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RB Problems....

PapaL

PapaL

Loose Screw
I think its pretty obvious that we have a major issue on offense and its our RB play. They have all run the ball horrible. They did step up and have some good blocks on passing plays, but running the ball has been BAD.

Rushing stats this week: 33 rushes for 65 yards 2.0 avg.
Previous 3 weeks: 61 rushes for 239 yards 3.9 avg.

On the season: 94 rushes 304 yards 3.23 avg
 
LCROD said:
I think its pretty obvious that we have a major issue on offense and its our RB play. They have all run the ball horrible. They did step up and have some good blocks on passing plays, but running the ball has been BAD.
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sure has, but why has it been so chronic. Is it the scheme or is it the players are just not good enough. Lets hope DD is back to full fitness next year or we could be drafting a RB in April
 
it hasnt been horrible. They did get stuffed alot though.

Honestly.. we won the game.. if we get 50 rushing yards the rest of the season and win games.. im not going to complain.
 
We're not going to be winning very man more games if we can't run the ball. If it wasnt for Carr and the WideOuts, we'd be 0-4. For a running team, we don't scare anyone. Best believe teams will start scheming against our passing game.
 
For the next 48 hours, I plan on being happy and enjoying the victory. Personally I don't know when the next one will come, so I am going to savor this moment before I stant knocking the team down.

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
We will get our run game going eventually...We just dont have any players that pickup long runs...its more short definite runs.
 
threetoedpete said:
Gold stars for sherman and the make shift o-line. Wasn't perfect. But it was good enough. Nice job.
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It was good enough to beat the Dolphins, but it wasn't good.

Can't run block, and can't keep Carr from getting blindsided.

I'm happy we got the win, but I'm still not satisfied with our blocking in the slightest.
 
Snapple said:
It was good enough to beat the Dolphins, but it wasn't good.

Can't run block, and can't keep Carr from getting blindsided.

I'm happy we got the win, but I'm still not satisfied with our blocking in the slightest.
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The play of the inside of our line is weak, and we have a major problem at left tackle. Carr got a lot of pressure from the left, and that is on top of the sacks and the hits as he threw.
 
Snapple said:
It was good enough to beat the Dolphins, but it wasn't good.

Can't run block, and can't keep Carr from getting blindsided.

I'm happy we got the win, but I'm still not satisfied with our blocking in the slightest.
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i completely agree, our blocking is as bad as it's ever been. the difference this year is coaching. count the number of tackles that ron dayne breaks on every play, and the number of times carr is hit as he's throwing. those two guys are playing as hard as anybody in football and being successful. kubiak's getting every ounce he can from that line and it's a hair's breathe from being disastrous. congrats to the offense for gutting it out all day and getting the win, but it's obvious that our biggest (probably ONLY) problem on offense is still that line. i look forward to next season when we get spencer back, flanagan with a year here under his belt, and some replacements for that right side.
 
I'm officially wrong about Dayne and am gald he's a Texan. Right now, he is really the only guy on our roster who can run in this zone blocking scheme. He's not great of probably even good. But he knows where to run, wheras our other RBs don't.

But our running game has to get better overall. That Oline just isn't getting it done.
 
Carr's playfake touchdown score was AWSOME !!! I stood up and screamed *OWNED!!!!*

A big reason that play worked was because of the threat of the run...We didnt run the ball terribly well, but it was enough to get the job done...I like the way Dayne runs over people and he's a pretty good blocker...Losing DD this season really hurt this offence, but they have done a good job filling his shoes with some power runners who can block and catch.
 
phan1 said:
I'm officially wrong about Dayne and am gald he's a Texan. Right now, he is really the only guy on our roster who can run in this zone blocking scheme. He's not great of probably even good. But he knows where to run, wheras our other RBs don't.
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I might say "he is really the only guy left on our roster who can run in this zone blocking scheme".

I am still not convinced we made a lot of good moves with our running backs after training camp.
 
I am wondering some about the hybrid Denver style zone block mixed with the Green Bay Power I stuff.

Part of the effectiveness Denver blocking is that the running from that is supposed to set up the pass because the blocking always looks the same.

Hmmm.

I do not like our options at left tackle. I do not like Eric Winston not being activated when it is Salaam and Bedell. Just from what I saw at the game, and not watching the TV stuff, the left side looks non-good.

I liked Seth Wand more in the preseason, you know, back when they could run the ball.

YRMV
 
Texans_Chick said:
I liked Seth Wand more in the preseason, you know, back when they could run the ball.
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seth wand (to me atleast) looked like he picked up the ZBS that kubiak runs quicker than any other linemen. we ran the ball more effectively to the left side during preseason when he was in the game than we did with spencer. he's also a lot quicker than our other options and can pick off linebackers effectively. he'd be a major upgrade over salaam, and bedell is lucky to be on a team at all.
 
If Dayne gets past the line of scrimmage, he's a force.

I noticed this today. If he gets to, or past, the line of scrimmage...and without getting his feet tangled up with blockers or d linemen...he is good for about 5 yards every time. The momentum he builds is amazing.

So while it is frustrating to sometimes see him take a nosedive for one-yard gains, you gotta' think about the times he gets free of the line of scrimmage and has flat out carried defenders or bulldozed them for extra yards.

DD would pick his way around and get all "choppy" for the extra yards, but Dayne is a different creature.

And Gado is nowhere to be seen. Gonna' take awhile to get used to the playbook, or an injury to Dayne, for him to sniff carries IMO.
 
We need to find a better RB this next off-season for sure, but our run blocking has been pretty shiesty as well. It's going to take a while for this group to gel and really pick up this zone blocking scheme. The sooner the better. I think we'll have a decent running game in place by the end of the year.
 
One thing that I really like about Dayne is that when he gets tackled, he manages to fall forward and get an extra yard.
 
Texans_Chick said:
I am wondering some about the hybrid Denver style zone block mixed with the Green Bay Power I stuff.
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Our zone blocking scheme looked different in pre-season (to me anyway). It looked like the line would just flow left or right, and keep on flowing throughout the play. This is very Denver like, I think.

The way they are playing now is the line starts to flow one direction, but as the play develops the lineman are supposed to square up their blocks and push the d-lineman back perpendicular to the line of scrimmage.. This "squaring up" is the integration of the Green Bay power style.
 
Edell Shepherd had our best run today. The Carr Funmble play was a fake to the RB and then David got stripped of the ball, But the RB that did not get the ball would have been downfield 30 yards had we given it to him. Wierd... All day long no holes to go thrugh, then we do a run fake and our blockers cleared a 10 to 15 foot hole.

I am not a fan of this running scheme, or using the run to open up the passing game. With our players we should use the pass to open up the run game.
 
it also hurt dayne's stats that his carry early in the game where he carried 21 players, a waterboy, 2 towel boys, and the linebackers coach for 18 yards was called back because of walters' holding penalty. :wild:


wow. walters has been terrible so far.
 
I gotta say it's on both parties. Really I can't say that the line has been run blocking well, but then again I don't know if that's due to trying to run the ZBS and the power scheme from GB or what. That being said it's not solely the lines fault, I saw various times that the RB had a hole nearby and didn't see it or get through it. So our RB's need to work on finding the hole better before hitting it. I like Dayne's power running, but if he had a little more patience and used that explosiveness through a better hole instead of trying to squeeze through cracks that would be great.

On a side note, I think they should stick to one running scheme instead of trying to run two schemes. I think this would benefit everybody.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I gotta say it's on both parties. Really I can't say that the line has been run blocking well, but then again I don't know if that's due to trying to run the ZBS and the power scheme from GB or what. That being said it's not solely the lines fault, I saw various times that the RB had a hole nearby and didn't see it or get through it. So our RB's need to work on finding the hole better before hitting it. I like Dayne's power running, but if he had a little more patience and used that explosiveness through a better hole instead of trying to squeeze through cracks that would be great.

On a side note, I think they should stick to one running scheme instead of trying to run two schemes. I think this would benefit everybody.
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give lundy a second chance and bring him back!!
 
What I find interesting is that we got Dayne and Gado because the coaches thought that we had too many similiar runners in the preseason.

I think Dayne/Gado seem a little too similiar, but maybe it is because it is hard to distinguish your running style if it mostly involves bouncing off the wall at the line.

I know Denver doesn't do too much of this, but does anyone recall any runs to the outside? If the defense doesn't think we do that, then they don't have to defend it.

And it was an interesting theory to suggest that Carr shows run or pass based on his feet positioning prior to the snap. I need to look for that on the TiVO.
 
Is Chris Taylor still on the Practice Squad. I wonder if he'll ever get another look. Of course if Lundy can't find any carries, I guess Taylor won't either. One thing about this coaching staff, they seem to stick with what they have until something breaks, even if it doesn't seem to be working.
 
Ron Dayne is not a starter. Period. He missed cutback after cutback today, and it was pretty annoying from where I was sitting because those lanes were pretty wide. Gado could have been in there a few plays where I thought it was Dayne, those two are hard to tell apart from the nosebleeds.

The Gado trade isn't looking too good so far, even though Morency hasn't had much of a shot in GB, but I thought he was improving in Kubiak's system. Now we are stuck with Redd Fox. Stinkage.
 
The only option we really have is wait til after the bye week and wait till next year. Hopefully we can iron out some blocking issues which would maximize the limited RB talent, IMO, we currently have. If Dayne and Gado keep missing holes, I bet Lundy gets back into the mix.
 
Dayne runs with some power. He isn't awesome, or anything like that, but
I'd heard that he had no power running inside, was a cream puff for such a
big back. But I saw some efforts where he ran with decent strength.
 
nunusguy said:
Dayne runs with some power. He isn't awesome, or anything like that, but
I'd heard that he had no power running inside, was a cream puff for such a
big back. But I saw some efforts where he ran with decent strength.
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One of the things that bother me, and most others, with Dayne is consistency. He can, at times, carry people; but then at times trip at the LOS. Today towards the end of the game when we needed that power back, he looked slow, tired, and couldn't get the push for first downs. I know some of it was on the OLine, but come on...make a play when your team needs you.
 
mancunian said:
sure has, but why has it been so chronic. Is it the scheme or is it the players are just not good enough. Lets hope DD is back to full fitness next year or we could be drafting a RB in April
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I wouldn't count on DD coming back next year. His career is over.
It time for Andre Perterson.:bananasplit:
 
JackDizzle said:
Ron Dayne is not a starter. Period. He missed cutback after cutback today, and it was pretty annoying from where I was sitting because those lanes were pretty wide. Gado could have been in there a few plays where I thought it was Dayne, those two are hard to tell apart from the nosebleeds.

The Gado trade isn't looking too good so far, even though Morency hasn't had much of a shot in GB, but I thought he was improving in Kubiak's system. Now we are stuck with Redd Fox. Stinkage.
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I so agree with you dude, the Gado trade was a bad one and Dayne IMO is not going to cut it. This is his 3rd team in three yrs. if i'm correct. Was never a full time starter with the Giants or Broncos. IMO Morency would probably have done a better job if given the chance. What happened to Lundy?? Riding the pine by the looks of it.
 
I still think Gado can have a impact, but the holes just don't seem to be opening up right now. I miss the s##t out of DD.
 
Yeah, he's the man for the team, if only he can stay healthy. Holes will come in time. We basically have a whole new team and the line just needs some time to work together.
 
Next draft we need to get a RB, but not in first round, who you think will be available in 2nd and so on. The guy from Rutgers look pretty good.
 
K.D. said:
Next draft we need to get a RB, but not in first round, who you think will be available in 2nd and so on. The guy from Rutgers look pretty good.
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Mattheus_Rex said:
Definatly not first round. We need to fix our defensive secondary or it won't matter Jesus is playing RB.
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See, this is what makes America great...

I disagree with both of you guys. We need that elite back to make weapons. He will not be found in the 3 or 4th rounds, but the 1st. His name is Adrian Peterson this year. If we keep waiting to "try" and find that "jewel" in later rounds, we will never have the running game we so want. But who am I to say? I wanted De'Angelo Williams last year...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
See, this is what makes America great...

I disagree with both of you guys. We need that elite back to make weapons. He will not be found in the 3 or 4th rounds, but the 1st. His name is Adrian Peterson this year. If we keep waiting to "try" and find that "jewel" in later rounds, we will never have the running game we so want. But who am I to say? I wanted De'Angelo Williams last year...
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My only thought on this is that we will be about 5-11 and out of the running for Peterson.
 
blockhead83 said:
We need to find a better RB this next off-season for sure, but our run blocking has been pretty shiesty as well. It's going to take a while for this group to gel and really pick up this zone blocking scheme. The sooner the better. I think we'll have a decent running game in place by the end of the year.
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I bet Miami is saying the same thing.

NewOrleans as well. They've got $60 mill tied up in 2 Runningbacks, and didn't get 50 yards out of either of them.
 
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