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Dom Davis' career is over

dalemurphy

dalemurphy

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If you heard the interview with Bob Allen, it sounds like this is it. He said he had "a bit of arthritis"... He also said that he was missing meniscus that can't be repaired and that part of his knee is "almost bone on bone". He said he won't be cut on again and that he's ready to deal with going on IR.
 
Yeah he talked about "healing up", but you cannot regrow cartilage or muscle. Add that to the statement where he said he would not have any more surgeries, I don't know what he is expecting to happen.
 
Was wondering when this thread would start. I think the coaches all, of course, know this about DD. Wonder why "Mr. Open with the media Kubiak" and company have failed to be as forthcoming about his condition. :spy:
 
In the interview he had on Field Pass Davis said they will make the decision on Saturday, but he didn't sound to optimistic.

He was one of our few consistant bright spots in previous years, I really hate to see him go.
 
texan279 said:
Yeah he talked about "healing up", but you cannot regrow cartilage or muscle. Add that to the statement where he said he would not have any more surgeries, I don't know what he is expecting to happen.
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He needs to write on the blackboard 100 times . . . Denial is not a river in Egypt

Another thing to keep in mind, he gets an $800,000 roster bonus. He gets an extra 800 grand if he doesn't get cut. Nice.
 
I really don't understand what the point is in putting him on IR unless he will play through the pain.
 
Jwwillis said:
Was wondering when this thread would start. I think the coaches all, of course, know this about DD. Wonder why "Mr. Open with the media Kubiak" and company have failed to be as forthcoming about his condition. :spy:
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I wouldn't take a shot at Kubiak about this. He's trying to be sensitive about a sensitive issue, and make every effort to do right with his players.
 
To me he looked like he was saying that he is done. He said he wouldn't come back unless he was 100%. So, since his knee will never be 100% again and Casserly gave him that big contract with millions of guaranteed $$$$...I think he is done.
 
I think hes done. Too bad though he was a good running back and was one of my favorite texans.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
Cut him. For his own sake.
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I don't think you can cut an injured player. It's against NFL rules I believe. I do believe you can reach an injury settlement though. At leasts that's what I think I heard on the radio.
 
dalemurphy said:
If you heard the interview with Bob Allen, it sounds like this is it. He said he had "a bit of arthritis"... He also said that he was missing meniscus that can't be repaired and that part of his knee is "almost bone on bone". He said he won't be cut on again and that he's ready to deal with going on IR.
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:(

DD was a excellent RB!

Here's to DD: texanpride
 
Don't give up on him yet (wait, after everything that's happened, I think I will) :( It's really too bad that things might come to an end like this for such a solid player.
 
texan279 said:
I really don't understand what the point is in putting him on IR unless he will play through the pain.
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It doesn't make any sense to me either. The doctors have supposedly told him that the knee will never be the same, and that he will have to deal with the pain. But then DD says he won't play again until the knee feels better.

My take on this . . is that they will IR him for the season just to make the issue go away, even if they have to eat the salary for this year, and then quietly give him an injury settlement in the offseason.

But he'll never play a down of football in the NFL again.
 
TexanSam said:
I don't think you can cut an injured player. It's against NFL rules I believe. I do believe you can reach an injury settlement though. At leasts that's what I think I heard on the radio.
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You're correct, CBA doesn't allow cut of an injured player without an injury settlement. Putting him on IR frees up a roster spot without cutting the player, while allowing him to "heal." In his case, healing to play again is very unlikely. With guaranteed monies, there does not seem to be advantage for placing him on IR, but it may allow time for an amicable financial parting agreement.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You're correct, CBA doesn't allow cut of an injured player without an injury settlement. Putting him on IR frees up a roster spot without cutting the player, while allowing him to "heal." In his case, healing to play again is very unlikely. With guaranteed monies, there does not seem to be advantage for placing him on IR, but it may allow time for an amicable financial parting agreement.
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Kubiak and upper management was meeting with Dom and his agent right? On the surface it sounds like it may be an injury settlement type situation except for the fact that Kubiak ruled that out.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Unfortunately, DD was allowed to "run his knees to the ground" for a long time before surgery was ever entertained.
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hey CND, I know I asked you before about the option of using cartilage from a cadaver, but I didn't think to ask you about using teflon or silicone? Would one of those be an option? Are there any other options? Of course, any of these options would require more surgery, which DD says is not going to happen, but I would love to here your thoughts on the subject.
 
vtech9 said:
hey CND, I know I asked you before about the option of using cartilage from a cadaver, but I didn't think to ask you about using teflon or silicone? Would one of those be an option? Are there any other options? Of course, any of these options would require more surgery, which DD says is not going to happen, but I would love to here your thoughts on the subject.
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These are materials not really successful as overlays. They are part of knee replacement prostheses. Attempts at injecting silicone (fluid/gel) into the joint itself to act as a "lubricant" between the joint surfaces has very little success in general. And when it does work, it usually just allows for more comfortable activities such as just simply walking...........not tearing up a football field.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
These are materials not really successful as overlays. They are part of knee replacement prostheses. Attempts at injecting silicone (fluid/gel) into the joint itself to act as a "lubricant" between the joint surfaces has very little success in general. And when it does work, it usually just allows for more comfortable activities such as just simply walking...........not tearing up a football field.
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Hmmm...I had heard that they were having some good successes using teflon as a replacement
 
I think Kubiak is going to give DD a year, to think about whether he will try and play if possible. After that year on IR if DD is still saying hurts too much, THEN will be given an injury settlement and sent away.

Class way to handle instead of just cutting him loose and saying heres a check, give him a chance to see if he can come back and if not then can end it.
 
BigDTexansFan said:
I think Kubiak is going to give DD a year, to think about whether he will try and play if possible. After that year on IR if DD is still saying hurts too much, THEN will be given an injury settlement and sent away.

Class way to handle instead of just cutting him loose and saying heres a check, give him a chance to see if he can come back and if not then can end it.
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...nice chunk of change to sit out a year---$800,000 roster bonus plus $4+ million for '07
 
dalemurphy said:
If you heard the interview with Bob Allen, it sounds like this is it. He said he had "a bit of arthritis"... He also said that he was missing meniscus that can't be repaired and that part of his knee is "almost bone on bone". He said he won't be cut on again and that he's ready to deal with going on IR.
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Yep, he's through. I can't believe that Kubiak didn't know this going into the season, though. All you have to do is run a scan on it and you would have seen what the problem was.
 
I didn't watch the interview, but did the interview make it sound like Domanick Davis' career may be over, or is that what we're guessing at? I haven't read anywhere else that his whole career is in jeopardy, just that it may take a while to heal.
 
Marcus said:
It doesn't make any sense to me either. The doctors have supposedly told him that the knee will never be the same, and that he will have to deal with the pain. But then DD says he won't play again until the knee feels better.

My take on this . . is that they will IR him for the season just to make the issue go away, even if they have to eat the salary for this year, and then quietly give him an injury settlement in the offseason.

But he'll never play a down of football in the NFL again.
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That's pretty much my take on this whole thing too. Sad but true...
 
Vinny said:
Kubiak and upper management was meeting with Dom and his agent right? On the surface it sounds like it may be an injury settlement type situation except for the fact that Kubiak ruled that out.
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Kubiak, that darn liar! :)

Smells like IR for a year, THEN settlement... that way _ALMOST_ everybody is happy, well apart from Mcnair who has to pay extra $ for a player on IR... :)
 
Vinny said:
Kubiak and upper management was meeting with Dom and his agent right? On the surface it sounds like it may be an injury settlement type situation except for the fact that Kubiak ruled that out.
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I think that's what it will be Vinny. I just don't think Kubiak wanted all over the news.
 
rafterticket said:
Dom Capers and Charlie Casserly.

One of a few talents wasted by the previous regime.
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In the interview Dom said he had been dealing with this knee since college, I don't think he was "wasted" by the previous regime.
 
I can't believe I didn't connect the dots until now about the "bone bruise" and Dom saying it was "almost bone on bone". If you rest the knee long enough, the bruise will eventually heal, like Dom wants it to, but then when you work out again, the bones will grind, and "bruise" all over again. Duh!

He's got a knee replacement coming his way when he gets to his 50's or 60's.

Oh, and a . . . Casserly, you suck!
 
This really really sucks. Just an unfortunate thing to happen to both Dom and this football team. It's really wierd how you can put a knee that's been torn in half back together but you can't do anything if you're in DD's situation. This is just bad luck. Nothing you can do, and it's not like any of us could see us coming.

I also don't want to be too harsh on Casserly giving him that money. Looking back, he was our best RB by far. Almost putting 3 straight 1000 yd seasons together is no easy task. Coupled with the fact that he was literally 1/3 of our offense, and it's hard not to make sure he stays on this team. He was our team's Ladanian Tomlinson, not in skill, but in his role in the offense.

Just a really tough break for both sides. :(
 
I hate to hear that. But I think this is the best time to start fresh with new running backs. I'm glad Davis has his money, and can retire with cash in the bank.
 
I have been thinking about it and cannot believe that Kubiak said he wouldn't cut Davis before meeting with the doctors and agent unless they already have some sort of settlement talks in the works.
 
People we need to be a little more supportive than "cut him". This is a guy who was used as a workhorse the past 3 season for this team. Without him we probably wouldn't have been able to win half of our games. I think he deserves a chance to sit on IR and see how he feels. He also deserves the 800,000 bonus.
 
Doom Capers said:
People we need to be a little more supportive than "cut him". This is a guy who was used as a workhorse the past 3 season for this team. Without him we probably wouldn't have been able to win half of our games. I think he deserves a chance to sit on IR and see how he feels. He also deserves the 800,000 bonus.
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The guy said last night he has arthritis in his knee, meniscus damage, and that his knee is almost "bone on bone" and that he will not have any more surgeries. Do you honestly think that a year on IR will help him? And Davis has averaged 257 carries a season. I consider guys who put up 300+ attempts a season workhorses myself, even though Dom has been our #1 RB the last 3 seasons he hasn't even played a full season.
 
And how many dump off catches did he have? The guy got a lot of touches and was over worked. He hasn't played a whole season because he is too small, but the highly smart coaching staff the past few years didn't care.
 
IMO, between catching and running DD did the best of any Texan of producing on the field. The problem has been getting him there. He deserves the IR and the Texans owe him a lot.
 
Doom Capers said:
And how many dump off catches did he have? The guy got a lot of touches and was over worked. He hasn't played a whole season because he is too small, but the highly smart coaching staff the past few years didn't care.
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Too small? In the interview last night he said he has been dealing with the knee since college, it's not like Capers worked him into the ground and his knee went out or anything.
 
Doom Capers said:
But he is still too small to be an every down back, but that is how they used him.
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He is the same size as Rudi Johnson, bigger than Tiki Barber, and 2 inches shorter than Shaun Alexander.
 
Doom Capers said:
And how many dump off catches did he have? The guy got a lot of touches and was over worked. He hasn't played a whole season because he is too small, but the highly smart coaching staff the past few years didn't care.
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If he had a bad shoulder you could blame that on overwork. Structural damage to the knee is just a fact of life for some people. It's sad and unfortunate but I don't think the previous coaching staff can be blamed for it.

I wish him well. That being said, our running game will be better this year than at any time the first four seasons because of the attention to detail and philosophical changes. It's too bad that Davis couldn't be healthy this season because he could've benefited from these changes as well. Fortunately, he is set for life if he handles his money properly.

This situation is exactly why I didn't want Bush drafted. RBs have such short careers, generally, and are at such a risk for injury. That's another reason why this offensive system we have is so genius. It is about the execution of all 11 players on the field and doesn't rely heavily on one or two guys- an important point since injuries are such a reality in the NFL.
 
Doom Capers said:
But he is still too small to be an every down back, but that is how they used him.
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He's Emmitt Smith's size. What you are saying now is exactly why Emmitt Smith slipped to the 17th pick of the first round in 1990. Smith was 5'9" and around 210 lbs coming out of college. His playing weight in the early 90s was about 220lbs. Tiki Barber is 31 years old and coming off his best season of his career. I believe heighth has more to do with injury risks than anything else. I'd much rather have a guy 5'8" and 200 lbs carrying the load than a player 6'3" and 225lbs.

The reality is that most RBs, regardless of size, are unable to handle the pounding of the NFL for very long.
 
dalemurphy said:
He's Emmitt Smith's size. What you are saying now is exactly why Emmitt Smith slipped to the 17th pick of the first round in 1990. Smith was 5'9" and around 210 lbs coming out of college. His playing weight in the early 90s was about 220lbs. Tiki Barber is 31 years old and coming off his best season of his career. I believe heighth has more to do with injury risks than anything else. I'd much rather have a guy 5'8" and 200 lbs carrying the load than a player 6'3" and 225lbs.
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Excellent post. You are actually enlarging Smith. He came out of college at 205 lbs and at his heaviest was 216 lbs.

Other recent examples:

Tiki Barber 5' 10" 205 lbs
Clinton Portis 5' 11" 212 lbs
LT 5' 10" 221 lbs
Thomas Jones 5' 10" 215 lbs
Willie Parker 5' 10" 209 lbs--just signed to a new contract
Cadillac Williams 5' 11" 217 lbs
Curtis Martin 5' 10" 210 lbs
etc.
 
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