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Don't expect the obvious from Kubiak. For example, he's known for running the ball, but in one of the preseason games Carr threw the ball 9 or 10 times in a row before a run was called. The run was effective and we went back to passing. Kubiak has always said he will do what is necessary to win. If he needs to pass he will do that and if he needs to run he will do that. The other team's defense is going to show the way.Texans34Life said:
Exactly, Ibar.........We just need to pray that Carr leaves these in bed with his wife (not meant in any disrespectful way).............Ibar_Harry said:
AtheGreat said:I think Kubiak has shown just the tip of the iceburg playcallling-wise. I have to beileve that there are a WHOLE bunch of plays they've been mastering in TC and Pactices that were never seen in the preseason that will be everyday plays in the reg. season. I could see a half-back pass or flea-flicker as the first play of the season! Can't wait for sunday!!!
Maybe the success Carr had with PA and bootlegs is in their heads...Carr IS a good running QB and if those 2 don't hold contain, it could be a long day for them. Pinning their ears back and speed rushing the outside edge COULD leave them being pushed out of the play. I know we haven't seen that in 4 years, but we haven't seen much competent coaching in 4 years, either. That being said, I HAVE to agree with you, AJ. Spencer is going to have a hard time handling a seasoned vet who can rotate in and out to stay fresh. May be best to just use a straightforward runniing attack and play to Spencer's strength, while picking your spots to throw and maybe catch them off guardaj. said:
Give Kubiak more credit...He knows Spencer is a rookie....This isn't Capers we are talking about...Look for a lot of double TE sets, and runningbacks chipping before routes...Look for a lot of roll outs, and PA....Do not look, or expect Spencer to be going one on one too many times....Kubiak is going to try to outscheme the Eagles because I think it's painfully obvious we do not have the personnel to just line up and try to take it to them...DocBar said:
xtruroyaltyx said:
I agree with your assesment, but we are going to have to draw a line in the sand at some point with regards to the QB. I know it's still early with the new system and I do feel like David can/will pick it up nicely and be succesful, but if he isn't, we are going to have to start looking at other options. I have no clue as to when that point will be and I hope it doesn't happen, but it is possible. Maybe next year if he does horrible now. I don't know as I am still optomistic that his talent will be able to oversdhadow the failures of the past.AJExplosion80 said:I am sure Kubiak has a trick up his sleeve somewhere in this game. The main thing is to stay patient with this team. We have a brutal first half of the season and our talent isn't quite there yet but is coming. The main thing I want to see is progress and Carr playing better maybe not perfect but show some confidence in himself and his wr to make the play for him. This team will get better but we can't judge them on their first few games along with David Carr because remember it took 1 year with Jake plummer in this system to get good at it and look at his season last year. Should be a fun year and let's see some progress.
David Doesn't have to play like a number one overall for us to win(although it would help)...David just needs to play as good as Sage did in his pre-season action....I don't think we need superstars on this offense to win...just guys who understand the system and don't make many mistakes...If David is atleast not losing games for us, then he should remain the QB...But if he gets out there and is constantly making mental or physical errors then he will be yanked....Cjeremy635 said:
AtheGreat said:I think Kubiak has shown just the tip of the iceburg playcallling-wise. I have to beileve that there are a WHOLE bunch of plays they've been mastering in TC and Pactices that were never seen in the preseason that will be everyday plays in the reg. season. I could see a half-back pass or flea-flicker as the first play of the season! Can't wait for sunday!!!
I can't speak for other posters...But I wasn't talking about trick plays....And I disagree with you....I think we will see many different formations and plays than what we have seen in the pre-season...Our offense has been rather vanilla/basic...There are much more intricate things that we can/ could've done this pre-season....I don't think anyone was talking about reverses, and HB passes and such....CloakNNNdagger said:
Thats what practice is for...not the games
I don't think we're truly disagreeing (I was responding to posts such as the one I quoted). That beeing said, executing against your own controlled and predictable D in practice is far from the same as executing in a game against "the unknown." I think that Kub will be somewhat conservative about opening up too much too soon since we're dealing with a large group of rookies and a group of players who, in the big picture, have worked together for a relatively short period of time.xtruroyaltyx said:
Any play that they have run in practice besides "trick plays", are going to be game this sunday....And you are right that running plays at practice vs. Trying to score in a live game is different, but Kubiak is going to be trying to win...not trying to see how perfect they can run a play...that is where the disagreement comes in...CloakNNNdagger said:
I agree with the both of ya'll. I think they will open up the playbook a little more than what we've seen. OTOH, I also agree to the fact that our team is young and very green to the new offense. That being said, I do think Kubiak will kind of keep things kind of basic. Throwing a complete gamebook at the team would be a little overwhelming. Personally, I'd like to see a little more blitz packages on the defensive side of the ball.xtruroyaltyx said:
OMG!!!!! He not only said that word, he said it was the only one.TK_Gamer said:
Tampa and Denver (and maybe St. Louis) BOTH stacked the line with up to 8 in the box and we managed to run against them. I kinda think THAT'S the point. Keep the D honest by making them honor the run, then burn their tails with the pass when they get exotic and try funky blitzes. I DO NOT think this is the same old offense with a new coat of paint on it. I saw things I've been wishing on for 4 years and I think that was just plain vanilla. We get cookies&cream and pistachio starting Sunday. Here's a nifty idea....MAYBE it takes good play calling AND proper execution to make a unit function on all cylinders. Just a thought that Capers never had. Kubes will provide the former and DEMAND the latter.hollywood_texan said:
Opposing defenses are going to continue to throw the kitchen sink at him until he proves he can burn a bitz with something other than a dump pass.TexanSam said:
Hey I got it! How bout we win the turnover battle and beat them in the trenches. No need for tricks then!HOU-TEX said:I agree with the both of ya'll. I think they will open up the playbook a little more than what we've seen. OTOH, I also agree to the fact that our team is young and very green to the new offense. That being said, I do think Kubiak will kind of keep things kind of basic. Throwing a complete gamebook at the team would be a little overwhelming. Personally, I'd like to see a little more blitz packages on the defensive side of the ball.
I agree with you for the most part. The only thing that caught my eye was the burn thier tails with the pass. Other than the two TD passes against the 2's and 3's. I haven't really seen any evidence of burning other teams by passing. You're correct in thinking that, but I haven't noticed it yet. I'd definetly like to see us a little more agressive downfield.DocBar said:
Great point HOU-TEX, and that is problem I see it with the Texans, defenses are not concerned about the mid to deep passes. The Texans are having a hard time using the entire part of the field.HOU-TEX said:I agree with you for the most part. The only thing that caught my eye was the burn thier tails with the pass. Other than the two TD passes against the 2's and 3's. I haven't really seen any evidence of burning other teams by passing. You're correct in thinking that, but I haven't noticed it yet. I'd definetly like to see us a little more agressive downfield.
To be honest, I haven't either. Maybe wishful thinking. IMO, Carr will need some time to find the groove. He didn't play a lot in preseason, and seems like a "high-maintenance" guy. Maybe having some success will breed success with him. No success certainly has had that effect on him.HOU-TEX said:I agree with you for the most part. The only thing that caught my eye was the burn thier tails with the pass. Other than the two TD passes against the 2's and 3's. I haven't really seen any evidence of burning other teams by passing. You're correct in thinking that, but I haven't noticed it yet. I'd definetly like to see us a little more agressive downfield.
Hey, new thought! Maybe at the end of this season, or even way before, the "E" word won't be a bad word anymore, because we can do it!!!TK_Gamer said:Yeah I know
Again I agree with you on finding our groove. I think you're also correct in saying our offense should feed off success. I wouldn't say it's wishful thinking. It's more along the lines of when is it going to happen.DocBar said:
"We tore up those green Eagles" Ryans said with a laugh!!! Let's hope so!!!HOU-TEX said:Again I agree with you on finding our groove. I think you're also correct in saying our offense should feed off success. I wouldn't say it's wishful thinking. It's more along the lines of when is it going to happen.
P.S. Did you notice I didn't mention the QB position. I didn't want to start one of those infamous threads.
If we collect half of those numbers, chances are we fry the birds.El Tejano said:
2-6 the first half, 4-4 the second half - I'd live with that and be REALLY excited about 2007............AJExplosion80 said:I am sure Kubiak has a trick up his sleeve somewhere in this game. The main thing is to stay patient with this team. We have a brutal first half of the season and our talent isn't quite there yet but is coming. The main thing I want to see is progress and Carr playing better maybe not perfect but show some confidence in himself and his wr to make the play for him. This team will get better but we can't judge them on their first few games along with David Carr because remember it took 1 year with Jake plummer in this system to get good at it and look at his season last year. Should be a fun year and let's see some progress.
Texans 34- Eagles 17hollywood_texan said:
