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Is Mario Williams NFL ready?

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There was a lot of talk about how drafting Wiliams #1 would allow us to play the #1 pick more than if we drafted Young (1-2 year project) or Bush (split carries).

All the commentators thorughout the game, a lot of the posters, and even I have noticed recently that despite having great athletic ability, he seems utterly confused in the NFL. He bites on fakes, misses on screens, and reacts too slowly almost every other time. He's not quick off the snap. He doesn't have any move other than the bull rush. He often launches himself as a tackler instead of making the solid wrap-up hit.

So here is my question: Are we rushing him into the starting lineup? We have some decent backup DEs, so why not start them and let Williams sit for a few weeks? Is it the media? Is it his confidence? Right now I actually think he is more of a liability than threat, and I would rather play Babin or Peek than continue getting poor play from someone just because he's getting $60+ million
 
he's might be rushed into the starting lineup, but he sho' hasn't rushed no quartabacks.

(said it before anyone else to get it out of the way.)
 
I want to hear from people who attended practices, has he ever showed any of you that he has a swim move, or did he lower his shoulder and degree his body, I have yet to see any of these two and even Courtney Brown possessed this, heck even Thomas Johnson displays signs of it.
 
Every sports news station in the country is saying Mario is raw........he might need some time to watch from the side as you stated, the pressure on him is enormous, I'm sure that does not help neither.....
 
If he was to sit and watch. Who's going to fill the spot? Has anyone noticed someone stepping up? From what I saw yesterday, no.
 
he looks unready, but who doesnt look unready on this defense? mario probably isnt the weakest link on our defense. the only reason why people exploit him as being the weakest link is because we drafted him over bush.
 
and im not a big fan of what the coaching staff has done with him by moving him around the line. sure it says alot about how the coaches feel about his potential, but its hard to get comfortable when u are lining up at different spots. they need to keep him in one spot and let him get comfortable b4 transitioning him around.
 
Mario is seeming more and more like a long-term project, but there is no reason to not have him in there getting game experience vs. seasoned pros.
 
Mario Williams is raw...he has zero football instinct. He runs himself out of plays, has zero bull rush, and stands upright way way way too much and loses all his leverage. He is easily blocked by TE's right now...hell, even blocking backs are stoning him. Too bad Wake Forest isn't on our schedule.
 
He has not shown a shred of evidence that he was deserving of being No. 1 overall. Maybe Reggie Bush hasn't put up monster stats yet (though he has produced), but he's definitely shown glimpses. I haven't watched Vince Young play to know whether he has or not, but he'll be starting in Tennessee later this year so he must be doing something right. D'Brickashaw had that monster block on a long run down the sideline, and the Jets are 2-1 and he's played a role in it. Vernon Davis has caught a TD, made a few nice plays, but then got hurt yesterday and is out for a month. AJ Hawk has made a couple of plays here and there in Green Bay.

Mario has done zero. He's shown zero prospects of anything like a top defensive player. And he's shown zero intensity. I'm thinking that's not "raw". He's just not that good.
 
If he is a bust, as a number 1 overall, that would set us back 2 years IMO.

Also IMO, you don't take that big of a project overall number 1, especially in this years draft class.

We were told that McNair wants to win now, not later, that is why we took Mario. That tells me that they didn't think he was that much of a project. That tells me that the head office made an assumption that was wrong.

Sad truth is that 3 of our D-Linemen we drafted in the first round who may not be able to start on most of the other teams in the league...
 
I agree, he's getting locked up too easily by weaker opponents in 1 on 1's. He should have a sack by now considering he's not double teamed and the TE is put on him. Inexcuseable. He needs to go look at tapes of Reggie White and learn how to do more moves.
 
Quote from Mario about the Skins.

“He was throwing the ball quickly for one thing, and I was getting double and triple-teamed. They were using play action pass with a tight end and a tackle blocking me. As a unit, though we still have to make strides to get better and get back there to disrupt the play.”

Was he getting doubled, and tripple teamed? I didnt see it.
 
Vinny said:
Mario Williams is raw...he has zero football instinct. He runs himself out of plays, has zero bull rush, and stands upright way way way too much and loses all his leverage. He is easily blocked by TE's right now...hell, even blocking backs are stoning him. Too bad Wake Forest isn't on our schedule.
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Exactly. I watched him every play he was on the field (through binoculars), and he was getting owned. He NEVER showed any flashes of greatness, to where you could say "now I see why they drafted him".

One play a TE blocked him and went on to catch a pass for a gain. Another had an o-lineman picking him up where Mario's feet kept running but there was no ground. It looked like a freakin' cartoon!

I've given him the benefit of the doubt...but that doubt is creeping into my inner being.
 
Vinny said:
Mario Williams is raw...he has zero football instinct. He runs himself out of plays, has zero bull rush, and stands upright way way way too much and loses all his leverage. He is easily blocked by TE's right now...hell, even blocking backs are stoning him. Too bad Wake Forest isn't on our schedule.
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Anybody else see that Redskins TE tie him up for the block, let him go, and then catch the ball? They were toying with him.

I've been trying to take up for him but he's making it tough....

I'm thinking that Richard Smith is more of a problem than anybody playing...even D-Rob looks like a chump lately.
 
i did not zero in on mario every play, the few times i watched him, he was not getting double or triple teamed. He would try to rush from the outside and all the blocker had to due was just follow and push him out of the play. he took himself out of alot of plays with this outside rush and the back just slid inside on some plays. not impressive at all. no one in their right mind would triple team this guy. It is not necessary at this point in time.
 
Htown34s said:
If he is a bust, as a number 1 overall, that would set us back 2 years IMO.
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How does that set us back two years? If we are bad again this year, then we will likely draft in the top 5. We would basically be right back where we were coming into this year's draft.
 
Mario should challenge the others to a bench press or 3 cone drill, in shorts....that will show you some upside.
 
TheOgre said:
How does that set us back two years? If we are bad again this year, then we will likely draft in the top 5. We would basically be right back where we were coming into this year's draft.
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The same way Carr and his 60 mil contract set us back a couple of years waiting for him. When you take players at the top of the draft and pay them more than everyone else on your team and they don't play at a level at half that money you set yourself back.....as long as it takes for their play to match (at least remotely) their cap hit.
 
Football Decision My Foot!

Y'all Bought That Line. I Knew From The Jump He Was A Chump. What Did He Do In College? All Mario Was, Was Easier To Have Signed Before Training Camp Started. Plain And Simple. The Front Office Wanted Someone Signed Ahead Of Time In Case The Gm Serach Took Longer Than Expected. And Reggie, Although Small, Is Making Contributions To His Team. Mario Is Nothing More Than A Spectator In Uniform. He Has A Front Row Seat Every Game.
 
I think Mario has instincts, he is just not using them yet JMO. The thing I have a problem with is the rest of the DLINE and the LB/Safety if he is getting double teamed.

If he is getting double teamed and someone else on the DLINE should be 1 on 1 and if they cannot get past their guy, why aren't they sending LBs or Safety on a delay to help put pressure and get that extra guy off Mario.

I just hope they come to his aid and show Mario thanks for taking that extra guy. In defense, you want to get pressure form the front 4 of course, but is is the front 7 that really dictate the pressure!!!
 
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
I think Mario has instincts, he is just not using them yet JMO. The thing I have a problem with is the rest of the DLINE and the LB/Safety if he is getting double teamed.

If he is getting double teamed and someone else on the DLINE should be 1 on 1 and if they cannot get past their guy, why aren't they sending LBs or Safety on a delay to help put pressure and get that extra guy off Mario.

I just hope they come to his aid and show Mario thanks for taking that extra guy. In defense, you want to get pressure form the front 4 of course, but is is the front 7 that really dictate the pressure!!!
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The thing really is that he isnt double teamed. He is getting straight one man blocking and he will until he does something. I have not seen even his speed yet.
 
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
I think Mario has instincts, he is just not using them yet JMO.
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this is a strange statement. Do you think that football players that play "instinctively" turn this on and off? I see wooden, forced play by someone who doesn't seem to understand what he is doing. Even when he gets an edge on someone he seems to be totally lost at what to do next. So far he has only looked good in backside pursuit....and that is a backhanded compliment.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
The thing really is that he isnt double teamed. He is getting straight one man blocking and he will until he does something. I have not seen even his speed yet.
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My thoughts exactly. Why would I waste my time double teaming him when my FB or TE can do the job himself. He can't shed his blockers quick enough to make any tackles much less beat his man for a sack or even pressure the opposing QB. People keep saying it isn't fair to compare him and Reggie since they play different positions, so why not compare their contributions to their rescpective teams. Reggie does contribute, Mario doesn't! Somebody please tell me what was so impressive about him in college that warrented him being rated so high.
 
Vinny said:
this is a strange statement. Do you think that football players that play "instinctively" turn this on and off? I see wooden, forced play by someone who doesn't seem to understand what he is doing. Even when he gets an edge on someone he seems to be totally lost at what to do next. So far he has only looked good in backside pursuit....and that is a backhanded compliment.
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Hey, I would get on my feet and yell like crazy if the guy just hit the QB, even if it is late and costs us 15 yards. I want something, anything right now. Tackles my rear, I want to see him at least grab the jersey of the QB... But he hasn't even been THAT close yet...
 
You play two ways, you can play with instinct which is reaction and just go!!! or you play by the "book"

There are many players that go through this in the early part of their career. They are soo worried about the playbook, that they are concentrating on where the diagram shows I should be, kinds like "if I go here, the other person is suppose to be there, and that would mean this would happen."

Versus

The ball is snapped and knowing my techniques, game film studied, learning your opponent's tendancies, "I am going to rush this way or that way" still playing withing the scheme, but using your instincts to block your opponent in or out, down , or spin, or whatever.

The game slows down for a player that plays with insticts versus having too much going on in their head before the snap.

Urlacher went through this the first part of his rookie season, I see AJ Hawk going through it right now.

I think Mario may be in this "just don't get burned" mindframe, which is leading to him getting burned, instead of just GO GO GO!!! and deal with what happens after that.
 
"football instinct" does not equate to "reaction time". Playing "by the book" is what instinctive players do....instinctively.
 
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
Every sports news station in the country is saying Mario is raw........he might need some time to watch from the side as you stated, the pressure on him is enormous, I'm sure that does not help neither.....
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I'm sure that he has been rushed in to the lineup & his head is swimming, that happens to rooks. And like the above stated, he's got all kinds of pressure on him; having said that we are paying him too much to "watch" he needs to get out there & see how teams are gonna game plan against him, even if it is painful to watch. I don't think he is that much of a liability (at least not so much as the rest of the D) b/c he is getting there, he's just having trouble shedding the blocks. He has yet to gain an identity as a pass rusher (speed vs power), but that is mainly b/c he is young & raw. If he's doing this in yr. 3 then Houston, we have a problem.
 
If this guy has so many question marks, then why is he even out on the field? On the job training and big contract aside. I thought the idea was for the team to improve. Right now we are worse than last year, and we spent a ton of money on defensive players and not one of them has earned a cent of it.
 
Cincinnatikid said:
The thing really is that he isnt double teamed. He is getting straight one man blocking and he will until he does something. I have not seen even his speed yet.
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Mario's speed has been on display the whole season.... Anyone see how fast he runs right into a TE and tackle? He just doesn't go anywhere after that. He is regularly the first DLineman to be blocked out of a play.

I WANT to be sold on Mario as a long term solution. It is hard, but I think he is a good person, with good talent, and am not ready to throw him to the curb after three games.

The onus is on the coaching staff to get Mario the help he needs, which is coaching about the system, extensive video coaching, and technique coaching. Kubiak chose his horse, now he has to ride it.
 
I didn't see Mario getting double teamed at all yesterday, yet today in the Chronicle he is quoted as saying, "and I was getting double- and tripled-teamed. They were using play-action passes with a tight end and a tackle blocking me."

I have tried to have give Mario the benefit of the doubt, but now I am really starting to think we screwed that pick up royally. He has all the physical talents, but has no clue what he is doing on the field. This is going to be another long season.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm sure that he has been rushed in to the lineup & his head is swimming, that happens to rooks. And like the above stated, he's got all kinds of pressure on him; having said that we are paying him too much to "watch" he needs to get out there & see how teams are gonna game plan against him, even if it is painful to watch. I don't think he is that much of a liability (at least not so much as the rest of the D) b/c he is getting there, he's just having trouble shedding the blocks. He has yet to gain an identity as a pass rusher (speed vs power), but that is mainly b/c he is young & raw. If he's doing this in yr. 3 then Houston, we have a problem.
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Agreed. He is a man, he needs to go out and work on these things and take responsibility for his job. If he isn't getting it done, then for $56M, he better be in the tape room early, often, and the last one to leave.
 
Bearfan Blue and Orange said:
Playing by the book AFTER you have learned it.

Instictively is not "just playing by the book"... it is "playing without thinking"
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instinct is understanding body language, leverage, angles and when to drive someone into the ground when you have leverage, or when to spin when the opponent leans to much one way...football instinct is the ability to shoot the gap because you feel that the run is coming your way based on how your opponent's feet are aligned....instinct is taking the proper angle when you run down a player on the edge...instinct in football is all about having a good feel for leverage and speed and exploiting it when it is your favor. Coaching players proven techniques can enhance your instinct, but if don't have any to begin with you end up looking like Mario Williams.
 
Double Barrel said:
Exactly. I watched him every play he was on the field (through binoculars), and he was getting owned. He NEVER showed any flashes of greatness, to where you could say "now I see why they drafted him".

One play a TE blocked him and went on to catch a pass for a gain. Another had an o-lineman picking him up where Mario's feet kept running but there was no ground. It looked like a freakin' cartoon!

I've given him the benefit of the doubt...but that doubt is creeping into my inner being.
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He told the press in the locker room that he was getting double and triple teamed. I was at the game and I didn't notice much double and certainly no triple teaming. He gets in the backfield after the running back is already five yard up the field or the quarterback has already left the pocket. I was also trying to stay positive and upbeat about taking him over Reggie Bush, but it is getting extremely difficult to ignore the performance I see on the field. Meanwhile, Bush is probably going to be a human highlight film tonight in New Orleans. I closed my eyes while I was in section 623 yesterday and pictured Bush in my head wearing a #25 Texans battle red jersey. It looked awfully sweet.
 
Super Mario said:
Quote from Mario about the Skins.

“He was throwing the ball quickly for one thing, and I was getting double and triple-teamed. They were using play action pass with a tight end and a tackle blocking me. As a unit, though we still have to make strides to get better and get back there to disrupt the play.”

Was he getting doubled, and tripple teamed? I didnt see it.
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Sometimes? I thought they helped with a second man quite often, but I don't think that was a function of Mario so much as having 6 or 7 to block 4 nearly every time.
 
Well Reggie Will be on Tonight So Make sure ya'll check 'em out...
 
noxiousdog said:
Sometimes? I thought they helped with a second man quite often, but I don't think that was a function of Mario so much as having 6 or 7 to block 4 nearly every time.
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The d line isn't getting much of a push, but there isn't a whole lot of quick decision linebacking going on either. When Dunta is our leading tackler the poop has really hit the fan. Andre and Dunta played some amazing football yesterday, but it wasn't worth the price of admission.

Oh, and speaking of admission. They announced the paid attendance to be over 70 thou.... I bet there weren't enough fannys there to fill the juice box downtown.
 
Can someone point to a particular play he was stoned by a tightend or a FB??

I thought he had a good game yesterday. He was beating #76 all day. That hold on #76, that was Mario on his way to sack.

I remember seeing Cooley trying to cut block Mario, and he swished him to the side, like a fly.

They ran the ball away from Mario a lot. and those dump offs hurt anyone's chance to get a sack.

I think there is so much pressure on Mario to get a sack, that Richard Smith is rushing the QB on every play, instead of playing the run....... & the way the whole Defensive line looks, I doubt they even seen the reverse in practice.

Mario's got it. Everything Kubiak has said he has........ the man's is going to be a monster, once the DL plays as a DL, and the Defense plays as a team.
 
Trade'06pick said:
The d line isn't getting much of a push, but there isn't a whole lot of quick decision linebacking going on either. When Dunta is our leading tackler the poop has really hit the fan. Andre and Dunta played some amazing football yesterday, but it wasn't worth the price of admission.

Oh, and speaking of admission. They announced the paid attendance to be over 70 thou.... I bet there weren't enough fannys there to fill the juice box downtown.
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Dunta made some good stops no doubt. but his man scored on us twice. There was one play in particular..... Randall El lined up as an H-back on Brunnels right.... Dunta had him one on one.

Cooley was the other Hback on Brunnels left.....

I believe Betts was the tailback. All manned up. The tailback & Cooley went right, towards Dunta.... Randle El went left away from Dunta. Dunta had to run all the way across the field and was way too late on the play.

Smart play by Washington. I expect to see it with regularity for the rest of the season.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think there is so much pressure on Mario to get a sack, that Richard Smith is rushing the QB on every play, instead of playing the run.......
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C'mon....Rushing the QB instead of playing the run ??? If he wanted the QB so bad he'd blitz more.....Thats an exscuse...Mario hasn't played well so far because he isn't good...yet...or at all...take your pick...
 
thunderkyss said:
Can someone point to a particular play he was stoned by a tightend or a FB??

I thought he had a good game yesterday. He was beating #76 all day. That hold on #76, that was Mario on his way to sack.
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no offense, but we watched two different games I guess. Williams looked lost to me. He was pretty much invisible.
 
BattleRedToro said:
Its very easy to block 4 defensive lineman long enough to make a short screen pass with 5 or more blockers when you know where the rush will be coming from; because, your Defensive Coordinator won't call a blitz more than once a game. Then, it turns into a big gain; because, the reciever is so wide open. They lost due more to bad playcalling than anything else.
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the blitz is exactly what you don't want to call vs the screen. Nice try though.
 
I don't have time or the patience to focus on one player and I'm not a fan of the "break down the game" shows but it would seem from all the comments on this board that this guy is not being coached very well.

He has physical tools but it seems they aren't being utilized or developed.
 
thunderkyss said:
Dunta made some good stops no doubt. but his man scored on us twice. There was one play in particular..... Randall El lined up as an H-back on Brunnels right.... Dunta had him one on one.
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Several times this year our DB's have made assignment mistakes that led to TDs or big gains. Just because Dunta is closest to someone who is wide open doesn't mean it was his guy. Our DB's aren't switching off very well right now.

If you ask me, there are only two outstanding players on our entire team, Dunta and AJ. Thats it.
 
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