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Offense........it is starting to click.

Hulk75

Hulk75

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I tell you what, if this was a complete game, we win this sucker. Our Offense was picking up speed and was clicking starting right before the half and it carried on into the 3rd..............Our Defense was salty all night.

Carr looked very good and was throwing the ball with accuracy and with smart possition of the football.You have to remeber that this is a new system for this guy and the team, he looked a little unsure the last 2 games, BUT last night it looked like it started to fire and started to click in Carr.AND this was against Denvers 1st D:cool: . At the beginning when they were doing bad, the sideline lady ask kubiak about the start of the football game and he said that, "We did not give him good calls to work with". And that ball had some hot sauce on it last night. Going trough his progressions nicely as well.

Vernond Morency looked awsome, would you guys agree? Did you see the Reggie Bushness come out:shades: when he was heading toward the sideline? But really I thought he played well.

Oline played well accept for one wiegert play:crying: , but all together they played as a group.Spencer is our new starting LT, the guy is a beast and we need to get his name out there.

Owen Daniels looked good catching that ball from Carr rolling out. And thank you for jumping on the ball Owen.

E-Weeeeeez-E-Eric Moulds..........Love how this guy plays and is taking to his roll without complaining. Did very well..............EXCEPT on the deep ball, did it look like he started off the ball for about 6 yards jogging? It did to me, and just like Starling Sharpe said "You will never know how well that ball was thrown, cause it looked like Moulds lost a step."

Defense did a great job a great job considering who we were playing and how tough there Offense was and is.

All around rest all our starters next week, cause we got it clicking down here and I am pumped about our season, I think we are going to be a surprise, a big surprise this year.
 
Hulk75 said:
I tell you what, if this was a complete game, we win this sucker. Our Offense was picking up speed and was clicking starting right before the half and it carried on into the 3rd..............Our Defense was salty all night.

Carr looked very good and was throwing the ball with accuracy and with smart possition of the football.You have to remeber that this is a new system for this guy and the team, he looked a little unsure the last 2 games, BUT last night it looked like it started to fire and started to click in Carr.AND this was against Denvers 1st D:cool: . At the beginning when they were doing bad, the sideline lady ask kubiak about the start of the football game and he said that, "We did not give him good calls to work with". And that ball had some hot sauce on it last night. Going trough his progressions nicely as well.

Vernond Morency looked awsome, would you guys agree? Did you see the Reggie Bushness come out:shades: when he was heading toward the sideline? But really I thought he played well.

Oline played well accept for one wiegert play:crying: , but all together they played as a group.Spencer is our new starting LT, the guy is a beast and we need to get his name out there.

Owen Daniels looked good catching that ball from Carr rolling out. And thank you for jumping on the ball Owen.

E-Weeeeeez-E-Eric Moulds..........Love how this guy plays and is taking to his roll without complaining. Did very well..............EXCEPT on the deep ball, did it look like he started off the ball for about 6 yards jogging? It did to me, and just like Starling Sharpe said "You will never know how well that ball was thrown, cause it looked like Moulds lost a step."

Defense did a great job a great job considering who we were playing and how tough there Offense was and is.

All around rest all our starters next week, cause we got it clicking down here and I am pumped about our season, I think we are going to be a surprise, a big surprise this year.
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Sorry, I must have been watching a totally different game or you must have been watching one of the "other camera angles". :tease: I saw nothing Bushesque in Morency, though I don't think Bush is all he's cracked up to be. The only resemblance on the play you speak of was that he should have hit a hole and went North & South..not side to side. I didn't see much or any zone blocking and "one cut and go" running attacks. Moulds is a solid # 2 who seems to have lost a step but he has good hands and YAC and I feel what he contributes in leaderships & experience as well as what he does on the field will prove to be invaluable. Carr only looked sharp at the end against the 2nd team defense IIRC. Yes, they started to gel but I think it would have been too little too late in a real game. We need to improve in a lot of areas and that's what this game was for. I am still optomistic about this year but I didn't get your flavor of koolaid at the supermarket....they must have been sold out.
 
I will have to say that the offense again started slow and was clearly picking up some steam. That has been opposite of our M.O. in recent past...and I can live with that. It's always better to be solid the whole game but if you have to pick a half to have your stuff together it would be the 2nd.

My one big complaint about the defense was the play of the D-tackles. Several mental mistakes that need to be cleaned up. Mario consistently drew double teams or chips which, again, is fine with me. I thought that Weaver was solid and Jason Babin off the bench was bringing some heat as a pass rusher.

Overall I thought that Lundy and Morency were very solid and I am very impressed with Ryans and Owen Daniels. I have to admit that the crop of draft picks this year definetly seem to be shaping up. I think it will be a tough year but I suspect we will continue to see signs of a bright future.
 
Our offense seemed impotent last night. The desire may have been there, but they seemed to lack finishing ability.

[insert cleverly phrased viagra joke]
 
Hulk75 said:
I tell you what, if this was a complete game, we win this sucker. Our Offense was picking up speed and was clicking starting right before the half and it carried on into the 3rd..............Our Defense was salty all night.

Carr looked very good and was throwing the ball with accuracy and with smart possition of the football.You have to remeber that this is a new system for this guy and the team, he looked a little unsure the last 2 games, BUT last night it looked like it started to fire and started to click in Carr.AND this was against Denvers 1st D:cool: . At the beginning when they were doing bad, the sideline lady ask kubiak about the start of the football game and he said that, "We did not give him good calls to work with". And that ball had some hot sauce on it last night. Going trough his progressions nicely as well.

Vernond Morency looked awsome, would you guys agree? Did you see the Reggie Bushness come out:shades: when he was heading toward the sideline? But really I thought he played well.

Oline played well accept for one wiegert play:crying: , but all together they played as a group.Spencer is our new starting LT, the guy is a beast and we need to get his name out there.

Owen Daniels looked good catching that ball from Carr rolling out. And thank you for jumping on the ball Owen.

E-Weeeeeez-E-Eric Moulds..........Love how this guy plays and is taking to his roll without complaining. Did very well..............EXCEPT on the deep ball, did it look like he started off the ball for about 6 yards jogging? It did to me, and just like Starling Sharpe said "You will never know how well that ball was thrown, cause it looked like Moulds lost a step."

Defense did a great job a great job considering who we were playing and how tough there Offense was and is.

All around rest all our starters next week, cause we got it clicking down here and I am pumped about our season, I think we are going to be a surprise, a big surprise this year.
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Thier offense was clicking too. Offensively, IMO, we were average at best against thier 1st D. IIRC, I don't think one ball was thrown to a WR while thier 1st D was in. They were all drops to the RB. We have to improve offensivly. I think our D did an excellent job considering the field position the offense gave the Broncs. I think we've improved leaps and bounds compared to last year. With that being said, there's plenty to work on.:ok:
 
I think the offense has way to go. Carr did ok.

After the game, I started think that if AJ doesn't start getting the ball in a serious manner, I don't know how we will be able to keep him. I know we can franchise him, but that is like a last resort and causes all sorts of problems. Kubiak, has to get Carr cranking a little bit more to give AJ the catches he needs. Otherwise, I think he will be looking to split after next year.

I guess it was Sterling Sharpe doing the commentary on the NFL Network during the game, and he said something I have been saying for the last month. Sharpe was going through the Texans schedule and how tough it is. Sharpe said if the Texans don't beat the Eagles, they may not get a W until Thanksgiving. I think he was exaggerating a bit but was making a good point. Those first six games are killers and they have to start off strong with a W against the Eagles. Otherwise, they will more than likely start in a very big hole when they start on the easy stretch of their schedule with game 7.

From what I have seen so far, don't look for the offense to put up amazing numbers and points at the early part of the season.

The Eagles game really concerns because they need that game because of the next five they could easily lose.

Either win a nail bitter or the defense just dominates with turnovers that returned for touchdowns in a route, my prediction for the Eagles game.
 
HOU-TEX said:
IIRC, I don't think one ball was thrown to a WR while thier 1st D was in.
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2nd Qtr
1-10-HOU47 (2:07) D.Carr pass short middle to A.Johnson to DEN 47 for 6 yards (Da.Williams).
2-8-DEN40 (1:22) D.Carr pass incomplete deep left to E.Moulds.
3-8-DEN40 (1:13) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to DEN 35 for 5 yards (DJ.Williams).
4-3-DEN35 (1:01) D.Carr pass short middle to A.Johnson to DEN 30 for 5 yards (Da.Williams, I.Gold).

3rd Qtr--still 1st team D
1-10-HOU20 (15:00) D.Carr pass short right to A.Johnson ran ob at HST 34 for 14 yards.
2-6-DEN47 (12:48) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to E.Moulds.
3-6-DEN47 (12:41) D.Carr pass incomplete deep left to A.Johnson (Da.Williams).
 
Funny.....but I have people from all over the country emailing me and telling me Carr looked awful last night...I tell them hell, he looked better last night than I'm used too. The only people who tell me Carr looks like a legit big time QB are our homers, and people who never get to see him and still think his mega contract means he is good.
 
Second verse same as the first. Carr starting slow and picking up is not somehting new. In fact, it is the rule. But the unfortunate part of the story is that the 4th quarter is worse than the 1st quarter.

These are DC's 2005 situational splits, scroll to the Quarter breakdown:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306268/splits/2005

We have four years of data. We have four years of obeservations. Carr has been one thing and that is consistent.
 
infantrycak said:
2nd Qtr
1-10-HOU47 (2:07) D.Carr pass short middle to A.Johnson to DEN 47 for 6 yards (Da.Williams).
2-8-DEN40 (1:22) D.Carr pass incomplete deep left to E.Moulds.
3-8-DEN40 (1:13) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to DEN 35 for 5 yards (DJ.Williams).
4-3-DEN35 (1:01) D.Carr pass short middle to A.Johnson to DEN 30 for 5 yards (Da.Williams, I.Gold).

3rd Qtr--still 1st team D
1-10-HOU20 (15:00) D.Carr pass short right to A.Johnson ran ob at HST 34 for 14 yards.
2-6-DEN47 (12:48) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to E.Moulds.
3-6-DEN47 (12:41) D.Carr pass incomplete deep left to A.Johnson (Da.Williams).
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Not that it matters but I think thier 2nd teamers slowly started coming in late 2nd quarter and into the third. Either way, the offense needs improvement.:)

Crowd noise appeared to be a factor in a false start penalty against the Texans, who drove into the red zone against the Broncos second-team defense. The fourth-down penalty backed the Texans up enough to require a field goal, which Brown made. Denver held a 10-6 lead.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=341&contentID=5812
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Second verse same as the first. Carr starting slow and picking up is not somehting new. In fact, it is the rule. But the unfortunate part of the story is that the 4th quarter is worse than the 1st quarter.

These are DC's 2005 situational splits, scroll to the Quarter breakdown:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306268/splits/2005

We have four years of data. We have four years of obeservations. Carr has been one thing and that is consistent.
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Here is Carr on 3rd down this preseason. He has passed 10 times and converted ZERO 3rd downs into 1st downs.

3-5-HOU40 (9:54) D.Carr pass short middle to E.Moulds to HST 44 for 4 yards (D.Johnson, P.Surtain).
3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon).
3-10-HOU29 (9:37) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
3-11-STL19 (3:24) D.Carr sacked at SL 28 for -9 yards (C.Chavous). FUMBLES (C.Chavous), touched at SL 28, RECOVERED by SL-C.Chavous at SL 30. C.Chavous to SL 41 for 11 yards (F.Weary). Play Challenged by HST and REVERSED. D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson [C.Chavous].
3-7-HOU42 (13:52) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
3-7-HOU35 (4:44) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson (D.Groce).
3-4-50 (6:44) D.Carr sacked at 50 for 0 yards (K.Lang). FUMBLES (K.Lang), touched at DEN 48, ball out of bounds at HST 44.
3-4-HOU48 (3:22) D.Carr sacked at HST 41 for -7 yards (E.Ekuban).
3-8-DEN40 (1:13) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to DEN 35 for 5 yards (DJ.Williams).
3-5-DEN11 (:12) D.Carr spiked the ball to stop the clock.
 
You missed one--still a bleak picture:

3-6-DEN29 (10:16) D.Carr pass to E.Moulds to DEN 18 for 11 yards (C.Cox; K.Paymah).
1-10-DEN18 (9:22) V.Morency left guard to DEN 16 for 2 yards (C.Vaughn).
 
infantrycak said:
You missed one--still a bleak picture:

3-6-DEN29 (10:16) D.Carr pass to E.Moulds to DEN 18 for 11 yards (C.Cox; K.Paymah).
1-10-DEN18 (9:22) V.Morency left guard to DEN 16 for 2 yards (C.Vaughn).
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Ok...one.
 
hollywood_texan said:
I guess it was Sterling Sharpe doing the commentary on the NFL Network during the game, and he said something I have been saying for the last month. Sharpe was going through the Texans schedule and how tough it is. Sharpe said if the Texans don't beat the Eagles, they may not get a W until Thanksgiving.
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This is the same Sterling Sharpe that at the expansion draft said the Texans would win the AFC South in their first year of existence. The Texans won't lose their first 6 games of the season. Or win their first 6 games in the season. The answer lies somewhere in between. I don't know how many, neither does Sterling Sharpe.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Not that it matters but I think thier 2nd teamers slowly started coming in late 2nd quarter and into the third.
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Just like the Texans putting in Malone during the 1st half, the Broncos rotate players a lot--not the same thing as putting in the 2nd D. Look at who made all the plays on that last draft--DJ Williams, Al Wilson, Darrent Williams, Ian Gold--all 1st teamers.
 
Vinny said:
Funny.....but I have people from all over the country emailing me and telling me Carr looked awful last night...I tell them hell, he looked better last night than I'm used too. The only people who tell me Carr looks like a legit big time QB are our homers, and people who never get to see him and still think his mega contract means he is good.
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Man you are ruthless with Carr. He by far was not spectacular last night (either was Andre Johnson), but he was decent. He actually threw to TE's and settled down a bit. We had some really good long drives that led to scores (no TD's however) I'm not panicking on Carr as I know it will take a little time for him to click with this type of offense (notice he Kubiak didn't really rip him for the slow start).
 
Vinny said:
Funny.....but I have people from all over the country emailing me and telling me Carr looked awful last night...I tell them hell, he looked better last night than I'm used too. The only people who tell me Carr looks like a legit big time QB are our homers, and people who never get to see him and still think his mega contract means he is good.
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No doubt man, everyone not drinking battle red kool-aid sees Carr for what he is....which is a below average QB. One day these homers will wake up and smell the losses. Dude still looks like a rookie and his delivery has totally regressed in his mechanics. I can't believe anyone would say he looked good. He looked terrible. I hope the guy improves but if he doesnt I want us to be horrible this year so we can finally get rid of that loser and sign someone worth a crud.

If I hear from another person on this board that Carr looks good or the offense was 'clicking' I think I am going to vomit battle red kool aid. Also Lindy looked like arse as well. Morency better be the starter come opening day because he runs better and more importantly blocks better.

I want to see where the Carr supporters are when we are 3-13 at the end of the season. I hope you guys just disappear into a hole or something because to be honest I am sick of all the homering and excuses. Enough is enough and please admit you were wrong. Carr sucks.

doug from the woodlands
 
SESupergenius said:
Man you are ruthless with Carr. He by far was not spectacular last night (either was Andre Johnson), but he was decent. He actually threw to TE's and settled down a bit. We had some really good long drives that led to scores (no TD's however) I'm not panicking on Carr as I know it will take a little time for him to click with this type of offense (notice he Kubiak didn't really rip him for the slow start).
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Kubiak himself acctually took the blame.
 
SESupergenius said:
Man you are ruthless with Carr. He by far was not spectacular last night (either was Andre Johnson), but he was decent. He actually threw to TE's and settled down a bit. We had some really good long drives that led to scores (no TD's however) I'm not panicking on Carr as I know it will take a little time for him to click with this type of offense (notice he Kubiak didn't really rip him for the slow start).
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I just tell it like I see it. Nothing ruthless about that. I'm not panicing on Carr either. I just don't think he is a very good QB.
 
Vinny said:
Here is Carr on 3rd down this preseason. He has passed 10 times and converted ZERO 3rd downs into 1st downs.

3-5-HOU40 (9:54) D.Carr pass short middle to E.Moulds to HST 44 for 4 yards (D.Johnson, P.Surtain).
3-23-HOU32 (13:48) D.Carr pass short left to W.Lundy to HST 45 for 13 yards (W.Witherspoon).
3-10-HOU29 (9:37) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
3-11-STL19 (3:24) D.Carr sacked at SL 28 for -9 yards (C.Chavous). FUMBLES (C.Chavous), touched at SL 28, RECOVERED by SL-C.Chavous at SL 30. C.Chavous to SL 41 for 11 yards (F.Weary). Play Challenged by HST and REVERSED. D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson [C.Chavous].
3-7-HOU42 (13:52) D.Carr pass incomplete short right to A.Johnson.
3-7-HOU35 (4:44) D.Carr pass incomplete short left to A.Johnson (D.Groce).
3-4-50 (6:44) D.Carr sacked at 50 for 0 yards (K.Lang). FUMBLES (K.Lang), touched at DEN 48, ball out of bounds at HST 44.
3-4-HOU48 (3:22) D.Carr sacked at HST 41 for -7 yards (E.Ekuban).
3-8-DEN40 (1:13) D.Carr pass short middle to K.Walter to DEN 35 for 5 yards (DJ.Williams).
3-5-DEN11 (:12) D.Carr spiked the ball to stop the clock.
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Didn't you post this in another thread?

Vinny said:
No offense but people who post stats as 'proof' a guy can play have no clue to begin with. Football is not a game like baseball where you can look at a stat line and determine the talent of skills of a player. Just posting a ton of stats and saying a guy is this or that is folly and borderline amusing imo.
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Cjeremy635 said:
Sorry, I must have been watching a totally different game or you must have been watching one of the "other camera angles". :tease: I saw nothing Bushesque in Morency, though I don't think Bush is all he's cracked up to be. The only resemblance on the play you speak of was that he should have hit a hole and went North & South..not side to side. I didn't see much or any zone blocking and "one cut and go" running attacks. Moulds is a solid # 2 who seems to have lost a step but he has good hands and YAC and I feel what he contributes in leaderships & experience as well as what he does on the field will prove to be invaluable. Carr only looked sharp at the end against the 2nd team defense IIRC. Yes, they started to gel but I think it would have been too little too late in a real game. We need to improve in a lot of areas and that's what this game was for. I am still optomistic about this year but I didn't get your flavor of koolaid at the supermarket....they must have been sold out.
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The Bush thing was ment for a joke big dog. And the play I am talking about is not the one you think, I am talking about the throw to him were he looked like he was running out of bounds then stopped and then spun for 2 more yards.
Carr only looked sharp against the second team?.........Well hate to burst your bubble but their 1st team D was in just as long as our O was........Unless Champ Lynch and Darrent change #s with someone else.
Kooliad? or Truth.
 
Carr had a rough game ... rough ... Kubiak knows more about all this than I do though, so I'll trust him to push the proper buttons ....
 
JMO, but DC doesn't look comfortable, much less in command, during the game. I see glimpses of signs of confidence, but it is inconsistent. But, hey, it's the pre-season, so I'm still holding out hope that the regular season *magically* changes things for the better.
 
texan279 said:
Didn't you post this in another thread?
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yeah, you can't quantify players with 11-20 163. You can't tell a hitch pass from a 30 yard pass with what you did. I didn't do that, and I'm shocked you aren't smart enough to see a difference.
 
Hulk75 said:
Carr looked very good and was throwing the ball with accuracy and with smart possition of the football.
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This is the only area I think we have to critic Carr on last night. IMHO, that's a plus. all this jittery shakey business, in regards to last nights game is way off. He looked calm cool and collected for the most part.

That third and whatever, when he left the pocket, thought about throwing it away, then deciding to run, and loosing the fumble, was one of his two really bad plays. & I've only got two things to say about that.
1)always protect the friggin football
2)always go with your first instinct........ right or wrong, you don't have time to weigh your options. even if it were a pick, but it on your list of situations where it's not a good idea to throw it.

But he definitely didn't show much as far as accuracy, and his placement could've/should've been better.

I also question if the dump offs were the best option......... but as we couldn't see what our recievers were doing, I can't say for sure.

Overall, I think he is progressing.........
 
Vinny said:
yeah, you can't quantify players with 11-20 163. You can't tell a hitch pass from a 30 yard pass with what you did. I didn't do that, and I'm shocked you aren't smart enough to see a difference.
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Posting stats are posting stats, whether it is 11-20 163 or Carr being 1 for 10 on converting 3rd downs. I can't tell whether AJ dropped a pass, or Lundy ran out of bounds when he had open field to run, or whether Kevin Walter tripped and fell short of the marker based on what you posted. You can't quantify Carr on 3rd down conversions based on what his receivers may have done or not done to fail to convert the third down. On 3 of those plays the pass was completed, one a couple of others he was sacked and on one he spiked the ball, you cannot seriously blame Carr for not converting a 3rd down because he spiked the ball to stop the clock can you?
 
texan279 said:
Posting stats are posting stats, whether it is 11-20 163 or Carr being 1 for 10 on converting 3rd downs. I can't tell whether AJ dropped a pass, or Lundy ran out of bounds when he had open field to run, or whether Kevin Walter tripped and fell short of the marker based on what you posted.
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Well, I figure we all watched the game last night, and I pulled up specific situations and gave you the play by play. You pull up some general summaries from years ago and think you are making a fine point....remind me not to get pulled over in needville.
 
Vinny said:
Well, I figure we all watched the game last night, and I pulled up specific situations and gave you the play by play. You pull up some general summaries from years ago and think you are making a fine point....remind me not to get pulled over in needville.
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Well I didn't watch the game last night and the stats you posted were from the entire preseason. But hey, if you want to hold Carr accountable for spiking the ball to stop the clock on 3rd down and failing to convert the third down or getting sacked on third down and not converting that third down go ahead.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is the only area I think we have to critic Carr on last night. IMHO, that's a plus. all this jittery shakey business, in regards to last nights game is way off. He looked calm cool and collected for the most part.

That third and whatever, when he left the pocket, thought about throwing it away, then deciding to run, and loosing the fumble, was one of his two really bad plays. & I've only got two things to say about that.
1)always protect the friggin football
2)always go with your first instinct........ right or wrong, you don't have time to weigh your options. even if it were a pick, but it on your list of situations where it's not a good idea to throw it.

But he definitely didn't show much as far as accuracy, and his placement could've/should've been better.

I also question if the dump offs were the best option......... but as we couldn't see what our recievers were doing, I can't say for sure.

Overall, I think he is progressing.........
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The ball to Owen could have only been in one spot and that was low, right were he put it.

The ball to Moulds outside and away from the CB, was right on.

Lead all his RBs when they caught their balls.

Moulds deep ball was right on, BUT Moulds jogged off the line, Go back and watch it. Sterling Sharpe also said it was a nice thrown ball just Moulds lost a step.

The 1st down on 4th down to Andre was fired right into his chest were the CB could not knock it down.

The roll out to Dre on Champ was right on in the opening of the 3rd Q.

The post to Moulds could have been highier but still worked for 15 yards.

The drag to Dre was right on for 7 yards or so.
Playing almost three full quarters, David Carr had a solid day by completing a game-high 15 passes for a 68 percent completion rate. Aside from a screen pass that was deflected and intercepted, the Texans' starting signal-caller showed good command of the offense.
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texan279 said:
Well I didn't watch the game last night and the stats you posted were from the entire preseason. But hey, if you want to hold Carr accountable for spiking the ball to stop the clock on 3rd down and failing to convert the third down go ahead.
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If you can't see a trend in never converting a first down from a 3rd down (or perhaps once in 3 games)...I can't help you. You make all the excuses you want to make yourself comfy...but I'll keep pointing out that your offense goes to the sidelines when you can't convert a 3rd down.
 
Vinny said:
If you can't see a trend in never converting a first down from a 3rd down (or perhaps once in 3 games)...I can't help you. You make all the excuses you want to make yourself comfy...but I'll keep pointing out that your offense goes to the sidelines when you can't convert a 3rd down.
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So it's Carr's fault alone for not converting the third downs? Out of those 10 situations you posted, he completed three passes, had four incomplete passes, was sacked twice, and spiked the ball once. Why not post "Here are the Texans on 3rd down" instead of "Here is Carr on third down"? Is he the only one out there?
 
Second Honeymoon said:
No doubt man, everyone not drinking battle red kool-aid sees Carr for what he is....which is a below average QB.
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I don't think he's that bad.... I'm looking at him as if we drafted him #1 overall this year.

I don't think he is doing any worse than any QB picked #1 overall since 2002.

None of those guys were expected to light the league on fire their first year, and I don't expect Carr to.

I'm totally forgetting he's been a starter for the last 4 years...... to me, they never happened.
Second Honeymoon said:
I hope the guy improves but if he doesnt I want us to be horrible this year so we can finally get rid of that loser and sign someone worth a crud.
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quuuuuuuaaaaaaack ptttoooooiiii
Second Honeymoon said:
I want to see where the Carr supporters are when we are 3-13 at the end of the season.
doug from the woodlands
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while I am anything but a Carr Homer, if we go 3-13, I know it won't be because of David Carr alone.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think he is doing any worse than any QB picked #1 overall since 2002.
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What about any QB picked in the first round (instead of first overall)? :hmmm:
 
Hulk75 said:
The ball to Owen could have only been in one spot and that was low, right were he put it.

The ball to Moulds outside and away from the CB, was right on.

Lead all his RBs when they caught their balls.

Moulds deep ball was right on, BUT Moulds jogged off the line, Go back and watch it. Sterling Sharpe also said it was a nice thrown ball just Moulds lost a step.

The 1st down on 4th down to Andre was fired right into his chest were the CB could not knock it down.

The roll out to Dre on Champ was right on in the opening of the 3rd Q.

The post to Moulds could have been highier but still worked for 15 yards.

The drag to Dre was right on for 7 yards or so.
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You saw what you saw...... I can't argue with that..... but I'll give you the pass to Eric, where Moulds was sleeping..... that was obvious. and a good throw.
 
texan279 said:
Well I didn't watch the game last night and the stats you posted were from the entire preseason. But hey, if you want to hold Carr accountable for spiking the ball to stop the clock on 3rd down and failing to convert the third down or getting sacked on third down and not converting that third down go ahead.
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O my gosh, did he really blame him for that?

Respect is falling fast..........Carr looked to the freaking sideline and Kubiak told him to waite and spike it, give me a break Vinny. Take a chance and get it picked, no thanks just kick the FG, like we did.

And if your blaming him for the sack you need mental help, Wiegert got smoked, great move from the DE Ebenizer.
 
thunderkyss said:
that's what a good coach does.......


and what a good QB should do.
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Yep...............

You have been here a while David Carr always takes the blame for his guys, he has never thrown anyone under the bus.
 
Lucky said:
This is the same Sterling Sharpe that at the expansion draft said the Texans would win the AFC South in their first year of existence. The Texans won't lose their first 6 games of the season. Or win their first 6 games in the season. The answer lies somewhere in between. I don't know how many, neither does Sterling Sharpe.
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The point is they have to beat the Eagles, otherwise they will be looking at 1-5 or 0-6 square in the face because they play as follows:

Indy on the road
Redskins at home
Fins at Home
Cowboys on the Road
Jags at home

That is the point I took from it. Texans have a brutal front end schedule and need to post a W quickly.
 
Hulk75 said:
O my gosh, did he really blame him for that?

Respect is falling fast..........Carr looked to the freaking sideline and Kubiak told him to waite and spike it, give me a break Vinny. Take a chance and get it picked, no thanks just kick the FG, like we did.

And if your blaming him for the sack you need mental help, Wiegert got smoked, great move from the DE Ebenizer.
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I just posted all his 3rd downs. You guys are the ones having a hissy fit.
 
hollywood_texan said:
The point is they have to beat the Eagles, otherwise they will be looking at 1-5 or 0-6 square in the face because they play as follows:

Indy on the road
Redskins at home
Fins at Home
Cowboys on the Road
Jags at home

That is the point I took from it. Texans have a brutal front end schedule and need to post a W quickly.
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Your right but if our offense can get going like it did in the 2nd and 3 Q and our Defense plays tough like it did, then I can see us beating more then just 2 teams in that stretch, but I see what your saying.
 
Hulk75 said:
Kubiak himself acctually took the blame.
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You could take this several ways.

First, Kubiak could be deflecting the blame to himself to avoid a QB controversary.

Second, Kubiak has basically said the offense cannot handle the entire offense. Maybe he pushed them a little and they didn't stack up.

Kubiak is a smart guy and a good coach. I think you have to read between the lines a little on this one and he could be trying to avoid controversaries.

I don't think you can say Carr doesn't have any responsibility for the play of the offense in the first half.
 
Vinny said:
I just posted all his 3rd downs. You guys are the ones having a hissy fit.
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And you said he passed 10 times on 10 third downs when in reality going by what you posted Carr is 3/7 for 22 yards this preseason on 3rd down.
 
hollywood_texan said:
You could take this several ways.

First, Kubiak could be deflecting the blame to himself to avoid a QB controversary.

Second, Kubiak has basically said the offense cannot handle the entire offense. Maybe he pushed them a little and they didn't stack up.

Kubiak is a smart guy and a good coach. I think you have to read between the lines a little on this one and he could be trying to avoid controversaries.
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I take it as they gave him bad plays, Kubiak tells the truth and is very blunt. He calls guys out all the time, he took this one on him this time.
 
texan279 said:
And you said he passed 10 times on 10 third downs when in reality going by what you posted Carr is 3/7 for 22 yards this preseason on 3rd down.
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eh...I'm just talking about his passing. my opinion of Carr is at an all time low right now. I figured I'd see progress under Kubiak, but I just see the same ol' workout warrior....anyway....to each his own. I'm gonna back out of the Carr debate thing here. I've said enough

Keep sippin' that koolaide
 
Vinny said:
eh...I'm just talking about his passing. my opinion of Carr is at an all time low right now. I figured I'd see progress under Kubiak, but I just see the same ol' workout warrior....anyway....to each his own

Keep sippin' that koolaide
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What was wrong with how he played?
 
thunderkyss said:
while I am anything but a Carr Homer, if we go 3-13, I know it won't be because of David Carr alone.
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Correct. But this team isn't going 3-13.

This is not a bad football team. Denver had one of the top 5 teams in football, as well as one of the toughest home fields. And the Texans played them tough. Not smart, but tough.

Tennessee, that's a bad football team. New Orleans is a bad football team. The Texans will be in that large morass of parity that engulfs much of the NFL. They no longer lay claim to having the worst offense and the worst defense in football.

I heard the announcers last night speak about the team needing confidence. I think Texan fans need a little confidence boost, too. As a fan base, we have a losing mentality. Makes sense, because this team has lost for 4 seasons. I've seen a lot of bad football during that time, but I'm seeing better football now. That gives me hope (yeah, hope is a 4 letter word) that this team can continue to get better. If that makes me a koolaid drinker or sunshine spreader, so be it. But I think the fans who think this team will go 3-13 or have the #1 pick in the draft are flat out wrong.
 
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