Wolf
100% Texan
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Kubiak takes responsibility
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Wolf
100% Texan
Hervoyel
BUENO!
All of that stuff looks very familiar to me and I couldn't understand why. Oh sure we heard it last week but that's not what I'm talking about. I mean that something about the wording triggered an old memory. I had a little deja vu going on for a moment and then it hit me.
Hugh Campbell.
This team acts and plays just like the Hugh Campbell era Oilers right down to the honest "I take all the blame" post-game comments from the head coach.
Hugh Campbell.
This team acts and plays just like the Hugh Campbell era Oilers right down to the honest "I take all the blame" post-game comments from the head coach.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
It goes well with his crazy sack stat though doesn't it?
Seriously though fumbles are not a good thing. Sacks you can say "Well his line can't protect him" and that tends to be accepted as true even though sometimes it's not the whole story. Fumbles are all about David and once you get that reputation for being a player who fumbles a lot people will always come after you to try and cause one. Being a fumbler is like throwing a lot of picks.
If he had insane interception numbers along with those fumbles then he'd already be gone I think.
Agreed, and I'd feel even worse about it if our O-Line didn't suck so much. How many of the fumbles came from being stepped on or blown snap-counts, that's the "other half of that stat I'd like to see.
Kubes is taking the blame, but I want to see some more a**-chewing if that's what it takes. The last-second Defensive substitutions weren't helping any either.
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
Well, at least he didn't use the word 'execute', and he did accept blame. However, he keeps talking about it being his responsibilty to make everything 'better.' So, will we hear what he's going to do to make things 'better,' or will that exist on a weekly basis like 'execute?'
Mattheus_Rex
Waterboy
Stupid mistakes like fumbles can kill you for a game, but what's killing the team for the season is the lack of any effective seconday. A perfect example of that is that Portis shuffle pass. The Redskins whole intent was to get a couple extra yards for the easy field goal and ended up with tha 30 yd TD.
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
I hope we hear something specific about how he plans on "getting better", otherwise saying you take responsibility is just empty words and does not mean anything.
Houston_Fanatic
Maximum
It looked like to me that they quit playing altogether and figured the half was over since time was running out. You can't do that in the NFL. I won't even comment on the second half... :brickwall
I so want Gary to succeed and be "the" coach that takes us to the elite level.
With that said...
This general thinking of "lets give him time" is not going to fly after this latest effort. The game plan and NO adjustments at half-time was and is inexcusable, period! There is no doubt that those knowledgeable enough realized that in all likelihood we would start out the season 0-3. But at this level? We can complain to hell and high-water about the lack of personnel and such, but IMO this was squarely on the shoulders of Richard Smith and Gary Kubiak.
The "aw shucks" it is my responsibility is going to grow very tiresome, very quick. I want to hear about some "Tuna" like blow-ups behind the scenes after the level of coaching from the defensive side shown in this game.
With that said...
This general thinking of "lets give him time" is not going to fly after this latest effort. The game plan and NO adjustments at half-time was and is inexcusable, period! There is no doubt that those knowledgeable enough realized that in all likelihood we would start out the season 0-3. But at this level? We can complain to hell and high-water about the lack of personnel and such, but IMO this was squarely on the shoulders of Richard Smith and Gary Kubiak.
The "aw shucks" it is my responsibility is going to grow very tiresome, very quick. I want to hear about some "Tuna" like blow-ups behind the scenes after the level of coaching from the defensive side shown in this game.
12Gage
Noob
Man, I swear I was that smiley durning the game.:brickwall I got a knot on my forehead to prove it. lol... seriouly I do
Reddevil63
Veteran
Not directing this at you personally or defending his fumblitis, just something to chew on...
ComstockLode
Waterboy
Daunte Culpepper should eventually take over that stat.
BigDTexansFan
Rookie
Carr 6 fumbles in last 2 games and lost 2 of those, not heartening at all
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Umm..no, Richard Smith and everyone associated with the D should fess up. That was a disgraceful outing. Their game checks should be donated to a childrens' hospital or something, not many guys deserve them.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't be so hard of Dunta, but I agree completely with blaming the D.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
utahmark
markbeth
it was hodgdons fault the first time. maybe carrs the second.
last game when he fumbled it was the center as well.
Im not gonna defend it to much, but before this season he had McKinney as his center.. who had never played center before.. this year he has had Flanagan and Hodgdon..two players i really like, but still new centers.. and some of those fumbled snaps werent Carrs fault.
Either way though, that is something that can be fixed.
I did have a question though.. pardon my youth but just how bad was the Hugh era?
Also, I liked this quote:
It sounds to me as though Kubiak is acknowledging the Defense sucks.. and says that he is going to look at what we are doing there and fix it. Which sounds to me as though some things are gonna be changing real quick and in a hurry.
I like Kube. I dunno why he is so stuck on taking all the blame.. maybe he really feels entirely responsible.. maybe he is really struggling in his role as head coach and feels as though he isnt doing well enough.. i dunno. But they say a good head coach is arrogant.. and taking all the blame doesnt strike me as arrogant. Could you see Tom Coughlin or Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick come out and take blame like that?
Im not gonna defend it to much, but before this season he had McKinney as his center.. who had never played center before.. this year he has had Flanagan and Hodgdon..two players i really like, but still new centers.. and some of those fumbled snaps werent Carrs fault.
Either way though, that is something that can be fixed.
I did have a question though.. pardon my youth but just how bad was the Hugh era?
Also, I liked this quote:
It sounds to me as though Kubiak is acknowledging the Defense sucks.. and says that he is going to look at what we are doing there and fix it. Which sounds to me as though some things are gonna be changing real quick and in a hurry.
I like Kube. I dunno why he is so stuck on taking all the blame.. maybe he really feels entirely responsible.. maybe he is really struggling in his role as head coach and feels as though he isnt doing well enough.. i dunno. But they say a good head coach is arrogant.. and taking all the blame doesnt strike me as arrogant. Could you see Tom Coughlin or Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick come out and take blame like that?
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Vinny a very honest statement. We are getting bit by the injury bug again. Its affecting our play in crazy ways. My biggest concern is the defense and stupid plays stopping the offense. Its not only Carr fumbling, because the new center is having trouble with the kadence(sp) count, but also plays like Pitts and Wiegert stopping drives at critical points. We have a defensive TD nullified by a penaly on T Johnson(I believe).
Take away the inopportune penalties and the game could well have been a lot closer than most think. We seem to be snake bitten as they say. Its just crazy what is happening to us. May be we just need to relax and quit tryiing so hard. Oh, I know you guys are going to yell at me about the defense, but sometimes you can simply say too much. People need to be reacting and not thinking.
Whatever defensive scheme we are running is no secret to the opposition. They seem to understand the scheme better than our defensive players do. It seems like there is nobody within 5 yards of the opposition when they are receivers.
In the post game interviews it certainly sounded like Carr was warning us that a negative attitude is starting to invade the locker rooms. As he said, its something to worry about. Our running game remains a mystry to us but not to the other team's defense. I keep saying we need to forget the running game and try to win the game by passing even if we don't run one play the whole day. It's not going to happen that way, but that's only way our running game will be effective.
What is interesting to me is how ineffective the Denver people that we have picked up are. You haven't heard much from Putz and Dayne. Daniels has been truely an amazing find. Why can't the people who supposidly know the offense run it successfully? I keep saying there is something fishy somewhere.
It is very frustrating to watch a team with this kind of talent unravel. We have a very good group of receivers in Daniels, Moulds and AJ. They should be a tough group to stop.
I have a very real concern about the style of coaching at the present time. Many of you are in the camp that believe a lot of people on the team need a good belittling. I tend to disagree with that, because I believe this team is like a group of young leaning disabled students. Yelling is counter productive in that situation. People have to learn to succeed before they can learn how to deal with failure. I believe this team was so desimated by Capers and staff that this team just simply doesn't have any confidence. We are mentally a very fragle team. Most of the coaches on the defense are yellers by nature, and that in fact, might be leading to a lot of the problems you are seeing.
painekiller
All Pro
Well he has to do something to get in the NFL record books. I think the league has forgotten Roman Gabrial except for this record. **edit note, I stand corrected I see Moon now has that record. Poor Roman he can't even keep the bad records.
painekiller
All Pro
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
Like Ibar and others, I'm a little confused right now. Unlike Capers, Kubiak accepts the blame for the teams plight and that's great, but I'm more concerned that 'changes' are not being made. I know I assumed that game planning and game adjustments would be a Kubiak strength but so far- for whatever reason-he has pretty much remained 'status quo.'
True, the offense has had some moments (like with AJ Sunday) and is still a work in progress, but the defense has been horrific. This years defensive stats are not only the worse in the NFL but make last years results (1st 3 games) 'pale' in comparison. What happened to the attacking defense we saw in pre-season? Why aren't we making changes?
True, the offense has had some moments (like with AJ Sunday) and is still a work in progress, but the defense has been horrific. This years defensive stats are not only the worse in the NFL but make last years results (1st 3 games) 'pale' in comparison. What happened to the attacking defense we saw in pre-season? Why aren't we making changes?
The current stretch of Houston Texans futility is worse than what Hugh Campbell threw at us. Larry Moriarty and all.
HC was 8-22 here. He lasted just under two seasons. He was brought here so we could get Moon.
The Texans current streak of futility is 2-18 if you go back to the Browns game at the end of '04. The Texans would have to go 6-4 in their next 10 to be as "bad" as Hugh Campbell's Oilers over a 30 game stretch.
Of course if the Texans went 6-4 in their next 10, obviously things will have turned around dramatically, but the numbers are thrown out there for effect.
I'm not ready to put the HC label on Kubiak just yet. Many coaches "accept responsibility" (and should) when things go wrong. It comes down to a matter of 'what are you going to do about it?' HC's success was in Canada which we know doesn't necessarly mean anything when you translate it to the NFL (save the Bud Grant and Doug Flutie lectures CFL fan). Kubiak's success in a system, but not as 'the' leader has been in the NFL. Richard Smith's success.....uh .......er........let me get back to you on that.
What we're seeing here now is as bad as the Biles/Studley 'era' or the 1983 season in particular. That has usually been my benchmark for bad here - in the last generation at least...
From what I saw at camp and what I read, I bought into the preseason talk about Smith's defense being aggressive and making big plays but giving up some too. I could still live with that, but the problem is that they are giving up big plays consistently and making none.
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
I was impressed..... excited even, that David got our widereicievers involved in the game early. But playing from behind early..... it's really hard to say how Carr is doing.
But....... we should all be able to agree that he still has room for improvement..... Like those three plays he underthrew his reciever. I know, I advocate that he should chunk it more often, & let our recievers make plays. But not like that. all three plays should have been thrown over the top. The two near the endzone, should have been to the back of the endzone.
Then, he left a lot of yards on the field, taking the underneath route, instead of hitting the reciever between the Corner & Safety in Zone coverage. AJ did a good job for him, taking a dumpoff, and getting big yards out of it. But there were better throws to be made out there. & when he hit Daniels for the touchdown....
Whew......... thank God Owen has good hands.....
BUt defensively..... they are on the field too much. Not being able to get defensive stops (2 in the first Qtr) is part of the problem, but not keeping the offense on the field adds to the problem as well. Still, there are a lot of wholes on Deffense..... Where on Offense, I see more missed opportunity than wholes.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
Dunta had the most tackles on the team. Pitiful.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
[[Gary Kubiak]];451614 said:
I watched a good portion of the Den/NE game last night & it is even more apparent now than it was before. We have special Teamers out there starting on defense. Denver's front 4 wasn't doing much but the LB's were flying all over the place & the DB's were playing covering guys up as they came into their zone area making Brady hold the ball a split second longer. Like you said guys are just getting beat, & like Vinny said its going to be a long fix.
Hulk75
Veteran
Nobody cares. Vinny on those plays there was not a play, it is were Carr comes up to the line does his cadence and when the defense shows what they are doing Carr makes a play off of what they just showed him.
You know what is even more crazy, 500 yards given up every Sunday by our Defense.
texan279
Hall of Fame
I think Kubiak should blame Smith. Can we keep one defensive line in the game for at least one series? Does Smith have to switch players around every play or two? And how about a blitz? Have we seen one blitz this season? If Smith thinks we can get pressore on any QB by bringing 4 all game long we will be giving up 500+ yards to every team we face this season.
Maybe a change should be to swap them out each possession and much less during a series, unless it is obviously the right thing to do in a specific situation.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I understand what you are saying about rotating to keep a fresh unit in, but why are they tired? They aren't doing anything out there to exert any energy. Seriously though, we need to bring pressure regardless where it comes from. Where are the blitz packages we saw last year where Dunta would come from the corner spot? I have heard that we aren't going to blitz until our front 4 D linemen can get pressure on their own. Why is that? I understand the mentality behind that as well, but it is apparent that they are not capable of applying pressure on their own so give them some FREAKIN' HELP! Man I'm so pissed off. I tried to be optomistic these past 2 weeks, but I expected us to show up to play yesterday and I am livid! Someone shoot me...........please?
D-Vizzl
Waterboy
If you are switching lineman every play they still have to run off the field, and come back a couple plays later so they probably are already tired. One thing i'm tired of is keep having to go back and relook plays because I dvd games and try to look for mario, he is lde one play rde another and a tackle the next, it's getting ridiculous, you can't get a feel for the game if you don't know where you will be.
Smith-
This is an area where Kubiak can change his philosophy if he is taking responsibility for some problems. Let's move Mario around after he learns one position at an NFL level.
K
kingh99
Guest
He's channeling Jim Zorn out there. That guy gave the fans of Seattle 10 long years of unfullfilled promise. And a lot of fumbles and batted down balls.
D-Vizzl
Waterboy
I almost don't know why this philosophy is even in effect, I could be wrong but Peppers (for sure) didn't move around his rookie year, you also have Freeney who didn't, Kearse, Richard Seymour and so on and so on. I thought that the days were over where we draft a player and then experiment with what we want him to be.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
It is good to see Kubiak taking responsibilty, for his teams actions after all, how many times have you ever seen the whole team get fired, they fire the coach......and Rick Smith.....has this guy even been seen on TV yet to explain what is going on with the team, at least Charlie came out with his glasses sitting sideways on his face and fogged up, saying we did not execute over and over every week, where is Rick Smith ! 
ericdoesntcare
Practice Squad
Its "Shovel" not Shuffle.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
The defense is just plain awful. Who gets the blame? Who really has control? And whose unit(s) has been given the latitude to move slower in order to get the correct behavior down in order to pin back the ears and get after it? At this point it is failing regardless, but if you just release the hounds do you surrender the correct development for more blitzing? I do not see anyone that has gotten better yet and I blame the whole coaching staff, top to bottom. I also blame Casserly and Capers. I expected the defense to not be good due to our secondary shortcomings, but I did not expect it to regress. We talk about attitude with players, I am beginning to think we may have an attitude with the coaches which is the reason we have seen this type of regression so quickly.
Some defensive stats:
- We are giving up 483 yards per game. The next team is at 388.
- We give up 6.9 yards per play. The next team is at 5.9.
- We have given up 26 3rd down conversions on 38 attempts, 68.4% of the time.
- We have the fourth most penalties on defense, but we have penalized for the most yards.
The offense is the same offense to me. I have seen no visible improvement. Our signings as I feared would not change our fortunes (Carr, Moulds, Flanagan, Putzier, Walter, Dayne, Rosenfels, etc).
If Kubiak wants to take blame then give us the plan, make us want to have your back. Him falling on the sword is not an out for this team or its players when it comes to us fans who have been here since the inception of this team. We want a change in attitude and command. The team appears it needs a change in attitude and command. There is one position on the field that does just that. Will he have the gumption to make it? He better make it quick, because the team is my opinion will quit on him pretty soon due to there only being a couple of changes left that have not been made since our first game in franchise history.
Some defensive stats:
- We are giving up 483 yards per game. The next team is at 388.
- We give up 6.9 yards per play. The next team is at 5.9.
- We have given up 26 3rd down conversions on 38 attempts, 68.4% of the time.
- We have the fourth most penalties on defense, but we have penalized for the most yards.
The offense is the same offense to me. I have seen no visible improvement. Our signings as I feared would not change our fortunes (Carr, Moulds, Flanagan, Putzier, Walter, Dayne, Rosenfels, etc).
If Kubiak wants to take blame then give us the plan, make us want to have your back. Him falling on the sword is not an out for this team or its players when it comes to us fans who have been here since the inception of this team. We want a change in attitude and command. The team appears it needs a change in attitude and command. There is one position on the field that does just that. Will he have the gumption to make it? He better make it quick, because the team is my opinion will quit on him pretty soon due to there only being a couple of changes left that have not been made since our first game in franchise history.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
At least Zorn was fun to watch.
K
kingh99
Guest
Those guys can tunnel and spin. No such indication our stud can do anything other than run plays down from behind. He does pursue line to line pretty well. He's a tweener right now. Too big to be a tunneling or spinning speed rusher, too athletic to be a load.
Texans Horror
All Pro
Sweeping player changes on Defense? This year is a complete repeat of last season. Wasn't it about this time last year that Riley, Babin, and P-Buc were yanked? I'll await a weird injury to sideline AJ the rest of the year.