This Sunday may be Carr’s last.

I’ve been a Carr supporter from day one. I backed him up this year, and seen him improve, but this Sunday may be the end of the line for him here in Houston. The Giants brutalized the Cowboys, in Dallas, and on MNF. They have a great run blocking defense, superb pass rush and a great running game. If they get out to an early lead, Carr will have to throw, and they will pin their ears back and get him. Once again our offensive line is questionable, though this time because of injuries.

I listened to every response from Carr that I could get a hold of to see where he is at mentally. I think last week rattled him too much. He sounded terribly unsure of himself and trying to convince himself to put it behind him and do better. I think he will be ineffective, because he will be worried about coughing up the ball and not throwing picks. So worried, that it makes him timid and he will take extra sacks. This game, on the road, against a tough team will be defining moment in his career. If he is benched again, which is very possible, his days in Houston are most certainly numbered.

I actually feel bad for the guy. I think he will give it 110% this Sunday, but it may not be enough and his career in Houston may soon be over.

I want the Texans to win too, so… Go Carr! Go Texans!!!

This Sunday may be Carr’s last.

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is that a threat?

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I’ve been a Carr supporter from day one. I backed him up this year, and seen him improve, but this Sunday may be the end of the line for him here in Houston. The Giants brutalized the Cowboys, in Dallas, and on MNF. They have a great run blocking defense, superb pass rush and a great running game. If they get out to an early lead, Carr will have to throw, and they will pin their ears back and get him. Once again our offensive line is questionable, though this time because of injuries.

I listened to every response from Carr that I could get a hold of to see where he is at mentally. I think last week rattled him too much. He sounded terribly unsure of himself and trying to convince himself to put it behind him and do better. I think he will be ineffective, because he will be worried about coughing up the ball and not throwing picks. So worried, that it makes him timid and he will take extra sacks. This game, on the road, against a tough team will be defining moment in his career. If he is benched again, which is very possible, his days in Houston are most certainly numbered.

I actually feel bad for the guy. I think he will give it 110% this Sunday, but it may not be enough and his career in Houston may soon be over.

I want the Texans to win too, so… Go Carr! Go Texans!!!

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You might want to inform head coach Gary Kubiak of this. I don't think he knows it yet.

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I’ve been a Carr supporter from day one. I backed him up this year, and seen him improve, but this Sunday may be the end of the line for him here in Houston. The Giants brutalized the Cowboys, in Dallas, and on MNF. They have a great run blocking defense, superb pass rush and a great running game. If they get out to an early lead, Carr will have to throw, and they will pin their ears back and get him. Once again our offensive line is questionable, though this time because of injuries.


I want the Texans to win too, so… Go Carr! Go Texans!!!

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David Carr is our QB for the remainder of this year, if not further. I don't know how much clearer Kubiak can be about that.

It doesn't matter what the Giants do, as long as Carr does what Kubiak tells him to do, he is our starter.

Dallas OL is a big weakness they did not want to see. Parcells knows more than anyone that if you're going to ride Bledsoe to the Superbowl, then QB protection is paramount. the Giants wrecking that line isn't as impressive to me as it is to most people.

I feel the same way about Dallas run game.... until they consistently put up good rushing numbers against the Panthers, The Ravens, the Broncos, etc.... I won't believe that JJ is the best rusher in the league........ I won't believe he is even close.

He's gotten most of his yardage agains teams that give up lots of rushing yards.

Excellent post ! I gotta agree with you, because going to NY to play the
Giants is just bad timing for DCs "comeback game".
It would really help Carr if he had a less formidable defense to go up against
this Sunday. But I'm not sure about playing away ?
The way things are for him now, if he screws-up in Reliant, local fans would probably boo him mercilessly. In NY they will cheer if he makes a mistake.
But this has gotta be tough for Dave. You know his psyche has already gotta be traumatized from this whole ordeal.
I dunno, I don't have any idea what's gonna happen Sunday ? But it might not be very pretty.

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You know his psyche has already gotta be traumatized from this whole ordeal.

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I think that's a little extreme....

Rightnow said:

I’ve been a Carr supporter from day one. I backed him up this year, and seen him improve, but this Sunday may be the end of the line for him here in Houston. The Giants brutalized the Cowboys, in Dallas, and on MNF. They have a great run blocking defense, superb pass rush and a great running game. If they get out to an early lead, Carr will have to throw, and they will pin their ears back and get him. Once again our offensive line is questionable, though this time because of injuries.

I listened to every response from Carr that I could get a hold of to see where he is at mentally. I think last week rattled him too much. He sounded terribly unsure of himself and trying to convince himself to put it behind him and do better. I think he will be ineffective, because he will be worried about coughing up the ball and not throwing picks. So worried, that it makes him timid and he will take extra sacks. This game, on the road, against a tough team will be defining moment in his career. If he is benched again, which is very possible, his days in Houston are most certainly numbered.

I actually feel bad for the guy. I think he will give it 110% this Sunday, but it may not be enough and his career in Houston may soon be over.

I want the Texans to win too, so… Go Carr! Go Texans!!!

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I don't feel sorry for him. Produce or else. Enough coddling. We pay money to get fired up about watching a local team win for the city. I think his dad ruined him. Made him think too much out there.

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I don't feel sorry for him. Produce or else. Enough coddling. We pay money to get fired up about watching a local team win for the city. I think his dad ruined him. Made him think too much out there.

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LOL! Now we're blaming his dad? Did you forget the after that?

everybody on this board is doubting "ARE" team, i got faith that there is a chance that we can win, all im gonna say at this point is "ANY GIVEN SUNDAY"

GO TEXANS

You know, I kinda agree here that he may be rattled. It really shouldn't matter that it's the "Giants" as most teams in this league are pretty good and have good defenses. You really can't say "well, it's the Giants after all, they are good." No, we just can't have that. We need to beat teams no matter what. Carr has a lot of good weapons and even though we don't have a great offensive line, they are playing beyond themselves and their talent. I give Rosenfels as much credit for his comeback as Carr did the second half of the Indy game, so to me there isn't much to go on. But it is hugely important that Carr have a good game and not make mental mistakes.

David Carr is officially on notice.

First of all, benching him might have traumatized him for the moment, but it will only make a guy like him better. He is a fighter, and he totally respects Kubiak, and Kubiak respects him, and it will help him.

Second, Kubiak isn't going to "fire" Carr because the Giants are a great team and get to him. And if they do, and he puts in Sage, they will get to him too. I don't feel we have a mature enough team that can protect any qb right now against the Giants the way they have been playing. But stranger things have happened. I've seen them many times in past years come together when the odds were totally against it and that was with capers, So, with Kubiak, the skies the limit.

Whether anyone likes it or not, Carr is here for the season for sure. He might trade them in and out, but he is not taking his job away from him. He has said so.

I watched the weather this morning and as of today it is supposed to be snowing in New York this weekend. Uhhhh....Could it get any worse?

Let's not get too carried away. Playing a team as well balanced as the Giants is a great game for Carr to come back and prove his worth to the team. If he was coming back against scrubs like the Buffalo Bills this year, he would have a great game maybe, but it wouldn't prove that he is buckeled down enough to play with the Big Boys.
Coming back against New York, in New York, has him having to show his mettle against the big boys right away, which I think is better than getting overconfident against a sub-par team.
If Carr can play well against the Giants, win or lose, then he will have proven that he needs to remain the starter and the QB to build our offense around. Our offense has gone downhill since the placement of Davis on the IR. I think Carr was counting on Davis to be there this year, and still has not compensated for that. Just my .

OrangeCountyTexansFan said:

Let's not get too carried away. Playing a team as well balanced as the Giants is a great game for Carr to come back and prove his worth to the team. If he was coming back against scrubs like the Buffalo Bills this year, he would have a great game maybe, but it wouldn't prove that he is buckeled down enough to play with the Big Boys.
Coming back against New York, in New York, has him having to show his mettle against the big boys right away, which I think is better than getting overconfident against a sub-par team.
If Carr can play well against the Giants, win or lose, then he will have proven that he needs to remain the starter and the QB to build our offense around. Our offense has gone downhill since the placement of Davis on the IR. I think Carr was counting on Davis to be there this year, and still has not compensated for that. Just my .

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Yes. This is the perfect test for Carr. If he shines in NY, he is most likely the QB of the future for the Texans. If he falls apart, he is most likely done.

Like I said, this game may be the biggest of Carr's professional career, and a defining moment.

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David Carr is our QB for the remainder of this year, if not further. I don't know how much clearer Kubiak can be about that.

It doesn't matter what the Giants do, as long as Carr does what Kubiak tells him to do, he is our starter.

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I agree. Kubiak will start Carr for the rest of the season to evaluate what he has in this QB. The future of Kubiak's plans for this team depend on his confidence in the QB position, and he has to know what Carr is all about before this season is over.

I think Carr is still on the hot seat for potential benching should his play go south during a game, but I will not be surprised if Carr starts every game this season in spite of his performances. This was never going to be a winning season, so Kubiak needs to use it for evaluating key positions on the team.

I can't even begin to predict what we'll see from Carr this weekend, although I think protecting the ball will be his top priority. The Giants will send it, so hope the rest of the offense steps up, protects the QB, and makes the plays they have to make.

I don't foresee Carr having a great game one way or the other, just because of who we are playing. We just need to watch how he responds in critical situations. If we lose the game..... what did you expect? We will have to dissect his gameplay.

The only thing I am watching for is his ball control in the pocket. That is what everyone is concerned about. We know he can throw the deep ball. We know he can go through progression better than last year. We have seen improvement in many aspects of his game. The only concern is that the boy still doesn't know how to hold onto the ball and feel the pressure!

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I think that's a little extreme....

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First, I agree with a lot of your posts, but I'm not too sure about this one-why? Since day one, for whatever reason, I've felt like Carr has been treated by the team like his 'feelings' are walking on 'egg shells.' IMO, this started when it became public that Capers had to explain to David why the Texans drafted Dave Ragone, so Carr would not get the 'wrong idea.'

Then, Kubiak benches Carr on Sunday, but turns around on Monday and almost 'trips' over himself to tell the whole world that Carr is the 'man,' aks the 'franchise.' JMO, but this Monday scenario kinda 'negated' the purpose/anticipated effect/outcome of benching Carr in the first place---almost like Gary was saying, "I'm sorry, David. I shouldn't have benched you...' ...what was up with that?

Like other posters have stated, I believe Sunday's game is going to be a tough one for David. For starters, this game is a 'huge' challenge for Kubiak to devise an 'effective' game plan that a) not only gives the Texans a chance to win but also b) puts Carr in a position to succeed. JMO, but I don't think there is any 'middle' ground in this game for David, where he doesn't play that 'great' or that 'bad.'

By Kubiak saying on many occasions-- how David 'goes,' the team 'goes-the fans should expect to see our 'franchise' QB play like one on Sunday. If not, IMO, we've got a 'credibility' problem and the fans are back to 'square one' wondering 'WHEN' Carr is going to 'finally' be the 'man.'

Tough as 'nails?' Physically, almost like 'superman' but--for Carr, it's his 'mental' game IMO that is the problem... :brickwall

Friendly NY Giant fan here. Who has the stronger arm? Carr or Sage? The reason I'm asking is the winds at the Meadowlands can be brutal and if your starter is a soft tosser, expect to see a lot of picks....if I remember correctly, everbody in Miami loved Sage...for a few games. In my opinion, drafting Mario ahead of one of the QB's could haunt your team for years...forget Reggie...he's going to end up being a bust. Here's to a clean and safe game...good luck to you guys/gals.

TexansLucky13 said:

I don't foresee Carr having a great game one way or the other, just because of who we are playing. We just need to watch how he responds in critical situations. If we lose the game..... what did you expect? We will have to dissect his gameplay.

The only thing I am watching for is his ball control in the pocket. That is what everyone is concerned about. We know he can throw the deep ball. We know he can go through progression better than last year. We have seen improvement in many aspects of his game. The only concern is that the boy still doesn't know how to hold onto the ball and feel the pressure!

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I think in New York that only God can help him! Maybe he can become Half God like Chad. LOL

GIANTD86 said:

Friendly NY Giant fan here. Who has the stronger arm? Carr or Sage? The reason I'm asking is the winds at the Meadowlands can be brutal and if your starter is a soft tosser, expect to see a lot of picks....if I remember correctly, everbody in Miami loved Sage...for a few games. In my opinion, drafting Mario ahead of one of the QB's could haunt your team for years...forget Reggie...he's going to end up being a bust. Here's to a clean and safe game...good luck to you guys/gals.

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David has a stronger arm.

I agree with your sentiments on Reggie, but I think we are good at QB for a while. Whether it be Sage or Carr I am confident in both of them. Drafting two QBs within five years with the 1st pick would be kinda bad, IMO.

TexansLucky13 said:

David has a stronger arm.

I agree with your sentiments on Reggie, but I think we are good at QB for a while. Whether it be Sage or Carr I am confident in both of them. Drafting two QBs within five years with the 1st pick would be kinda bad, IMO.

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Do you think David might need a change of scenery?? I think a lot of his confidence has been diminished by the pathetic play of your OL the last few years....I think you guys are going lose this weekend but give us one hell of a game....we will, however, CRUSH the Bears and the Cowpatties, in my opinion the Great State of Texas has only 1 team..the Texans....

GIANTD86 said:

Friendly NY Giant fan here. Who has the stronger arm? Carr or Sage? The reason I'm asking is the winds at the Meadowlands can be brutal and if your starter is a soft tosser, expect to see a lot of picks....if I remember correctly, everbody in Miami loved Sage...for a few games. In my opinion, drafting Mario ahead of one of the QB's could haunt your team for years...forget Reggie...he's going to end up being a bust. Here's to a clean and safe game...good luck to you guys/gals.

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Welcome aboard! Here's to a safe and successful game.

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Do you think David might need a change of scenery?? I think a lot of his confidence has been diminished by the pathetic play of your OL the last few years....I think you guys are going lose this weekend but give us one hell of a game....we will, however, CRUSH the Bears and the Cowpatties, in my opinion the Great State of Texas has only 1 team..the Texans....

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Thanks for that. That's how we feel too, but then we are a little biased. I hope ya'll smash the cowgirls....

I am a david carr fan have been since day one also but this paast weekend was horrble hopefully he wont have anything agaisnt rosenfels GO TEXANS!!!! GO DAVID CARR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I personally think Carr will rebound from last week. Now whether it's out of spite, or invigored spirit, will determine if it's short lived or not.

I'm more worried about whether kubiak plays it safe again before the half and then comes up with another excuse why he dint run a 2 minute offense and try to score AGAIN. I personally have my own oppinion about carr and kubiak, I think Kubiak allready decided to get rid of carr after this season. and every time he shows david he doesnt trust him to run the offense in key situations, he is eroding carr's chances of pulling out of this. why else would you not EVER run a 2 min drill and try to score before the half? he plain doesnt trust carr. sage is his insurance for next year so he can groom his shiny new high draft pick QB the way he wants. I think he had to keep Carr upfront to get the head coach job, but is planning as we speak how to replace him after the season ends badly. I'm sorry but kubiak is a contradiction waiting to happen. he says one thing and does the opposite time and time again.

The way david Carr responds , is not just about one game . If he shows against the Giants and stinks against the Jaguars we're still in the same boat.

He was benched to teach him that he to is accountable for his mistakes . Gary Walker probably clutched his chest saying " good lord Carr is actually going to sit " .

Honoring Earl 34 said:

The way david Carr responds , is not just about one game . If he shows against the Giants and stinks against the Jaguars we're still in the same boat.

He was benched to teach him that he to is accountable for his mistakes . Gary Walker probably clutched his chest saying " good lord Carr is actually going to sit " .

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Exactly!!!

I think Carr will have to make short strong passes (due to wind) to Moulds, TE's and backs. I would use AJ mostly as a decoy & hope Giants over react to that side opening up Moulds. I think a draw play could be very successful. I think field goals can keep us in game. I think we might make an interception or two. Win? Maybe.

Do you think Carr is being 'semi - setup?'

Could this game against the Giants be the catalyst to make a change? I mean, if you do start Sage, then you have a QB controversy. If David starts and underperforms, you just simply make a move and there is no decision.

The problem IMHO is this - most people are stat people. They like stats, they like numbers, they like 'performances.' However, there are those out there who can 'see' things a little differently, they can 'see' momentum shift, they can 'feel' things turn, and they can just 'know' things in a game. It's very similar to p0rn0graph'y' - you can't define it but you know it when you see it.

Forget the TD's, forget the throws themselves, forget the completion %, forget Carr's performance, forget his turnovers - heck, look at Carr's best game as a pro, if you'd like. The thing is - you can 'see', 'sense' something better in the footwork, the reads, the 'feel' of the game with Sage. There's just something about seeing him 'feel' the game and 'read' the defense with an idea of what he's trying to accomplish - what the moment needs to be successful. I always get nervous when Carr drops back, throws, etc... I don't really know why - it's just a gut feel...and I like David.

When I say feel, I mean this - David can run a 4.7-ish 40 but doesn't seem to 'feel' when to run. He's got a good arm, but can't seem to 'feel' what to do when things break down, he's got good mobility but can't seem to get his feet to move the correct way...like a dancer.

Seeing Sage backpedal was a gorgeous thing to watch - a simple backpedal. Why? Because the pocket dictated a backpedal and Sage backpedaled. The pocket dictated WHAT to do and the QB DID that. I found that fascinating. Andre's slant dictated the ball be high, so the ball was thrown high. The pressure at the goalline dictated that the ball be thrown with only his arm and without a step, so that's what he did. Sage is NOT a great QB by the standard definition but he does what he's supposed to do - kinda like Brees.

In all honesty, maybe that's all we need. If Carr underperforms this week in NY, do you pull him for the next game? Not with anger or resentment but without passion or prejudice - do you make a move at that position for the betterment of the team despite the money or how you feel about Carr?

Just a thought....

DRAMA said:

Do you think Carr is being 'semi - setup?'

Could this game against the Giants be the catalyst to make a change? I mean, if you do start Sage, then you have a QB controversy. If David starts and underperforms, you just simply make a move and there is no decision.

The problem IMHO is this - most people are stat people. They like stats, they like numbers, they like 'performances.' However, there are those out there who can 'see' things a little differently, they can 'see' momentum shift, they can 'feel' things turn, and they can just 'know' things in a game. It's very similar to p0rn0graph'y' - you can't define it but you know it when you see it.

Forget the TD's, forget the throws themselves, forget the completion %, forget Carr's performance, forget his turnovers - heck, look at Carr's best game as a pro, if you'd like. The thing is - you can 'see', 'sense' something better in the footwork, the reads, the 'feel' of the game with Sage. There's just something about seeing him 'feel' the game and 'read' the defense with an idea of what he's trying to accomplish - what the moment needs to be successful. I always get nervous when Carr drops back, throws, etc... I don't really know why - it's just a gut feel...and I like David.

When I say feel, I mean this - David can run a 4.7-ish 40 but doesn't seem to 'feel' when to run. He's got a good arm, but can't seem to 'feel' what to do when things break down, he's got good mobility but can't seem to get his feet to move the correct way...like a dancer.

Seeing Sage backpedal was a gorgeous thing to watch - a simple backpedal. Why? Because the pocket dictated a backpedal and Sage backpedaled. The pocket dictated WHAT to do and the QB DID that. I found that fascinating. Andre's slant dictated the ball be high, so the ball was thrown high. The pressure at the goalline dictated that the ball be thrown with only his arm and without a step, so that's what he did. Sage is NOT a great QB by the standard definition but he does what he's supposed to do - kinda like Brees.

In all honesty, maybe that's all we need. If Carr underperforms this week in NY, do you pull him for the next game? Not with anger or resentment but without passion or prejudice - do you make a move at that position for the betterment of the team despite the money or how you feel about Carr?

Just a thought....

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Excellent post!

Well its going to be a very rough week for Carr with Strahan and the other DE ayamanura or how ever its spelled causing havoc.

Napa Auto Parts said:

Well its going to be a very rough week for Carr with Strahan and the other DE ayamanura or how ever its spelled causing havoc.

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I think a Giant fan said Umenyoira(sp) isn't playing...

I think Kiwi is getting the start

This whole David Carr debate is tired, but I still have rant...

There are possibly two things going on this season. With all the insane unqualified thinking going on in differnt boards, I am going to throw my insane unqualifed thinking in too. This what could be going on:

1. The rookie draft class is doing great. But I believe Carr was the first pick by Kubiak, not Mario. And if we needed a quarterback do you think we would have drafted Vince Young, Sage Rosenfels, or Jay Cutler. Think about that for a little bit. Probably Jay.

Unless Kubiak is wanting to draft a QB this season, sees one he likes from last year, and Sage is just an inbetween QB to prove Carr is worthless. He must want to get an offensive line going and then get a QB going that could be the likes of a Hall of Famer. But still, what QB coming out of this draft will Kubaik think is better than taking Jay Cutler, sitting him a year while the new rookie OL guys maturing, and come out firing on all cylinders with a better O-line and a rookie QB that got a chance to mature like Carson Palmer. Does Kubiak really think that complicatedly? Is he hoping Carr or Sage can just last for 2 seasons to grow his own QB?

Thats still a little bit of a stretch, but maybe. But if Carr is pulled, and then Sage is starting against the Bills, gets a good game under his bealt, and then starts playing well agianst Indy and Jax, that would be a mastermind setup for Sage by Kubiak.

2. Kubiak is going to make sure Carr wins and does good, but also isnt afraid to cut him. Kubiak wants his first pick this offseason to prove Kubiaks worth and add to a legacy Kubiak wants to have. Turnaround a spoiled QB to win the SB.

This is a plan of his to bring Carr into a game against a good NFL team to play his best and prove his worth. Could not be better. Do you want him to prove his worth against the Bills or some other scrub team? No, prove your worth against a playoff caliber team. This is your chance Carr to put it all together.

I think Carr has shone flashes of that this season against some of the teams played early on and proved he is making progress. Though this time he has to shine, not flash.

I think the second one is going on, though.

I think Carr will play good against the Giants. He may have a turnover, but not like last game. Giants are just a better team. He will play solid though. He aint going to come out like a Brady and spoil Manning.

If the team, and the entire teams puts forth an equal effort to win, we can win. We have to play good, smart fb, get maybe a turnover, and we can win. Maybe a corner can get an interception...sounds nice. And Tiki used to be a fumbler...maybe one of those too for Christmas.... and score off turnovers

NY has its share of problems lurking in the shadows. 1. Players think the coach is incompetent, 2. Sometimes they dont get along 3. Sometimes they cant pull it together as a team, 4. sometimes the QB makes errors. The last three affect any team but that first one is a real weakness. Ask any 2-14 team. We could get lucky and NY implodes against us.

Lets just hope we win with Carr and continue to win with Carr. I dont know a QB that has had it worse in this league. It doesnt matter who the QB is when we get the W.

And that refreshing feeling with Sage is because we have seen David screw up big, and know that he could screw up big. We have never seen Sage screw up and dont know what to expect out of him...Well there was this one time Sage did screw up and didnt get our offense to the line and killed too much time off the clock to recover the damage to win a game...but we dont count that...Its a differnt QB after all...You cant be mad if it aint Carr back there.

TexansBull said:

1. The rookie draft class is doing great. But I believe Carr was the first pick by Kubiak, not Mario. And if we needed a quarterback do you think we would have drafted Vince Young, Sage Rosenfels, or Jay Cutler. Think about that for a little bit. Probably Jay.

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I doubt it...

xtruroyaltyx said:

I doubt it...

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Before January 26, Kubiak and Shannonhan(sp) never talked about the draft or was Cutler a spur of the moment decision? They must have talked about drafting a Qb and before Kubiak was hired. Cutlers name probably came up.

TexansBull said:

Before January 26, Kubiak and Shannonhan(sp) never talked about the draft or was Cutler a spur of the moment decision? They must have talked about drafting a Qb and before Kubiak was hired. Cutlers name probably came up.

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Even had they talked about Cutler....that was with the Broncos....

If we were going to take a QB in the first rd. I don't think there is even any discussion....we would have taken Young...but that is water under the bridge...

TexansBull said:

This whole David Carr debate is tired, but I still have rant...

There are possibly two things going on this season. With all the insane unqualified thinking going on in differnt boards, I am going to throw my insane unqualifed thinking in too. This what could be going on:

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Want to know what I think??

I think Kubiak will take a win anyway he can get it, short of selling Carr out. Carr is a five year vet.... but he's also kind of a rookie. kids got talent, kids got an arm.

Every other coach, GM, fan(outside of Houston) looks at Carr as a guy who could've been a good NFL QB, had he not gone to the Houston Texans. I'm sure Gary was one of those guys.

Now CoachK is in a position to do something about it, and he is.

Alot of Carr fans say that there are a number of teams that would gladly take David Carr, and ride him all the way to the Superbowl.

What we are doing with Carr is very similar to what he'd go through no matter where he went.

just like Plummer in Denver, hasselback in Seattle, Warner in Arizona, Brooks in Oakland. You can't throw them in the game, and expect success in 7 games. Those guys are all starters, regardless how they play, especially when the whole team has many areas they need to improve. The only exception is Warner, kinda....... Warner was supposed to start all year, but Green panicked.

I'd like to think Kubiak will give Carr a year to see what he's got. In my mind, he'll be at the top of his game in that year, with very little lacking that he'd need to improve on.

In reality, Kubiak might think it will be three years before Carr will be at that level, and he'll probably treat this situation the same for the next three years.

I'm sure there are some games on our schedule that CoachK has circled as wins, and he'd like to get those.... but developing Carr is the highest priority right now.

Kubiak's not going to bench Carr after just 8 games (after this Sunday) into his head coaching tenure. He'll give him at least one year at least then he'll be evaluated. No possible way that Carr is done after 8 games.

xtruroyaltyx said:

Even had they talked about Cutler....that was with the Broncos....

If we were going to take a QB in the first rd. I don't think there is even any discussion....we would have taken Young...but that is water under the bridge...

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You might be right. But this staff also pulled one of the draft history's biggest surprise. It could be reaching but anything is possible on draft day. I think in this city it isnt up for discussion, but elsewhere it might be.

And think about, Cutler wasnt a Longhorn, and VY is a Longhorn, and Kubiak is an Aggie, and they dont like Longhorns so... <<sarcasm>>

Rightnow said:

I’ve been a Carr supporter from day one. I backed him up this year, and seen him improve, but this Sunday may be the end of the line for him here in Houston. The Giants brutalized the Cowboys, in Dallas, and on MNF. They have a great run blocking defense, superb pass rush and a great running game. If they get out to an early lead, Carr will have to throw, and they will pin their ears back and get him. Once again our offensive line is questionable, though this time because of injuries.

I listened to every response from Carr that I could get a hold of to see where he is at mentally. I think last week rattled him too much. He sounded terribly unsure of himself and trying to convince himself to put it behind him and do better. I think he will be ineffective, because he will be worried about coughing up the ball and not throwing picks. So worried, that it makes him timid and he will take extra sacks. This game, on the road, against a tough team will be defining moment in his career. If he is benched again, which is very possible, his days in Houston are most certainly numbered.

I actually feel bad for the guy. I think he will give it 110% this Sunday, but it may not be enough and his career in Houston may soon be over.

I want the Texans to win too, so… Go Carr! Go Texans!!!

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So are you saying that he will be injured or that he will be pulled?

If they had so much belief in him that they would resign him and anoint him the future of the franchise both vocally and financially (guaranteed money to Carr and passing on VY, Lineart, etc.) then why would they give up on him after only half of a season? It doesn't make sense.

The benching was due to his fumbilitis affliction this year. Pure and simple. He has been fumbling in nearly every game multiple times and Kubiak decided to send a message that enough is enough. Even though Carr has shown great progress this year he had still had a huge role in helping lose 4 of the 5 losses to date. His turnovers have been costly and some careless.

Kubiak was sick of excuses and the 'out of nowhere' benching showed the rest of the team (especially the much maligned young and improving defense) that Kubiak is gonna make Carr accountable just like he has held other players accountable. I think that is all it was. He showed up Carr pretty bad and the players got the message. Hopefully Carr steps up to the challenge or there could be some big questions this offseason....but not mid-season.

Doug from The Woodlands

p.s. I think the benching was poorly timed, personally. I am just stating why I think it was done.

xtruroyaltyx said:

I think a Giant fan said Umenyoira(sp) isn't playing...

I think Kiwi is getting the start

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We don't know how to spell his name either...that's why we call him Osi....I probably have no business commenting on your QB situation, but from an outsiders view..Carr will start the rest of the season for 1 of 2 purposes. #1: To see if he can regain this team. #2. For trade purposes. Kubiak may have decided on Sage and wants to showcase DC.

Second Honeymoon said:

Kubiak was sick of excuses and the 'out of nowhere' benching showed the rest of the team (especially the much maligned young and improving defense) that Kubiak is gonna make Carr accountable just like he has held other players accountable. I think that is all it was. He showed up Carr pretty bad and the players got the message. Hopefully Carr steps up to the challenge or there could be some big questions this offseason....but not mid-season.

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Although the benching was out of the blue to us fans, I think it was probably somethng that Kubiak had said to Carr before. And probably told him in front of the team.

I like the benching. No more coddling. No more hand holding. We're trying to re-train you but if you're not learning the lessons, you're going to sit. We don't care how much money we're paying you. It's all about performance and winning.

That's a great message to send to the team.

I think Kubiak is doing a great job so far.

And what QB's are going to be free agents next year? Kubiak might be setting things up so that all the pieces are in place and if Carr steps up, great. But if he doesn't, he can pick up a veteran QB from somewhere and go from there.

Either that or it's all about the training and development of Quinton Porter, the Future of the Texans.

Second Honeymoon said:

The benching was due to his fumbilitis affliction this year.

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Actually, SH, fumblitis is a halmark of Carr's career. I'm not doggin' the guy, but he's had 62 fumbles in 67 games. Dude has got to make protecting the football a top priority, and benching him for a bad game was a way for Kubiak to drill this message home.

Kubiak said before the season started that everyone on the team will be accountable, and he's a man of his word. He had to do it last Sunday, regardless of his own feelings, because players would sense a weakness and double standard in the head coach if he did not follow through.

Double Barrel said:

Actually, SH, fumblitis is a halmark of Carr's career. I'm not doggin' the guy, but he's had 62 fumbles in 67 games. Dude has got to make protecting the football a top priority, and benching him for a bad game was a way for Kubiak to drill this message home.

Kubiak said before the season started that everyone on the team will be accountable, and he's a man of his word. He had to do it last Sunday, regardless of his own feelings, because players would sense a weakness and double standard in the head coach if he did not follow through.

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Everyone on the team should have taken note of the move. Perfect coaching in my opinion. NO ONE is above discipline.

Double Barrel said:

Actually, SH, fumblitis is a halmark of Carr's career. I'm not doggin' the guy, but he's had 62 fumbles in 67 games. Dude has got to make protecting the football a top priority, and benching him for a bad game was a way for Kubiak to drill this message home.

Kubiak said before the season started that everyone on the team will be accountable, and he's a man of his word. He had to do it last Sunday, regardless of his own feelings, because players would sense a weakness and double standard in the head coach if he did not follow through.

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JINX ALERT JINX ALERT JINX ALERT.

Only as it relates to the dumbest fumblitis Carr has had over his career....

I don't believe he has fumbled the snap since I posted this in the NFL FanHouse and mentioned it in the Chronic blog:

"David Carr and the Reason for Mishandled Snaps"

Okay, I probably jinxed him by mentioning this, and he will do it next game.

But maybe by mentioning the jinx it becomes an unjinx unless writing this sentence reactivates the jinx.

Yes, it is weird to have my brain.

Texans_Chick said:

But maybe by mentioning the jinx it becomes an unjinx unless writing this sentence reactivates the jinx.

Yes, it is weird to have my brain.

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Yeah, it would be weird if someone had your brain. But that would explain a lot of your posts.

BA DOOM BOOM PISH!

Zank yew, zank yew. I am being heer all zee veek.

Does he have small hands, or does he just not protect the ball? It has to be one of the two right?

Texans_Chick said:

JINX ALERT JINX ALERT JINX ALERT.

Only as it relates to the dumbest fumblitis Carr has had over his career....

I don't believe he has fumbled the snap since I posted this in the NFL FanHouse and mentioned it in the Chronic blog:

"David Carr and the Reason for Mishandled Snaps"

Okay, I probably jinxed him by mentioning this, and he will do it next game.

But maybe by mentioning the jinx it becomes an unjinx unless writing this sentence reactivates the jinx.

Yes, it is weird to have my brain.

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A 'jinxed' jinx, wouldn't be a jinx...unless the mention of the jinx would jinx the "jinxed' jinx's 'jinxing' powers.

Texan Asylum said:

A 'jinxed' jinx, wouldn't be a jinx...unless the mention of the jinx would jinx the "jinxed' jinx's 'jinxing' powers.

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Jinx the what? Apparently I need a "drinx"....