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kastofsna

kastofsna

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just going by ESPN's power rankings here:

1: Oakland - Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech. porter is gone, moss is probably gone. al davis won't draft a QB. bring in johnson!
2: Green Bay - Adrian Peterson, RB, Oklahoma. despite broken collarbone, he'll still go top 5.
3: Houston - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal. i think he's better than peterson personally, and i think after a good season and combine, he'll go top 5 along with peterson. he fits kubiak's one-read RB system well, too.
4: Arizona - Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin. pretty simple pick here. the line is awful and they need studs to improve it. leonard davis is an all-pro, but he may be moved soon.
5: Cleveland - Jared Gaither, T, Maryland. 2nd best offensive line prospect in the draft IMO. could be better in the long run than thomas.
6: Miami - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame. pure BPA situation here. saban isn't stupid.
7: Tennessee - Daymeion Hughes, CB, Cal. already spent a top 10 pick on a CB, and they do it again here. reynaldo hill is really awful. hughes is the best DB in this draft IMO. that includes safeties.
8: Detroit - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville. the matt millen era is hopefully over at this point, and mike martz gets a young gunslinger who learns fast and will do very well in his offense.
9: San Francisco - LaRon Landry, S, LSU. they're allowing 32 points a game this year. the offense looks good, but that defense is awful.
10: Buffalo - Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson. this is definitely a BPA situation, as adams is considered by most to be better than the #10 player selected in the draft. a very young defense gets younger...and better.
 
oakland doesn't draft QB's in the first round. i said it this past draft, and i'll say it again. al davis won't do it. forget about it.
 
I think Quinn will go to the Radiers. If we cant get Peterson, trade down and gete Merryweather from Miami. He can play Safety and step on people :)
 
Hoth-Boy said:
If Oakland will take Huff over Leinart and Cutler, they will take Johnson over Quinn. Why are some so suprised by this?
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Because if Al Davis does it agian with there desperate need for a QB, he will have empty seats in the stadium...

Yea I know, everyone thinks he will pick up Kurt Warner from Arizona next year, but we will have to wait and see...

I agree though, Oakland will take a QB with first pick...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Because if Al Davis does it agian with there desperate need for a QB, he will have empty seats in the stadium...

Yea I know, everyone thinks he will pick up Kurt Warner from Arizona next year, but we will have to wait and see...

I agree though, Oakland will take a QB with first pick...
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Since when did Al Davis care about that? And when was the last time he drafted a QB in the first round?

And disn't we all hear this same line of reasoning last year about the QB position in Raider nation? And did they address it then?
 
after the marinovich disaster, al davis proclaimed he would never draft a QB in the first round again. al davis is senile enough to draft a kicker in the first round, and he's certainly senile enough to go against the fans' wants and the team's needs and stick to his guns JUST BECAUSE his ego is that absurdly massive.
 
Hey, just curious, why do you like Lynch so much? I have not been able to see him play alot, but I have noticed you are a huge advocate of him. Thanks for any info.
 
rmartin65 said:
Hey, just curious, why do you like Lynch so much? I have not been able to see him play alot, but I have noticed you are a huge advocate of him. Thanks for any info.
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has good size, good speed, finds the whole and makes the quick decision and burst to get into the open field, outruns the defenders, has great escapability in the backfield even when the line breaks down...catches the ball well out of the backfield. he's perfect for houston. perfect.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Since when did Al Davis care about that? And when was the last time he drafted a QB in the first round?

And disn't we all hear this same line of reasoning last year about the QB position in Raider nation? And did they address it then?
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Al Davis thought he did, he brought in Aaron Brookes...
 
kastofsna said:
has good size, good speed, finds the whole and makes the quick decision and burst to get into the open field, outruns the defenders, has great escapability in the backfield even when the line breaks down...catches the ball well out of the backfield. he's perfect for houston. perfect.
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You can't honestly expect steller combine numbers from Lynch? He is not a top 5 back, and neither is Peterson after his injury.
 
Hmmmm.......

Don't like the Hughes pick. I really would be very suprised to him go top 10. I am not even sure if he is a first rounder at this point.

As for the SF pick, I definitely hope it is a defensive prospect. I really don't know if it will be Landry, but I hope it is something that can help our defense out.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
You can't honestly expect steller combine numbers from Lynch? He is not a top 5 back, and neither is Peterson after his injury.
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they both are.
Don't like the Hughes pick. I really would be very suprised to him go top 10. I am not even sure if he is a first rounder at this point.
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he's been DOMINANT this year. EASILY the best CB in this draft based on his play.
That must burn your toast kastofsna
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what
 
kastofsna said:
he's been DOMINANT this year. EASILY the best CB in this draft based on his play.
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Yes he has been very productive but that is not what the draft is about. It is about potential. There are more than a few DB's with more potential than him and chances are guys like McCauley are gonna light it up at the combine and will warrant a higher pick that Hughes.

For example, there is Elvis Dumervil. He was super-productive in college but was never really considered to be a top-pick because his athleticism isn't all that great. That's kind of how I view Hughes.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
All what Peterson did though is break a collarbone. It isn't like a torn ACL where it could really effect the rest of his career.
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And right now no one knows for sure if he is coming out or staying another year at OK. He could stay to make his stock rise again and try for that trophy he so much wants. But I bet if his stock falls, it wont fall far... Still a top of the 1st round selection...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
And right now no one knows for sure if he is coming out or staying another year at OK. He could stay to make his stock rise again and try for that trophy he so much wants. But I bet if his stock falls, it wont fall far... Still a top of the 1st round selection...
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I believe he will declare this year since it is pretty certain he will be a very high pick.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Yes he has been very productive but that is not what the draft is about. It is about potential. There are more than a few DB's with more potential than him and chances are guys like McCauley are gonna light it up at the combine and will warrant a higher pick that Hughes.

For example, there is Elvis Dumervil. He was super-productive in college but was never really considered to be a top-pick because his athleticism isn't all that great. That's kind of how I view Hughes.
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except hughes has good size and speed. your argument is moot.
That Gaither went just ahead of your team.
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i'll take quinn.
 
Not sure why Green Bay would trade one OFT injured RB for another.

Ahman Green can't stay healthy so you bring in Peterson?

Its not even about Peterson's injury being serious its about the constant injuries he seems to have.

I don't think we pass on Thomas if the Texans run game doesn't get any better.

Landry is good but top 10....i'll pass.

I definitely agree with you on the Oakland scenario. I'm not sure the POINT of bringing in Calvin Johnson with nobody to throw him the ball but this is AL DAVIS we are talking about....HE IS THE POINT. lol
 
not sure if Jared Gaither LT for Maryland is eligible but if he is would be the perfect pick for the Texans. hey, we need to cut Mario some slack he is improving, in the end we will have a stud on the defensive line, the same can be said for the offensive line. the Texans still need a franchise LT & this guy could be the next Orlando Pace, 36" vertical & strong as an Ox, check it out-

http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gaither_jared01.html

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Texas_Thrill said:
Not sure why Green Bay would trade one OFT injured RB for another.

Ahman Green can't stay healthy so you bring in Peterson?

Its not even about Peterson's injury being serious its about the constant injuries he seems to have.

I don't think we pass on Thomas if the Texans run game doesn't get any better.
Landry is good but top 10....i'll pass.

I definitely agree with you on the Oakland scenario. I'm not sure the POINT of bringing in Calvin Johnson with nobody to throw him the ball but this is AL DAVIS we are talking about....HE IS THE POINT. lol
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Yeah I'm in this boat. Still think Peterson will end up in New York. Calvin Johnson is definatly the prize. The guy is an awesome prospect. Won't argue with Lynch. Don't see Ladanian Tomlinson with him though. Didn't see him block very well in the game I watched. I got "danger will Robinson" all over Lynch.

Don't know about the rushing game. But if it was me I make damn sure I got Charles Spencer insurance comming out of this off season. My canidate is Gaines Adams or is it Adams Gains from Clemson. Just an awesome comeback last week. Know we got more pressing matters. Just seems that would be a heck of a tandem for the next eight years.
 
beerlover said:
not sure if Jared Gaither LT for Maryland is eligible but if he is would be the perfect pick for the Texans. hey, we need to cut Mario some slack he is improving, in the end we will have a stud on the defensive line, the same can be said for the offensive line. the Texans still need a franchise LT & this guy could be the next Orlando Pace, 36" vertical & strong as an Ox, check it out-

http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gaither_jared01.html

Gaither sounds good to me. If Spencer comes back all the way, we'd have plug and play tackles for the next ten years. Then....we can draft the prety running backs.

Agreed with Mario. He figures the hands thingy out he is going to be awesome. I think the guy is so athletic, he could play middle linebacker.
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beerlover said:
not sure if Jared Gaither LT for Maryland is eligible but if he is would be the perfect pick for the Texans. hey, we need to cut Mario some slack he is improving, in the end we will have a stud on the defensive line, the same can be said for the offensive line. the Texans still need a franchise LT & this guy could be the next Orlando Pace, 36" vertical & strong as an Ox, check it out-

http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gaither_jared01.html

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I've been on his bandwagon since watching tapes of Vernon Davis last year. I just recently found out that he is indeed eligable for the NFL draft this year because he went to military school for a year, and will be 3 years removed from HS.

Now, this is a BIG 'ol boy. He can move with you though, and he has very long arms. He is about 330 I believe, but he is more athleticly gifted than Fergueson was last year or than Thomas is this year. He is the LT version of Mario athleticly, but he has already produced consistently and has yet to allow a sack.

I have been advocating picking him if he comes out for a while now, but glad to see you on board beerlover.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I have been advocating picking him if he comes out for a while now, but glad to see you on board beerlover.
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its about time then :redtowel: always enjoy your posts, very informative and acute. if Gaither's declares & the Texans are in position, I hope they take him. with all the talent & good coaching both lines should meet the league average if not slightly better & if you win the wars in the trenches thats at least half the battle. 2007 = .500 football. I'd take that:bananasplit:
 
beerlover said:
its about time then :redtowel: always enjoy your posts, very informative and acute. if Gaither's declares & the Texans are in position, I hope they take him. with all the talent & good coaching both lines should meet the league average if not slightly better & if you win the wars in the trenches thats at least half the battle. 2007 = .500 football. I'd take that:bananasplit:
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thank you. it seems as if you had taking a break from posting?

Here's to us starting a new bandwagon for Gaither if he declares.
 
You cant pass up Peterson for a lineman this year. You need an IMPACT RB from the draft (or trade/sign which would free up the draft)

You guys seem to think Charles Spencer was HORRIBLE at LT? I thought he played well for a Rookie and would only get better.

Id look for Guards in this draft later and go for Peterson with the #1

DRAFT:
1. Peterson
2. CB or Safety
3. Guard/ LB
4. CB/LB/Guard/Safety (to fill a need at these positions that you did not fill in round 2 or 3).
5-7. best player
 
Its going to be interesting to see if we go for the skill positions or focus on the line. A lot of people say you have to establish your lines, and rightly so, but AJ is still our best player and we got him 3rd overall. Sometimes you have to draft the talent in the higher rounds and try to find linemen later on, as Denver has done (with linemen, not running backs)
 
Goldeagle said:
You cant pass up Peterson for a lineman this year. You need an IMPACT RB from the draft (or trade/sign which would free up the draft)

You guys seem to think Charles Spencer was HORRIBLE at LT? I thought he played well for a Rookie and would only get better.

Id look for Guards in this draft later and go for Peterson with the #1

DRAFT:
1. Peterson
2. CB or Safety
3. Guard/ LB
4. CB/LB/Guard/Safety (to fill a need at these positions that you did not fill in round 2 or 3).
5-7. best player
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I think it would be easy enough to pass up Peterson with the chance to draft Lynch, Ball, Bush, Wolfe and many others who will go in the 2-5th rounds.

I think the Texans will be hard pressed to pass on Gaither if he declares, and if he doesnt, how do you still pass up Joe Thomas? All for an injury prone, upright back?
 
kastofsna said:
denver has gotten both their linemen and backs in later rounds.
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Yes, Denver has drafted both in later rounds, but only those RB's play roles initially. They started off with a very well developed line, drafted depth and developed it. They then plugged those "diamonds in the rough" guys into a system they already know and boom, sucess. They haven't just been throwing rookie, undersized TE's in to the game.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
All what Peterson did though is break a collarbone. It isn't like a torn ACL where it could really effect the rest of his career.
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This is true. But what knocked out Charles Rodgers the first two seasons of his career ? But you spend a top five on a running back , he'd better be the real deal. In the Texas game, and I know the Texas DB's are fast, but when my top five pick back breaks into the clear, there shouldn't be a DB in the world who can bring him down. People running down All Day with a poor angle kinda put me off. He ain't Bo Jackson. And he ain't Earl Campbel . He's going to be a good pro no doubt. But you're getting a cleaner Lendale White. Not a HOFer. I'm not sure that's worth forty to fifty million. JMHO.
 
You guys have me looking LT at Gaither. I then move Spencer to RT, and Winston either becomes a guard or a very good backup.

I say Gaither, Pitts, Hodgdon, Winston, Spencer. What size and quickness these young guys would have. They could be beyond good in two to three years.

Or you go Posz, in the first and Justin Warren in the fourth. I am then done at LB and you decide what to do with the 2nd and 3rd picks.

Remember when Peek leaves for FA we get another 3rd.
 
Goldeagle said:
You cant pass up Peterson for a lineman this year. You need an IMPACT RB from the draft (or trade/sign which would free up the draft)

You guys seem to think Charles Spencer was HORRIBLE at LT? I thought he played well for a Rookie and would only get better.

Id look for Guards in this draft later and go for Peterson with the #1

DRAFT:
1. Peterson
2. CB or Safety
3. Guard/ LB
4. CB/LB/Guard/Safety (to fill a need at these positions that you did not fill in round 2 or 3).
5-7. best player
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I moved Cloak nnn daggers comments on Micheal Bush's broken leg back up from the well. In regards to Chares Spencer, I thought it was apt.

Spencer is the real deal. However, at this point no one knows exactly where his recovery will be next spring. If you don't go after a capable replacement, pass up the RB, you could be damning this team to back to back to back bottom five finishes. Salam is a capable back up to handle any two or three game steach when some one goes down. If Spencer doesn't make it all the way back...you're in trouble. You say All Day is soooo good he's going to elevate the offense line's play , like Earl Campbel did with the Oilers, to a respectable level. Is the Saints resrugence a funtion of Bush ? Or the function of McCallister & Breeze having a great comeback seasons ? What I'm saying, you're taking the best running back in a group of mediocre running backs. I don't know which RB they'll draft. But what I am certain of is the club willl get graeter value if they wait. He ain't Earl Campbel. He's a thirty touches a game power RB who should be in a Washington Redskins two tight end offense. I'm not sure he works in a zbs offense. So now along with All Day we're drafting another blocking TE, swithing to bigger interior lineman and basically scraping the offense Kubiak has used for twenty years. I don't think think that will happen. But hey I've been wrong befor.
 
painekiller said:
You guys have me looking LT at Gaither. I then move Spencer to RT, and Winston either becomes a guard or a very good backup.

I say Gaither, Pitts, Hodgdon, Winston, Spencer. What size and quickness these young guys would have. They could be beyond good in two to three years.

Or you go Posz, in the first and Justin Warren in the fourth. I am then done at LB and you decide what to do with the 2nd and 3rd picks.

Remember when Peek leaves for FA we get another 3rd.
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It doesn't matter. What does matter is that they have the peices in place that they can plug and play in the line to the point we don't have to worry about picking up a third and short. Or...Carr or whoever the quarterback is in the future, will have enough time to look for third and fourth options in a pattern without worrying about getting killed. We get the correct guy, it doesn't matter. The best five play. If Spencer does make it all the way back, nice problem to have as to which beast we play where. If you got an o-line, you can compete for the paly offs. I can wait a few years on Carter Wells of Ohio St. Plenty of Sopmores and Jrs this year who look very interesting. We fix the base it doesn't matter in the future who we take at the skill positions. Gotta have the foundation first. You build form the inside out. Can't argue with the defensive first guys. There is a terrible need there no doubt. Just seems to me with the guys who are on the board this year, the best value is at our o line need.
 
threetoedpete said:
This is true. But what knocked out Charles Rodgers the first two seasons of his career ? But you spend a top five on a running back , he'd better be the real deal. In the Texas game, and I know the Texas DB's are fast, but when my top five pick back breaks into the clear, there shouldn't be a DB in the world who can bring him down. People running down All Day with a poor angle kinda put me off. He ain't Bo Jackson. And he ain't Earl Campbel . He's going to be a good pro no doubt. But you're getting a cleaner Lendale White. Not a HOFer. I'm not sure that's worth forty to fifty million. JMHO.
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My point about the injury is that it shouldn't effect his speed or cutback ability.

As far as how he projects in the pros, the biggest thing I don't like about him is his height, which I believe is about 6'2.

I kind of disagree with your assesment on him though. I don't find him as this pure power-back you claim him to be.
 
anyone watching cal vs. washington? marshawn lynch has two bad ankles and he's destroying everyone. silky smooth runner. best back in the nation.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
Because if Al Davis does it agian with there desperate need for a QB, he will have empty seats in the stadium...

Yea I know, everyone thinks he will pick up Kurt Warner from Arizona next year, but we will have to wait and see...

I agree though, Oakland will take a QB with first pick...
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They need a QB as much as we need one. If they fix their OL, and give Andrew Walter some time, he can get the job done.
 
kastofsna said:
3: Houston - Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal. i think he's better than peterson personally, and i think after a good season and combine, he'll go top 5 along with peterson. he fits kubiak's one-read RB system well, too.
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Again, with Lawrence Maroney, D'AngeloWilliams, & Jerious Norwood playing as well as they are, I doubt GKubiak will decide to draft a RB in the top five. Look for another DE, or a shutdown Corner.
 
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