Joseph Addai IND 1081 yds (1st) (#30)

19 Ahman Green GB 1059 yds (3rd) (#76)

20 Deuce McAllister NO 1057 yds (1st) (#23)

21 Michael Vick ATL 1039 yds (not a RB)

22 Tatum Bell DEN 1025 yds (2nd) (#41)

23 Ronnie Brown MIA 1008 yds (1st) (#2)

24 Willis McGahee BUF 990 yds (1st) (#23)

25 Maurice Jones-Drew JAC 941 yds (2nd) (#60)

26 DeShaun Foster CAR 897 yds (2nd) (#34)

27 Shaun Alexander SEA 896 yds (1st) (#19)

28 Corey Dillon NE 812 yds (2nd) (#43)

29 Cadillac Williams TB 798 yds (1st) (#5)

30 Reuben Droughns CLE 758 yds (3rd) (#81)
 
Spled said:
Say what you will about Dayne, he wore out the Indianapolis defense that is going to the Super Bowl.
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After watching the Playoff games, I think we can all agree that the Colts Defense is not the same Defense Dayne tore up. Did you see what they did to LJ? However, the last game against the Pats brought back some of those question.
 
Hottoddie said:
If we dismiss Vick (since he's not a RB), of the top 29 RB's this year, there are:

14) 1st round picks
8) 2nd round picks
4) 3rd round picks
1) 4th round pick
1) 6th round pick
1) Undrafted player

Even though this is a small 1 year sample, it sure is strong evidence for your argument. Bottom line, if you don't get your RB in the 1st 2 rounds, you might as well forget about it. I've bolded what I consider to be the elite RB's.

1 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 1815 yds (1st) (#5)

2 Larry Johnson KC 1789 yds (1st) (#27)

3 Frank Gore SF 1695 yds (3rd) (#65)

4 Tiki Barber NYG 1662 yds (2nd) (#36)

5 Steven Jackson STL 1528 yds (1st) (#24)

6 Willie Parker PIT 1494 yds (Undrafted)

7 Rudi Johnson CIN 1309 yds (4th) (#100)

8 Brian Westbrook PHI 1217 yds (3rd) (#91)

9 Chester Taylor MIN 1216 yds (6th) (#207)

10 Travis Henry TEN 1211 yds (2nd) (#58)

11 Thomas Jones CHI 1210 yds (1st) (#7)

12 Edgerrin James ARI 1159 yds (1st) (#4)

13 Ladell Betts WAS 1154 yds (2nd) (#56)

14 Fred Taylor JAC 1146 yds (1st) (#9)

15 Warrick Dunn ATL 1140 yds (1st) (#12)

16 Jamal Lewis BAL 1132 yds (1st) (#5)

17 Julius Jones DAL 1084 yds (2nd) (#43)

18 Joseph Addai IND 1081 yds (1st) (#30)

19 Ahman Green GB 1059 yds (3rd) (#76)

20 Deuce McAllister NO 1057 yds (1st) (#23)

21 Michael Vick ATL 1039 yds (not a RB)

22 Tatum Bell DEN 1025 yds (2nd) (#41)

23 Ronnie Brown MIA 1008 yds (1st) (#2)

24 Willis McGahee BUF 990 yds (1st) (#23)

25 Maurice Jones-Drew JAC 941 yds (2nd) (#60)

26 DeShaun Foster CAR 897 yds (2nd) (#34)

27 Shaun Alexander SEA 896 yds (1st) (#19)

28 Corey Dillon NE 812 yds (2nd) (#43)

29 Cadillac Williams TB 798 yds (1st) (#5)

30 Reuben Droughns CLE 758 yds (3rd) (#81)
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Thank you for putting numbers behind my theory.
 
instead of ap, i'd rather see the texans take the best cb or saftey on the board. i got sick of seeing the 'd' get beat deep week to week. spend a 2nd rounder on a rb if need be, but please, the pass is killer.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
instead of ap, i'd rather see the texans take the best cb or saftey on the board. i got sick of seeing the 'd' get beat deep week to week. spend a 2nd rounder on a rb if need be, but please, the pass is killer.
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Why can't we spend a 2nd rounder on the secondary? Then that will fix that.
 
tulexan said:
Why can't we spend a 2nd rounder on the secondary? Then that will fix that.
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i just wouldn't mind having that kid out of florida...don't remember his name, but his teammates called him "the eraser". i got to watch a lot of SEC games this year, and i really like watching him play. and boy can hit. i don't know, maybe i'm just saying on passing on AP for the sake of argument. being the fresno state bulldog bum i am, i'd like to see d.wright as a texans rb. he has dayne like size, but actually likes making contact. i think that would be a great pick-up. and just because this looks cool...:marionaner:
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
You don't go into a draft thinking I am going to pick the best at this position available (even if a couple of positions). that is a recipe for drafting the Jason Babins of the world. People need to get over the myth of the late round RBs. The best Rbs in league are primarily first day with most of those being first rounders. Depending on bottom feeders is more often going to get you acceptable or OK production. Those are nice words for mediocore.
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Well said, AT.

People keep talking about the "Denver system", but forget that it has only won one playoff game since Elway retired. And the Super Bowl years had running backs behind one of the best o-lines in the NFL, as well as a HoF QB taking snaps. These factors can make a big difference.
 
Tomlinson, Johnson, Gore, Barber, Jackson.

Top 5 rushers in '06.

3 first rounders, 1 second rounder, and 1 third rounder (first pick in the third). And without the injury concerns, Gore would have gone much higher.
 
edo783 said:
Oh my, not ANOTHER Eddie George...how could we possibly put up with that! Just one of the better backs in the NFL for 7 or 8 years. Gosh, we better hope that never happens to this club.
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No kidding. That was my exact point.. God forbid we pick up a guy who's automatic for 120 yards or more per game.
 
I just think that if Kubiak wanted a star running back right away, he would not have passed on reggie bush. Kubiak wants playmakers...and I think we need them moreso on defense than on offense. Our offense will be fine if our defense could get some takeaways, which they hardly did all season. Personally, i think chris taylor needs to be given an opportunity to start. I dont think the runningback position is the position we need to improve in the most. chris taylor showed promise in the limited time he got last yr. plus, we need to see what kind of a difference having a new QB will make on this team (if that is what happens...us getting a new starting QB). i think that if we are going to be successful, i would start by beefing up this defense and then letting our young guys like taylor and lundy on offense develop. plus, hopefully we will have spencer back.
 
TexanFanInCC said:
I just think that if Kubiak wanted a star running back right away, he would not have passed on reggie bush. Kubiak wants playmakers...and I think we need them moreso on defense than on offense. Our offense will be fine if our defense could get some takeaways, which they hardly did all season. Personally, i think chris taylor needs to be given an opportunity to start. I dont think the runningback position is the position we need to improve in the most. chris taylor showed promise in the limited time he got last yr. plus, we need to see what kind of a difference having a new QB will make on this team (if that is what happens...us getting a new starting QB). i think that if we are going to be successful, i would start by beefing up this defense and then letting our young guys like taylor and lundy on offense develop. plus, hopefully we will have spencer back.
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This team has had one main reason they've lost more games than any other team in its first 5 yrs--scoring points--do whatever you want to do with the defense, but we still have to outscore the other team...in half our 16 games, we avged less than 11pts per game...getting take aways is nice but you still have to have an offense that can score off those take aways...
 
Or, it could be concluded that Kubiak didn't find Bush to be a pure HB, or good fit for the offense he's looking to build, and elected to pass, instead waiting to see if he could get one who did in the later rounds, or this year.
 
TexanFanInCC said:
I just think that if Kubiak wanted a star running back right away, he would not have passed on reggie bush.
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Two reasons that I am going to argue that point:

1. It was thought at the time of the draft that D. Davis (now Williams) would be ready to start the season. Why draft a RB high with DD in tow?

2. While Bush has talent, he is outside the realm of your standard back. Kubiak may have questioned his ability to run between the tackles on a consistent basis.
 
First off, whoever repped me, thanks! I appreciate it.

Now that said, on to my point in posting here..

TheOgre said:
Two reasons that I am going to argue that point:

1. It was thought at the time of the draft that D. Davis (now Williams) would be ready to start the season. Why draft a RB high with DD in tow?

2. While Bush has talent, he is outside the realm of your standard back. Kubiak may have questioned his ability to run between the tackles on a consistent basis.
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All excellent points. Just to add a third to that though, we've already discussed here that the team tried to trade up to get DeAngelo Williams, so as mentioned, for the offense Kubiak is trying to install, Kubiak may have felt that Bush wasn't a good fit.
 
well i personally dont think we will draft peterson. im hoping for akoiye (however you spell it) or reggie nelson. we will have to see come draft day. too long of a wait. i wish they would have the drafts just following the superbowl.
 
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