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Never been on the Babin bandwagon.
It may not be him, I just still have a sour taste of all the draft picks we gave up to get him. But if I had a choice, I'd obviously go with Peek over Babin.
Anyone think he'll be back next year, or do you WANT him back?
I think he and Mario could be a solid pair of disruptive pass rushers at DE, and I'm still on this guy's bandwagon.
peek over babin any day of the week...i like what peek brings to the table in terms of effort, there was a reason babin was benched when capers was around...
Babin is too slow as an OLB and too much of a liability against the run as a DE.
Peek has the athleticism and fire that you look for but has no discipline and gets injured too much. Neither one should be much more than a decent backup
More wasted picks. Cut your losses and move on....JMO.
Never been on the Babin bandwagon.
It may not be him, I just still have a sour taste of all the draft picks we gave up to get him. But if I had a choice, I'd obviously go with Peek over Babin.
It's not like the Titans haul was that great now that a few years have passed. Starks has shown why he slid in the draft, Laboy, Bo Schobel and Antwan Odom are nothing special either. We could have kept the picks and gotten all those really not so special guys. We could have hung in there and picked up Troupe, but he has been nothing but a dissapointment also. That draft class wasn't overly talented.
It's not like the Titans haul was that great now that a few years have passed. Starks has shown why he slid in the draft, Laboy, Bo Schobel and Antwan Odom are nothing special either. We could have kept the picks and gotten all those really not so special guys. We could have hung in there and picked up Troupe, but he has been nothing but a dissapointment also. That draft class wasn't overly talented.
Babin will probably never be worth what was given up for him, at least on the surface. The Titans didn't end up with as much from the trade as they could have maybe. If Casserly had used those picks, you think we'd be any better off?
Babin's a good player. He's not a marquee player, but he has talent and he produces when given the chance. He did have 6 sacks this year in much more limited time than Weaver or Mario. Even in plays that did not result in a sack, he put pressure on the QB substantially more often than our other pass rushers, again in limited playing time. At the very least, he can be a valuable role player for this team and perhaps a pretty decent DE across from Mario, if given the chance. At any rate, it doesn't make sense to not bring him back, because he does contribute and he does provide valuable depth on the DL. If you can get past the hang-up of the draft picks spent to acquire him, you can objectively evaluate his performance and realize he's a contributor.
I think the Texans will bring Babin back.
He did get to the QB more than onyone else.
Babins stats are better than Marios or Weavers
if you consider he played only about 25% of the time the other two played.
Marios 35 tackles 12 assits 4 1/2 sacks (one of them was a gift) (54 Mil)
Weavers 26 tackles 9 assits 1 sack (about 12 mil)
Babins 19 tackles 7 assits 5 sacks (5.2 Mil)
Who's the better dollar valve.
I'm in between about Babin. He's just never impressed me, even though I've really wanted him to succeed. Although he was our sack leader this season...which doesn't really say all that much...
question is- Babin getting paid 1st rd.
forget about spilled milk, lets put Casserlys blunder behind us. his play is average = a high 3rd pick. restructure his contract to reflect that value or let him become a free agent next year. just don't see him as a keeper but more of a role player @ the right price.
For the price we paid to acquire him, he is not even a starting DE. So far his production has been nothing more then average at best.
It would be better if we were to trade him this off season for second or third round and try to use that pick to fill in other needs.
I don't believe we will sign Peek this off season, he has better athleticism but he has been too much injury prone.
Yep, definitely adds depth to the DE position, but not starter material. I'd keep him just for the fact that he's a proven backup and we all know that depth is important in this league.
I think Babin will be able to get 8-10 sacks next year as our 3rd down pass rush specialist if we can pick up a good dt during the offseason and the d-line isn't gutted by injuries like last season.
question is- Babin getting paid 1st rd.
forget about spilled milk, lets put Casserlys blunder behind us. his play is average = a high 3rd pick. restructure his contract to reflect that value or let him become a free agent next year. just don't see him as a keeper but more of a role player @ the right price.
For the price we paid to acquire him, he is not even a starting DE. So far his production has been nothing more then average at best.
It would be better if we were to trade him this off season for second or third round and try to use that pick to fill in other needs.
I don't believe we will sign Peek this off season, he has better athleticism but he has been too much injury prone.
If Jason Babin gets 8-10 sacks next year, I think it is officially time to declare that we are not of this world anymore! Dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!
I'd settle for 5-6 and call it an incredible success. This pick epitomizes the woeful, ill-advised picks that continue to haunt this franchsise. An absolute disgrace of a pick that has set us back years. Not Jason's fault, but he was a marginal two, probable third rounder who we traded UP for.
question is- Babin getting paid 1st rd.
forget about spilled milk, lets put Casserlys blunder behind us. his play is average = a high 3rd pick. restructure his contract to reflect that value or let him become a free agent next year. just don't see him as a keeper but more of a role player @ the right price.
I agree.
this starter stuff is kinda funny......... Weaver gets first round money, and he wasn't/isn't a first rounder. I don't think he is any more a starter at DE than Babin is. Weaver gets no push from the DE spot............ Babin Does. He actually laid his hands on McNabb....... no one else did. Well, Weaver did fall on him. Babin also got a couple of good hits on Peyton.
his production has gone down quite a bit, but he is seeing less field time. I believe he puts just as much Pressure on the QB as Mario does....... & their numbers show it, even though Babin isn't a starter.
& Babin plays pretty well against the run. He's got a lot of motor........ the only thing I don't like about JB, is that gut. You'd think that would slow him down... just like Gado..... I don't care how fast he is with the gut, he'd be faster without it.
We really need some one like Marriman clone on our DL.
I think one of Casserly's errors is his mental devaluation of lower round draft picks.
He would always talk about the long odds that 3rd round draft picks had in the league. (I can't remember the specific stat he used about how few of them made it in the league).
But in my mind, draft picks are especially dear to a team that did not exist prior to 2002. That maybe a 3rd round draft pick is a long shot for a more established team that has veterans on it who have been in the league longer than the Texans have existed, but that on the Texans lower round draft picks have the opportunity to play a significant part on the team, and have.
Neither here nor there, I suppose. I agree with Mork's take on this.
Bygones.