Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!

YoungTexanFan's FA targets:

YoungTexanFan

YoungTexanFan

All Pro
Ladell Betts - He has produced and I think he is a good fit for our system and he keeps his feet moving at all times.
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas - Briggs is the bigger name but Thomas is the better talent IMO.
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel - You pick, I call it a dead heat
Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen - Allen is a RFA and Freeny is likely to be resigned, but why can't I dream?


There are no OL, WR/TE worth mentioning. The FA class is thin overall so expect to overpay for anyone mentioned above. OL must be drafted as no top tier OL is allowed to sign elsewhere. The closest this year is Starks and he probally won't hit the market, but I don't consider him top tier.
 
I'd give Asante Samuel the tiebreaker over Nate Clements right now since they are equal in my book. The reason for the tiebreaker is that Asante has been playing for a winning organization his whole career and has learned how to finish off games. Asante via winning swagger!!!

What do you think of Cato June at WLB?
 
#1 on my FA shopping list is Chicago OLB Briggs, #55/25/6'1"/240 and almost as good as Urlacher. Put him outside DeMeco, draft one more good OLB high in '07 and we have gone from having one of the worst defensive front 7 to one of the best IMO.

#2 but just a bit behind #1 is NE Samuel, #22/25/5'10"/185 and plays a lot like Drob. Paired with Drob, and Faggins as the 3rd CB and we are a FS upgrade away from being there with the backfield as well.

#3 much lower down on my list than the above two...SD RB Turner, #33/24/5'10"/237 Kubiak's protype RB with a lot of tread left on his wheels after backing up LT. I doubt we have the cap space to get this one though as he is probably going to cost someone a bunch to sign and I'll bet Kubes thinks we should use FA money elsewhere (like OLB, CB) :twocents:
 
TheRealJoker said:
I'd give Asante Samuel the tiebreaker over Nate Clements right now since they are equal in my book. The reason for the tiebreaker is that Asante has been playing for a winning organization his whole career and has learned how to finish off games. Asante via winning swagger!!!

What do you think of Cato June at WLB?
Click to expand...

I give Clements the edge actually because he has been to the pro-bowl and is more experienced but still in his prime. He is bigger and more physical. He is also an UFA who wants out.

I thought about listing June, but he just doesn't excite me. I really don't believe he could be a player we plus in to build around. I feel he is more of a last piece when there are other great players around him. I don't think he would make the kind of impact worth the money he'll ask.
 
Maddict5 said:
neither samuel, briggs, thomas are likely to be FA's come march
Click to expand...

Actually, Samuels and Briggs are likely to become FA's.

NE does not want to shell out the money to resign Samuels and many major sports outlets are reporting the same thing.

Briggs is almost garentueed out of Chicago. Chicago is going to be struggling to resign all their young defensive talent very soon. Briggs is expendable because he is overhyped. He will want more than Chicago will pay. He will be a FA.
 
I'm also pretty sure John Lynch is a RFA or UFA. He'd be a heck of a pick up for our shotty secondary. I'd say he'd be the top FA I'd go after. You know there wouldn't be any last minute bombs over the middle of the field for a TD if Lynch was patroling our backfield. Going into our offseason, secondary is my 1st concern, then our LB's.
 
Lynch is too old, and I'm not sure why he would want to come here anyway. I get my RB in the draft. You can find good ones there, and we don't need to overpay. I would take Clements over Samuel, but either is a major, major upgrade. I would take Briggs over Thomas by a hair, but again, either is a major upgrade. Remember on any of these big names that it's a two way street. They have to want to be here.
 
Porky said:
Lynch is too old, and I'm not sure why he would want to come here anyway. I get my RB in the draft. You can find good ones there, and we don't need to overpay. I would take Clements over Samuel, but either is a major, major upgrade. I would take Briggs over Thomas by a hair, but again, either is a major upgrade. Remember on any of these big names that it's a two way street. They have to want to be here.
Click to expand...

With most of these players looking for their second team, I expect them to care more about money than team. They want to go to a team that will highlight them in the defense as well as pay them handsomly. That seems like us.
 
Porky said:
Lynch is too old, and I'm not sure why he would want to come here anyway. I get my RB in the draft. You can find good ones there, and we don't need to overpay. I would take Clements over Samuel, but either is a major, major upgrade. I would take Briggs over Thomas by a hair, but again, either is a major upgrade. Remember on any of these big names that it's a two way street. They have to want to be here.
Click to expand...

Or we'll overpay for them to be here. See Greenwood, Weaver, etc.:twocents:
 
AtheGreat said:
I'm also pretty sure John Lynch is a RFA or UFA. He'd be a heck of a pick up for our shotty secondary. I'd say he'd be the top FA I'd go after. You know there wouldn't be any last minute bombs over the middle of the field for a TD if Lynch was patroling our backfield. Going into our offseason, secondary is my 1st concern, then our LB's.
Click to expand...

Lynch has never been a ball hawk or cover guy. He is a hard hitting SS, but we have two of those starting right now. Lynch is also really old and has not been playing well. He's on my stay away list.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Todd Wade as well...

However, those were mediocere talents at best.

I don't mind overpaying a little for someone like Clements or Freeny.
Click to expand...

Well, if we overpaid for mediocre talents, what do you think we're going to have to pay for real talent?

BTW, I like Weaver and don't include him as a mediocre talent.
 
houston will have to overpay every FA for the next couple years, unless they are a home town guy, like Michael Lewis, now that would be a good pick up for the texans


i thought that lewis and dawkins were both FA after this season, or is it next season?
 
HOU-TEX said:
Well, if we overpaid for mediocre talents, what do you think we're going to have to pay for real talent?

BTW, I like Weaver and don't include him as a mediocre talent.
Click to expand...

We will have to overpay by the same amount as we did for mediocre talent.

I like Weaver too and wasn't trying to include him in mediocre. He is good and solid.
 
fill needs via FA, build foundation through the draft-

the Texans cannot afford to overpay anymore for FA help because of all the high draft picks accumulated that will need to be resigned (Andre Johnson, Dunta Robinson, Mario Williams, DeMeco Ryans & franchise QB). Kubiaks staff has done a nice job with all the injurys to find players off the scrape heap for next to nothing. these players (Ephraim Salaam, Thomas Johnson, Anthony Maddox) have done an outstanding job filling in but look for these positions to be upgraded via the draft. only CB & FS positions would I consider overpaying FA.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
We will have to overpay by the same amount as we did for mediocre talent.

I like Weaver too and wasn't trying to include him in mediocre. He is good and solid.
Click to expand...

I guess the whole point I'm leading up to is...can we afford to do this? What kind of cap space will we have? I'm not going to pretend I know much about what cap scenerio's going to look like. Maybe someone that knows might chime in.
 
mexican_texan said:
McGee from the Bills...he's more likely to leave than Clements, according to the Bills fans that visited.
Click to expand...

That was an ignorant statement. (not by you Mex_tex)

McGahee isn't even a RFA, so he can't "leave"

Clements is tired of being franchised and has threatened holding out if it happens again. He wants out.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
That was an ignorant statement. (not by you Mex_tex)

McGahee isn't even a RFA, so he can't "leave"

Clements is tired of being franchised and has threatened holding out if it happens again. He wants out.
Click to expand...

Are you talking about McGahee or McGee (Mex_Tex seemed to be talking about Terrence McGee)? Either way, neither of them is eligible to leave this year. McGee's signed on till 2009, McGahee till 2008.

I hope your'e right about Clements. Either him or Samuel would fill a MAJOR gap in our roster. There's no safeties worth having so we need to draft a FS.

I agree with most people about what we need from FA this year: big time cover corner (preferably Samuels or Clements), at least one OLB (Briggs or Thomas - or maybe Cato June if neither of those is feasible). Rian Lindell would be a welcome addition at K.

Shame there are no Centers or DTs likely to be there. I'm hoping we trade TJ for a solid DT or a draft pick that will allow us to get one.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
That was an ignorant statement. (not by you Mex_tex)

McGahee isn't even a RFA, so he can't "leave"

Clements is tired of being franchised and has threatened holding out if it happens again. He wants out.
Click to expand...
Moulds wasn't a FA, either. I'm guessing it's a similar situation.
 
Porky said:
They have to want to be here.
Click to expand...

I agree with this. I think it is one reason Moulds has worked out so well for us. He wanted to be here and he is all about making the team better.

I wonder if Moulds could help in gettin us Nate Clemens. Isn't Clemens from Houston?
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Ladell Betts - He has produced and I think he is a good fit for our system and he keeps his feet moving at all times.
Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas - Briggs is the bigger name but Thomas is the better talent IMO.
Nate Clements or Asante Samuel - You pick, I call it a dead heat
Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen - Allen is a RFA and Freeny is likely to be resigned, but why can't I dream?


There are no OL, WR/TE worth mentioning. The FA class is thin overall so expect to overpay for anyone mentioned above. OL must be drafted as no top tier OL is allowed to sign elsewhere. The closest this year is Starks and he probally won't hit the market, but I don't consider him top tier.
Click to expand...





IMHO, i think that they should go after M. Turner from San Diego. The Texans have always over paid in free agency and will continue to do so. So bringing in Turner should not be a problem. We can fill a need with an awesome RB that will fit in extremely will with the kind of offense Kubes is running. No more rookies or players on the downside of there careers for the position. We seriously need the kind of back that Turner is on our offense....Explosive!!! We then draft CB/S/LB in the first 4 rds. of the draft. Just my opinion.
 
Koolbrz said:
IMHO, i think that they should go after M. Turner from San Diego. The Texans have always over paid in free agency and will continue to do so. So bringing in Turner should not be a problem. We can fill a need with an awesome RB that will fit in extremely will with the kind of offense Kubes is running. No more rookies or players on the downside of there careers for the position. We seriously need the kind of back that Turner is on our offense....Explosive!!! We then draft CB/S/LB in the first 4 rds. of the draft. Just my opinion.
Click to expand...

I like Turner, but if we want him we will lose more than just money. It will cost us a first and third round draft pick.

So...if you think you can find a CB/FS/LB/DT/OL/PK/P/FB in the second, fourth, fifth, six, and seventh...let me know. I'll nominate you for GM of the world and will bow down to you.

In all reality, Turner is a great talent, but I don't see him as much better than Betts who is an URFA.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I like Turner, but if we want him we will lose more than just money. It will cost us a first and third round draft pick.

So...if you think you can find a CB/FS/LB/DT/OL/PK/P/FB in the second, fourth, fifth, six, and seventh...let me know. I'll nominate you for GM of the world and will bow down to you.

In all reality, Turner is a great talent, but I don't see him as much better than Betts who is an URFA.
Click to expand...



First of all, i said it was just my opinion smart azz!!:loser Secondly, All it will cost them to get Turner is a nice contract. I really doubt that SD will put any kind of tag on him considering that they have LT on the roster. So i really doubt that we would have to give up any kind of draft picks. Finally, Betts is not as good as Turner...he does not have the same strength or speed that Turner has. I am sick of picking up RB's that just will not cut it in this offense. It will not surprise me if Dayne and Gado are not on the roster next yr. We really need to stop thinking that just because Denver can turn an unheard of RB into somebody that we will do the same. This yr has been a good example that we...ARE NOT DENVER!! So we need to go after the best available back out there. Which IMO is Turner. Enough said
 
Gado might be back not Dayne for sure I would like to get a FS,S through FA or the draft someone with speed Evans just made them guys look like they ru 5.6 40.
 
Koolbrz said:
Secondly, All it will cost them to get Turner is a nice contract. I really doubt that SD will put any kind of tag on him considering that they have LT on the roster. So i really doubt that we would have to give up any kind of draft picks.
Click to expand...

I believe what YTF is referring to is the fact that Turner is a restricted free agent. The Chargers don't have to place a tag on him to get draft compensation if he were to sign with another team. They're entitled to make a qualifying offer to Turner, and if he was to sign with another team for more money the Chargers would have the right to either match the deal & keep Turner or not match the offer and receive draft pick compensation corresponding to the original qualifying offer they made.

I believe there are three levels low, mid, and high. If I recall correctly a low or minimum level tender would entitle the Chargers to a draft pick in the round Turner was originally drafted in. A mid level would give them both a 1st and a 3rd round pick, and a high would give them two 1st round picks (not so sure on the high one). Cak or aj know the ins and outs of all that better than I do. The only way we could get Turner w/o giving up any draft picks would be if San Diego didn't even make a qualifying offer to Turner which I would think is unlikely.
 
All the FA's that have been mentioned are the sexy picks. Coming from winning franchises and big name players. I don't think it's necessary to pick up one of those guys to get better, sure it would be nice, but looking at our D our biggest need is in the secondary and at DT. In the secondary we only need one player either at the safety or CB position not both. A ball hawking FS would make life easier for our CB's and vise versa. DT's on the other hand are always better in pairs. 1st off Payne is really getting up there in age so a replacement for him should be found second TJ just isn't living up to his potential and it doesn't look like he'll be able to reach it. So while we need upgrades at one position in the secondary both our DT's need upgrading so I would make this a priority. I would say that our best bet would be Terdell Sands of the Oakland Raiders. He's in his fifth yr. so he's still young he's currently the back-up DT, but I think he could start for us. He's 6'7'' and 335 lbs. He should be a force in the middle and tall enough to get up and bat passes down.
 
Koolbrz said:
First of all, i said it was just my opinion smart azz!!:loser Secondly, All it will cost them to get Turner is a nice contract. I really doubt that SD will put any kind of tag on him considering that they have LT on the roster. So i really doubt that we would have to give up any kind of draft picks. Finally, Betts is not as good as Turner...he does not have the same strength or speed that Turner has. I am sick of picking up RB's that just will not cut it in this offense. It will not surprise me if Dayne and Gado are not on the roster next yr. We really need to stop thinking that just because Denver can turn an unheard of RB into somebody that we will do the same. This yr has been a good example that we...ARE NOT DENVER!! So we need to go after the best available back out there. Which IMO is Turner. Enough said
Click to expand...

No one is going to argue that Turner is probally the best back available.

SD will put a tag on him, and to assume they won't is foolish. He is one of the best hidden RB's in the league and SD doesn't want to let him go. They have stated that before. He will recieve the highest tender from them which isn't much as far as money goes, but no team will give that much for him. Edge and Alexander couldn't even get a 2nd round pick.

No, we are not Denver, but yes, we use the same system and philosophy. It's not our RB's that are sucking it up right now, it's our linemen. I agree our RB's could be upgraded, but Betts has a very powerfull, quick, initial burst through the first level. That is what this system asks of a RB. Get through the first level quickly by finding the open zone.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
All the FA's that have been mentioned are the sexy picks. Coming from winning franchises and big name players. I don't think it's necessary to pick up one of those guys to get better, sure it would be nice, but looking at our D our biggest need is in the secondary and at DT. In the secondary we only need one player either at the safety or CB position not both. A ball hawking FS would make life easier for our CB's and vise versa. DT's on the other hand are always better in pairs. 1st off Payne is really getting up there in age so a replacement for him should be found second TJ just isn't living up to his potential and it doesn't look like he'll be able to reach it. So while we need upgrades at one position in the secondary both our DT's need upgrading so I would make this a priority. I would say that our best bet would be Terdell Sands of the Oakland Raiders. He's in his fifth yr. so he's still young he's currently the back-up DT, but I think he could start for us. He's 6'7'' and 335 lbs. He should be a force in the middle and tall enough to get up and bat passes down.
Click to expand...

I doubt Payne ever plays for this team again. Same for Wiergert on offense. Both are old and it will take too much for them to come back from their injuries IMO. We are thin on both lines and should go after help in both FA and the draft.

I think I've read/heard some things on Sands and he could be someone we need to target during Free Agency. My only question is, why is he still a back up after 5 years? Also, I heard (probably on this MB) that DT will be thin in this years draft, so maybe we do need to look at DT in FA a little harder. If we don't get one in FA, that means we have to get one early in the draft (1st or 2nd rd), or we'll be stuck picking up the leftovers off the street.

I would also like to see us get a DB (Clements or Samuel would be nice) and LB (Briggs or Thomas would do really nice) in FA. If you can fill one or both of these positions with a quality player, it will go a long way in helping the team and really narrow down the targets for the draft. JMHO!
 
Adalius Thomas would be sweet. He's the definition of versatile, he's lined up at pretty much every defensive position.
 
dunta23 said:
houston will have to overpay every FA for the next couple years, unless they are a home town guy, like Michael Lewis, now that would be a good pick up for the texans


i thought that lewis and dawkins were both FA after this season, or is it next season?
Click to expand...

Dawkins resigned. Lewis is a UFA after the season and is probably gone. Lost starting job. Also has not really played well for the past two seasons.
If you are looking for a reliable CB who would not break the bank and would be signable, Rod Hood of the Eagles. Also very good special team player. A better player then some might think.
 
jgl35 said:
Dawkins resigned. Lewis is a UFA after the season and is probably gone. Lost starting job. Also has not really played well for the past two seasons.
If you are looking for a reliable CB who would not break the bank and would be signable, Rod Hood of the Eagles. Also very good special team player. A better player then some might think.
Click to expand...

Good post.

I myself have not started looking too deeplying to the various FA options. I know the bigger name guys right now, but will certinaly know the rest by the time they aren't resigned. Good call on the Eagles CB.
 
Insideop said:
I doubt Payne ever plays for this team again. Same for Wiergert on offense. Both are old and it will take too much for them to come back from their injuries IMO. We are thin on both lines and should go after help in both FA and the draft.
Click to expand...
I also doubt that either of those two play. We lose nothing in Weigert as far as I'm concerned. Winston will be fine, and if we draft a real LT this year, Spencer and Winston will have a great battle for RT with the loser playing RG. That upgrades 3 positions with 1 pick. Cool huh?

Insideop said:
I think I've read/heard some things on Sands and he could be someone we need to target during Free Agency. My only question is, why is he still a back up after 5 years? Also, I heard (probably on this MB) that DT will be thin in this years draft, so maybe we do need to look at DT in FA a little harder. If we don't get one in FA, that means we have to get one early in the draft (1st or 2nd rd), or we'll be stuck picking up the leftovers off the street.
Click to expand...

Sands simply hasn't done anything with his size. He is a huge guy, but has yet to produce like he could. I don't know enough about him to call it laziness, inability, or poor coaching...but it is the Raiders, so I'll put an emphasis on all of them.

We don't have the luxury of drafting first day DT's. We have too many other holes to fill. I am ok with a starting line of Mario-Weaver-Maddox or whoever-Babin. I think that group is fine is we upgrade our LB's and DB's.

The DT talent isn't super thin, there just won't be any Okams or studs like that available on the second day. There will be plenty of solid DT's available though.

However, you know we as an organization have failed if we go into next season with Orr and Faggins as starters.
 
I dunno why you are so insistent with drafting a tackle high in the draft. Spencer was doing a good job before Dayne took him out, but regardless the guys have proven themselves at their positions. So they shouldn't be shuffled. Depending on how Spencers injury comes along we might not take a lineman the first day. Aside from that we only need depth on the interior to groom behind McKinney and Flannagan. Our line has been doing fine so far this yr. and theres no reason to think that with the starter (Spencer)coming back next yr. they won't improve.

Are you kidding me. I don't get why everybody's so down on Faggins. The guys a solid DB. However he is not our top CB he should have never been matched up on Lee. Also, our Safeties were burned badly on those passes as well. I would like a CB as well, but since our secondary has improved since he came back our defense has improved, I don't think he's the weak link in the secondary. Simmons on the other hand is easily upgraded as well as Brown's cover skills. Get a ball hawking FS and you make life easier on your CB's.

Did you watch Orr this weekend. 6 tackles and a gravity defying leap to get the sack. The guy is solid, we don't need superstars at every position. We can get by with our LB crew. Upgrades would be nice, but not 1st day expenses.

DT is one of our biggest needs. It's been discussed that stats aren't everything. Our DT's never get enough push to consider it consistent. When we run stunts they clog up the lane for the DE's. The position is so bad we play our DE's there on a regular basis to say this isn't our biggest area of concern is IMO wrong. When TJ was in he never inspired hope in me or showed streaks of being above avg. Sands may not be great, but the guy will be solid and even if we get him we still need to draft someone to pair up with him. However getting Sands or any other solid DT takes pressure off us to have to take one in the first rd. DT and FS are our biggest needs everything else is secondary.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Actually, Samuels and Briggs are likely to become FA's.

NE does not want to shell out the money to resign Samuels and many major sports outlets are reporting the same thing.

Briggs is almost garentueed out of Chicago. Chicago is going to be struggling to resign all their young defensive talent very soon. Briggs is expendable because he is overhyped. He will want more than Chicago will pay. He will be a FA.
Click to expand...

we'll see...id take that bet that both wont go anywhere though especially samuel
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top