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Is it me or is there anyone else not in love with any of the QB's coming out?

Texas_Thrill

Texas_Thrill

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I'm sorry guys I just can't see a fix for our QB problem in this draft.

Brady Quinn to me looks overrated even if he was coached by Weis.

Troy Smith is still MAYBE 6' tall and his mechanics are a bit sketchy though they can be fixed. He showed up in the 1st HALF of the michigan game and then disappeared.

Jamarcus Russell is nice but no consistency which is what we already have in my opinion.

Then there is Kolb whom I just am not blown away by even for a middle round pick.

I want to have a QB that MOVES me. He after all is the LEADER of the team.
 
Well the good news is the weak QB class should raise Carr's stock after the season when we trade him. I'd be happy with a 3rd or 4th rounder for Carr.
 
I am not real thrilled with any of the QBs coming out. I tend to think Carr will still be here next year largely because of the relatively weak QB class this year, I don't see us forcing a pick and drafting a QB higher than he deserves just for the sake of getting one and moving David Carr.
 
jerek said:
I am not real thrilled with any of the QBs coming out. I tend to think Carr will still be here next year largely because of the relatively weak QB class this year, I don't see us forcing a pick and drafting a QB higher than he deserves just for the sake of getting one and moving David Carr.
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Signed,

Jay Cutler
 
I'm not really excited by any of the QB's if we were gonig to expect them to play next year.

I do however think that Russell, Bohm, and Colt B. will all be very good QB's if allowed to sit a year or two.
 
This year's class is no where near the '06 class. Brady Quinn is the no.1 prospect at that position but there are question regarding him. He's played behind a shaky o-line and has been beaten up a lot. He's a good player but I don't see him better than Matt Leinart, VY or even Jay Cutler. I don't see the Texans drafting a qb with their no.1 pick but they may pick up someone later in the draft. I think the Texans will go the FA route with the qb situation and bring in some real competition at the position.
 
You are not alone my friend. No one is this draft class get's me all google eyed to try and grab. There is NOT a Carr replacement to be hand in this class...
 
2008 & 2009 will be very elite QB class. I think it will serve us best to wait year or two to draft QB. In the mean time let Sage play next year and go into camp with open competition.

Brady Quinn reminds me of Carr.
 
I would love to draft Quinn or Russell, but i have feeling we wont go qb in the first...i wouldnt be surprised if we take a Drew Stanton in the 3rd....
 
kolb, russell, or smith

those are the QB's i like and would be happy with
unless we get a QB this offseason

maybe we can wait for colt mccoy, or that big QB from kansas state

but also willie tuitama looks good at times, but is in consistent
 
I wouldn't mind drafting Colt Brennan or Kevin Kolb. I'm not a big fan of Jamarcus Russell since he's inconsistent. I like Troy Smith, but I don't think he'll be around when it's our turn to pick in the 2nd.
 
VY guys got kinda quite this week huh ? I'm with ya. I think the QB banter is like the Ko Simpson Banter of last year. There are thirty or so guys on the board...all but three of them aren't named Kolb, Smith and Russel. You know what the look was on Kubes face was Sunday...that's the look of a guy who saw the last straw being broken. So ...We're going to take one. Worst case scenario...we send picks to someone for a QB. Best scenario, Kubes finds someone in the pile he likes a lot and drafts the guy in the fourth. The big desision will be wether they can work out a deal with DC or not. I think Carr is ready to move on too. So they'll bring in a free angent (read cheap) QB. The QB talk IMHO, is being driven by DC hate. Just don't set yourselves up for some heartbreak. Nobody saw Owen Daniels coming either. I don't know and I ain't in the loop. Just think if we are going for a qb or a banging running back with the great Dayne already on board....no OLT prospect...whoever they bring in will be doing a little more than holding the clip boad befor the end of the season in '07. I've only seen Russell, outside of highlight clips, once this season. So I won't bang on him. Hope he doesn't dodge the combine if we're spending a one on him. Just saying. Remember, DC had a heck of a workout five years ago also.
 
TexanSam said:
I wouldn't mind drafting Colt Brennan or Kevin Kolb. I'm not a big fan of Jamarcus Russell since he's inconsistent. I like Troy Smith, but I don't think he'll be around when it's our turn to pick in the 2nd.
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i wouldnt mind makin colt a project, cause you never know with the WAC qb's
 
I think Brohm and Russell are the best of those prospects but they have knocks as well. Brohm seems to be injury prone and Russell isn't that consistent.
 
austintexanite said:
I think Brohm and Russell are the best of those prospects but they have knocks as well. Brohm seems to be injury prone and Russell isn't that consistent.
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I would take Brohm over Russell, but I don't think Brohm will declare this year. I think he's kind of like Brady Quinn was last season. Quinn could have declared and would have probably been a top 10-15 pick. Brohm would be as well, but if he stays and enters the draft next year he'll be a top 5 pick.
 
despite Troy Smiths measureables I love this guys leadership ability & heart. The only way you can measure it is by big game perfomances and championships. remember last year this time we were having the discussion if Vince Young was a QB or a WR, even McClain said late in the season NFL scouts were split, by the time he declared for the draft after the Rose Bowl he was still not considered a top 10 pick, then leading up to the last weeks before the draft Tennesse was rumored to be very impressed with his private workouts and as they say the rest is history.

my point is only this- alot can change by draft time, we'll learn alot more about these prospects over the next 4 months before the actual draft, but there is one thing I'm sold on and thats a guy who can put a team on his shoulders & carry them to a Championship. If the Texans pass on another one of these ultra competitive types then they are indeed a sorry lot :stirpot:
 
if i was going to take a project i'd take the guy out of Univ. of Washington.

6'2 215 and runs a 4.5 but that's just IF we want a project on his hand.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
if i was going to take a project i'd take the guy out of Univ. of Washington.

6'2 215 and runs a 4.5 but that's just IF we want a project on his hand.
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That is exactly what I'm talking about.. I believe you got him growning an inch and putting on ten pounds. Lundy and Owens came out of left feild last year...so will the QB prospect if we take one. Not saying Stanbach is "THE" guy. Just don't be shocked if it is not one of our darlings.
 
I am really starting to get intrigued by Jamarcus Russel. He has a cannon for an arm, so neither Mathis nor A.Johnson could outrun him. Besides, I think he might make the Texans vs. Titans matchups pretty interesting. I can't wait to watch the Sugar Bowl. I prefer pocket passers to scramblers, and I'm pretty sure he qualifies for that. And man he has a strong arm. Who knows what he could do with a year or so of tutoring under Kubiak.
 
yeah, pretty weak QB class, and just a very weak class overall. here's what we're looking at for the first day QB's:

Round One: Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell, Colt Brennan
Round Two: Troy Smith (possibly late 1st), Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb, John Beck
Round Three: Trent Edwards, Tyler Palko, Jordan Palmer
 
threetoedpete said:
That is exactly what I'm talking about.. I believe you got him growning an inch and putting on ten pounds. Lundy and Owens came out of left feild last year...so will the QB prospect if we take one. Not saying Stanbach is "THE" guy. Just don't be shocked if it is not one of our darlings.
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the bio report i saw on nfldraftcountdown has him at those stats. Actually 6'3in fact. As far as the qb situation here in houston i expect it to be the exact same next year.

Kats if the class is weak then why are you putting 3 qb's in round one?

Quinn I'd put in 1. Russell yea I guess but late. Nobody else is worth it in my opinion but that's just me. Maybe the combine will change some minds.
 
kastofsna said:
yeah, pretty weak QB class, and just a very weak class overall. here's what we're looking at for the first day QB's:

Round One: Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell, Colt Brennan
Round Two: Troy Smith (possibly late 1st), Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb, John Beck
Round Three: Trent Edwards, Tyler Palko, Jordan Palmer
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wow, you really see brennan go in the first??
has brohm officially announced he's staying in school?....
 
Has anyone seen projections on how many teams will be selecting QB in first four rounds? I think Quinn, Russell and Smith will be drafted to start for a team by 2008. I think that helps Texans if they want to look @ Colt McCoy in 2008. The fewer the competitors for a QB that year the better imo.
 
the question becomes how bad do those with qb needs believe they can't wait until 08 09 when there will clearly be better talent.

Russell, Smith, and Brohm are all round 2 qb's.

quinn is a first but is a first with what to me looks like a bust waiting to happen.

If i'm taking a qb this year i'd rather see a project with ridiculous upside picked in the 4th or later.

though with the needs the texans have even the 4th can bring starters.
 
kastofsna said:
yeah, pretty weak QB class, and just a very weak class overall. here's what we're looking at for the first day QB's:

Round One: Brady Quinn, JaMarcus Russell, Colt Brennan
Round Two: Troy Smith (possibly late 1st), Drew Stanton, Kevin Kolb, John Beck
Round Three: Trent Edwards, Tyler Palko, Jordan Palmer
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Only 1 QB will be taken in the 1st round and that will be Quinn. No more until late 2nd round
 
old football fan said:
I think we trade DC, let Sage start next year, and draft Kolb in the 3rd round and work with him so he can start in 2008.
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with the amount of work our team needs. if we aren't going to draft a STUD @ QB i say save the 3rd round picks for immediate starters. I wouldn't pick up a QB until the 4th if then.

Russell is the CLOSEST thing to excitement I feel but he reminds me too much of Tony Banks in his early days. Turns the ball over EARLY AND OFTEN.
 
I do not know how to provide link, but Dec 21st Houston Chronicle sport page 1 "Looking for Mr Right" by McClain; I quote C.O.Brocato, Tennessee Titan's co-ordinator of college scouting "Kolb is going to surprise some people. He really improved as a senior. That kid's got good size and a good arm. The ball gets from point A to point B in a hurry. He throws a nice deep ball. He's got good touch on his short passes around the line of scrimmage. He tough and durable. He's got mobility. Kolb makes good decisions. You don't see him throw many bad passes. Right now, I think he is probably a second-rounder. But once everybody really starts looking at him, it wouldn't surprise me if he goes in the first." Brocato as most of you remember was with the Oilers. Oh, well there goes my idea of selecting Kolb in 4th. Brocato went on to say that he loved Smith and reminded him of Drew Brees and has a "cannon of an arm."
 
OK here's my new and improved scenario . Brohm and Russell stay in school ... we sign Plummer .

Next year we go 8-8 and have a mid 1st round pick .... Brohm or Russell slide to that spot ... bingo .
 
Mariotexan said:
What do you think of Tyler Palko?
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I think you might have something here. He is the exact opposite of David Carr- does not have the measureables but more than makes up for it with grit, toughness and field rat (meaning he eats, sleeps football). While I've only seen glimpses of his game he reminds me alot of Romo & if I'm not mistaken he comes from Western Pennsylvania a QB rich traditional region thats produced (Montana, Marino & Namath).

Guess this decision will come down to Kubiaks evaluation of skills packages a QB like Tyler possess to develop behind Carr as upgrade over the tandem of Sage/Porter/Van Pelt. If the Texans really like him they could reach out & draft him in the 3rd rd. otherwise let him fall into their laps in the 4th/5th.

John Beck is another QB to throw out there in the mix. we'll get a chance to watch him play tonight against Oregon & I expect him to have a HUGE stat sheet after the game, not that I'm a big fan of that sort of thing but it is something you have to take a look at.
 
As a U of Michigan fan this pains me to say, but if Troy Smith is there in round 2 then that is your man. He would be a top 5 pick if he was 3 inches taller. use round one on a line man, O or D (J. Thomas or Branch) and them smith in the second and that is a solid draft so far.
 
just watched the 1st half of the BYU/Oregon game. here is my review of BYU QB John Beck :drool:

stands tall in the pocket, dances on toes & looks like a QB should. sets his feet in positive positions with good balance. rifle arm. head swivel, goes through progressions quickly, sets & throws. good knee bend under center (which I thought positive because BYU uses so much shotgun) seems to deliver handoffs in athletic sure handed mode with excellent footwork. good escapeability in pocket, but not a scrambler by choice. noticed some re-coil on a couple throws that caused the ball to come up short, has such a strong arm the ball tends to sail. overall I really like his game & feel that some team will select him on the 1st day. right now based upon the first half & what I've seen I would grade him out as a solid 3rd rd pick, he has the ability to develop into a good to very good NFL QB. :coffee:
 
There is no urgent need to draft a QB this year, especially with the questionable quality of what it looks like will be available in the draft. The Texans could sign a veteran free agent QB and instead use their draft picks to plug as many of the other holes in their team as they can.
 
beerlover said:
just watched the 1st half of the BYU/Oregon game. here is my review of BYU QB John Beck :drool:

stands tall in the pocket, dances on toes & looks like a QB should. sets his feet in positive positions with good balance. rifle arm. head swivel, goes through progressions quickly, sets & throws. good knee bend under center (which I thought positive because BYU uses so much shotgun) seems to deliver handoffs in athletic sure handed mode with excellent footwork. good escapeability in pocket, but not a scrambler by choice. noticed some re-coil on a couple throws that caused the ball to come up short, has such a strong arm the ball tends to sail. overall I really like his game & feel that some team will select him on the 1st day. right now based upon the first half & what I've seen I would grade him out as a solid 3rd rd pick, he has the ability to develop into a good to very good NFL QB. :coffee:
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i think that's fairly accurate though I think he has some mechanic issues. definitely didn't like his ball position when he dropped back most of the time which isn't a big issue in college but definitely is in the pros where wasted motion usually results in bad plays typically.

I think he's decent but Oregon looked like a joke so I'd have to see him against a more stout defense. He's still a Day 2 pick in my book.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
i think that's fairly accurate though I think he has some mechanic issues. definitely didn't like his ball position when he dropped back most of the time which isn't a big issue in college but definitely is in the pros where wasted motion usually results in bad plays typically.

I think he's decent but Oregon looked like a joke so I'd have to see him against a more stout defense. He's still a Day 2 pick in my book.
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Johnny Harris this week on radio 610 mornings said he will be a good pick for a team that can allow him some time to develope & should be a long time starter for some one. I think he estimated a second day pick also.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
i think that's fairly accurate though I think he has some mechanic issues. definitely didn't like his ball position when he dropped back most of the time which isn't a big issue in college but definitely is in the pros where wasted motion usually results in bad plays typically.

I think he's decent but Oregon looked like a joke so I'd have to see him against a more stout defense. He's still a Day 2 pick in my book.
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I was impressed with the Oregon secondary, youth & talent but played undiciplined, so Beck & BYU took advantage. John had several balls dropped too he could easily passed for over 400 yards, the coverage was a tight man to man, several times the dbs got in early but no call. Oregon had redshirt freshman (Jarius Byrd, Marvis Johnson, Willie Glasper, ) on the corner with one very good looking sophmore (Patrick Chung) & possible 2nd day pick senior safety J.D. Nelson (5-11 219). BYU did a nice job in pass protection might be a good resource to look at in the future for line help for the Texans.

Also like to add in the second half Beck showed good foot speed & decision making when he took off and ran in the ball 13 yards for a TD. Add to that fact he is very mature (25) married with baby on the way I think his learning curve @ the next level would be enhanced because of his experience and maturity.

Some NFL team will surely take a chance on Beck 1st day depending on how badly they need a QB to develop & what their options dictate :)
 
I agree other than Quinn(who is a question by himself), not anyone really seems like a real NFL starter(atleast on paper). But, with the way stuff happens in the NFL. All I can say on the QB selection(if they make one or even get a trade or FA) is 2 words:

Tom Brady

Who know who in the middle to late rounds maybe a steal in a year or less. Remember Brady was a 6th round pick that many felt wouldn't make the roster. His camp was good, and then Drew got hurt and well...look at the rings on his hand. So, who is to say someone who we don't think is a good idea at QB won't end up a Pro Bowl level guy in a year or 2.

Still, we have to wonder if they will even replace Carr. The staff still seems very high on him, and with McNair paying all that cash. I wouldn't doubt they build the rest of the team up and let Carr play(as starter) for another year or 2. Then, if we fail to get to or be in the playoffs...they atlast move him. We probably should be looking to the 2009 class for a replacement. By then Carr will improve, or be kicked out.
 
Regarding Beck....

I see no reason for him to be a 2nd rounder. HE IS 25 years old. The adjustment into the NFL for him would still be 2-3 years which at that point he's 28. Its like Chris Weinke all over again. The fact that he's married with a baby means nothing to me other than he's going home to his wife and not to the strippers ....whatever your take on that is.

a 2nd round pick is a big investment for someone that possibly can't start until they are almost 30.

We obviously were watching two different secondaries b/c how TIGHT can the man to man be if he almost threw for 400 yards.
 
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