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Opinions on Dayne....
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TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Couldn't be stated any more perfect than that.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I agree Vinny. Who do you think we should target as a starter for our team?
Dayne lacks the passion to be a starting back, and it visible most of the time. He is good at times, but has never lived up to his hype. There is no reason he shouldn't be a Jerome Bettis back. Has more speed than Bettis had. Great feet like Bettis, and cuts like him too. The biggest difference is desire.
Michael Turner. Although I bet the Giants are thinking he will take over the seed role for Tiki once he is gone.
I don't think desire is the problem. Desire got him moved from third string running back at the end of last season with the Broncos to a starter going into training camp this year. Turf Toe or should I say foot got him knocked out of training camp and eventually off the team. When he came to Texas he was still battling turf toe but was rushed in the line up. I am not making excuses for him but you can see the difference when he is healthy.
R
real
Guest
Brandon Jacobs ?
I dont think they consider him an every down back. Probably want somebody more multi-dimensional to go along with him.
Dayne wasn't a total bust in New York either. He did fail in taking the starting role from Tikki, but he did manage to become one of the leading rookie running backs (yardage) in Giants history. Demanding to be traded and skipping training camp is what got him deactivated from their roster.
rockabilly
Waterboy
I think we should keep Dayne on. He looks good. We should still hit the draft for a starting caliber back...but like someone said earlier, he should be our Jerome Bettis. We just need to find a Willie Parker.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
Lunday, given time, may be that back. He needs to learn to run smarter.
DayneBum
Noob
ron Dayne is a starting rb, he should be and will be. A healthy Ron Dayne is a beast. The guy plays with a chip on his shoulder. He's the type of back that needs 25-30 carries a game, not 5 carries every 3-4 series. What rb is not statring material needing 25-30 carries a game. If he never got hurt in the begining of the season, he would still be in Denver as the starting rb. As a matter of fact there is a big chance he will be back in denver next year.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I have been pleasantly surprised out of what we have gotten from him, the last two weeks. But how long will that last?? Buffets all around Houston are starting to close down, so he may want out....
DayneBum
Noob
it's so funny how people joke about dayne's weight, when not once in his entire career he has been fined or showed up to camp overweight, or out of shape.
DayneBum
Noob
Every Texan fan will have changed there minds...watch and see. But i agree with u 100%
Vinny
shiny happy fan
He is on his third NFL team and can't keep a starting job
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Lighten up (sorry about the pun) I didn't realize that I was joking about a relative...
Read the part where I say I have been pleasantly surprised...
See, many of you that have been in that "dark place" for a very long time have lost your sense of humor...
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Couldn't have said it better. I think Lundy would be our Willie Parker. We should try out Chris Taylor, too. If we can get a good back in the second round, then we should be set at running bacC. Ron Dayne is a beast when healthy. He moves piles of defenders. He is like a Jerome Bettis.
DayneBum
Noob
like i said, Dayne needs 25-30 carries a game, not 5 carries every 4 sereies, and thats just what the G-men did, his entire tenure there, except for his rookie season. he got hurt in Denver, so they let him go. You act like he was the featured back for an entire season. in the 3 games that he was the featured bcak in NYG, b/c tiki was hurt. he had 58car, 337yrds, 3tds w/ 5.3avg....when he was the featured back in Denver for 1 game. Well just go back to Thanksgiving game last year vs Dallas. Like i said he is and will be a starting rb in this league.
edo783
Hall of Fame
And the truly sad thing is....he is probably as close as we have to an NFL starting RB.
shinerbock_girl
All Pro
He still reminds me of the BUS...I loved the Bus
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Actually, the last Giants game I watch, the comintators said the exact opposite .
Think it was the week that Tiki Barber anouced his retirement. They said the giants loved Jacobs and they may be looking for a complimentary back like Turner or Westbrook to share the load. Gotta to figure they talked to someone befor the game. I don't know and I ain't in the loop. However the guy ala Preist Holmes in Blatimore, has been a TD machine this season. Gotta think they'll hold their water on the franchise guy untill '08.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I'm not as high as you are on the Great Dayne. I thought he was going to take out Daniels on one of the TD runs. He's been productive the last two game won't argue that. Just don't think he is Dominic Davis. We could do beter middle of the draft. Not going to bang on the guy. We just have different opinions on the guy.
the Giants always came up when discussing Turner but it would be great news if they werent players. I think he is a RFA? If so then he is probably out as I'm sure SD would tender him with a pretty high tag and there is no way we would pay a 1st round pick for him. If he is a UFA then I say he is our #1 target in the offseason. He has proven to be explosive (something we DONT have) and I think will become a very good back.
Lets face it. This team has so many holes that they HAVE to find some good players in FA or via trade. There is just no way to fill the holes in a timely manner (before some of our own good players walk) via the draft (hit and miss).
Kubes could put the full court press on a RB and demonstrate how they turned spares into 1,000 yard rushers in Denver.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Just a question. If Dayne can do what he's done the past two weeks against the Patriots, Colts, and Browns then do we bring him back and put off the aquisition of a young starting RB for another season. In short do you think he's enough of a player to allow us to address other need spots or would you say we need a back ASAP.
Just curious. He's given me something to watch the past couple of weeks and I'd like to see him do this same thing for the rest of the season. He seems capable enough when he's healthy and getting the carries.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
When healthy, I think Dayne is starter quality, but not for an entire game. I think he's got about 3 qtrs. in him max. After that (or before that--whatever), it's not like he totally sucks or anything but I'd want somebody else in there. Right now, he might be our best back for all 4 qtrs. Whether or not we need to draft a RB depends on what happens the rest of the year with all of them. I mean, we probably need to, but also have other needs--some definitely outweigh RB, IMO, and others are questionable in that regard. This is all just my 
DayneBum
Noob
Last year during his time in denver Dayne was at 238lbs-235lbs. if he maintains that weight, with a great offseason. He can be that everydown back that everybody wants to see. The injury this year really set him back. b/c he was planning on being at 235-233 at the start of the season. But give him a healthy year, it wont be no talk of drafting a younger rb.
PapaL
Loose Screw
NO. While I must admit he has been doing well, Ron Dayne is not the RB to put your future on. Not even one years worth. For the last 7 years we have all seen the type of back he really is; not reliable and not a power back. While he may pop off a couple of good games a season, he is not "The Man."
We need a back that produces yardage and not excuses as to why he hasnt been succesful in the NFL (more so his fans and not him).
TheOgre
All Pro
Exactly. If we had to go with him as our starter for 2007 only, I could live with that. By 2008, we better have a better option.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
We will have to wait another year to draft our franchise back.
What ever it takes...
Our Franchise Back
What ever it takes...
Our Franchise Back
No and yes. No we do not need to bring in a young starting running back. Yes we should draft a young running back that offers different dimensions. First and foremost though, we need Offensive Linemen. Having a hard nose running back like Dayne opens up so many other options on offense. Having someone consistently pounding the ball against defense creates so many coverage problems. It forces the defense to either have to bring up a safety for additional help or blitz. That means the passing game will be wide open.
If that happens, even David Carr can be successful (given he has an offensive line).
Dayne can last for four quarters. As a matter of fact that is when he is the most devistating. Don't let size fool you!!! Though it may not look like it, Dayne is Damn Fast. What he does lack is that instantaneous explosiveness that backs like LT and Tikki have. That is where I feel some people often get confused and use weight as an excuse or for a lack of a better explination.
Brandon Jacobs has been getting more time in what is normally considered Tiki time....the Giants are transitioning him to be an everydown, or at least their featured back.
As far as RonDayne goes.. I agree with the other Dayne fans in this thread.
There simply is no place on a team for a guy like RonDayne when he is playing behind Tiki Barber, or MikeAnderson/TatumBell in that system.
If you watch our offensive line, they still don't have it.... but once they consistently get to their second level blocks.... RonDayne is going to go off.
He's not as fast as a Tatum Bell, or a Reggie Bush, or a Ladanian Tomlinson. But on that list, I'd put him behind LT, & ahead of Reggie & Tatum in the perfect combination of the two(power/speed).
The reason that no one has given him the job fulltime is because over the course of six years, three different organizations have decided that he does not have the ability to carry the fulltime load including the one he is with. Ron Dayne had the opportunity to clearly win the starting job on the Texans this season and did not. The sort of RBBC stuff he is doing now is his best usage.
When healthy, I think Dayne is starter quality, but not for an entire game. I think he's got about 3 qtrs. in him max. After that (or before that--whatever), it's not like he totally sucks or anything but I'd want somebody else in there. This is all just my
Nothing against RonDayne, but I agree..... I think we should start Dayne, let him beat up on the D for 3 Qtrs, then put a fresh Lundy in for the 4th.... he'd kill.
Not true. In New York he fell out of starting contention when aked to be traded and did not report to Pre-season workouts, even though he told Jim Fassel he would. This is why he was de-activated for the season. Fassel was mad because he had planned to use Dayne significantly that year and then Dayne let him down. By the time Coughlin got there, Tikki had blown up and Dayne was only used for short yardage situations. Dayne is not a short yardage back hense him being traded to Denver.
At Denver he did make it to starting running back at the beginning of training camp this year, but injury held him out of training camp and he was traded because of the success of both the Bells.
When he came here he was still hurt but becuase of the Texans situation at Running Back and his familiarity with the system he was forced to start right away. Which brings us to now. He is as close to 100% as he has been all season and we all see the results.
He was not traded to the Texans. He was cut, and we picked him up. Despite this error, I will take your word for his time in New york.
As for the rest of the post, so what you are saying is that Ron Dayne has never had the ability to beat out another RB for a starting job. Dayne has played two nice games (not great) this year and I am supposed to ignore 6 years of being a spare.
DayneBum
Noob
No dont ignore the past 6yrs. But obvisouly u dont know the truth of the matter. Dayne was misused in every possible way in NYG. U dont give Dayne the ball 2times every 5 series and expect him to get 100ydrs a game. The way he won the heisman, is carring the ball 25-30times a game, pounding and wearing down defenses. He's not a power back, but runs with tremendous power when given the ball on a consistent basis. He's not the jerome Bettis type. You have to utlize a player to the best of there abilities, and thats exactly what denver and the Texans have/are doing. The Giants didnt do that at all unless Tiki wasnt playing due to injury.
he was running well(despite being injured) in our first three games.... if you look at his results & when he was asked to run, you can't say he didn't run well. If you look at his avg.... it'll look so-so, because of things like giving him the ball, and trying to run out the clock, or some other obvious run down situation(David just got sacked.... surely they won't pass(since they never do after David gets sacked)).....
he didn't run well against Miami, or Dallas, but from what I understand, no one has.
The truth of the matter is that players earn starting positions by what they do on the field whether or not it is the best situation. Coaches don't just give players 20-25 carries when they don't do anything with 8. Maybe a tough break for Ron, but at end of the day, on the field he has NOT taken enough advantage of the chances he has been given in nearly seven full NFL seasons. Maybe the Texans get lucky, but I don't like betting the exception that a player all of a sudden gets it when he has been below average for year after year.
So you are right, I really don't care that the Gaints supposedly misused him.
OK we all know that New York and RD did not work out. Point taken. Also, I could not agree with you more that the number of carries you get are earned and not just given to you. That is why he earned the right to get the majority of carries in Denver (i.e. Mike Anderson being traded) then he got injured. Now that he is here and healthy, you will also see the work load shift his way again..
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I'm just being curious George here, but didn't Dayne miss practically the whole training camp in Denver? If so, how could he earn the right for more carries?
You just keep making my point. He did not earn the carries on the field. He was given the job in the OFF-SEASON and could not maintain it through training camp and the pre-season. Does it not seem strange that Dayne went from starter to cut based on an injury that was not even serious enough to keep him out of the first game with a new team?
Hey, as long as Dayne is in a Texans uniform I hope I am wrong, but call me underwhelmed by the thought of 2007 and Ron Dayne as the starting RB for the Houston Texans.
brncoz1fan
Practice Squad
For the record Dayne did not play his first came with the Texans until the Colts and didn't start until the game after that one. After the Raiders game Kubiak himself admitted that he wasn't completely healthy when he first got to Houston but is now.
I would rather you all quit debating it and send him back to Denver. We won't complain but I guess it doesn't work that way.
DayneBum
Noob
Hey longtime no speak....I been saying that since Dayne arrived here. HE WILL BE BACK IN DENVER NEXT YEAR. But depending on the rest of the games kubiak may just lock him up. But there is a 75% chance he'll be back out there. If he never got hurt, we wouldnt even be on this board discussing this.