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Mario v Reggie

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Texan Ned

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Lets follow these two all season and see who is most productive and more worthy of being THE #1 pick. I mean seriously, are the Saints THAT much better than the Texans?

Game 1

Mario 2 Tackles 1 Assist 0 Sacks

Reggie 61 Rush Yds 58 Rec Yds 0 TD's

Season to Date

Mario 2/1/0
Reggie 61/58/0
 
While we're at it let's compare oh I don't know ... oranges and apples or night versus day. Don't mean to be a smart a&* but this horse is dead ...
at least on this board it should be
 
I shouldn't have even read this thread but honestly, how can you compare a DE and a RB? Two different positions on two different sides of the ball on two different teams. Just because the guys were drafted #1 and #2 overall doesn't mean they can justly be compared to one another.
 
Texan Ned said:
Lets follow these two all season and see who is most productive and more worthy of being THE #1 pick. I mean seriously, are the Saints THAT much better than the Texans?

Game 1

Mario 2 Tackles 1 Assist 0 Sacks

Reggie 61 Rush Yds 58 Rec Yds 0 TD's

Season to Date

Mario 2/1/0
Reggie 61/58/0
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I agree. Let's follow them despite all the ridiculous homerism on this board. The staff should be accountable for the decision they made, good or bad.

I swear; some people think being a fan is putting "earmuffs" on and saying, "la la la la la la...I'm NOT listening"; no matter what evidence is shown.

The question is, how good is this apple relative to other apples compared to this orange relative to other oranges?
 
caspian said:
I agree. Let's follow them despite all the ridiculous homerism on this board. The staff should be accountable for the decision they made, good or bad.

I swear; some people think being a fan is putting "earmuffs" on and saying, "la la la la la la...I'm NOT listening"; no matter what evidence is shown.

The question is, how good is this apple relative to other apples compared to this orange relative to other oranges?
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Wow - could that make any less sense? What other apples were #1 DE's? and #2 RB's? Relatively speaking that is :rolleyes:
 
I think this is beating a dead horse, but for arguments sake...The two can be compared...Who was the better player last year...Favre or Freeney ? Tomlinson or Travis Johnson ? It's not rocket science...If they both do relatively well then why would it matter ? One will have to do extremely better than the other one for someone to say i told you so...
 
Why did'nt we draft Laurence Moroney ... he had 145 total yds on less touches than Reggie Bush . We are dumb #$# because we did'nt draft LM .

How can we be so stupid he carried , the University of Minnesota and did'nt have Matt L , Lendale , Byrd , Justice , or the two gaurds that were drafted to lighten the load . Nope we're stupid because Moroney's the real deal . To hell with Mario and to hell with Reggie ... LM for ROY .:hunter:
 
Let's say Reggie turns out to be a HoF'er and Mario busts. Oops, didn't see that coming, in hindsight Kubiak should've gone for Reggie. Now what? Will you be content if we all kick and scream and lament over how stupid our front office is, and how reggie was so great, and how you knew it all along? There's no crystal ball folks, if we look back 5 years from now and see we made a mistake then we made a mistake, no sense b*tching about it. I advise you to judge Kubiak based on how our team performs with him at the helm, not how lucky he gets in the crapshoot they call the draft. One player, one draft pick does not a team make.

As for keeping track of their stats to seeing who's playing better, sure. That's interesting, but not very indicative of who will be better for their team in the long run.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Why did'nt we draft Laurence Moroney ... he had 145 total yds on less touches than Reggie Bush . We are dumb #$# because we did'nt draft LM .

How can we be so stupid he carried , the University of Minnesota and did'nt have Matt L , Lendale , Byrd , Justice , or the two gaurds that were drafted to lighten the load . Nope we're stupid because Moroney's the real deal . To hell with Mario and to hell with Reggie ... LM for ROY .:hunter:
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I like LM too but "to hell with Mario"???? Dude that is out of line if you are a Texans fan. What could possibly prompt that???
 
let's see. two positions that recieve different levels of hype. there's the flashy rb position played by reggie bush, and then there is the more grunt work position, dl, being played by m williams. the numbers of a rb are bigger in comparison to the of a dl position. plus...i have a question. what's the average tackles a dlineman makes in a season? i'll take williams over bush all the time because it will better for the team in the long run.
 
blockhead83 said:
Let's say Reggie turns out to be a HoF'er and Mario busts. Oops, didn't see that coming, in hindsight Kubiak should've gone for Reggie. Now what? Will you be content if we all kick and scream and lament over how stupid our front office is, and how reggie was so great, and how you knew it all along? There's no crystal ball folks, if we look back 5 years from now and see we made a mistake then we made a mistake, no sense b*tching about it. I advise you to judge Kubiak based on how our team performs with him at the helm, not how lucky he gets in the crapshoot they call the draft. One player, one draft pick does not a team make.

As for keeping track of their stats to seeing who's playing better, sure. That's interesting, but not very indicative of who will be better for their team in the long run.
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Although its way too early to make any judgements whether any of these rookies will pan out to be quality picks, I disagree that wasting first round, top 10 picks will not make ur franchise; bad personnel decisions always haunt a team. Look at Capers' crew, there first decision was to bring in Boselli, and the franchise is still dealing with that mistake. I can't think of many teams with first picks that don't pan out, but still wins (Broncos maybe w/ the WRs). Bottom line, if Mario or any top 15 pick is a bust, the stink will not go away for a good while...
 
TreWardTxn said:
Although its way too early to make any judgements whether any of these rookies will pan out to be quality picks, I disagree that wasting first round, top 10 picks will not make ur franchise; bad personnel decisions always haunt a team. Look at Capers' crew, there first decision was to bring in Boselli, and the franchise is still dealing with that mistake. I can't think of many teams with first picks that don't pan out, but still wins (Broncos maybe w/ the WRs). Bottom line, if Mario or any top 15 pick is a bust, the stink will not go away for a good while...
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I know I'm gonna get the whole "When did Football=Basketball" argument but...Darko Milicic(sp)
 
Jesus. Since it was such a huge issue and so many people had such strong opinions, I just thought it would be fun to follow the production of each throughout the season. Who cares about apples and oranges, just have a little fun and go with it. Afterall, since the Texans spent the #1 pick on a DE, wouldn't you expect him to be an LT (Lawrence Taylor) type of impact player...without the coke of course???
 
19-10 said:
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I like LM too but "to hell with Mario"???? Dude that is out of line if you are a Texans fan. What could possibly prompt that???
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I detect a hint of sarcasm...

The Texans FO tried to trade up to get Maroney or DeAngelo Williams, but the Bears offered more. We wouldn't have ended up with Meco, so I'm not complaining.
 
You're right Brandon, this thread is beating a dead horse. A fair grade would be AFTER the season.
 
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Texan Ned said:
Jesus. Since it was such a huge issue and so many people had such strong opinions, I just thought it would be fun to follow the production of each throughout the season. Who cares about apples and oranges, just have a little fun and go with it. Afterall, since the Texans spent the #1 pick on a DE, wouldn't you expect him to be an LT (Lawrence Taylor) type of impact player...without the coke of course???
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LT wasnt LT in his first season. People are sick of this type of comparisson between the two where Mario is already placed at a disadvantage because of the position he plays added to the fact most D-linemen take a while to deveolp. Meanwhile Reggie has a nationwide PR firm in ESPN and a high impact position.

Damn, about two days ago i said i would not read or post in any threads comparing Reggie and Mario...so much for that
 
run-david-run said:
LT wasnt LT in his first season. People are sick of this type of comparisson between the two where Mario is already placed at a disadvantage because of the position he plays added to the fact most D-linemen take a while to deveolp. Meanwhile Reggie has a nationwide PR firm in ESPN and a high impact position.

Damn, about two days ago i said i would not read or post in any threads comparing Reggie and Mario...so much for that
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Are you talking about Lawrence Taylor? Taylor had 9.5 sacks his rookie season and made the pro bowl. I am not dogging Mario here just saying.
 
caspian said:
The question is, how good is this apple relative to other apples compared to this orange relative to other oranges?
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Mario*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks.
Freeney*: 0 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks
Strahan*: 4 tackles, 2 assists, 0 sacks
Taylor*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Kearse*: 1 tackle, 0 assists, 1 sack
Howard*: 2 tackles, 0 assist, 0 sacks


Reggie: 14 att 61 yards, 8 receptions, 58 yards (22 touches 119 yards.)
LT*: 31 carries 131 yards 3 receptions 18 yards 1 Td (34 touches 149 yards)
Barber*: 18 carries 110 yards 5 receptions 61yards 0 TDs (23 touches 171 yards)
RudiJohnson*: 28 carries 96 yards 1 reception 7 yards 1 TD (29 touches 113 yards)
Westbrook*: 17 carries 71 yards 4 receptions 81 yards 0 TDs (21 touches 152 yards)

* all these players are consider too important to their teams to be used on special teams.

Mario appears to be middle of the pack.

Reggie seems to be dragging the rear.
 
thunderkyss said:
Mario*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks.
Freeney*: 0 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks
Strahan*: 4 tackles, 2 assists, 0 sacks
Taylor*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Kearse*: 1 tackle, 0 assists, 1 sack
Howard*: 2 tackles, 0 assist, 0 sacks


Reggie: 14 att 61 yards, 8 receptions, 58 yards (22 touches 119 yards.)
LT*: 31 carries 131 yards 3 receptions 18 yards 1 Td (34 touches 149 yards)
Barber*: 18 carries 110 yards 5 receptions 61yards 0 TDs (23 touches 171 yards)
RudiJohnson*: 28 carries 96 yards 1 reception 7 yards 1 TD (29 touches 113 yards)
Westbrook*: 17 carries 71 yards 4 receptions 81 yards 0 TDs (21 touches 152 yards)

* all these players are consider too important to their teams to be used on special teams.

Mario appears to be middle of the pack.

Reggie seems to be dragging the rear.
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Of the elite, one of the better D lineman overall. But once again, I must state that defensive lineman cannot be judged based on stats. You can have a Pro Bowl lineman who has one sack for the whole season.
 
Texan Ned said:
Jesus. Since it was such a huge issue and so many people had such strong opinions, I just thought it would be fun to follow the production of each throughout the season. Who cares about apples and oranges, just have a little fun and go with it. Afterall, since the Texans spent the #1 pick on a DE, wouldn't you expect him to be an LT (Lawrence Taylor) type of impact player...without the coke of course???
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I like the intention.... we're going to be talking about them anyway. It would be nice to have the stats in one place.


wasn't LT a Linebacker??
 
frankly i couldn't give a rats a** what reggie did or does the rest of the season. He ain't going to help us win any games. We didn't pick him so get over it. He don't play with us, he's not in our division, or conference. we've got more important things in the AFC to worry about than what reggie did during his game. Good luck to him and the Saints, but the only thing that matters to me is how the Texans do and how we play against our immediate opponent.:texan: thats my opinion on the reggie matter
 
Of course LT was an LB, just making a point that the #1 overall pick SHOULD be an impact player. Looks like that this week our #2 pick was THE Impact player, leading both teams in tackles.
 
My grandfather used to say that if I had a brain I would take it out of my head and play with it. It never made sense until now.
 
Vinny or cak.... please rename this thread "I can't seem to find my brain". I like that better than the "My pee pee hurts", even though that was an awesome one.
 
You know if Mario never turns out to be a very good DE I was just thinking he should make a really good LT. He is quick agile and seems to love locking up with people. We could put Spencer at LG.

I know he was not drafted to be a LT, but I'm just throwing it out there. :shoot: :hunter: :shoot:



P.S. I do expect Mario to turn things around in the coming weeks when he is more relaxed out there, and not so much in his own head.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I think this is beating a dead horse, but for arguments sake...The two can be compared...Who was the better player last year...Favre or Freeney ? Tomlinson or Travis Johnson ? It's not rocket science...If they both do relatively well then why would it matter ? One will have to do extremely better than the other one for someone to say i told you so...
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Bingo.
 
run-david-run said:
People are sick of this type of comparisson between the two where Mario is already placed at a disadvantage because of the position he plays added to the fact most D-linemen take a while to deveolp. Meanwhile Reggie has a nationwide PR firm in ESPN and a high impact position.
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A high impact position with one of the shortest learning curves...

Why are their stats lined up like this? Is Mario supposed to have recorded 61 tackles and 58 assists against the Eagles to be on par with Reggie? I'm clueless.
 
thunderkyss said:
Mario*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks.
Freeney*: 0 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks
Strahan*: 4 tackles, 2 assists, 0 sacks
Taylor*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Kearse*: 1 tackle, 0 assists, 1 sack
Howard*: 2 tackles, 0 assist, 0 sacks


Reggie: 14 att 61 yards, 8 receptions, 58 yards (22 touches 119 yards.)
LT*: 31 carries 131 yards 3 receptions 18 yards 1 Td (34 touches 149 yards)
Barber*: 18 carries 110 yards 5 receptions 61yards 0 TDs (23 touches 171 yards)
RudiJohnson*: 28 carries 96 yards 1 reception 7 yards 1 TD (29 touches 113 yards)
Westbrook*: 17 carries 71 yards 4 receptions 81 yards 0 TDs (21 touches 152 yards)

* all these players are consider too important to their teams to be used on special teams.

Mario appears to be middle of the pack.

Reggie seems to be dragging the rear.
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This is the idea...thanks.

As the seasons go on, we'll start seeing where in the "pack" each are positioning themselves and how they impact the game from their respective vantage points. That's a perfectly reasonable comparison.

So far [after one measely game], according to this, it looks like Mario is holding his own. :)
 
caspian said:
This is the idea...thanks.

As the seasons go on, we'll start seeing where in the "pack" each are positioning themselves and how they impact the game from their respective vantage points. That's a perfectly reasonable comparison.

So far [after one measely game], according to this, it looks like Mario is holding his own. :)
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Thanks Caspian. You seem to get where I was trying to go with this. It's not a long assumption to expect that the #1 overall SHOULD be an impact player, and we'll see as the season goes on where each falls according to their respective positions.
 
thunderkyss said:
Mario*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks.
Freeney*: 0 tackles, 1 assist, 0 sacks
Strahan*: 4 tackles, 2 assists, 0 sacks
Taylor*: 2 tackles, 1 assist, 1 sack
Kearse*: 1 tackle, 0 assists, 1 sack
Howard*: 2 tackles, 0 assist, 0 sacks


Reggie: 14 att 61 yards, 8 receptions, 58 yards (22 touches 119 yards.)
LT*: 31 carries 131 yards 3 receptions 18 yards 1 Td (34 touches 149 yards)
Barber*: 18 carries 110 yards 5 receptions 61yards 0 TDs (23 touches 171 yards)
RudiJohnson*: 28 carries 96 yards 1 reception 7 yards 1 TD (29 touches 113 yards)
Westbrook*: 17 carries 71 yards 4 receptions 81 yards 0 TDs (21 touches 152 yards)

* all these players are consider too important to their teams to be used on special teams.

Mario appears to be middle of the pack.

Reggie seems to be dragging the rear.
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Veni, vidi, vici!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thunderkyss again.
 
come on man dont just pick in choose what guys stats your gonna put up in a pathetic attempt to make mario look better and bush worse. just as easily you could put up guys like merriman and the game he had compare that one to mario. and there were plenty of big time backs who didnt perform as well as bush.. where alexanders and larry johnson numbers here but i guess since bushs' numbers were better your not gonna post those. weak........
 
cbnjwill said:
come on man dont just pick in choose what guys stats your gonna put up in a pathetic attempt to make mario look better and bush worse. just as easily you could put up guys like merriman and the game he had compare that one to mario. and there were plenty of big time backs who didnt perform as well as bush.. where alexanders and larry johnson numbers here but i guess since bushs' numbers were better your not gonna post those. weak........
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huh?
 
cbnjwill said:
and there were plenty of big time backs who didnt perform as well as bush.. where alexanders and larry johnson numbers here but i guess since bushs' numbers were better your not gonna post those. weak........
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And most of them have something in common, large contracts. And so we complete the circle of libre de agencia. Circle of Free Agency for those unilinguists scoring at home.
 
lets face it guys we didnt sign mario at a discount. 56 million bucks he was the highest paid player drafted, so we didnt get mario cheaply
 
You ever listen to a CD ... and after the first song you eject it . Then you put in a CD and after the first song declare this ones much better ... heck it may be the greatest CD ever the band Head East will make history .
 
cbnjwill said:
lets face it guys we didnt sign mario at a discount. 56 million bucks he was the highest paid player drafted, so we didnt get mario cheaply
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I never thought of it like that. He is taking up 56 million dollars on a 102 million cap. Zoinks! That is one half of this year's salary cap. We better get in the Mystery Machine and solve this caper.
 
cbnjwill said:
come on man dont just pick in choose what guys stats your gonna put up in a pathetic attempt to make mario look better and bush worse. just as easily you could put up guys like merriman and the game he had compare that one to mario. and there were plenty of big time backs who didnt perform as well as bush.. where alexanders and larry johnson numbers here but i guess since bushs' numbers were better your not gonna post those. weak........
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Shawne Merriman=linebacker
Mario=Defensive line

You could post the star running backs' bad games, but the same could be done for Mario to make him look even better. Derrick Burgess, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Jason Taylor, Jared Allen, Charles Grant, Will Smith, and more, good linemen who didn't have great days.

Return yards should NEVER be part of total yards for a game. How many yards did Mathis have last year? Who cares, its the touchdowns that count.

What did Vince Young, AJ Hawk, Bush, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, et all do to earn their money? Bush is the only one who had a respectable day and doesn't make too much money less than Mario. Mario's stats compare to the elite defensive linemen, despite playing multiple positions on the line.
 
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