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is spencer injury career ending??

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ravinaznt

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i read on this in this board that kubiak said yesterday on 610 that his injury is career ending?? is that true?
 
someone stated that they thought Kubiak said he was deeply concerned about it, but not sure what that means at this point
 
It just sounds to me like it COULD have been career-ending, but it's not. Sure hope I'm right.
 
Wolf said:
hasn't he knocked out 2 people?
or am I mistaken?
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Don't know

I just know he took out our LT a LT that actually looked promising and one that had a mean streak in a position that has been bleeding for 5 years

I hate Ron Dayne..........
 
I believe Kubiak mentioned along the lines that he was concerned about the injury in that he's not sure if Spencer will ever be back to his previous form before the injury.
 
What a bummer. Even if it's not career ending, it's still bad enough of an injury that there is serious doubt about Spencer living up to his pre-injury potential.

LT appears to be a cursed position on this team....not a good thing in any way.
 
A4toZ said:
I believe Kubiak mentioned along the lines that he was concerned about the injury in that he's not sure if Spencer will ever be back to his previous form before the injury.
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Are you refering to his comment about Spencer on SR 610 yesterday between
5 - 6 PM ?
Because I think somebody called in and asked about Spencer, but Kubiaks response was not audible to me and he didn't repeat it.
What did he say ?
 
if it is career ending,... crappy luck, but oh well. no use beating yourself up or thinking "what could have been" because we'll probably never see spencer play again. its really not that surprising considering the way things have gone with our franchise since conception..
 
A4toZ said:
I believe Kubiak mentioned along the lines that he was concerned about the injury in that he's not sure if Spencer will ever be back to his previous form before the injury.
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I heard it live, and that's what I heard.

All in the context of "he's doing fine, but..."
 
NO doubt? does this team every get good news! Jeez whats next?

I heard Mario Williams crazy toe nails will soon lead to, ..Yes u guess it

"TURF TOE" :shoot:
 
Double Barrel said:
LT appears to be a cursed position on this team....not a good thing in any way.
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It's known as the Boselli Curse. The Jags are cursed in that by palming off a cripple that never played a down, the Texans will forever have their number on the field, and the Texans are cursed in that the LT will always be a problem position.
 
First off, until Spencer is able to some light running or even walking, the team will not know the extent of the time to recover. Second, Kubiak has already stated that the lose of time on the field to refine his techniques is the biggest lose of the season.

As it stands now, we have a huge question mark over Spencer, because "A", we are not sure if he ever was the real answer at LT, and "B" we are not sure how the injury will affect a 350 lbs man.
 
I was the one who had originally posted this about Spencer.

Some one asked Kubiak on Monday radio show about Spencer and this is what he said on the radio.


Kubiak said Spencer injury was very bad and even though he has had successful surgery no one can say for sure if Spencer will ever be back to his preinjury status or any thing close to it. He said it may be career ending injury but he can't say anything right now and nor can any doctor will say anything right now.


He said with ACL injury, normally players are able to come back and play well but in Spencer's case location where the injury has occurred is not considered very good for athletes. Spencer is a big man so no one can predict how it will turn out.

Heading into off season now tackle position become matter of concern for Texans.
 
dbspi said:
He said with ACL injury, normally players are able to come back and play well but in Spencer's case location where the injury has occurred is not considered very good for athletes.
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He tore ligaments?

I thought it was just a fracture....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
He tore ligaments?

I thought it was just a fracture....
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A high break in the bone like he had often results in soft tissue damage too. That is why they've been saying the leg was broken in a bad place.

I think everyone should calm down; it sounds like they still have no definitive answers, but that is the nature of this type of injury. They have to wait for the bone to heal before they address the ligaments.

Didn't one of the LBs that went down in camp had the same injury.
 
All I heard him say was that of the disappointing things that happened this year the injury to Spencer was one of the worst. Don't remember the exact words but that it was a bad injury and that they don't know if he will be able to get back to his previous form. Take that for what it's worth.
 
First of all from all I read he did not damage ligaments but the break was high enough on the lower leg that it could affect where ligaments attach to the bone.
Also Spencer is not 350. He was 350 coming out of school last year but was down to 325 at the end of preseason.
Everyone involved with his rehab has stressed the importance of him keeping weight off while the leg heals and again from various articles he appears to be doing well and is healing without complications but it's to early to determine the complete extent of the recovery.
 
As there will be no way before the draft that the team will know if he will play, how can they not address LT in early rounds? We have hoped the RB position was fixed, still not sure. Same can be said for DT with 3 players out. With the Oline expected to block for Carr & backs, don't we have to make an impact move at left tackle?
 
I think Kubiak was saying "with an ACL injury" you know the time table, and it has been proven time and time again. With Spencer's injury, you do not have the same kind of repetitive recover to use to predict his return. Every broken leg injury is different in where it breaks and the extent of injury to the soft tissue and the atrophy of the muscles in the leg in a cast.

Guys no one will know where Spencer is until spring time. And even then we may not have a solid return by date.
 
Spencer's injury may or may not be career ending.

But they should pretend that it IS career ending, and draft accordingly.
 
sounds like Spencer could need some Painkiller......worst case he never plays again, best case he returns and plays LT. my guess would be somewhere in between maybe RT probably LG & moving Pitts back to LT if not drafting someone early who could start.

Joe Staley CMU should be available in the 2nd most likely gone by the 3rd. just another option to consider, if the Texans can work a trade down & pick up another 2nd in the deal it would make alot of sense. He is 6-5 300 lbs somewhat small for his position (not sure about his arm length) but is cat quick & would seem like a good fit for Kubiaks system.

best of luck to Charles I really hope he can have a full recovery :thumbup
 
TheRealJoker said:
This may change our draft strategy. If Spencer cannot come back we MUST go OL in the 1st.
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I don't understand this thinking...

Spencer was our starting left tackle as a rookie....

He was a third rd. pick....So why is it now that Spencer went down, we "MUST" go OL in the first???
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't understand this thinking...

Spencer was our starting left tackle as a rookie....

He was a third rd. pick....So why is it now that Spencer went down, we "MUST" go OL in the first???
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Because if our LT position was bad enough for a 3rd round draft choice rookie to be the starting LT, it's bad enough to draft LT in the 1st.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't understand this thinking...

Spencer was our starting left tackle as a rookie....

He was a third rd. pick....So why is it now that Spencer went down, we "MUST" go OL in the first???
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SPencer was best tackle in 3rd not best in first 3 rounds. Who did he beat out this season? He was best we had. The way our O line has gone with injuries we should go with one of the two best tackles mentioned coming out next season. I think we did not adress oline earlier as Kubes thought Mario was bigger need than Ferguson. And who can argue that the second round selection was dead on? I like what little we saw of Spencer but we NEED another left tackle even if he comes back strong. The position is too important to hope Salaam can hold up if starter goes down again.
 
eriadoc said:
Because if our LT position was bad enough for a 3rd round draft choice rookie to be the starting LT, it's bad enough to draft LT in the 1st.
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:shocked...........say what ?



Does this same principle apply to Owen Daniels...or Meco ???

Why is it that the position was "bad enough" ?? How come Spencer couldn't just be "good enough"???

I don't understand that thought process either....

and I'm not against taking Thomas in the first, but not by that reasoning....
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
:shocked...........say what ?



Does this same principle apply to Owen Daniels...or Meco ???

Why is it that the position was "bad enough" ?? How come Spencer couldn't just be "good enough"???

I don't understand that thought process either....

and I'm not against taking Thomas in the first, but not by that reasoning....
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The LT position has been a black hole on this team from Day One. Many fans here (myself included) were clamoring for Ferguson in the first round last year. I posted quite a few posts as to why we needed the best available LT in the draft. We settled for Charles Spencer. As I said at the time, if we can somehow take a gem from a later round and turn him into a stud LT, sign me up. I'm all for it. However, I'd rather see the team go ahead and draft someone that is widely projected to become a great left tackle in the mold of Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, Jon Ogden, etc. Heck, even the next step down of Pro Bowl LTs are pretty top-notch - Levi Jones, Tarik Glenn, etc. All those guys were drafted highly. In fact, most of the top sixteen teams in the NFL last year had a starting tackle that was drafted very highly. Yes, it's true you can get a great player from anywhere in the draft. If this team can pull it off, I'll be ecstatic. In the meantime, I wouldn't mind seeing them draft a stud LT in the first round and develop him. If one of our other tackles turns out to be great as well .... well, nothing says we can't have very good bookend tackles, right?

And yes, the TE position was that bad (last year), as was the MLB position. To their credit, OD and Ryans beat out legitimate NFL veterans in training camp for their positions, so it's not like I'm saying they have to be bad to be starters. And Spencer could be great - we don't know yet. But the LT position has been bad for a long time. It just gets old.
 
Meloy said:
SPencer was best tackle in 3rd not best in first 3 rounds.
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You don't know that....That's like sayin Marques Colston wasn't the best rookie WR... Or Meco wasn't the best LB...he was only the best in the second....

Who did he beat out this season? He was best we had. The way our O line has gone with injuries we should go with one of the two best tackles mentioned coming out next season. I think we did not adress oline earlier as Kubes thought Mario was bigger need than Ferguson. And who can argue that the second round selection was dead on?
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Who'd he beat out?......everybody who competed for the spot....

And what do injuries have to do with drafting an OL in the first rd....
All injuries mean is that you need quality depth behind your starters...A better argument would be that LT is our biggest NEED, and we need a quality starter....

because we can get Quality depth in later rds...

I like what little we saw of Spencer but we NEED another left tackle even if he comes back strong. The position is too important to hope Salaam can hold up if starter goes down again.
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Why does it end with Salaam ? Why can't we draft a quality LT in the second or third??? Why does it have to be a first rd. pick ??
 
eriadoc said:
The LT position has been a black hole on this team from Day One. Many fans here (myself included) were clamoring for Ferguson in the first round last year. I posted quite a few posts as to why we needed the best available LT in the draft. We settled for Charles Spencer. As I said at the time, if we can somehow take a gem from a later round and turn him into a stud LT, sign me up.
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Ok...

But we have other needs as well...

We spent two picks last year on OL...specifically Tackles.....

Not one pick was spent on Secondary...And IMO, that is one of the worst areas of our team....

I honestly expect us to go Poslunsky or Landry in the first....

I wouldn't be terribly upset with Thomas...But I think lack of talent in the secondary and LB corps is hurting us more right now than lack of talent on the O-line
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Ok...

But we have other needs as well...

We spent two picks last year on OL...specifically Tackles.....

Not one pick was spent on Secondary...And IMO, that is one of the worst areas of our team....

I honestly expect us to go Poslunsky or Landry in the first....

I wouldn't be terribly upset with Thomas...But I think lack of talent in the secondary and LB corps is hurting us more right now than lack of talent on the O-line
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I'll agree with you about the secondary. Unfortunately, top corners and top tackles are typically taken very highly in the draft. So I wouldn't feel bad about getting a top corner in the draft, either. Historically speaking, linebacker and safety are positions that have a higher percentage of success stories from later rounds, so we should be able to improve all three areas.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't understand this thinking...

Spencer was our starting left tackle as a rookie....

He was a third rd. pick....So why is it now that Spencer went down, we "MUST" go OL in the first???
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Because you don't get guys like Orlando Pace, Willie Roaf, or D'brick in later rounds. Left tackles are worth their weight in gold in the NFL, and I have little doubt that you already know this to be true. I'd like to have a guy at LT that will play the position with us for a decade or more.

At some point, the Texans are going to have to bite the bullet and spend some high picks on the offensive line.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You don't know that....That's like sayin Marques Colston wasn't the best rookie WR... Or Meco wasn't the best LB...he was only the best in the second....



Who'd he beat out?......everybody who competed for the spot....

And what do injuries have to do with drafting an OL in the first rd....
All injuries mean is that you need quality depth behind your starters...A better argument would be that LT is our biggest NEED, and we need a quality starter....

because we can get Quality depth in later rds... I guess we just do not understand each other. My point with Spencer being best tackle in 3rd round- that is where he was picked. Who did he beat out? There were not a lot of great tackles ahead of him on team.. I think that is obvious. I don't think we have quality depth now at LT & that is why I would select the highest rated tackle whenever we draft in 1st round.



Why does it end with Salaam ? Why can't we draft a quality LT in the second or third??? Why does it have to be a first rd. pick ??
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We can draft a quality LT in later rounds, we did that with the two we got in 3rd last year. Ferguson was rated above the two we got for a reason.
 
Double Barrel said:
Because you don't get guys like Orlando Pace, Willie Roaf, or D'brick in later rounds. Left tackles are worth their weight in gold in the NFL, and I have little doubt that you already know this to be true. I'd like to have a guy at LT that will play the position with us for a decade or more.

At some point, the Texans are going to have to bite the bullet and spend some high picks on the offensive line.
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I think last year a couple of us looked up the draft history and something like half of the starting Left tackles in the league origianlly were 1st round draft picks and only like a handful were found on the 2nd day.
 
Double Barrel said:
Because you don't get guys like Orlando Pace, Willie Roaf, or D'brick in later rounds. Left tackles are worth their weight in gold in the NFL, and I have little doubt that you already know this to be true. I'd like to have a guy at LT that will play the position with us for a decade or more.

At some point, the Texans are going to have to bite the bullet and spend some high picks on the offensive line.
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I would lean this direction....

But I have a problem with the reasoning....

Drafting a LT in the first doesn't make him a stud...

And even if he turns into a stud...that doesn't equal winning....

I look at teams like the Colts...Pats...Denver....and Pittsburg.....

They have good O-LINES......And IMO, you can build a solid unit with good coaching, and decent talent...If we want a good O-line for years to come we need to develop a system, and find a coach who can implement it...Drafting a stud LT in the first rd. isn't going to solve our O-line woes...

At this point we need so much, that I wouldn't be upset with any of the picks people have thrown out there for us.....Peterson, Thomas, Landry...
 
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