diehard1192
Noob
So, how would you grade Mario's 1st performace?
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Mario's 1st Performance
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Porky
Hall of Fame
C- against the position he was drafted in. But, like Carr, Kris Brown, and some of the others that are being roasted, it's very early, and the sample was small. Hopefully, he will continue to improve every day. That's all we can ask for at this time. Sooner or later though, he has to produce in a big way to justify his selection.
We need to be prepared for an entire season of this. Mario's impact will not be seen in the boxscore or on Sportscenter. He'll get his fair share of sacks, but he won't have the gaudy numbers we all would like him to have. The Reggie Bush disciples will troll our MB all season crowing about Bush's punt return yards and his 5 carries for no gain followed by 1 carry for 40 yards (all the way to yet another losing season).
His dominance will be there, but it will be hard to quantify.
His dominance will be there, but it will be hard to quantify.
diehard1192
Noob
Luv_ya_blue said:
My thread got deleted. That was the only place I said I would post.
Hey, I just asked how yall would grade his performance. That's all.
Personally, I'd give him an F.
diehard1192
Noob
``I kind of got too excited and that made me get a little tired,'' Williams said. ``But I was not nervous at all.''
Quote:
``I have a lot to learn,'' Williams said. ``I was moving up and down the ball. I'm used to just coming off the edge and it's a lot different here.''
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I'm just going by what the guy said, but it sounds like he got tired and realized he has a lot to learn. I wouldn't think that is what you would want to hear from the #1 pick in the draft.....but that's just me.
By the way, Reggie looked great to us. He wasn't nervous at all, I think he likes the spotlight....he seems to shine in it.
Quote:
``I have a lot to learn,'' Williams said. ``I was moving up and down the ball. I'm used to just coming off the edge and it's a lot different here.''
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I'm just going by what the guy said, but it sounds like he got tired and realized he has a lot to learn. I wouldn't think that is what you would want to hear from the #1 pick in the draft.....but that's just me.
By the way, Reggie looked great to us. He wasn't nervous at all, I think he likes the spotlight....he seems to shine in it.
diehard1192
Noob
I know you posted that...I quoted it.
I just found it very thought provoking. Don't you?
Is anyone concerned that Kyle Turley hasn't played in the NFL for two years, but he could handle MW by himself? I'd be concerned.
I just found it very thought provoking. Don't you?
Is anyone concerned that Kyle Turley hasn't played in the NFL for two years, but he could handle MW by himself? I'd be concerned.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
I think I will start a thread:
How do you rate the Saints' 80 Million backfield so far?
So far I will give them an F for not scoring enough points to win their first pre-season game.
How do you rate the Saints' 80 Million backfield so far?
So far I will give them an F for not scoring enough points to win their first pre-season game.
diehard1192
Noob
Luv_ya_blue said:Well...
If you took time to copy/paste a quote from my thread, then you should have taken the time to read my thoughts on it.
Just FYI...take theof your head and the screen will come in a lot more clearly!
You didn't have any thoughts on it. You just posted a bunch of quotes.
diehard1192
Noob
Hardcore Texan said:
I take it that you are pleased with Mario's performance?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Every rookie has alot to learn and so does Reggie Bush. Reggie is going to have to learn that he's not going to be able to live on the outside in the NFL, he's going to have to learn how to run it up the middle. He didn't really do squat in the middle and everytime he got the ball he looked for a way to cut to the outside. Granted he got a big run on the outside, but a back that goes for, 1 yard, 3 yards, 2 yards, then maybe a 25 yard run on the outside isn't consistent enough to sustain long crucial drives in the 4th, thats the reason he was on the sideline on the crucial play in the 4th of the title game. Bush needs to learn to pick up the tough yards. I know you have Duece this year for that, but your not going to be able to afford two 50 million dollar backs and you can't pay a guy 50 million dollars to be a short yardage 3rd down back either, Duece will be moved in the near future.
diehard1192
Noob
Luv_ya_blue said:
Wow! So those are the "thoughts" you were referring to? I'm sorry, I expect thoughts to be a little more elaborate than that. Yes, I did read your "thoughts".
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Also you can't compare Bush to Mario, they play on different sides of the ball and play two different positions. We're going to have to compare wins.
diehard1192
Noob
Carr Bomb said:
I wasn't comparing the two, I just wanted to know how would you grade Mario's performance....that's all.
TexanBacker93
Veteran
diehard1192 said:
Your thread wasn't deleted. It was moved to the NFL boards since it really wasn't a Texans thread.
Personally, I am happy the Texans took Williams. I love defense and wanted this team to build around a dominant defensive player. That being said, I would grade Mario as an incomplete so far. It is too early to tell what is going to happen. I think his skills and physical attributes will keep him from being a flop. His drive is what is going to make him a star. Does he have that? It's too soon to tell.
I'm glad you are happy with Reggie Bush. He is going to be a wonderful running back and should be exciting to watch. I don't think he would have been a good fit in this system. He seems to like to dance and juke. I don't know if he could have molded himself into a one cut runner.
Hardcore Texan
Magnet Man
diehard1192 said:
Being it was his first pre-season game as a rookie and not being able to break down each single down and know what the coaches calls were.....I would give him a C+, considering the learning curve, him moving to DT a time or two, and playing more than one "spot". It's hard from the camera angle to see the numbers on the players back and follow him to whatever the strong side is for that particular play.
It is important to note that D-Line aren't going to get noticed quite as much as other positions, it is not a "sexy" position unless they are getting sacks. Sometimes their job is to draw a double team, or contain a run play, stretch a play out to the sideline and give your LB's time to run it down.
Of course I am just an avid fan, you really want to know how he is doing then follow the depth chart up to the season opener, because I am certain about one thing, Kubiak will put the best 11 on the field. Mario will be a dominant force for a long time, but it doesn't always happen overnight. So IMHO there are alot of factors to consider.
diehard1192
Noob
You might be right, Bush may not be the right back for your system.
I hope Mario turns out to be a good fit for your system.
I hope Mario turns out to be a good fit for your system.
TexansJunkE
Waterboy
diehard1192 said:
Hey TOOLhard being the player scout that I know you are, you would know that RB's have an easier time converting to the NFL. But of course you already know this. By the way, why don't you go buy some buckets and start bailing water out of the SuperDome I think you guys have a pitty primetime game.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
diehard1192 said:
I wasn't saying you did
diehard1192
Noob
Carr Bomb said:
diehard1192
Noob
jerek said:
Ok, how would you grade Williams?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
diehard1192 said:
Because there are some that are and everybody on ESPN and the countless other Saint trolls that will be stopping by this season.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
I give Mario a "B" in conjunction with the defense. It effected their offensive line enough to double on him. His playing time is unfair to judge for the whole game because of total playing game time. I think because of this the other DL players were put in a situation to be more active in actions, adjustments, and determination because of the #1 draft pick Mario and they will gel better as they play more. It's a learning and studying preseason during this time span but one can honestly say at this time that defense wins games and I believe the Texans won this game. There's always room for improvement and that's what hopefully preseason will summon to be and continue onward through the regular season.
diehard1192
Noob
kbourda said:
It's something to build on
diehard1192
Noob
Carr Bomb said:
And why is that relavant here?
Why not just tell me how you grade Mario's performance?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I tried to watch Mario as best I could but it was hard because he moved from LE to RE and then went to DT for a play or two. He wasn't playing just against turley but everyone up and down their o-line. There were a few times I saw him right there on the ball on the opposite side of the field (no tackle no assist but he was there), they ran the ball opposite him too and saw him get by their tackle. He also got double teamed a few times that opened up the other side. One time I did see him completely push down their tackle, I laughed hard.
All in all I like everyone else wanted more. wanted to see that first sack. it didnt come that game. we expected it so it was a little disappointing. I do thing he did average. not bad not good.
I was extremely pleased with the defense in general esp. demeco! Mario stood above all the rest of the linemen he is really tall. Start of the game I think he was excited pumping up his hands. Anthony Weaver really tried to get the other guys pumped up too..he seems to be outspoken.
I went on too long but liked what i saw as a whole and thats all you can ask for the first preseason game with like what 6 new starters on D???
All in all I like everyone else wanted more. wanted to see that first sack. it didnt come that game. we expected it so it was a little disappointing. I do thing he did average. not bad not good.
I was extremely pleased with the defense in general esp. demeco! Mario stood above all the rest of the linemen he is really tall. Start of the game I think he was excited pumping up his hands. Anthony Weaver really tried to get the other guys pumped up too..he seems to be outspoken.
I went on too long but liked what i saw as a whole and thats all you can ask for the first preseason game with like what 6 new starters on D???
diehard1192
Noob
Ole Miss Texan said:
That's cool. How is the rest of your D-Line besides Mario? Why do they have him lining up at DT?
TexanBacker93
Veteran
The coaches want to move him around. Sometimes to get favorable matchups. Sometimes to force the offense to take him into consideration. Plus, when they go into a nickle defense they seem to want Babin and Peek in there so Mario moves inside to get more pass rushers in there.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
diehard1192 said:
Because its the reason why your here. Look at your post history, obviously you wanted to talk about Reggie. You wouldn't be here right now if Reggie doesn't have ONE good run or if Mario would of registered one sack. There are three other posters in this thread that already referenced Bush in this thread, get off of me. I posted what I posted, because I have to deal with constant trolls that only pop up when Reggie does something good and disapear when theres bad press (the whole offseason) and frankly I'm getting tired of it.
ESPN makes it relavant, Saint trolls make it relavant, and post like this where your obviously comparing the two make it relavant
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=405468#post405468
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=404838#post404838
I don't have to explain myself.
If your were really interested in our team you would ask us to grade other rookies that had a outstanding game, but know you want to know about the guy who was taken ahead of reggie for obvious reasons
diehard1192
Noob
Carr Bomb said:
I'm here because I was surprised to see that the guy taken above Bush was having a hard time with Turley. Then I read that he was tired, has a lot to learn.....i wanted to know what Texans felt about that.
I was expecting like the next coming of Lwarence Taylor and I was a little surprised by his 1st performance. That's all. Not to say he won't get better. I'm sure he will. I just wanted to know how you guys felt about it.
diehard1192
Noob
chuckm said:
I don't know, how did he do?
I do know how Bush did in his 1st game....he took a busted play and turned it into a 44 yrd gain beacuse no one could catch him.
chuckm
Veteran
diehard1192 said:
According to
http://databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=TAYLOLAW01
Taylor had no sacks in his rookie year ...
edit: link fixed
diehard1192
Noob
chuckm said:
So I guess that no sacks from Mario would be a successful season?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
diehard1192 said:
I feel the same way about him as I do every other rookie, he has alot to learn as does every other rookie. When a rookie makes mistakes, people don't say "Oh he made a mistake", they say "he made rookie mistakes" and for good reason.
The RB position is the easiest position that translates to the NFL, other positons go through rookie mistakes and a higher learning curve. Mario made it through his first preseason game uninjured, thats all I care about right now. All he has to do is improve each outing and I'll be happy.
TexansJunkE
Waterboy
diehard1192 said:
Let's talk when the games actually mean something.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I don't know why everyone is talking down on diehard. Regardless of his previous post he asked a simple question and we show lack of class in making all these assumptions about why he's here instead of addressing the qsuestion. I would give Mario a C overall. I agree with Mario when he says he has alot to learn. I'm sure that if he had played the whole game he would have shown some adjustment towards the end, but considering what he did while he was out there I think that is a fair grade. He showed he had the physical tools to be a force, but he didn't use them too efficiently in the game. He was bad at disengaging and relied on bull rushing to much. His reaction in finding the runner were less then what one would hope for, but I believe as he settles in he will get better. I think he over tried, this is probably why he relied so much on the bull rush and on the play where LJ ran right past him he had blown past the line, but tripped himself up. He put himself at a disadvantage when his knees hit the ground and he was unable to make the play. I think he overcommitted on that play, maybe had he been more focused he would have had a better game, but I believe a large portion of this was pre-season and rookie jitters. Also it was positive to see the amount of attention given to him, when he moved to the middle two blockers engaged him initially and when he played end even though he only had one tackle at time if you paid attention the running back usually drifted in that direction and if you remember that cut block was delivered by somebody in the backfield not the tackle. So he was beginning to show pressure, but he still could have done much better. Hopefully he will improve for the next game, but I can't give him anything higher than a C at the moment.
The Preacher
Waterboy
The short answer is yes, I am pleased with Mario and the way a top notch NFL offense already gameplanned around avoiding him. 
diehard1192
Noob
chuckm said:
Ok, well what would you consider to be a successful season?
10 sacks?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Reggie makes one run and the ESPN crowd plus the Saints fan wants to have his baby . ESPN wants to cover their ass after saying Reggie's worth more than a 650,000 dollar house .I think you can't grade anyone on one game but he has talent and the jury's out for a couple of years . If Mario can play and Ryans pans out for the defense and you include Spencer , Winston , Daniels and Lundy for the offense ( 5th for Moulds , 7th for Walter ) who cares what diehard or the media says . This appears to be a group to compliment the talent we have . I'll bet the Saints draft ahead of us next year then who's right .
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
diehard1192 said:
Hell no. If Mario had no sacks that would be a wasted season. Comparing him to LT is totally off. D-linemen's job is to get to the QB to create pressure and be the first line of defense against the run. LB's aren't sackmasters, they have so many other duties that if they don't get any sacks you have other categories which to base your judgement on. However if your job is to get to the QB and your taken first in the draft, but you don't get to the QB at least once, then you've totally failed at your job.
Smash_Mouth_Mario
Waterboy
AFD1717 said:
Exactly!
