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Imatexanfan

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IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:
 
TheCD

TheCD

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Russel won't be there when we pick, and I hope we don't take Peterson. Not only would it be a wasted pick considering our running system, we don't need a RB with as many question marks as DW.
 
TexanFan881

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I doubt both of them will be there when we pick, and if we passed on both it wouldn't be the end of the world. I think we should try and build up our defense in the draft, but it would be great to get Russell but he will probably be gone by then.
 
Texian

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In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.
 
The Pencil Neck

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Imatexanfan said:
I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:
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After last year's draft, I trust this group to do a good job. I will be fine with whatever moves they make. At this point, I'm excited and positive about next year. I can't wait to see what we're going to do.
 
Texan Asylum

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I might be thick about this, but I think I'd rather see our pick traded for 2 or 3decent picks...is more possible from where we're picking at?
 
DenverBorn

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I think there are franchise players and then players that if you don't get them, another one comes along next year

I think Vince Young was a franchise player. Mario - well, there are several comparable players in this year's draft. And while I don't feel quite as strongly about it, I think Peterson is a franchise player. Landry, Nelson et al - we can probably get someone in the third round about as good
 
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Dime

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We dont need a RB at this moment.. We have more pressing needs.

Also, Kub was picking last year and we had a good draft.

Have some faith man.
 
LoneStarState

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We need playmakers on both sides of the ball. We do need a running back. This "RB by Committee" thing they had going on in 2006 won't cut it much longer. Not saying we need one in the first round, but they need to get one before the later rounds.
 
thunderkyss

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Texan Asylum said:
I might be thick about this, but I think I'd rather see our pick traded for 2 or 3decent picks...is more possible from where we're picking at?
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Were there any trades at all in the top 10??

I think the first trade was up to the 11th pick.

I honestly wonder how much value is in a top 10 pick nowadays.
 
Andrew6

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ummm just out of curiosity, I thought T. Johnson was doing fairly well untill he had his leg snapped in a season ending injury. Just a thought
 
Texan Asylum

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thunderkyss said:
Were there any trades at all in the top 10??

I think the first trade was up to the 11th pick.

I honestly wonder how much value is in a top 10 pick nowadays.
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As I see it, the value of this type of pick would only be realized by an extremely well balanced team. A team that doesn't require that much in the way of personnel change. It would be an appeal to the kind if team that could afford to lose many picks for one great pick. With that in mind, we could get that type of trade, but it would be picks in the later rounds. Chances of finding a future gem or star is tougher, but what we need right now is balance. IMO
 
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Tayton

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Texian said:
In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.[/QUOTE


True, but how many times did Denver draft in the top 10. With that high a pick we have got to get playmakers. If we are not able to get Thomas we have got to use that pick for someone who is going to make a difference. Peterson, Lynch, Adams, Jarrett, Landry, etc. I'm no draft guru but is there a significant drop off from a lineman who is valued as 25th pick and one who is taken 43rd (our second)? What I'm saying is if we are not going to get the "sure thing" let's wait until the 2nd round.
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vtech9

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I like Adrian Peterson, but I honestly don't think we need him. I have thought all along that with some experience, Chris Taylor would become a hell of a back for us. I still think that. With more experience, I think Taylor and Lundy will become pretty good backs for us, and with Dayne coming back, I think we will have a pretty solid backfield.

Right now, I just think we need to solidify other positions. We need another OT, upgrades at CB, Safety, and OLB. I think we are pretty solid at WR, but we could use another TE. Bruenner is still one of the best blocking TE's in the NFL and is a capable receiver when used, but he is getting near the end of his carreer. Putzier is only a stopgap IMO, so we really need another young solid TE to pair with Daniels.

I still think Carr has all of the physical capabilities to be an outstanding QB, but like I said long ago, he just doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to be a pro QB. I think I am a bit bitter now. I noticed a lot of things in the first year that Carr needed to work on, but when I commented on them, I was continuously slammed by others. After 5 years, Carr still has the same problems, and most of you finally see them. Am I happy about being right? Absolutely not. I sincerely wanted Carr to succeed. I wanted Carr to succeed for a number of reasons. I wanted him to succeed because he was my choice for the Texans #1 pick. More importantly, I wanted him to succeed because he was the QB of the Texans, and if he succeeded, it most likely would mean that the Texans would succeed. He hasn't, and so far, the Texans haven't really either.
 
Double Barrel

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Drafting hindsight is always 20/20. :howdy:

This team has so many needs that we could probably go BPA (best player available). Very few positions are solid locks for 2007.
 
AustinJB

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TheCD said:
Russel won't be there when we pick, and I hope we don't take Peterson. Not only would it be a wasted pick considering our running system, we don't need a RB with as many question marks as DW.
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Would you please kindly explain HOW AP has as many question marks as DW?:stirpot: I'm sorry but anyone who makes a statement like this clearly does not know the facts.

From your statement, you are suggesting that a broken collarbone and a high ankle sprain is equivalent to an arthroscopic left knee surgery (torn meniscus), a left knee medial collateral ligament sprain, bone on bone in the knee, and continuos habitual knee injuries. Ummmm....NO:ok:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/davis_domanick


I'm also curious as to how he would be a wasted pick. Even if (and that's a big IF) DW has a complete recovery, it never hurts to have that much talent in the backfield. If he doesn't recover, you actually think that our running system couldn't use an upgrade?:shades:

While I wouldn't mind taking AP, I would be okay if we didn't as long as we took another playmaker (offense or defense). What I'm trying to say is that I'm not going to jump ship if we don't take him, but to say that it would be a wasted pick and that he has as many question marks as DW just b/c you don't prefer him is absolutely absurd IMO.
 
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t_flare

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No reason to take AP... look at Dayne in the last 4 games.. they system is in place... better lineman = better Running game.. you dont need a superstar RB or QB to win a superbowl.. you need talent everywhere and little holes.

Colts have great RB play, WR play , O-Line play, QB play and DE play.. but terrible undersize lineman and average secondary will make them not ever win a superbowl.

Yet you look at the SuperBowl teams (winner and losers) they have no holes.. they have good defense and good offense.
 
TexanSam

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t_flare said:
No reason to take AP... look at Dayne in the last 4 games.. they system is in place... better lineman = better Running game.. you dont need a superstar RB or QB to win a superbowl.. you need talent everywhere and little holes.

Colts have great RB play, WR play , O-Line play, QB play and DE play.. but terrible undersize lineman and average secondary will make them not ever win a superbowl.

Yet you look at the SuperBowl teams (winner and losers) they have no holes.. they have good defense and good offense.
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I disagree about Dayne. He had the best 4 games of his career. He's been in the league 7 years. He would have shown that he could be a quality back in that time. He's nothing more than a backup. Chris Taylor had a good game against a bad Browns defense. If he's the starter next year, I'm not going to trust our running game to get anything going. Lundy is nothing more than a backup too. Same with Gado. We need a running back.
 
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newport texan

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Romo had 4 good games too...

I would love for Dayne to pan out but there is NO WAY the Texans should be content with their running back stable. I think you have to take AP if he is there at 8 (which he almost surely wont be)
 
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Luv Ya Blue 2007

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AP has shown that he is going to be a quality player. I don't believe he's going to be any more of an injury prone player than m. Westbrook which is listed as probable every week. Running backs are gonna get hurt ie. Marshall Faulk, Edge, Bo Jackson, S Alexander, C. Portis, R. Brown, R. Johnson and the list goes on and on every year. The fact is that these guys take punishment and injuries are gonna happen. By the way, how is a high ankle sprain injury prone? I call that football, along with a broken collar bone.
 
Bronco Texan

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I wouldn't mind trading out and then going OL and defense the rest of the way. I would love if we made a huge push for Michael Turner from San Diego. He averages 6ypc for his career. All he does is get big run aftet big run. He is a FA and it is time he got out from LT shadow and carried a team. This guy will be a number 1 running back for some team next year. Trust me you will here his name along the lines with LT and LJ. This guy is a monster and will do wonders in our system.
 
thunderkyss

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Tayton said:
Texian said:
In Kubiak's tenure with Denver, history shows the Broncos never took a RB in the 1st RD.[/QUOTE


True, but how many times did Denver draft in the top 10. With that high a pick we have got to get playmakers. If we are not able to get Thomas we have got to use that pick for someone who is going to make a difference. Peterson, Lynch, Adams, Jarrett, Landry, etc. I'm no draft guru but is there a significant drop off from a lineman who is valued as 25th pick and one who is taken 43rd (our second)? What I'm saying is if we are not going to get the "sure thing" let's wait until the 2nd round.
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Look at Clinton Portis, and Tatum Bell.........

they didn't care about losing Portis with Anderson on the Roster. They didn't care about losing Anderson with Dayne on the Roster....... these guys weren't offered anything to stay... they just didn't care. In Portis' case, they just kept putting him off, and putting him off, refusing to work out a deal, because they knew he wanted big money, and they didn't care to pay it.

Same thing is happening with Tatum Bell this year. Rumor has it he won't be a Bronco much longer.
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Please_Evolve

Please_Evolve

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Imatexanfan said:
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:
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I doubt either is there but you'd prolly cry if we didn't take the sexy pick. Lame.

If either does fall i wonder if we'd trade back and move back and pick a safety or good Oline prospect like Gaither. I really like how the 8 spot is shaping up before us because i think if a good player falls we are ina good position to trade back to a mid round spot and get more picks which this teams needs more then anything right now. I'd really like to see us adresss oline hardcore this year. Look if we got a good solid young like that's worth all the big name hype. Ask the Cowboys in the nineties. They'll make stars out of whomever is QBing or RB long as they are competant.

I don't think we'll go too much after a big name free agent either myself. Especially if we make a move with Carr. Prolly expect us to go after Adalius Thomas(we seem to like Raven's defensive players) Forget Asante Samuels and Nate Clemens. Price tag. I'd expect someone solid enough to go across from Dunta kinda like Dallas did with Terrance Newman. I like the Greg Lewis Idea if we wantto go that route if he leaves Philly. We need Veteran leaders who know how to win. Oh yeah and make a run at Terdell Sands from Oakland gets good push up the middle.
 
wolfscar

wolfscar

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newport texan said:
Romo had 4 good games too...

I would love for Dayne to pan out but there is NO WAY the Texans should be content with their running back stable. I think you have to take AP if he is there at 8 (which he almost surely wont be)
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I think you're right that the Texans shouldn't be 100% happy with their RB stable, but looking at the team as a whole we have many holes to fill that are much more significant. Unless you're centering your play around a devastating running attack, it's more important to run often and don't spill the football than it is to break amazing running plays. Dayne is starting to look like a quality 3rd down / 2nd half back, Taylor has flashed genuine speed and both Gado and Lundy proved to be serviceable, so I'd be surprised if we bring in new RB talent this offseason. Our management are crafting a defense oriented team - I fully expect them to draft Defense in round 1 this year. Maybe even 1 and 2, depending on how certain other things pan out.

Once the gaps are filled and we have a solid team as a whole, that's when we start looking to bring in a franchise back. :twocents:
 
dbspi

dbspi

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Adrian Peterson = Eric Dickerson

Any time you have a chance to draft Eric Dickerson type running back you don't mess around. You pick them up as soon as he becomes available regardless of what your team needs may be.

The previous administration have done such a good job the first three years that it will require one more season to clean up their act. I don't expect Texans to make the play off next season with or without the free agency but they should be better then what they were this year.

All our running backs are average at best and with good ball club back up at best. What we need is a work horse like AD who you can hand off the ball 35 - 40 times a game and let him carry the team on his back similar to what he did at Oklahoma. Obviously David Carr is not capable of carrying the team on his back to the victory so let AD do it. Who knows maybe he will help Carr elongate his future in the NFL as well.

We need a running back who is capable of running for 1800 - 1900 yards a season and score 15 - 20 touch down a season. AD will do that for us. He will help us control the time of possession and move the chain similar to what Earl Campbell did for us during LUV YA BLUE DAYS. He will also provide time for the management to bring in the players they need to succeed on a long term basis and yes don't forget he will help bring the fans back to the stand.

I see allot of hope with AD on the team. He is by far the best running back coming from college since LT.

Other side note:

Broncos don't draft running back in first round but look at their OL and see how good they are and look at us. It will take minimum 3-4 years for our OL to become any where as close to the Broncos. Once our OL becomes that good then we can say we will not draft RB in round 1 but till then we can't say that.
 
dbspi

dbspi

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wolfscar said:
I think you're right that the Texans shouldn't be 100% happy with their RB stable, but looking at the team as a whole we have many holes to fill that are much more significant. Unless you're centering your play around a devastating running attack, it's more important to run often and don't spill the football than it is to break amazing running plays. Dayne is starting to look like a quality 3rd down / 2nd half back, Taylor has flashed genuine speed and both Gado and Lundy proved to be serviceable, so I'd be surprised if we bring in new RB talent this offseason. Our management are crafting a defense oriented team - I fully expect them to draft Defense in round 1 this year. Maybe even 1 and 2, depending on how certain other things pan out.

Once the gaps are filled and we have a solid team as a whole, that's when we start looking to bring in a franchise back. :twocents:
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This is one of the main reason you draft Adrian Peterson who is proven work horse and he is capable of carrying the team on his back, help move the chain more consistently, score touch down, help control time of possession for you, and yes he will also put fans back on the stand for you as well. These are some of things David Carr is not capable of doing.

All the running back who we do have are serviceable at best, we need better running game. Eric Dickerson type running back doesn't come out every year. He is true franchise running back who is truly very special ball player. You draft such player regardless of your team needs. I believe he will be available at number 8 so you take him. Spend the rest of your draft picks on defense.
 
Scooter

Scooter

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tulexan said:
The Texans tried to trade back into the first round last year to draft a running back.


Myth busted.
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message board speculation. i missed the kubiak quote where this was top priority or even a consideration ... and since we drafted defense with the upcoming pick (with lendale white & jones-drew still high on the board) i'm labeling this as false. in kubiak's tenure as a coach, his staff has never taken a quarterback or runningback in the first round. the only WR taken in the first is lelie ... not exactly a great reason to try that again. offensive "skill" positions arent very high on kubiak's radar. if passing on reggie "greatest player ever" bush or vince "walks on water" young didnt make that obvious, i dont know what will.

edit: i'm not saying it cant happen, because look at shanahan. kubiak leaves and he trades up for cutler. kubiak might feel he's in a similar situation and needs more talent to compensate for a gap in coaching. i'm just saying it's highly unlikely based on his history.
 
Scooter

Scooter

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dbspi said:
Adrian Peterson = Eric Dickerson

Any time you have a chance to draft Eric Dickerson type running back you don't mess around. You pick them up as soon as he becomes available regardless of what your team needs may be.
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poor arguement considering we got hall of famer bruce mathews from that draft with the 9th overall pick.

edit: just as a fun fact ... eric dickerson went to 6 probowls, mathews went to 14, along with being arguably the best offensive lineman in NFL history.
 
dirty steve

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thunderkyss said:
Tayton said:
Look at Clinton Portis, and Tatum Bell.........

they didn't care about losing Portis with Anderson on the Roster. They didn't care about losing Anderson with Dayne on the Roster....... these guys weren't offered anything to stay... they just didn't care. In Portis' case, they just kept putting him off, and putting him off, refusing to work out a deal, because they knew he wanted big money, and they didn't care to pay it.

Same thing is happening with Tatum Bell this year. Rumor has it he won't be a Bronco much longer.
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yeah...he was still on his rookie contract. i can't argue with a team not wanting to rip up a deal based on that alone. look how well the davis/williams extension has worked out for us. i'd take the denver side of the deal anyway. champ bailey is a unanimous all-pro this year and portis barely played in 8 games.

the broncos problems with tatum bell arent with the money he isnt likely to get down the road in FA, it's his injury and problems with holding onto the ball.
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El Tejano

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I see it as #8 being the spot people will want to trade with when certain players fall to that spot. We trade to say #12 or so (out of top 10), pick up an extra 2nd. That gives us more pics.
 
JAXwithanX

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Imatexanfan said:
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:
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For some reason when i read the words Hear Me Out i'm expecting to next read an explanation that defends something that was just mentioned.

Please explain further how the the drafting of a CB and DT and how other players hehind them have been more successful so far is supposed to explain why we should draft the QB Russell or the RB Peterson. Wouldn't talking about those players skills and why they are 'can't miss' make more sense. Cause by this reasoning next year I could proclaim we need to draft McFadden....because we drafted Russell last year and Laron Landry picked up Def. ROY. at th 10th pick. I mean when comparing players you passed on in the draft....at least compare ones playing the same position. In other words....that reasoning is horrible. Its not like we were blowing top 3 picks here....they were middle round prospects that you can't be sure about (not that you can really be sure about more than about 1 or 2 players every year anyway).
 
DayneBum

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TexanSam said:
I disagree about Dayne. He had the best 4 games of his career. He's been in the league 7 years. He would have shown that he could be a quality back in that time. He's nothing more than a backup. Chris Taylor had a good game against a bad Browns defense. If he's the starter next year, I'm not going to trust our running game to get anything going. Lundy is nothing more than a backup too. Same with Gado. We need a running back.
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he's had more than just 4 great games in his career. he had 4 great games this past season. It's not like Dayne has been to 10 different teams in his career. he was with the G-men for 5yrs and carried the ball about 3-4 times a game every 3-4 series. Now, that!!!! is not how u use Ron Dayne. He's not that type of rb. When the G-men did give him the majority of the carries, As a matter of fact they were forced to b/c Tiki was injured/inactive for 3 games during Dayne's tenure in NYG. His stats look like this.........58car. 337yrds. 3tds. 5.3 avg......So even in NYG he would've been great, they just misused him in every possibvle way. so he has shown even in NYC that he can be a quilyt back, if u just FEED HIM THE DAMN BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats how he was used in college. Thats how he won the heisman trophy. thats how he still holds the nccaa rushing title till this very day. So all u guys/gals get ur tickets now b/c the train is gonna run wild next year.......

.And, yes i agree that the Texans could use a rb. But not in the 1st rd let alone Adrian peterson, that would b a slap in the face to Dayne, who's done nothing but ask for an opportunity. And i beleive Kubes believes that he can get the job done. i' mean he was getting ready to blow up in Denver, but an injury slowed him down.,................ALL ABOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Maddict5

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Imatexanfan said:
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:
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well...that was a dumb post.:tease:

obviously if the texans had a chrystal ball they would take the elite players...but its not that asy is it?

i just hope we dont screw up our 7th rounder this year by not taking <insert name of this years marques colston>:)
 
ubecool454

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TexanFan881 said:
I doubt both of them will be there when we pick, and if we passed on both it wouldn't be the end of the world. I think we should try and build up our defense in the draft, but it would be great to get Russell but he will probably be gone by then.
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Good idea building the defense..I think we should take jamaal anderson DE from arkansas..you just can;t go wrong with SEC players..lol
 
TexanFanInCC

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it wouldnt bother me if we didnt draft a running back. im all for giving chris taylor more reps. it was highly effective. if it aint broke, why fix it?
 
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I agree with the poster of the thread... if adrian peterson were to somehow fall to 8, we gotta take him. he's the best player available, and the eric dickerson comparisons are fair.
 
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...but if the texans pass on him, i'll still have faith in whatever they do, really.
 
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Buckle

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well to be fair when we drafted Dunta we were playing 3-4 which Tommie Harris would not be a good fit for, the TJ pick I completely agree with you on though, I would much rather have had gotten Jamal Brown or Derrick Johnson than ending up with TJ and Winston, but thats just my 2 cents, and hindsight is 20-20. I still haven't given up on TJ yet and hope that he makes a big impact next season with Maddox next to him (I think Maddox's play has pretty much solidified a rotation next season at DT). My hope for the offseason is that we make some quality FA signings and I feel that we are going to have another strong draft this year!
 
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Imatexanfan said:
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:
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Well i dont agree with your post assesment and for reasons i dont really feel like typing but i do wanna point out TJ got hurt not replaced by mario, mario plays DE while TJ plays DT
 
eriadoc

eriadoc

Texan-American
Imatexanfan said:
IF they don't draft Adrian Peterson or Jemarcus Russell in this years draft if he comes out.:tease:

Hear me out.

In 2004 the Texans drafted Dunta Robinson, now I know he's a solid corner, but he's not all pro or pro bowl material.....at least not yet.

The Texans passed up on Tommie Harris that year, who imho is one of the best interior defensive lineman in the league right now. He's a two time pro bowler. All pro, and Like I said a beast on the defensive line. Someone that could have took a lot of pressure off of Mario Williams this year:ok: .

In the 2005 draft the Texans decided to trade down with the Saints and take a defensive player ie (Travis Johnson) who I guess has fell of the radar with most Texans fans and eventually was replaced when they took Mario Williams this year. What everyone failed to realize is that the Saints who drafted an OT, who I thought the Texans needed some depth at. The Saints drafted Jammal Brown, who made the all pro team for the first time this year, and also a pro bowler. He has made his place in the elite tackles of the league in only his 2nd year.

Now I hope the Texans can learn from there mistakes and draft Peterson/Russell He's a franchise back and as for QB in Russell, and will make an impact at the next level. With Kubiak there to coach both they will shine. He's had success with rb in the past, and theres no reason he can't have success with Peterson

I just hope the Texans don't screw up another draft and leave this franchise to pick up the pieces at the bottom of the AFC South. :shades:
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Robinson is a fine corner and could well be a top-10 corner if he had a little help around him. He has good recovery speed, very fluid hips, and he's a good tackler at CB. If you put Dunta Robinson on the Bears, I'm sure he'd have made a Pro Bowl or two by now. If you put Tommie Harris on the Texans, I doubt the same could be said. It's not to say that Harris is not a good player - he is. Just don't read too much into the whole Pro Bowl thing. I agree with you on Travis Johnson, but he's not shown that he could be especially effective when surrounded by better players. He's shown a questionable work ethic and attitude, and hasn't even progressed to be as good as Seth Payne has been on this defense, with the same players surrounding him.
 
tulexan

tulexan

Hall of Fame
TexanFanInCC said:
it wouldnt bother me if we didnt draft a running back. im all for giving chris taylor more reps. it was highly effective. if it aint broke, why fix it?
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He had 28 carries for 123 yards this season. Was it solid? I guess, but I wouldn't pass up an elite running back because we have a guy who looked good against two of the worst run defenses in the league. It would be one thing if he had 100 or 150 carries for 500 or 600 yards, but he didn't.
 
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