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On tonights show they discussed whom is having the better season at this point and while both agreed it was Mario. They even admitted they would never have thought this at the beginning of the season.

But here's the catch. They still stated they would take Bush over Mario and that people need to realize that even though Bush isn't setting the world on fire and his stats are pretty bad. Then the statements of all statements. Something to the fact that we still need to understand that while Bush isn't doing much he is a decoy of sorts and defeneses and coordinators have to plan to deal with him :yikes: so this is helping the Saints win !!!!

Sheesh they just don't want to eat crow.

Oh, also he is supposed to be a monster bloker in the backfield for Duece and Brees.

B
 
spinning is just an artform

This would have been a legit situation..
we draft Bush.. N.O. took Mario.

I wonder what would be the spin.

Bush :with the Texans has no talent around him they are still with 2 wins.?

mario at N.O.? would they say Brees, Colston(m/s) and Payton are the real reason they are winning?

I honestly dont' think Mario would have gotten any praise from any team that drafted him.. Bush was the golden child.

Thing is .. isn't Lundry having a better season?

I know the kids in Indy and N.E. are having a better season than Bush
 
He probably is a decoy and defenses probably do have to be aware of him because of the talent he has, but the fact is that Reggie Bush is being outplayed by Mario Williams at this point. Reggie wasn't drafted to be a decoy. He was drafted to be a playmaker, and he's not making plays.
 
On tonights show they discussed whom is having the better season at this point and while both agreed it was Mario. They even admitted they would never have thought this at the beginning of the season.

But here's the catch. They still stated they would take Bush over Mario and that people need to realize that even though Bush isn't setting the world on fire and his stats are pretty bad. Then the statements of all statements. Something to the fact that we still need to understand that while Bush isn't doing much he is a decoy of sorts and defeneses and coordinators have to plan to deal with him :yikes: so this is helping the Saints win !!!!

Sheesh they just don't want to eat crow.

Oh, also he is supposed to be a monster bloker in the backfield for Duece and Brees.

B
Pathetic!!!! how BSpn refuses to except that they ARE NOT the sports authority on pro football and that their so call "EXPERTS" can be wrong.
 
Just wait a few more weeks for Kornheiser & Wilbon on PTI.

They usually admit when they are wrong about someone. They just dont wanna jump on the Mario bandwagon until they are absolutely sure that Bush will do nothing this year. Remember that there are 8 games left this year.
 
FYI - defenses have to also account for Deuce, Horn, and Colston as well as every other player on offense with the exception of linemen.

As far as him being a decoy ..... I guess you could say that since he's going to draw all of the criticism away from the Texans and Mario if he keeps producing like he is.
 
also I think it would help if Weaver (or whoever) had about 5 sacks also .. they could throw in Williams is the "Decoy"(seems to be the word of the season for some)
 
Something to the fact that we still need to understand that while Bush isn't doing much he is a decoy of sorts and defeneses and coordinators have to plan to deal with him :yikes: so this is helping the Saints win !!!!

Hmmm...nothing like paying a 50 million dollar decoy.
 
I never wanted Reggie Bush, for three reasons.
1)I think we needed to get rid of all the BushBowl fans
2)We're going to be DenverSouth
3)I like DD.

Reggie is not having a very good rookie season. but neither did guys like Ricky Williams, RonDayne, and LarryJohnson. Ricky & LJ have lived up to their expectations..... with the exception of Ricky's off field activities......

there is no reason to believe that Reggie won't.

I believe that Mario was the best pick for us.

I believe alot of these "experts" owe us a big apology.

But it would be stupid to call Reggie out this early in his career.
 
also I think it would help if Weaver (or whoever) had about 5 sacks also .. they could throw in Williams is the "Decoy"(seems to be the word of the season for some)

The fact that noone else on our team has 4 sacks, IMHO is even more of a testament to what Mario means to this team. just imagine if he was on a line with decent talent...... Like Anderson, Kiwanuka, Hali, or Lawson.
 
Bush IS a decoy and he DOES force defenses to account for him. Mario does the same thing though to offenses, so I dont think that is a good excuse to take Bush over Williams.
 
Bush IS a decoy and he DOES force defenses to account for him. Mario does the same thing though to offenses, so I dont think that is a good excuse to take Bush over Williams.

The ONLY reason you would take Bush over Williams is if didnt have any other pressing needs for your 1st round draft pick and you wanted to sell a bunch of jerseys & sell out your home games for the first time ever.
 
Bush IS a decoy and he DOES force defenses to account for him. Mario does the same thing though to offenses, so I dont think that is a good excuse to take Bush over Williams.

No, you can only be a 'decoy' if you are terrible and need a desperate excuse.
 
Just wait a few more weeks for Kornheiser & Wilbon on PTI.

They usually admit when they are wrong about someone. They just dont wanna jump on the Mario bandwagon until they are absolutely sure that Bush will do nothing this year. Remember that there are 8 games left this year.

About PTI, I was watching it today with Wilbon and the old guy (white hair, not Kornheiser) and behind the old one they had a picture of Mario to the right of his face in pretty good camera position every time he was talking. I'm sure most people don't even recognize him but it was nice regardless.
 
I think that it is ironic and also shows the inexact nature of the draft that the best offensive rookie on the Saints is Marques Colston even though they drafted Bush second overall and the most compelling defensive rookie on the Texans this season is DeMeco Ryans and not Mario Williams.
 
The ONLY reason you would take Bush over Williams is if didnt have any other pressing needs for your 1st round draft pick and you wanted to sell a bunch of jerseys & sell out your home games for the first time ever.

There is no good reason for taking Reggie Bush with the number 1 overall pick.

for a running back to qualify as the #1 overall, he's got to run between the tackles, and he has to have a history of carrying the ball 20+ times a game.


Period.

You will not find a running back ever taken in the top 5 that did not fit that description.

Now if Reggie was a wideReciever, it would make sense to take him with the #1 overall........ but he was not the best reciever in the draft.

the only thing that made Reggie a #1 pick was ESPN's hype machine, and the fact that they thought we had a GM dumb enough to take Reggie with the #1 overall.

LT was not taken #1 overall. Shaun Alexander, not taken with the #1 overall, Emmit...... not a #1 overall back, RonDayne, nope, Ricky Williams.... no, CedricBenson...... nope.

Reggie Bush was never, and shouldn't have ever been a #1 overall prospect.
 
I think that it is ironic and also shows the inexact nature of the draft that the best offensive rookie on the Saints is Marques Colston even though they drafted Bush second overall and the most compelling defensive rookie on the Texans this season is DeMeco Ryans and not Mario Williams.

True about DeMeco and Mario but I think it can be pretty much agreed upon that DeMeco was the more polished player from the outset. Mario is much more about raw ability and potential, and was expected to take a little longer developing.

Now the irony about Bush and Colston..Nevermind, words just won't do it justice.

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I'm sure ESPN will have no problem playing Mario's highlights when he develops into a big name player on a dominant defense that's winning games. Networks are all about the money, and winning games with big plays is what sells. Mario (and this team) have a long way to go before they're at that point, but I see the potential in our future.
 
I think that it is ironic and also shows the inexact nature of the draft that the best offensive rookie on the Saints is Marques Colston even though they drafted Bush second overall and the most compelling defensive rookie on the Texans this season is DeMeco Ryans and not Mario Williams.
The irony as you call it is much more drammatic for Colston. While DeMeco was a very high pick and as the first taken in the second round, nearly a first rounder himself like Williams and Bush, Colston actually was nearly an undrafted rookie FA. He wasn't even among the regular 32 picks of the 7th
and last round, but was taken by the Sainsts as a "Supplemental Compensatory Selection".
So he did in fact almost go totally undrafted yet he very possibly could be the most outstanding, and at the very least one of the most outstanding rookies goning into the NFL in 2006.
 
I saw a stat on ESPN where they compared Colston and Bush in total combined yards. They both had 700 but Bush's were accumulated in rushing yards, receiving yards, and return yards while Colston's yards were all receiving.

I was thinking in my head how do you inflate someones numbers like that? I have never seen it happen before on ESPN. Less than 250 of those yards are rushing too (I dont know the exact number). It is rediculous.

An average punt returner will get what something like 7 yards per return. Say he returns 4 punts a game. Thats 28 yards per game on just returns, and that is probably less than the average punt returner gets per game. In 8 games that is 224 yards. I really dont know how many return yards Reggie has. Those are like gimme stats that ESPN gives Bush to inflate his numbers.

Then today, they are talking about Reggie and Sean Salistupid(sp?, no, actually I think this is the right spelling) and Trey Wingo are saying that Reggie looks for the homerun every play and that he needs to get the small amount of yards because "he is too good to not break one eventually". Dude has had 8 games and hasn't even scored a touchdown from the line of scrimmage yet. Anyway, Salistupid had this segment on ESPN saying that he is here to assure us that Reggie Bush will have a spectacular 2nd half of the season, as if we are worried about him.

Bush is the adopted son of ESPN. They will kiss his feet until the day he dies.

P.S. What is going to piss us Texans fans off even more is when Mario establishes himself as a dominant player in the NFL, ESPN will jump on him, praising him. ESPN is more flip-flop than John Kerry.
 
I saw a stat on ESPN where they compared Colston and Bush in total combined yards. They both had 700 but Bush's were accumulated in rushing yards, receiving yards, and return yards while Colston's yards were all receiving.

I was thinking in my head how do you inflate someones numbers like that? I have never seen it happen before on ESPN. Less than 250 of those yards are rushing too (I dont know the exact number). It is rediculous.

An average punt returner will get what something like 7 yards per return. Say he returns 4 punts a game. Thats 28 yards per game on just returns, and that is probably less than the average punt returner gets per game. In 8 games that is 224 yards. I really dont know how many return yards Reggie has. Those are like gimme stats that ESPN gives Bush to inflate his numbers.

Then today, they are talking about Reggie and Sean Salistupid(sp?, no, actually I think this is the right spelling) and Trey Wingo are saying that Reggie looks for the homerun every play and that he needs to get the small amount of yards because "he is too good to not break one eventually". Dude has had 8 games and hasn't even scored a touchdown from the line of scrimmage yet. Anyway, Salistupid had this segment on ESPN saying that he is here to assure us that Reggie Bush will have a spectacular 2nd half of the season, as if we are worried about him.

Bush is the adopted son of ESPN. They will kiss his feet until the day he dies.

P.S. What is going to piss us Texans fans off even more is when Mario establishes himself as a dominant player in the NFL, ESPN will jump on him, praising him. ESPN is more flip-flop than John Kerry.

FWIW, Bush stats:

81 rushes, 207 yds, 2.6 avg, 0TDs
46 recep, 312 yds, 6.8 avg, 0TDs
17 PR, 181 yds, 10.6 avg, 1 TD

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/index.asp

Pretty weak numbers for a position which has one of the easiest learning curves in the NFL...especially for the second-coming of Payton/Sanders/LT all wrapped into one. RB is one of the few positions that is drafted and expected to be able to greatly contribute immediately. He is obviously NOT doing that.

His team is a good one, good Oline, the other RB is effective...it's all on him. Quite simply and w/out argument: Bush is not living up to expectations...and IMO, it's b/c he isn't all that. ESPN is the only thing that made him all that in most people's eyes.
 
FWIW, Bush stats:

81 rushes, 207 yds, 2.6 avg, 0TDs
46 recep, 312 yds, 6.8 avg, 0TDs
17 PR, 181 yds, 10.6 avg, 1 TD

Wes Welker OWNS Reggie Bush.

Reggie Bush is 9th in the league in Punt Return Yardage, Welker is 8th. But check this out.

41 recep, 407 yds, 9.9 avg, 1 TD
18 PR, 184 yds, 10.2 avg, 0 TD
28 KR, 589 yds, 21.0 avg, 0 TD

1180 all purpose yards to 700 all purpose yards.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 
I find it interesting that the Saints fans are now comparing him to Eric Metcalf. I was using the Metcalf comparison long before the NFL draft as an argument not to draft Bush when some here were comparing him to Barry Sanders, Gayle Sayers, etc.

Metcalf was a great comodity to have if you could afford him but we obviously could not as I mentioned in this thread below.

http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2432
 
P.S. What is going to piss us Texans fans off even more is when Mario establishes himself as a dominant player in the NFL, ESPN will jump on him, praising him. ESPN is more flip-flop than John Kerry.

Nope. If Mario Williams becomes a dominant player in the NFL, I won't be pissed off at all if ESPN worships him. I will be the happiest person in the entire land and will stand on a mountain top singing "All your base are belong to us" while doing a happy dance.

:whip:

The NFL is oft a violent, injurious crap shoot.
 
Well, they do know that you have to be considered a "threat" first before you can be considered a "decoy" right? :brickwall
 
I never wanted Reggie Bush, for three reasons.
1)I think we needed to get rid of all the BushBowl fans
2)We're going to be DenverSouth
3)I like DD.

Reggie is not having a very good rookie season. but neither did guys like Ricky Williams, RonDayne, and LarryJohnson. Ricky & LJ have lived up to their expectations..... with the exception of Ricky's off field activities......

there is no reason to believe that Reggie won't.

I believe that Mario was the best pick for us.

I believe alot of these "experts" owe us a big apology.

But it would be stupid to call Reggie out this early in his career.
Acctually, there is reason to belive Reggie wont ever live up to his billing as a running back. Both LJ and Ricky are very physical runners who run up the middle, break tackles, etc. Reggie has very few people to compare with in the NFL, he is the scrambling Qb of the running back position, a great athelet who seems to have more ability then everybody else, but it never translates to his production. Bottom line, you cant be effective as a runner if every play is a sweep or you bounce it to the outside, just like you cant be effective as a QB if you cant complete passes from the pocket when the defense takes everything else away.
 
I wanna know what the average 40 time of the defenders of each team Reggie played against in the Pac-10. Then I wanna know what the average 40 time of the defenders on each team the Saints play this year. You can't run around these NFL players like you did against those Pac-10 players Reggie. A matchup against the Giants is different than Oregon State.

Honestly...I think that if Reggie had played on an ACC team, he would have had much less yards than he did with USC, but I think he would have been more prepared for the NFL. Pac-10 IMO is one of the weakest conferences.
 
I have heard of using a decoy for one game, but never for a full season. Or even half a season at that. All this decoy talk is dumb. Bottom line is Bush has not produced like alot of people dreamed he would.
 
I wanna know what the average 40 time of the defenders of each team Reggie played against in the Pac-10. Then I wanna know what the average 40 time of the defenders on each team the Saints play this year. You can't run around these NFL players like you did against those Pac-10 players Reggie. A matchup against the Giants is different than Oregon State.

Honestly...I think that if Reggie had played on an ACC team, he would have had much less yards than he did with USC, but I think he would have been more prepared for the NFL. Pac-10 IMO is one of the weakest conferences.

It's not about 40 times.

You can run a 4.28 40, and I can run a 4.94 40, but that doesn't mean that you'll get past me on a football field. If I'm good at judging your speed, and take the appropriate angle, it will be very difficult for you to get past me. Especially if I've got 4 guys on my side of the field with the same skills..... & if you are afraid of contact, and will try to adjust your route, or "cutback", that will help me & my 4 man crew keep you from getting the 5 or 6 yards/carry that your speed almost guarantees.

The problem with the weaker conferences, isn't just the speed of the players. It's most likely the skills being taught, and the application of what they are being taught.
 
It's just a mockery, IMO, for a guy like Bush to get paid like he is and he's a great "decoy."

That's a huge slap in the face of Colston who sat there not even knowing if he'd be drafted at all.

If Bush was "The Pick of all Picks" and he's the greatest ever, then why didn't the Saints dump Deuce to another team for extra picks or players...and therefore show it in a very real way.

Come on guys, make your No. 1 pick the bonified starter and let's see what he looks like NOT as a decoy, but as the real running back for your team.

The media has opened the door in their face (once again) and they're putting the bandage of "He's a great decoy" on that busted nose of theirs.

Our guy is producing. The other guy is not.

Seems like simple math to me.
 
It's just a mockery, IMO, for a guy like Bush to get paid like he is and he's a great "decoy."

That's a huge slap in the face of Colston who sat there not even knowing if he'd be drafted at all.

If Bush was "The Pick of all Picks" and he's the greatest ever, then why didn't the Saints dump Deuce to another team for extra picks or players...and therefore show it in a very real way.

Come on guys, make your No. 1 pick the bonified starter and let's see what he looks like NOT as a decoy, but as the real running back for your team.

The media has opened the door in their face (once again) and they're putting the bandage of "He's a great decoy" on that busted nose of theirs.

Our guy is producing. The other guy is not.

Seems like simple math to me.

I would actually like to see rookies get paid at the minimum salary for their draft position for 1 year. Then after that 1 year they get to negotiate their first contract with the team that drafted them. That way, their NFL potential has been judged, not their college potential.

It is unfair for guys who have been in the league for 10 years to be paid less than a decoy running back.
 
It's just a mockery, IMO, for a guy like Bush to get paid like he is and he's a great "decoy."

That's a huge slap in the face of Colston who sat there not even knowing if he'd be drafted at all.

If Bush was "The Pick of all Picks" and he's the greatest ever, then why didn't the Saints dump Deuce to another team for extra picks or players...and therefore show it in a very real way.

Come on guys, make your No. 1 pick the bonified starter and let's see what he looks like NOT as a decoy, but as the real running back for your team.

The media has opened the door in their face (once again) and they're putting the bandage of "He's a great decoy" on that busted nose of theirs.

Our guy is producing. The other guy is not.

Seems like simple math to me.


Yeah, and the Saints painted themselves into the corner of releasing or trading McCallister within two seasons.
 
Hmmm...nothing like paying a 50 million dollar decoy.

He must be like one of those decoys with the spinning wings and a little prop for it to move around in the water.

I used to have a couple of those but don't remember paying more than $50 for them not $50,000,000.:shades:
 
I would actually like to see rookies get paid at the minimum salary for their draft position for 1 year. Then after that 1 year they get to negotiate their first contract with the team that drafted them. That way, their NFL potential has been judged, not their college potential.

It is unfair for guys who have been in the league for 10 years to be paid less than a decoy running back.

That's funny you say that. I had cut out about 75% of my original post, which contained that very scenario.

1. Top 10 draft picks (overall) get paid the highest rookie base salary. But because of the new rookie re-negotiation week at week eight (see below) there would be no more $50 million "men" who get a huge payday for doing nothing. The current system of paying that much money to a rookie is absurd and has spiraled downward to the point of being a very archaic and antiquated system. It's appalling, IMO. We need to start low, and then build up higher after the player(s) hit week eight of the regular season.

2. Everyone else in the draft (after the Top 10 picks overall) is on a very gradual decrease from there on out. This way, there is still incentive to be at the top of your draft class. Keeping Top 10 salaries higher than the rest of the rookies helps to sustain the hype of who's moving up the board and who's moving down the board, etc. It keeps a certain "prestige" in place...allowing us to banter about who's better than everyone else, and it allows room for error when there's 1-to-5 (or more) potential "top guys" in the draft. This way, you know that being No. 1 overall is just as good as being No. 10--Face it, an NFL team should DESIRE to pick number 1 because they want a guy that might be gone by the time it fell to them...instead, we get NOBODY wanting to trade up to get Reggie Bush because they don't want to pay big money for him AND pay with compensatory draft picks to move up. This helps teams to be able to jockey up to the front of the draft because now the salary risk is not so high--You can live with giving up a draft pick here and there, but adding the extra weight of a bloated rookie's salary for such a move is the silver bullet IMO.

3. After week eight of the season, each NFL team and the agents of their rookie players enter into re-negotiation based upon certain criteria such as (A) Snaps taken (B) Stats up to that point, including a grade against other rookies in similar positions and/or the entire league itself. So the agent of a player like Colston knows that at week eight his player is getting a better contract due to his players' performance. The structure of rookie salaries wold be handled by (A) NFL ownership and (B) NFLPA. They would hammer out how to make it a mutually beneficial relationship for all involved. What that looks like (in my minds eye) is difficult to articulate, but I would think it could be structured fairly across the board. I think Veterans desire to see that the youngsters earn their way up the food chain. And I think ownership desires to see that they can re-distribute their currently bloated rookie salaries to more veteran players who have truly earned it.

I know there's a lot ot this idea, and it has a lot of pitfalls and head-scratching moments.

There just has to be a way to stop the insanity of rookies being able to Ryan Leaf their way to a huge bonus and never really even play the game at all.

I think it would put the NFL that much farther ahead of other professional sports if they would tighten up the rookie salaries and make it a privilege again to be a rookie in a pro sports league.

For al of the NBA's troubles...I think they are gaining ground on the NFL in recent years. They are building momentum. They have a commissioner who doesn't jack around, and he gets things the way he wants them.
 
Well, they do know that you have to be considered a "threat" first before you can be considered a "decoy" right? :brickwall

See, that's what's happening: Bush was perceived to be a threat in the first few weeks, so you saw teams practically putting all 11 men on him, or in his direction, and the Saints were rolling early.

Now, as time wears on...they won't put as much coverage or focus on him.

And even when he begins to get the ball in future games, as the focus is no longer on him, he still won't be producing.

They played him as decoy and he's never really been battle-tested at all.

We threw our guy (Mario) out there from day one, saying "This our starter. This is our guy."

Now, he's beginning to hit his stride. And Bush? Well, he's mired in mediocrity because they don't NEED him to do anything. They have a good back, a good QB, and a good set of WRs that are doing the job.

Bush, at some point, is going to get fed up and demand a trade...or demand that Deuce gets traded. It's going to be good TV.
 
I am satisfied with our Texans taking Williams with the first pick. We already have seen what his presence can do to improve our defense. Now, we need him to do it more consistently and for four quarters.
 
Maybe they'll start pulling the Subway ads that have Reggie walking up to a player, and the young player whines "I'll NEVER be a starter..."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

That's art imitating life, ain't it? LOL!!!!
 
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