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Eagles Notes | Corners ready to fill tall order tomorrow

axman40

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The Eagles cornerbacks will face a tall task defending Houston's receivers in tomorrow's season opener at Reliant Stadium.
While the Eagles don't have a cornerback taller than 5-foot-11, the Texans' starting receivers are 6-2 Eric Moulds and 6-3 Andre Johnson. Both weigh 225 pounds.
Moulds, who is one of Houston's major off-season additions after 10 years in Buffalo, has been to the Pro Bowl three times. Johnson went two seasons ago.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/15475692.htm

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Good to see our WR corps is getting some respect. I think Moulds will prove as valuable on the field as he has been off the field. When AJ gets double-teamed, DC has a legit target to hit that isn't scared of the middle and does what it takes to catch the ball.
 
These are the same CBs that have shut down Randy Moss 3 times in the last 2 seasons, Owens every time they played him, and pretty much every WR they face.

AJ and Moulds are a walk in the park compared to the WRs these guys have dominated. Neither scores, neither gets 100 yards.
 
Double Barrel said:
Good to see our WR corps is getting some respect. I think Moulds will prove as valuable on the field as he has been off the field. When AJ gets double-teamed, DC has a legit target to hit that isn't scared of the middle and does what it takes to catch the ball.
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We won't double AJ. We don't even double Randy Moss or Terrell Owens.

Plus, with our pass rush there is no reason to - he isn't going to have time to run anything but quick slants/outs.
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
These are the same CBs that have shut down Randy Moss 3 times in the last 2 seasons, Owens every time they played him, and pretty much every WR they face.

AJ and Moulds are a walk in the park compared to the WRs these guys have dominated. Neither scores, neither gets 100 yards.
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they shut down owens in the last two seasons?...........

there's a sure fire way to gain credibility with your predictions.
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
We won't double AJ.
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That'll be your first mistake then. :superman:

The Eagles pass rush is probably the biggest concern I've got, though. After the past four seasons and 200+ sacks, the proof is in the pudding with regards to how our current o-line will handle the blitz (much less d-linemen). And then we've got a shell-shocked QB that has to get over the footsteps in his head and trust the pocket (should it exist), and a rookie RB that will have to be on his game to read the D.

We shall see tomorrow, though. :redtowel:
 
ronaldod1 said:
they shut down owens in the last two seasons?...........

there's a sure fire way to gain credibility with your predictions.
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Good to see you can read English Einstein.

We faced MOSS 3 times in the last 2 seasons. Once in 2004 regular season, once in the 2004 playoffs (yeah I know, as a Texans fan you don't know what the postseason is), and once in the 2005 regular season against the Raiders.

If you didn't know, Mike Lewis was the player that ended Owens 2003 season, before he was traded to Philly. Hence why I said "Owens EVERY TIME WE PLAYED HIM."
 
Double Barrel said:
That'll be your first mistake then. :superman:

The Eagles pass rush is probably the biggest concern I've got, though. After the past four seasons and 200+ sacks, the proof is in the pudding with regards to how our current o-line will handle the blitz (much less d-linemen). And then we've got a shell-shocked QB that has to get over the footsteps in his head and trust the pocket (should it exist), and a rookie RB that will have to be on his game to read the D.

We shall see tomorrow, though. :redtowel:
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Fair enough. All I will say is that under JJ, this defense VERY rarely allows WRs to beat them. Between our pass rush and blitz packages, we really don't allow QBs to look down field at WRs. So they usually end up with a few catches but very few yards and seldom do any of them catch a TD.

I think you all ae going to be in for a rude shock as to just how ineffective your passing game is going to be. I've said it all week - if the Texans want a realistic shot at winning this game they are going to have to run the ball about 40 times and their defense is going to have to be lights out.

If you get down early, the game is over.
 
[QUOTE- if the Texans want a realistic shot at winning this game they are going to have to run the ball about 40 times and their defense is going to have to be lights out.

If you get down early, the game is over.[/QUOTE]
Careful, there are many on this board that will assume you are "passing the buck with that statement"
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
These are the same CBs that have shut down Randy Moss 3 times in the last 2 seasons, Owens every time they played him, and pretty much every WR they face.

AJ and Moulds are a walk in the park compared to the WRs these guys have dominated. Neither scores, neither gets 100 yards.
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Wow after shutting down pretty much every WR they still ended up 12th in passing D and gave up just over 200 yds per game in the healthy 2004 season--funny those don't seem like indications of being shut down.
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
Good to see you can read English Einstein.

We faced MOSS 3 times in the last 2 seasons. Once in 2004 regular season, once in the 2004 playoffs (yeah I know, as a Texans fan you don't know what the postseason is), and once in the 2005 regular season against the Raiders.

If you didn't know, Mike Lewis was the player that ended Owens 2003 season, before he was traded to Philly. Hence why I said "Owens EVERY TIME WE PLAYED HIM."
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The Eagles have faired pretty well against a lot of the star WRs (and some RBs for that matter), but there have been players that have had success on them. In week 3 last year, the Eagles shut Randy Moss down to 5 catches for 86 yards which opened up Courtney Anderson for 5 catches for 100 yards. In week 4 Eddie Kennison picked up 101 yards and 1 TD on 7 catches. In week 5, Terry Glenn put up 7 catches for 118 yards and 2 TDs. Plaxico Burress in week 14 put up 6 catches for 113 yards and 1 TD. Those were the only 4 100+ yard receivers against the Eagles last year (Texans only gave up 5 on the year - T.J. Houshmandzadeh had 105 yards after the Texans "shut down" Chad Johnson to 67 yards, Marvin Harrison put up 108 yards @ Indy, Torry Holt put up 130 yards and 1 TD, Anquan Boldin put up 134 yards a 1 TD, and Ernest Wilford had 118 yards a 1 TD). Against Denver (same offense Texans run now), the Eagles didn't give up a 100 yard receiver but they did give up 309 yards and 4 TDs thru the air in addition to 255 yards and 3 TDs on the ground, I'll happily accept that result at "shutting down" one of our WRs any day.
 
The thing with AJ is that you rarely see him getting behind the D, but be prepared to see him getting some jump balls and broken tackles. There are going to be oppotrunities for him to make plays, if he does, we have a good shot at this game, if he cant, we probably wont score much.

By the way, 86 yards is hardly shutting someone down, thats on pace for almost 1400 yards a season
 
infantrycak said:
Wow after shutting down pretty much every WR they still ended up 12th in passing D and gave up just over 200 yds per game in the healthy 2004 season--funny those don't seem like indications of being shut down.
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Sheppard missed half of last season, and our starting RE was shot before the season even started.

Add to that the fact that our offense was among the NFL leaders in 3 and outs, and of course they gave up yards.

Now we have the All-Pro Sheppard back, we've added Howard at DE, and Bunkley at DT, while Patterson and Cole have a year under their belts, and Rayburn and Walker are healthy - unlike last year.

This is going to be the best pass defense of the Reid era... And we've had teams with the likes of Hugh Douglas, Corey Simon, Derrick Burgess, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, and Brian Dawkins inaddition to the more recent teams with Kearse, Brown, Sheppard, and Lewis.
 
run-david-run said:
The thing with AJ is that you rarely see him getting behind the D, but be prepared to see him getting some jump balls and broken tackles. There are going to be oppotrunities for him to make plays, if he does, we have a good shot at this game, if he cant, we probably wont score much.

By the way, 86 yards is hardly shutting someone down, thats on pace for almost 1400 yards a season
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1) I don't think AJ is going to be able to catch jump balls. Our pass rush isn't going to give him time to get down field, and even if he does, one Dawkins or Lewis hit on him and it won't happen again (see Alge Crumpler in 2004 NFCCG for example).

2) they were 86 meaningless yards and no TDs. He really didn't do anything when he played us, and AJ plays the same way on those deep balls with his size and speed.
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
These are the same CBs that have shut down Randy Moss 3 times in the last 2 seasons, Owens every time they played him, and pretty much every WR they face.

AJ and Moulds are a walk in the park compared to the WRs these guys have dominated. Neither scores, neither gets 100 yards.
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Well thank you MsCleo ... :fortune:
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
Sheppard missed half of last season, and our starting RE was shot before the season even started.
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Sorry man, but every team in the NFL has to deal with injuries. That's no excuse.
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
Sheppard missed half of last season, and our starting RE was shot before the season even started.

Add to that the fact that our offense was among the NFL leaders in 3 and outs, and of course they gave up yards.

Now we have the All-Pro Sheppard back, we've added Howard at DE, and Bunkley at DT, while Patterson and Cole have a year under their belts, and Rayburn and Walker are healthy - unlike last year.

This is going to be the best pass defense of the Reid era... And we've had teams with the likes of Hugh Douglas, Corey Simon, Derrick Burgess, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, and Brian Dawkins inaddition to the more recent teams with Kearse, Brown, Sheppard, and Lewis.
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What does Sheppard being out half of last season have to do with the 2004 Season?
 
RTP2110 said:
Sorry man, but every team in the NFL has to deal with injuries. That's no excuse.
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Look, when a team is missing:

Pro-bowl QB
Pro-bowl LT
Pro-bowl RB
Pro-bowl WR
Pro-bowl CB
Pro-bowl Kicker
Starting C
Starting DE
Starting WR
Backup LT

They aren't going to do very well. There is more talent on that list then on the whole Texans roster, so please, don't give me this ish about 'everyone has injuries'. Look at the NFCE last year and name me one team that even came close to that.

Do you think the Giants would have won the division if you took away:
Eli
Strahan
Tiki
Burress
Toomer
Snee

Or that the Steelers would have won the SB if you took away:
Ben
Palamalu
Ward
Porter
Hampton

Gimme a break. Injuries like that will cripple any team.
 
Doug said:
What does Sheppard being out half of last season have to do with the 2004 Season?
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Sorry, responded to the wrong post.

In 04 we dominated teams so badly that they were forced to throw for the whole second half in some cases.

That's what happens when you are consistantly getting 20 point leads like we were that season, and it is why tomorow you are going to see Carr hurting like he's never hurt before... Because we're gunna get a big lead early, and force him to make 7 step drops.

BTW - we didn't even play our starters in the last 2 games of the season (since we had HFA locked up by week 14) so those numbers are very skewed. For instance, we were leading the NFL in sacks, but we fell to 3rd after those 2 games.
 
Sometimes I wonder why we even play the games when the outcome is such a foregone conclusion.

I remember beating a Super Bowl bound Carolina team in '03 (the same Carolina team that beat the Eagles that year in the NFC Championship game) and taking their Super Bowl opponent New England to overtime a few weeks later with a team that was high on desire, inspired by the home crowd, but severely lacking in talent and coaching.

I don't expect a Texans win tomorrow but if the unexpected happens (again), I will be laughing my ass off at some of these cheesesteak eating gnats. It would be great fun just watching the meltdown.
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
Good to see you can read English Einstein.

We faced MOSS 3 times in the last 2 seasons. Once in 2004 regular season, once in the 2004 playoffs (yeah I know, as a Texans fan you don't know what the postseason is), and once in the 2005 regular season against the Raiders.

If you didn't know, Mike Lewis was the player that ended Owens 2003 season, before he was traded to Philly. Hence why I said "Owens EVERY TIME WE PLAYED HIM."
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If you can name one instance in which either one of the two cornerbacks for the Eagles have lined up opposite T.O. and shut him down I would love to hear about it.
 
If you didn't know, Mike Lewis was the player that ended Owens 2003 season, before he was traded to Philly. Hence why I said "Owens EVERY TIME WE PLAYED HIM."[/QUOTE]

How exactly did he end his season?
 
ronaldod1 said:
If you can name one instance in which either one of the two cornerbacks for the Eagles have lined up opposite T.O. and shut him down I would love to hear about it.
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Like I said, in 2003.

Troy Vincent was out that game, so Sheppard started and Brown played NB.

Owens had one catch in that game, and was blanketed untill he got hurt by a hit from Lewis.
 
ronaldod1 said:
If you didn't know, Mike Lewis was the player that ended Owens 2003 season, before he was traded to Philly. Hence why I said "Owens EVERY TIME WE PLAYED HIM."
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How exactly did he end his season?[/QUOTE]
Broken collarbone on a Lewis tackle.
 
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aj. said:
Sometimes I wonder why we even play the games when the outcome is such a foregone conclusion.

I remember beating a Super Bowl bound Carolina team in '03 (the same Carolina team that beat the Eagles that year in the NFC Championship game) and taking their Super Bowl opponent New England to overtime a few weeks later with a team that was high on desire, inspired by the home crowd, but severely lacking in talent and coaching.

I don't expect a Texans win tomorrow but if the unexpected happens (again), I will be laughing my ass off at some of these cheesesteak eating gnats. It would be great fun just watching the meltdown.
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I am with you AJ, I am hoping the Texans put up a good season and prove a lot of people wrong.
I am not one to talk a lot of smack, but most of what I have read is the Texans don't have a chance and if the Texans pull it out, I will really enjoy reading the boards here and on the Eagle boards of what topics would come up.. I'd think it would rival "war of the worlds"(not tom cruise's) epidemic where peope went into hysteria and panic and..well we know the history of that
 
aj. said:
Sometimes I wonder why we even play the games when the outcome is such a foregone conclusion.

I remember beating a Super Bowl bound Carolina team in '03 (the same Carolina team that beat the Eagles that year in the NFC Championship game) and taking their Super Bowl opponent New England to overtime a few weeks later with a team that was high on desire, inspired by the home crowd, but severely lacking in talent and coaching.

I don't expect a Texans win tomorrow but if the unexpected happens (again), I will be laughing my ass off at some of these cheesesteak eating gnats. It would be great fun just watching the meltdown.
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Personally I love when folks paint themselves into a corner. They win--what do they have to brag about, they were supposed to beat us. We win--tails dragging head hung low in embarrassment.
 
Jerome_Brown_99 said:
YES, THEY HAVE, NUMB NUTS.

LIKE I SAID, IN 2003! LITO PLAYED HIM MAN TO MAN.
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When you have to resort to name-calling, it's time for you to disappear. I'm all for the good hearted trash talk but hopefully Vin or another mod sees this & puts you out with the rest of the trash. Don't go away mad, just go away.
 
Football is a good thing. Perhaps I could go overboard and say it transcends class and race and stands as one of the only mechanisms that can unite us as Americans. OK, that's going overboard. At the very least football knits together communities.Some communities are a little more coarse than others.
:cowboy1:
 
CoachJim said:
When you have to resort to name-calling, it's time for you to disappear. I'm all for the good hearted trash talk but hopefully Vin or another mod sees this & puts you out with the rest of the trash. Don't go away mad, just go away.
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In what should serve as a lesson, Jerome will be enjoying a time out. It is a shame really as he at times demonstrated some pretty good knowledge. Everyone (that includes Texans fans) should be able to discuss this stuff without the insults.
 
infantrycak said:
In what should serve as a lesson, Jerome will be enjoying a time out. It is a shame really as he at times demonstrated some pretty good knowledge. Everyone (that includes Texans fans) should be able to discuss this stuff without the insults.
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bye Jerome
 
infantrycak said:
In what should serve as a lesson, Jerome will be enjoying a time out. It is a shame really as he at times demonstrated some pretty good knowledge. Everyone (that includes Texans fans) should be able to discuss this stuff without the insults.
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ahh, the powers of the mods.

Glad to see our system of self governance is working how it should. Good job.
 
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