I know the media opinion is that David Carr has very little trade value, but I think it's pretty clear that he would be an upgrade for the Chicago Bears. Carr is at least an accurate passer on short to most intermediate routes, which Grossman is pretty erratic with. I also think some teams might not really grasp how much Carr sucks. Decent QB rating, offensive line being blamed etc... Carr and some kind of draft pick for Thomas Jones would almost seem doable with Benson coming on so strong. I don't really know if Jones fits the "Denver system" (if Ron Dayne fits it, i figure any back in the league fits it), or how much the Bears really believe in Grossman. I would think they would be one of the teams Smith floats the idea out there to, if we are looking to part ways with Carr.
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the wonger need food
All Pro
Hahaha. Can you imagine David Carr making some of the passes that Grossman made today? He simply can't do it and the rest of the NFL knows it.
Why would the Bears trade for another QB who runs hot or cold at a whim?
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Why would we expect that these sort of ridiculously ignorant ideas will ever stop being introduced?
Napa Auto Parts
Veteran
The bears have no interest in david carr they already have enough back ups in orton and greise
When are the 10 babies here that hold a blanket like Linus, somehow have the ability to get internet access, and a mommy that doesn't supervise their online activities.. stop making crappy threads about David Carr being the problem as their sole obsession?
When is it going to end? How about seeing the big picture, understanding football being this concept called a "team sport" and quit spamming this board with "It's all Carr's fault and we deserve a Super Bowl Ring" whining type of garbage?
When are you 10 posters going to mature enough to see that it is more than Carr? When? You won't. This is why you deserve another year of Carr.
I hope he gets a pay raise and you draft a punter in the 1st round.
When is it going to end? How about seeing the big picture, understanding football being this concept called a "team sport" and quit spamming this board with "It's all Carr's fault and we deserve a Super Bowl Ring" whining type of garbage?
When are you 10 posters going to mature enough to see that it is more than Carr? When? You won't. This is why you deserve another year of Carr.
I hope he gets a pay raise and you draft a punter in the 1st round.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Another boo-hoo for Carr.
No team deserves another year of Carr... well... maybe Detroit.... or Oakland.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
He's been here 39 times ... I guess he does'nt like cold weather or the lake effect snow.
Nope. Or, doesn't like Chicago pizza.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
How can you not like Chicago pizza ? I think its the Cubs .
2BCF
All Pro
It ends when Carr gets booted from Houston, which will be sooner than later.
Carr was our biggest problem. No more excuses.
When Sage stepped in during the Titans game and threw for 3 TDs in just over a QTR of play with the SAME horrible O-line that you Carr apologists cry about, that revealed what we all have known for quite some time...it's time for Davey to go.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
I've had to refrain from posting in this forum lest I express my opinion of the "trade Carr to" or "get QB x from team x" threads.
Carr's not going any where, no one wants him, and we're not going to give up picks or $ for another mediocre QB (except maybe for QB 2).
Coach C.
Veteran
I would think Carr could easily find a team that will grab him, if we let him go. I dont see anyone really putting anything of value out there for him though. Either way I think Carr will be here next year in open competition with Sage and whomever else (rookie or vet) is brought in. Unfortunate for most is that Carr will likely win that competition.
R
real
Guest
I think he will probably win the starting job too....But I don't see him remaining the starter for the duration of the season...
TexansSB07
Waterboy
I watched Bears yesterday, with exception of a few defensive guys, we have better on our offense then they do. Think we trade elsewhere IF WE DO TRADE
old football fan
Waterboy
I think Carr will be our starting QB next season. How long he stays the starting QB will really be up to him.
dirty steve
Veteran
i have a hard time believing we could get anything of value for carr if indy and seattle couldnt get 2nd rounders for james or alexander before their respective free agent years. i think he stays, but with competition--whether that be a free agent like garcia or plummer or a drafted talent like kolb.
R
real
Guest
I'm thinking Carr gets traded...
dirty steve
Veteran
not sure how breaking this is, but 790 AM just reported that trading Carr is a definite option this offseason after their offseason evaluations took place. maybe GM Smith has some chatter started with interested parties.
R
real
Guest
They've announced that on both 790 and 610....
They also said that it has been reported that Bob McNair would not block any trade that Kubiak and Smith liked....and there are some definite rumblings about Carr within the orginization...take that FWIW...
Hulk75
Veteran
dirty steve
Veteran
i'd hope that quells any notion that McNair is stuck on keeping Carr, or at least exploring options, which you absolutely have to do. if Detroit could get a 5th round for Harrington, you'd think we'd have the same chance at a similar deal. i wish Nick Saban was still coaching at Miami.
R
real
Guest
Maybe it's all a smoke screen. Maybe he is indeed intent on keeping Carr, but at the risk of fans turning against him, he throws us a bone saying that a trade is possible after all....
the wonger need food
All Pro
This is very good news if Bob is finally willing to put winning ahead of politics.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Rumors are like smoke . The fact that nobody's come out and snuffed out the rumors is odd .
MorKnolle
All Pro
I hate to contribute to this argument, but Carr threw for 3 TDs in "garbage time" in the 4th quarter against the Colts but many people discounted that to mean nothing, yet Sage putting on a strong performance in the 2nd half of the Titans game against a worse defense meant that he should be the starter. I understand everyone is disappointed in Carr and I am just as disappointed as the next person and expect much better out of him, but I don't see the validity in this particular agrument that I've seen made on here from time to time.
I agree here, I doubt any team is going to give us much of anything in a trade for Carr at this point as he has underachieved from expectations and they would have to pay him over $5 million a year if they trade for him. The only way I see that possibly happening would be if we're offered a conditional draft pick, and I don't think the team will take a $4 million cap hit for an uncertain conditional pick. I also think that many people will end up being disappointed with the QB competition next year. This is a very thin free agency class in terms of QBs and I don't think the team will be trading for anyone significant either, which leaves the draft. I don't see them using a 1st or even 2nd round pick on a QB, and even if they did I don't expect them to look to start that guy from day 1, so it will likely end up coming down to Sage and Carr again and I suspect Carr will win that competition, which will undoubtedly anger a lot of people around here. I don't especially care who is the starting QB for us as long as they give us the best chance possible of winning. On our current team it is my opinion that Carr gives us the best chance, and I just don't know if they are going to be willing or able to bring in someone that is significantly good enough to beat Carr out next year. If they do then it just makes us that much better and I would have no problem with it, but if Carr does indeed win the starting role again I'm going to give him one more chance to prove during the season that he deserves it before I start flaming the coaching staff and front office. I'm not sure they'll get that much patience from most other people though.
Keep in mind that 2beCarrFree send me a neg rep stating my posts suck.
As I've rebounded from a day of alcoholism, quit my job, and maxed out my credit cards on David Carr memorabilia today, I feel better after being able to handle that criticism in private.
Anyway... I have to trust Kubiak to improve the team. One thing that hasn't been discussed is that if Kubiak makes a QB change early next season, he puts himself on the chopping block with a different QB. He can milk another year of his first fist NFL head coaching gig "being patient with Carr" while learning how to become an effective head coach. Kubes has time on his hands.
Now, if Carr sucks throughout next year then Kubes has bought himself valuable time that is afforded him as a new head coach. It makes perfect sense to give lip service about bringing in a Plummer to at least teach David the Kubes system from that perspective. Although Jake isn't the answer, at least Kubes can say he brought in a veteran that understands the offense while knowing it's just a clever ruse.
As I've rebounded from a day of alcoholism, quit my job, and maxed out my credit cards on David Carr memorabilia today, I feel better after being able to handle that criticism in private.
Anyway... I have to trust Kubiak to improve the team. One thing that hasn't been discussed is that if Kubiak makes a QB change early next season, he puts himself on the chopping block with a different QB. He can milk another year of his first fist NFL head coaching gig "being patient with Carr" while learning how to become an effective head coach. Kubes has time on his hands.
Now, if Carr sucks throughout next year then Kubes has bought himself valuable time that is afforded him as a new head coach. It makes perfect sense to give lip service about bringing in a Plummer to at least teach David the Kubes system from that perspective. Although Jake isn't the answer, at least Kubes can say he brought in a veteran that understands the offense while knowing it's just a clever ruse.
MorKnolle
All Pro
I somewhat agree. I don't necessarily think Kubiak views Carr as an excuse to prolong his coaching stint here. Moreso I think that bringing in a new QB means they are effective rebuilding the team and offense rather than continuing with someone that has some experience in the system (albeit a disappointing year). When you start rebuilding like that expectations drop, and in effect you concede the rest of that season to the QB learning process, at this point I think Kubiak wants to win games now and do what is best for this team to win as soon as possible, which generally doesn't involve a rookie starting for you, and with the thin QB free agency class I don't know that they'll find any kind of serious upgrade there either.
This is what I don't get other than hearing Bradlee Van Pelt didn't have any upside. Bradlee was a WAC QB at Colorado State and owned Fresno's teams with just pure physical talent.
He was drafted by the Denver Donkey's and then was on Houston's team. The fact he's gone (am I wrong there?) tells me there are a whole lot of factors we don't ever hear. So for a QB like that to get written off coming from the same conference as Carr, has me wondering what is going on.
I always thought Bradlee was a better college QB than Carr. So, you got me there. Also add in Timmay Chang. Neither of them are in the NFL right?
He was drafted by the Denver Donkey's and then was on Houston's team. The fact he's gone (am I wrong there?) tells me there are a whole lot of factors we don't ever hear. So for a QB like that to get written off coming from the same conference as Carr, has me wondering what is going on.
I always thought Bradlee was a better college QB than Carr. So, you got me there. Also add in Timmay Chang. Neither of them are in the NFL right?
kcwilson
Rookie
From Chicago's perspective, Grossman has been effective for them because he does throw a decent deep ball and his deep passes have really made a difference in those games (maybe its the receivers, but a lot of longer td passes from berian, etc.) Those plays are back breakers and I think really opens up the running game for Chicago as well.
Now grossman makes some dumb decisions, but I bet his success on the long td passes is a great reason why Carr wouldn't do as well there.
Now grossman makes some dumb decisions, but I bet his success on the long td passes is a great reason why Carr wouldn't do as well there.
So does Carr. Why would the Bears want to make a lateral or arguably a backward move? As bad as Grossman has been, he did show life for about a 5 game stretch. Carr hasn't shown any life in 5 years.
I'll stick by my idea of sending Carr to the Houston Copperheads.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Just for refence...unless you got a legit source on something...I'm negitive repping anyone who knows better and puts another one of these pie-in-the sky jackinapes trade thingys up again. Good greif. If you don't know if you have a fresh thought or not...ask someone. If you do get one and you've put one of these up...let it go.
2BCF
All Pro
everyone thinks theres starting QB's everywhere...that every team has one....
who do you want?
Plummer- Couldnt be good enough to hold his job with a team that has a better O-Line, TE's and running game
Sage- Who has been given chances in Miami and was probably looked at by 1 or 2 other teams to be a backup QB. Yea he played good in Tenn but you remember he sucked ass in Dallas. Why not talk about that?
Garcia/Bledose - Yea bring a old guy to this team. Downgrade the O-Line and Running game they had last year and let them run around behind our ****ty line.
Rookie- Yea throw in who? You cant get Russell or Brady.. who? You want to screw up another QB by letting him get sack 78 times a season or 250 for 5 years.
Lets look at Grossman/Mannings/Brady/Hasselback/Leftwich/Brees/Green/Romo ect..
they have better running games and better O-Line. Agree?
I would take Benson, Addai, Jones Jr., Bush, LT,LJ, Barber ect over all of them.
Hell other than the Raider's Oline I would take anyone else. Agree?
I'm not saying Carr is the answer but I would rather have him over the people quote unquote rumors spreading around.
who do you want?
Plummer- Couldnt be good enough to hold his job with a team that has a better O-Line, TE's and running game
Sage- Who has been given chances in Miami and was probably looked at by 1 or 2 other teams to be a backup QB. Yea he played good in Tenn but you remember he sucked ass in Dallas. Why not talk about that?
Garcia/Bledose - Yea bring a old guy to this team. Downgrade the O-Line and Running game they had last year and let them run around behind our ****ty line.
Rookie- Yea throw in who? You cant get Russell or Brady.. who? You want to screw up another QB by letting him get sack 78 times a season or 250 for 5 years.
Lets look at Grossman/Mannings/Brady/Hasselback/Leftwich/Brees/Green/Romo ect..
they have better running games and better O-Line. Agree?
I would take Benson, Addai, Jones Jr., Bush, LT,LJ, Barber ect over all of them.
Hell other than the Raider's Oline I would take anyone else. Agree?
I'm not saying Carr is the answer but I would rather have him over the people quote unquote rumors spreading around.
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
Sage didn't play enough to really compare to Carr but--since you insist--all Sage's measurable #'s were better than David's, including
Comp %
YPA
TD %
INT %
Rating #
Carr
's keep 'raving' about David's completion % and QB rating, but Sage's were higher and possibly could have stayed that way. It's kinda 'ludicrous' to say Sage is not 'starting' material when he's only had 'microscopic' practice and real game playing time compared to Carr--kinda like seconds compared to months--plus has not had all the months of personal 'hands-on' tutoring from Kubiak...gezzzzzzzzzz:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
Comp %
YPA
TD %
INT %
Rating #
Carr
's keep 'raving' about David's completion % and QB rating, but Sage's were higher and possibly could have stayed that way. It's kinda 'ludicrous' to say Sage is not 'starting' material when he's only had 'microscopic' practice and real game playing time compared to Carr--kinda like seconds compared to months--plus has not had all the months of personal 'hands-on' tutoring from Kubiak...gezzzzzzzzzz:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
The point is that we are having to teach our 5 year starter how to take a 3 step drop. After 16 games, he still screws it up. It really can't get much worse than that.
& David can't keep h is job here, with no better option.... Our last three offensive coordinators have focused on keeping David Carr from screwing up. Think about it....... in Carolina, when did Capers ever run as docile an offense as what we've seen in Houston?? Kerry Collins was allowed to put the ball up, and put it up often. He threw a lot of INTs, but Capers never scaled back the Offense the way he did in Houston.
Look at what Sherman did in Greenbay..... did they ever play it conservatively?? & their QB was always throwing INTs, and forcing throws.
Look at Denver...... they've never been a ball control offense.
He looked pretty good in Dallas as well, I don't know what you're talking about. That was the first time you saw the Texans with an empty backfield, and a 5 wide receiver set. Dallas wasn't putting any pressure on David Carr, and he still couldn't get the job done.
You got a problem with old guys?? You'd be lucky to be an old guy yourself one day......... & Jeff Garcia wouldn't be running around back their if his line was all that...... or if his recievers could get open quicker.
Bledsoe?? who in the heck is talking about bringing Bledsoe to Houston??
No one that I know of........ & no where on this board have I seen anyone talk about starting a rookie in '07.
Romo definitely doesn't have a better offensive line.
Eli Manning was able to win a game where he was sacked 9 times.... it was a thrilling come from behind victory.
Leftwich kinda lost his job..... Garrard kinda lost his job..... I'd assume there were protection issues in Jacksonville.
The Saints actually thought OL was going to be a weakness for them this year..... I think Brees is helping his OL, just like Manning & Brady are.
Why go through all that?? Just take their QBs.... with the possible exception of Oakland's.
Been there, done that....... do you understand if the F.O. was honest about what they saw in David Carr through the 2005 season, we could've made an offer on Drew Brees??
texans83
Rookie
I agree with everything you have said. people just need to stop, take a breath, and really compare all the posibilities and then think weather or not it is a good situation or if they think they would be better than Carr.
After stopping and breathing for the past 2.5 seasons............ yes... we would be better off.
AustinJB
Rookie
After comparing all the possibilities, I can honestly say that I would be willing to give just about anyone a chance at this point. Carr has had mulitple opportunities to prove himself and all he has proven is that he is a physically tough and mentally weak QB.
I would be okay w/ just bringing in someone, anyone other than Carr. The better option would be to just let Sage be our starting QB until we can find an upgrade. What is the worst that could happen?
We lose 10 games? We lose 14 games? Oh yeah...I think we've already done that w/ Carr.
Also let me ask this to everyone then... which would give us the best chance for us to win next year if you had to choose one.
Salaam Pitts Flaganing (or Mckinney) Weary Winston
with your choice of Plummer, Garcia, Bledose, Leftwich, Sage or a rookie
or
Spencer Pitts (insert FA or draft) Winston (insert FA or draft)
David Carr?
Which one do you think will give us the best chance to win? This is more of what do you think the cause for the offense struggles last year in the passing game. The first lineup is the O-Line you had for the last 6 games and the second one is fixing the O-Line and having David Carr play.
Salaam Pitts Flaganing (or Mckinney) Weary Winston
with your choice of Plummer, Garcia, Bledose, Leftwich, Sage or a rookie
or
Spencer Pitts (insert FA or draft) Winston (insert FA or draft)
David Carr?
Which one do you think will give us the best chance to win? This is more of what do you think the cause for the offense struggles last year in the passing game. The first lineup is the O-Line you had for the last 6 games and the second one is fixing the O-Line and having David Carr play.
trutexan02
Waterboy
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
exactly my thoughts. i think im going to listen to the bud lite "proposterous trade suggestor" commercial.