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Nighthawk

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Kubiak has made it abundantly clear that "Carr's the guy" and all that, made it even clearer on his radio show that anyone who wants to see another QB on this club has a long wait. He must have taken the job with the requirement that he make Carr into a serviceable QB.

Let's change the name of the club to the David Texans, since it seems they are ready to sacrifice everything for this one player.

For years various people have been wondering why the coaches (yes, Capers, too) would not even try another QB. Some have said that they're afraid that another QB would show Carr up. Others have said "give him a chance."

I say: four and a half years is more than enough chance. I say: this is approaching a sickness.
 
I don't know how longer I can endure with this franchise. I cant stand losing, losing is not in my vocabulary. The Longhorns have spoiled me. I am starting to believe that Colt McCoy is a better fit for the Texans.
 
Nighthawk said:
Kubiak has made it abundantly clear that "Carr's the guy" and all that, made it even clearer on his radio show that anyone who wants to see another QB on this club has a long wait. He must have taken the job with the requirement that he make Carr into a serviceable QB.

Let's change the name of the club to the David Texans, since it seems they are ready to sacrifice everything for this one player.

For years various people have been wondering why the coaches (yes, Capers, too) would not even try another QB. Some have said that they're afraid that another QB would show Carr up. Others have said "give him a chance."

I say: four and a half years is more than enough chance. I say: this is approaching a sickness.
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Absolutely agree. Carr's best protection is not from his front line, it appears to be from the front office.
 
I agree. Although I can't force myself to believe Carr will keep his job if he performs like that again. Kubiak said he could win with Carr before TC, but I think he's a smart guy and he knows that winning games is more important than being right about Carr.
 
kfranco_utexas said:
I don't know how longer I can endure with this franchise. I cant stand losing, losing is not in my vocabulary. The Longhorns have spoiled me. I am starting to believe that Colt McCoy is a better fit for the Texans.
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What about the long stretch of time when Texas could not beat Oklahoma?

Were you spoiled then?

All of this is cyclical. You have stretches where you win, and you lose. The Patriots were abismal until recently...and guess what: They'll be awful in a few years and it'll run for awhile until things come back around.

People have such short memories. We truly live in a microwave world where all we remember related to sports is what happened last year.

We'll be bad this year and maybe the next. Heck, we might even be bad for longer than that (i.e. Tampa Bay ; New England ; Cincinatti ; etc.). All those teams have had long stretches of awful production on the field.

I'm not leaving this team just because a new coach is attempting to do what he thinks is the best and some of you think Sage is suddenly Superman. Sage wasn't getting pounded and hung out to dry the past four seasons. I kinda' think Kubiak sees that and values what he has in David.

If anything, Kubiak showed David that now it's a deal between them that David has to produce or he's on the bench. No more warm and fuzzy from the coach to the QB...now it's for real. Kubiak feels that David needs a big nudge and not just a pat on the back.

Let's see what happens.

Oh, and by the way...I have no idea why a Pro Bowl receiver was not benched, as well, for dropping two different 3rd down passes that ultimately translated into 14 Titans points after he made those drops. And then we have Salaam and Weakgert killing drives all by themselves and THEY don't get benched. Amazing. I guess the QB is the only player that gets benched?

Look, David stunk. I admit it. But you guys, IMO, are going overboard. This is a process...but your memory of David is the one under the Capers' regime. Heck, I bet even DAVID'S memory of himself is the one with him under the Capers regime. Put yourself in his shoes: It sucked BIG TIME.

All I am asking for is fair and balanced "benching" protocol. Bench EVERYONE who consistently fails to pull their weight (Including Andre Johnson), especially in clutch situations.
 
He probably took the job with the requirement that he, oh, I don't know, does what he thinks will give the Houston Texans the best chance to win?

Carr played poorly against Dallas and now the Titans. He's played well against Jacksonville. He's played decently against our other four opponents. I can't fathom how some of you seem to lay awake at night with such a burning desire to see him replaced.

Funny how we absolutely never see or hear from you Nighthawk unless Carr has a bad game. For a fan of the David Texans, you sure seem selective about your post topics.
 
kfranco_utexas said:
I don't know how longer I can endure with this franchise. I cant stand losing, losing is not in my vocabulary. The Longhorns have spoiled me. I am starting to believe that Colt McCoy is a better fit for the Texans.
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I lived in Oklahoma for years and couldn't stand the Sooners. Hated hated hated them and their legions of obnoxious fans. Every year I prayed for UT to beat them and every year some loser like Chris Simms would spew 4 interceptions to them and they'd get their lily asses kicked. Your love affair for the Longhorns is commendable if not obviously suffering from memory loss.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
What about the long stretch of time when Texas could not beat Oklahoma?

Were you spoiled then?

All of this is cyclical. You have stretches where you win, and you lose. The Patriots were abismal until recently...and guess what: They'll be awful in a few years and it'll run for awhile until things come back around.

People have such short memories. We truly live in a microwave world where all we remember related to sports is what happened last year.

We'll be bad this year and maybe the next. Heck, we might even be bad for longer than that (i.e. Tampa Bay ; New England ; Cincinatti ; etc.). All those teams have had long stretches of awful production on the field.

I'm not leaving this team just because a new coach is attempting to do what he thinks is the best and some of you think Sage is suddenly Superman. Sage wasn't getting pounded and hung out to dry the past four seasons. I kinda' think Kubiak sees that and values what he has in David.

If anything, Kubiak showed David that now it's a deal between them that David has to produce or he's on the bench. No more warm and fuzzy from the coach to the QB...now it's for real. Kubiak feels that David needs a big nudge and not just a pat on the back.

Let's see what happens.

Oh, and by the way...I have no idea why a Pro Bowl receiver was not benched, as well, for dropping two different 3rd down passes that ultimately translated into 14 Titans points after he made those drops. And then we have Salaam and Weakgert killing drives all by themselves and THEY don't get benched. Amazing. I guess the QB is the only player that gets benched?

Look, David stunk. I admit it. But you guys, IMO, are going overboard. This is a process...but your memory of David is the one under the Capers' regime. Heck, I bet even DAVID'S memory of himself is the one with him under the Capers regime. Put yourself in his shoes: It sucked BIG TIME.

All I am asking for is fair and balanced "benching" protocol. Bench EVERYONE who consistently fails to pull their weight (Including Andre Johnson), especially in clutch situations.
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Glad I read your post before doing mine as it would have duplicated a lot. Do I agree with Carr being benched? You betcha! But wait. What about those guys you mentioned? I was yelling at the offensive line. Were they hurt? Yes. Tell that to Carr who gets sacked 4 times a game and is there for evey play. Regardless of who causes a sack it is the QB that gets killed. All pro AJ? Not this game. Well, I guess I repeated your post after all. Sorry. I just wnat fair evals of players by the fans. Kubes can bench who he wants & I'll buy into it for now. Wished others had apologised as did Salaam & Carr. That took class and humility.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
What about the long stretch of time when Texas could not beat Oklahoma?

Were you spoiled then?
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The Longhorns were still winning 10 games a season even though Mack couldn't beat Stoops on a 5 year or so string.

There is no comparison to the Texans now and when the Longhorns couldn't beat Oklahoma for that one stretch.

One player put Texas over the hump and has brought the Texas program to where it is expected to be. Ummm... the Texans passed on that player to keep Carr....
 
jerek said:
He probably took the job with the requirement that he, oh, I don't know, does what he thinks will give the Houston Texans the best chance to win?

Carr played poorly against Dallas and now the Titans. He's played well against Jacksonville. He's played decently against our other four opponents. I can't fathom how some of you seem to lay awake at night with such a burning desire to see him replaced.

Funny how we absolutely never see or hear from you Nighthawk unless Carr has a bad game. For a fan of the David Texans, you sure seem selective about your post topics.
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I'm not for or against Carr at this point. I just want someone that can give us a chance to win week in week out. You basically said in a nutshell that DC is inconsistant. I believe he's been this way since he's been here. I know there's been holes up and down this team throughout the past possibly contributing to his misfortunes on the field, but at some point and time losing has to lead back to back to him. If he can turn it around by years end, then I'm all for it. If he can't show consistancy through the remainder of the season and into next year, then he has to move on. I don't want to lose Kubiak due to DCs inability to have success on gameday like he has during the practice week. OK, I'm done.:twocents:
 
good god... lets flip out becaues our qb, despite having the highest completion percentage in the nfl, has one bad outage and we wanna put a fork in him. He is playing, once again, with a crappy offensive line, but this season he is giving us a chance to win week in and week out.

Do I disagree with kubiaks decision sunday?
nope... he was having an off day, we needed the win, give sage a chance to show what he can do.

What this does is in the future if carr has another outing like he did, we can put sage in there maybe a little earlier.

I will be bold and say it right now, David Carr is a great athlete and a good quarterback, I have been a fan of him since his fresno state days. He is definately a top 10 quarterback in this league. If he had an o line like peyton manning...god knows what he would be able to do.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
good god... lets flip out becaues our qb, despite having the highest completion percentage in the nfl, has one bad outage and we wanna put a fork in him. He is playing, once again, with a crappy offensive line, but this season he is giving us a chance to win week in and week out.

Do I disagree with kubiaks decision sunday?
nope... he was having an off day, we needed the win, give sage a chance to show what he can do.

What this does is in the future if carr has another outing like he did, we can put sage in there maybe a little earlier.

I will be bold and say it right now, David Carr is a great athlete and a good quarterback, I have been a fan of him since his fresno state days. He is definately a top 10 quarterback in this league. If he had an o line like peyton manning...god knows what he would be able to do.
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One bad outtage. Uh, did you see the Dallas game? I am a big DC fan but call it correctly. David's stats are good for season but has had 2 stinkers. The benching per Kubiac was to get DC's attention. I think it will. Carr is a tough guy. You can't take a beating for 4 1/2 years and not be mentally as well as physically strong. Is he Young or Leaf? Time will tell. Probably in the middle somewhere & that ain't bad.
 
hollywood_texan said:
The Longhorns were still winning 10 games a season even though Mack couldn't beat Stoops on a 5 year or so string.

There is no comparison to the Texans now and when the Longhorns couldn't beat Oklahoma for that one stretch.

One player put Texas over the hump and has brought the Texas program to where it is expected to be. Ummm... the Texans passed on that player to keep Carr....
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And they'd build those 10 win seasons against such powerhouses as Baylor. Sorry but when it came down to playing a team remotely comparable to theirs, UT choked time and time again. "Spoiled by the Longhorns" was a crap comparison.
 
hollywood_texan said:
The Longhorns were still winning 10 games a season even though Mack couldn't beat Stoops on a 5 year or so string.

There is no comparison to the Texans now and when the Longhorns couldn't beat Oklahoma for that one stretch.

One player put Texas over the hump and has brought the Texas program to where it is expected to be. Ummm... the Texans passed on that player to keep Carr....
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And how many national championships did the Longhorns win in the time span?

None.

There's only one champ every year, and everyone else is a loser. Makes no difference how far you make it. You lost. "Please Play Again" as it says under the bottle cap. Nobody says, "And then you have to tip your hat to USC who finished in 2nd place behind the Longhorns..." It's an insult. Anything less than the championship is a farce. The players know it. The coaches know it. The owner knows it. Why don't you?

Being able to beat and/or NOT being able to beat Oklahoma is the bread and meat of every UT fan. And the same for every OU fan. And regardless of how many games you win, if you don't beat that team (OU or UT) you ain't going anywhere. In fact, I would argue that this is the only game that fans of those two teams actually care about unless they are playing in the national championship game. The rivalry is THAT big.

You hate Carr. You love UT and Vince. We "get it."

Please continue to remind us.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
What about the long stretch of time when Texas could not beat Oklahoma?

Were you spoiled then?

All of this is cyclical. You have stretches where you win, and you lose. The Patriots were abismal until recently...and guess what: They'll be awful in a few years and it'll run for awhile until things come back around.

People have such short memories. We truly live in a microwave world where all we remember related to sports is what happened last year.

We'll be bad this year and maybe the next. Heck, we might even be bad for longer than that (i.e. Tampa Bay ; New England ; Cincinatti ; etc.). All those teams have had long stretches of awful production on the field.

I'm not leaving this team just because a new coach is attempting to do what he thinks is the best and some of you think Sage is suddenly Superman. Sage wasn't getting pounded and hung out to dry the past four seasons. I kinda' think Kubiak sees that and values what he has in David.

If anything, Kubiak showed David that now it's a deal between them that David has to produce or he's on the bench. No more warm and fuzzy from the coach to the QB...now it's for real. Kubiak feels that David needs a big nudge and not just a pat on the back.

Let's see what happens.

Oh, and by the way...I have no idea why a Pro Bowl receiver was not benched, as well, for dropping two different 3rd down passes that ultimately translated into 14 Titans points after he made those drops. And then we have Salaam and Weakgert killing drives all by themselves and THEY don't get benched. Amazing. I guess the QB is the only player that gets benched?

Look, David stunk. I admit it. But you guys, IMO, are going overboard. This is a process...but your memory of David is the one under the Capers' regime. Heck, I bet even DAVID'S memory of himself is the one with him under the Capers regime. Put yourself in his shoes: It sucked BIG TIME.

All I am asking for is fair and balanced "benching" protocol. Bench EVERYONE who consistently fails to pull their weight (Including Andre Johnson), especially in clutch situations.
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Apples and oranges. You have to look at their body of work, and who is behind him capable of filling in. In AJ's case, after he bobbled the ball that led to an interception, he made some great catches, and finished with 9 catches. He would have had more had his QB prior to Sage actually undersood how to throw a pass longer than 5 yards. The body of his work, both career and game wise is so far beyond anything Carr can put up. Frankly, it's really quite silly debating it. Finally, who did you want to see in there instead? Walter? Gimme a break. The same thing applies to the line. We know your man love for Carr runs deep, but your making silly arguments that have zero merit. You can do better for your man crush.
 
The problem David Carr has is that he was drafted #1 in 2002. Therefore, there are higher expectations and a lot of money involved.

Carr has not lived up to expectations, even taking into account the offensive line problems. He hasn't been a bust, just a disappointment. There are have been problems with the offense, but because of the money David makes, he should be able to carry the team a bit more. Which he hasn't done.

We now have Kubiak and Sherman running the show and things really aren't that different except for a higher completion percentage and few more throws a game (and few less sacks). The Texans offense is really lucky to get more than 17 points in a game right now and is very flat out in the first half this season. Take out the 4th quarters of the Miami and Jacksonville games, things could be very different.

Some things to note about Carr, he still doesn't run the 2-minute offense and can't get a quality drive late in the game to bring a victory or a seal a win.

Carr is good for about 27 attempts, 20 completions, 200 yards, and 1 TD a game. But that isn't enough because he doesn't make big-big plays. Basically Carr's stats could be done by a lot of other average starting QBs and probably some backups. That is were the problem comes in, because he will have a few very bad plays every couple of games, usually on the road, and he doesn't make for it with huge plays to show he is worth the risk of his potential bad plays.

The Giants game could just get completely way out of hand by the 1st half because the Giants can score some serious points fast. Carr has his worked cut out for him if he wants to start to turn things around. Otherwise, I think we will continue have Carr and still debate the excuses why he doesn't succeed.
 
I'm looking forward to next yrs draft. And next season. That will say A LOT about the changes, if any, that are being made. And they better do their homework or we'll just be another Arizona and Detroit.
 
Porky said:
Apples and oranges. You have to look at their body of work, and who is behind him capable of filling in. In AJ's case, after he bobbled the ball that led to an interception, he made some great catches, and finished with 9 catches. He would have had more had his QB prior to Sage actually undersood how to throw a pass longer than 5 yards. The body of his work, both career and game wise is so far beyond anything Carr can put up. Frankly, it's really quite silly debating it. Finally, who did you want to see in there instead? Walter? Gimme a break. The same thing applies to the line. We know your man love for Carr runs deep, but your making silly arguments that have zero merit. You can do better for your man crush.
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AJ has had stone hands a lot more than you are admitting.

The DIFFERENCE here is that I admit that AJ is talented, and the Carr haters do not think Carr is. I admit that we need AJ, and I also admit that I think we need Carr.

How frsutrating must it be for a QB to throw a great ball and it gets dropped?

Carr gets judged by things outside of his control (blockers not blocking ; WRs dropping balls ; etc) and the WRs don't get the crap chewed out of them and subsequently benched for dropping clutch passes?

That's messed up. Period.

Has less to do with a man crush, and more to do with fairness and equality.
 
Porky said:
Apples and oranges. You have to look at their body of work, and who is behind him capable of filling in. In AJ's case, after he bobbled the ball that led to an interception, he made some great catches, and finished with 9 catches. He would have had more had his QB prior to Sage actually undersood how to throw a pass longer than 5 yards. The body of his work, both career and game wise is so far beyond anything Carr can put up. Frankly, it's really quite silly debating it. Finally, who did you want to see in there instead? Walter? Gimme a break. The same thing applies to the line. We know your man love for Carr runs deep, but your making silly arguments that have zero merit. You can do better for your man crush.
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Exactly, every player is going to make mistakes that cost his team.

However, over a game or a season, does a player make plays that show the net, net is better?

That is Carr's biggest problem, his best game will never overcome a horrbile game and he could have a horrible anytime on the road.

Look at this way, it is okay for a player to lose you a game if he is the reason why you are in the position to win the game in the first place. How has the Carr's play ever put the Texans in the position to win a game?

A win by the Texans usually means the defense plays pretty well, it is a relatively low scoring game, and if they have the lead in the 4th quarter. It usually has very little to do with Carr, or what a lot of other QBs can do in the same position.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
Those 87 passing yards vince has were impressive...
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Exactly.

But they don't bring out THAT stat, do they?

This was less about Vince Young being Superman, and more about a team that played entirely different when the starter was removed.

Why did they play better?

IMO, because then they KNEW the blame would lay with them if Sage also got rag-dolled like Carr was getting. Everyobody stepped up their game because there's a little thing called "self-preservation" now that Kubiak is at the helm...they know he'll cut the slackers really quick if wants to.

I hope they play like they did in the second half. Regardless of who is at QB.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Exactly, every player is going to make mistakes that cost his team.

However, over a game or a season, does a player make plays that show the net, net is better?

That is Carr's biggest problem, his best game will never overcome a horrbile game and he could have a horrible anytime on the road.

Look at this way, it is okay for a player to lose you a game if he is the reason why you are in the position to win the game in the first place. How has the Carr's play ever put the Texans in the position to win a game?
A win by the Texans usually means the defense plays pretty well, it is a relatively low scoring game, and if they have the lead in the 4th quarter. It usually has very little to do with Carr, or what a lot of other QBs can do in the same position.
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LOL!!!

Are you SERIOUS?

I'm not even going to waste my time re-typing the times David carried this team on his shoulders and picked up first downs on his own. There have been plenty times where he clutched up and did the job.

The problem is this: AJ gets to go to the bench and sulk, never getting benched or even yelled at on the sideline...and Carr gets yanked after his o line botched play after play after play after play.

Come on, now. You can do better than that. I respectfulyl disagree with your statement(s).
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
AJ has had stone hands a lot more than you are admitting.

The DIFFERENCE here is that I admit that AJ is talented, and the Carr haters do not think Carr is. I admit that we need AJ, and I also admit that I think we need Carr.

How frsutrating must it be for a QB to throw a great ball and it gets dropped?

Carr gets judged by things outside of his control (blockers not blocking ; WRs dropping balls ; etc) and the WRs don't get the crap chewed out of them and subsequently benched for dropping clutch passes?
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How frustrating it must be to constantly run routes a whole game only to see the QB make bad throws (in quadruple coverage) or take sacks. You make good points but it's double edge sword. I like both of them as players. I just wish DC would show consistancy.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
How frsutrating must it be for a QB to throw a great ball and it gets dropped?
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How frustrating is it for an offensive line when the QB can't get the ball out of his hands?

There are going to be some dropped balls, just like Carr is going to throw a pick, fumble, or get sacked.

No one is perfect.

Apply the same analysis to Carr as you do to AJ.

So AJ is suppose to catch absolutely everything?

Bottom line is the net, net, Carr can't overcome a bad game with his own play. He is average with a big probability on the road to make huge mistakes.
 
hollywood_texan said:
How frustrating is it for an offensive line when the QB can't get the ball out of his hands?

There are going to be some dropped balls, just like Carr is going to throw a pick, fumble, or get sacked.

No one is perfect.

Apply the same analysis to Carr as you do to AJ.

So AJ is suppose to catch absolutely everything?

Bottom line is the net, net, Carr can't overcome a bad game with his own play. He is average with a big probability on the road to make huge mistakes.
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If nobody is open, is that Carr's fault?

Or could it have been a bad call from the coaches?

Or could it have been a great job by the defense to smell it out and cover it?

On a pass play, if things are not available, the Qb is in a reallllly bad position...he's got to eat it for a sack or run. Sometimes you cannot run. Sometimes you throw it where they cannot get to it.

Kubiak has handled David better, getting his TD-to-INT ratio in the right order unlike the previous coaching regime.

Aj doesn't get a free pass. Not when he cost us points, and possibly the game. He didn't have ONE bad drop in a clutch situation. He had two. Carr was told if he fumbled again, he was yanked. Was AJ told that?
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
What about the long stretch of time when Texas could not beat Oklahoma?

Were you spoiled then?

All of this is cyclical. You have stretches where you win, and you lose. The Patriots were abismal until recently...and guess what: They'll be awful in a few years and it'll run for awhile until things come back around.

People have such short memories. We truly live in a microwave world where all we remember related to sports is what happened last year.

We'll be bad this year and maybe the next. Heck, we might even be bad for longer than that (i.e. Tampa Bay ; New England ; Cincinatti ; etc.). All those teams have had long stretches of awful production on the field.

I'm not leaving this team just because a new coach is attempting to do what he thinks is the best and some of you think Sage is suddenly Superman. Sage wasn't getting pounded and hung out to dry the past four seasons. I kinda' think Kubiak sees that and values what he has in David.

If anything, Kubiak showed David that now it's a deal between them that David has to produce or he's on the bench. No more warm and fuzzy from the coach to the QB...now it's for real. Kubiak feels that David needs a big nudge and not just a pat on the back.

Let's see what happens.

Oh, and by the way...I have no idea why a Pro Bowl receiver was not benched, as well, for dropping two different 3rd down passes that ultimately translated into 14 Titans points after he made those drops. And then we have Salaam and Weakgert killing drives all by themselves and THEY don't get benched. Amazing. I guess the QB is the only player that gets benched?

Look, David stunk. I admit it. But you guys, IMO, are going overboard. This is a process...but your memory of David is the one under the Capers' regime. Heck, I bet even DAVID'S memory of himself is the one with him under the Capers regime. Put yourself in his shoes: It sucked BIG TIME.

All I am asking for is fair and balanced "benching" protocol. Bench EVERYONE who consistently fails to pull their weight (Including Andre Johnson), especially in clutch situations.
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You must spread rep around, blah, blah, blah. Excellent post :thumbup

ETA Re: AJ stone hands -- AJ makes some great plays to atone for his mistakes, and is an incredibly talented WR. However, just to put things in perspective, he is on pace to have more drops this year than either of the two WRs for the Seahawks a couple years ago when they led the world in drops. Just something to think about.
 
Just for the record, how many times has David thrown into quadruple coverage for an interception????? Anyone know????

Out of his 20-28 throws a game, that was only his 3rd interception this year, if I am correct. Throwing interceptions is not the big problem, the fumbles are. Every qb that throws enough is going to have some interceptions, even Manning.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
He is playing, once again, with a crappy offensive line, but this season he is giving us a chance to win week in and week out.
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That offensive line did produce a 100+ yard rusher and kept Sage from getting sacked, though. They can't be all that horrible.

I'm just sayin'.... :rolleyes:
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
Those 87 passing yards vince has were impressive...
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Hey Your,

Be carefull with remarks like that... You opened yourself up to: "he scored a rushing touchdown, he did not throw a pick or have a fumble...."

Plus, you forgot the 44 yards rushing - and all that led up to 131 total yards.... :yikes:
 
Double Barrel said:
That offensive line did produce a 100+ yard rusher and kept Sage from getting sacked, though. They can't be all that horrible.

I'm just sayin'.... :rolleyes:
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The line needs a good bit of work but Carr makes them look worse than they really are. Watching Sage buy himself more time with some simple side-stepping on a play where protection broke down was an odd thing to see from a Texans QB.
 
Texanfan4ever said:
Out of his 20-28 throws a game, that was only his 3rd interception this year, if I am correct. Throwing interceptions is not the big problem, the fumbles are. Every qb that throws enough is going to have some interceptions, even Manning.
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Carr has 9 TDs and 5 INTs.

You are right he throws about 28 times a game and for about 200 yards. That is his career in a nutshell. He is very consistent in yards per game.

He doesn't have it to win a shoot out. If he does, then he better show it against the Giants.

The question is:

Are the Texans better or worse off with Carr as the starting QB?
 
Okay, I was a little off on the interceptions. And only time can answer the question.

Just curious, I could look it up, but do you know how many int Manning has had this year? Not comparing the two, just wondering what is normal.
 
JackDizzle said:
The line needs a good bit of work but Carr makes them look worse than they really are. Watching Sage buy himself more time with some simple side-stepping on a play where protection broke down was an odd thing to see from a Texans QB.
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That sums up my thoughts about it, as well. Sage had a pocket presence that is lacking in Carr. There were several plays where Rosenfel stepped out of a situation that probably would have resulted in a sack with DC. I'm not doggin' Carr, but I think his 200+ sacks in four seasons has done some damage to his poise under pressure.
 
jerek said:
I lived in Oklahoma for years and couldn't stand the Sooners. Hated hated hated them and their legions of obnoxious fans. Every year I prayed for UT to beat them and every year some loser like Chris Simms would spew 4 interceptions to them and they'd get their lily asses kicked. Your love affair for the Longhorns is commendable if not obviously suffering from memory loss.
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Sorry to break this to you but I never followed UT until I started college. I went 2-2 vs Ou
and most likely will go 4-0 against aggy.:rolleyes:
 
BattleRedToro said:
You are assuming that the Texans's defense will not be able to stop the New York Giants offense by suggesting that the game will be a shoot out. I'm not sure that will be the case, but even if it is, how would that be the QB's fault if the Texans's defense can't stop the Giants's offense. No QB should ever have to win a shoot out. I know it happens, but it should not be expected. Your defense should be good enough to keep the game from getting out of hand.
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Well then, if you can't expect your offense to win a shootout, what is the point of having an $8 million QB and an $8 million WR per year? Furthermore, I thought the main reason Carr was drafted in 2002 instead of Peppers was because scoring points gets the fans excited and increases ticket sales.

The Texan's defense is playing okay right now. But, I think it is bit much to expect this defense to hold every team in the NFL to 17 points every game and then you only expect the offense to score 20. That is basically how I take your post. The Giants have a good offense and a QB that can get the ball deep downfield deep using the entire field, meanwhile they have a running back that is leading the league in rushing.

It seems some people have such high expectations of the defense and low expectations of the offense. It further seems David Carr needs more help than bringing more to the table for the team. Carr is one of the top 3 paid players on the team, and he needs to contribute as such with some big plays. Meaning more than high completion percentage with short passes and a couple of TDs in the 4th quarter to win at home. It is going to take a lot more than that to win on the road in the NFL, not to mention a playoff game.

It seems to me expectations are lopsided on this board when it comes to certain players and/or sides of the ball. And certain players due to their position and where they were drafted need to produce more for the team compared to other players!

For the most part against Tennesse, the defense did their job. The offense and special teams really screwed it up. Play that same way against the Giants and it will probably be a slaughter because the Giants offense looks to be light years ahead of Tennessee.

The Texans want to be competitive against the Giants, they need to move the ball with long drives and score some quality TDs in the first half.
 
Double Barrel said:
That offensive line did produce a 100+ yard rusher and kept Sage from getting sacked, though. They can't be all that horrible.

I'm just sayin'.... :rolleyes:
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It's a conspiracy theory by the o-line. They want David out so they figured that "let him get sacked, that way Sage the man can come in":spy:
 
BattleRedToro said:
That is not the reason you can't compare them. The reason is its college football and it is a joke compared to the NFL. The level of talent you play each week is monumentaly higher in the NFL; because, teams don't get to pad their schedule with teams like UNT, SHSU, Rice, et al. In addition the championship is decided wholly by the play on the field in the NFL, not by a bunch of computers and sports writers. It is laughable that you would even make such a comparison, and even worse you totally disrespect the rest of the players and coaches by giving sole credit for their program's success to one player. I'm not suprised; because, that is typical of Longhorns fans, easily the least knowledgable and rudest college sports fans I have ever seen. lol:
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Umm.....surrrrreeee!!!!!!!
College Football fans are among the MOST loyal. College Football is the only football that I can actually see and enjoy other games. Sorry but how many of yall actually watch to see how the Eagles are doing vs. ______ ?
College Football is the best. Period. I root for the Texans but that is it.
N.F.L= No Fun League.

College Football= You play for your school and you do it with pride.
N.F.L= Players care about the paycheck. You play for multiple teams, etc.


:yawn:
 
Double Barrel said:
David needs to take them out to the steakhouses more often. Those big boys need their beef!
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David doesnt look like the guy who would do this. I worked at Pappasitos by Reliant and he never looked like the type of guy who you'd want to hang out with. Just m.o
:hides:
Just look at him when he got benched. All he did was grab his neck collar. He could have at least talked to Sage and given him some type of encouragement. Sorry, all you David fans, but he IS NOT a leader. My boy Vince is. He is a natural born leader.Period.
 
Which would you rather watch?

every game counts vs. a 1-3 team eventually advancing to the Super Bowl.

The improbable vs. the inevitable.

"Hail to the Victors" vs. "Hail to the Redskins."

JoePa chasing officials vs. instant replay.

105,000 fans at Ohio Stadium vs. 35,000 fans at Paul Brown Stadium.

Playing for touchdowns vs. playing for field goals.

Hurricanes vs. Dolphins.

Pageantry and passion vs. green and greed.

Timeless classics vs. games that end in 3 hours--or else.

Walk-on heroes vs. computer busts.

Big Red's option vs. finally busting your ass in option years.


I'll stop my rant now.
 
BattleRedToro said:
I sure can say that about the NFL. Every game matters in determining the order of the draft. I thought you would remember that from last year.
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ROTFLMAO
It's just a matter of time for the ping pong machine.
I was regarding the playoffs.
Could you imagine if College Football got a playoff???!!!!!WOW.
 
You have no idea what your talkin about Franco.. You dont like the guy ok... but dont just spit out stuff thats not true just to try and make some point. The first series carr was butt hurt obviously and then he did help Sage out the rest of the game, in between series. Maybe if you read the articles on the day other than just come here and complain how you "see him at some restaurant and dont think he's a guy you want to hang out with"... haha ok we get it, you dont like him.. the fact is the guy is a model player. More players should act like the guy.. He is a christian, family guy, who does a lot for his community and never brought negative attention to the franchise with offfield activities like some many others players do these days.....
 
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