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Bush vs. Lundy

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Guys, I was reading the paper this morning after hearing last night what a great game Reggie Bush had.

Reggie: 10 carries, 59 yards
Wali: 9 carries, 58 yards

Also, if Wali makes that catch last night where he was wide open with space to run.....:jam:

I was at the game and paid a lot of attention to Mario. He looks like the real deal to me, and KC was treating him like the real deal. They doubled him quite a bit, and ran the ball mostly away from him. When Mario gets to study film on just one or two linemen and play them for a whole game the sacks are going to come.:mario:

I'm a big Bama fan. Here is a quote from Bama defensive coach Kines: "Demeco isn't the strongest or the fastest linebacker on our team, but he has a nose for the ball and it seems like he is almost always there." Demeco got the first tackle in the game.

I am so pumped up I can barely contain myself!
:yahoo:
 
Demeco Ryans was around the ball alot last night. That quote from his coach from Alabama is right on the mark, Demeco showed great lateral speed and penetration getting to the ball carrier. #59 is going to be a big part of the Texan defense.
 
gwallaia said:
Demeco Ryans was around the ball alot last night. That quote from his coach from Alabama is right on the mark, Demeco showed great lateral speed and penetration getting to the ball carrier. #59 is going to be a big part of the Texan defense.
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He made a few mistakes last night that I could see, but those are to be expected. We should be VERY pleased with his ability to get near the ball, and with some NFL experience, we're looking at a MLB we've desperately needed.
 
Reggie only had 6 carries. That said, he averaged 3 ypc on his non-big play. Take out Lundy's big play and he averaged 4.25. Lundy will never be Bush, and Bush will never be a grinder.
 
Thanks for the kind words. Being a Tide backer, I was just as excited about Ryans getting picked as I was about Mario Williams.

Also, now that I have seen in person what a limited set of Kubiak's offensive plays can do I am happier and happier that we didn't go for Reggie Bush or VY.

Football at Reliant Stadium sounds like an exciting way to spend your Sunday again! Win or lose these games are going to be fun to watch again.

Did you notice that empty backfield formation last night? Capers would have never done that. I'm up early on Sunday morning just to sit at this PC and talk about football! It's crazy.
 
infantrycak said:
Reggie only had 6 carries. That said, he averaged 3 ypc on his non-big play. Take out Lundy's big play and he averaged 4.25. Lundy will never be Bush, and Bush will never be a grinder.
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You are correct, sir. My bad. It seems however that you would be mostly in agreement with me.
 
This what I like about the Texans' backs Wali & Chris is that they can grind it out & can take it for big carries along wit the zone blocking scheme. And they seem to handle the hits from defenders well! Bush has still to prove if can be an every down back who can grind it out without hastening the end his career! But, I think he will be a slash type playa ( running & receiving), & a DANGEROUS ONE @ that! Plus if Wali & Chris continues to play well then they are the biggest steals of the draft, along with O Daniels, Demeco, & Spencer!:mario: :yahoo:
 
Trade'06pick said:
I was at the game and paid a lot of attention to Mario. He looks like the real deal to me, and KC was treating him like the real deal. They doubled him quite a bit, and ran the ball mostly away from him. When Mario gets to study film on just one or two linemen and play them for a whole game the sacks are going to come.:mario:
:yahoo:
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The "real deal" was getting his arse handed to him by a guy who hasn't played football in two years.

Mario is going to go down as one of the worst picks in history.
 
Wali Lundy performed how I expected him to, in practice when he gets downfield and has a hole he hits it and has very good balance which is always a plus. He has shown better hands though, and the only problem that I really saw with him is a problem with most rookies and that was his blocking.

Chris Taylor, my darkhorse, was ok. I admit that I probably evaluate him much tougher than most do, and like I said in ealier post about him he will be able to help and should make the team. His blocking was better than Lundy's, but his vision was worse. He seemed to play tenative, and when he had a hole he seemed to be a half step slow. Not sure, but he has been limping a bit and that may be hindering him. His hands also did nothing to impress me. One thing I did notice is that both were a load to bring down, you are not going to arm tackle our backs this year.
 
diehard1192 said:
The "real deal" was getting his arse handed to him by a guy who hasn't played football in two years.

Mario is going to go down as one of the worst picks in history.
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Do you seriously have nothing better to do than attack our team? What is actually your real beef over here?

Like I said in another post, we are sorry if you are disturbed and jealous by what you see happening here, and are SO EXCITED that you have Bush then go play with your own people.

You are embarrasing yourself.

:mario: And he is a force to be reckoned with, just keep running your mouth.....
 
diehard1192 said:
The "real deal" was getting his arse handed to him by a guy who hasn't played football in two years.

Mario is going to go down as one of the worst picks in history.
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We'll see who the real deal is here next fall when the Saints come marching into Reliant and go whimpering out with their tails firmly tucked.
 
Bush: 8 touches for 69 yards, 8.625 yards per touch, 0 TDs
Lundy: 12 touches for 110 yards 9.167 yards per touch, 1 TD
 
diehard1192 said:
The "real deal" was getting his arse handed to him by a guy who hasn't played football in two years.

Mario is going to go down as one of the worst picks in history.
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Bold words. I sure didn't see his arse handed to him. I saw him being double teamed quite a bit, and the Chiefs didn't run his way.
 
diehard1192 said:
The "real deal" was getting his arse handed to him by a guy who hasn't played football in two years.

Mario is going to go down as one of the worst picks in history.
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I agree 100%.........you people just wait. The texans will be better this year, but not because of mario. Just imagine if the texans had a big playmaker though
 
i like lundy but i think we are taking it a bit to far to bring him to R bush status lets face it if that was the case he wouldnt of been at least a 1st day pick.
 
I've already seen Bush's 40 yard plus run in his preseason game last night on ESPN more times than I want to, and it happened less than 24 hrs ago !
But Bush had 59 yards on 6 carries and Lundy has 59 yards on 10 carries, but
our guy gets a TD and Bush doesn't. I think our guy did fine.
And how many times will PTIs stand-up Catskill comic TK talk about Bush's run on his ESPN MNF debut tomorrow night ?
But I'm feeling better than ever about passing on Bush, though back in April I was inclined to take him. If we'd have just got, I dunno, maybe a 3rd round pick as boot with Mario ?
 
Well actually if you watched Sportscenter and The Sports Reporters this morning you would think Reggie Bush was the next coming of God.

Everything that came out of the mouths of the guys on sports reporters was basically to the tune that Texans screwed up and Bush, Bush, Bush. I wanna marry Bush.

Then on Sportscenter they made a big deal out of showing Kyle Turley knock Mario off balance. Funny thing was they kept saying that he hasn't played in 2 years and he took Williams out, then Williams gets up and overruns the play.

Looked to me like that was a hell of an athletic move on Williams part to come from the ground and still get back into trying to tackle the runner even if he did overrun it.

God I can see what this season is going to be like with the west and east coast sports press all but married to Reggie and the Houston press with a boner in Vince Young. Gonna be a long season for the Texans in the press.
 
The Dream said:
Lundy looked good last night, but I have a strong feeling Bush will be better than him in the long run.
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You would sure hope so. The guy is paid as a top RB in the league.
 
its only pre-season, so we shouldnt get ahead of ourselves. I dont think Bush is designed to be a "grinder" - hes built to make people miss. Deuce is more of the grinder - if he can stay healthy. Will be interesting to see Deuce and Bush together in the backfield.
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
I am glad we did not pick Reggie Bush.
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If Lundy performs the way he did last night it will certainly make it forgettable. Kubiak's knack for finding and putting sleepers into his system should be worthy of some kind of award in itself. It should be interesting to see who starts the season at RB if DD is unavailable. :poker:
 
Mr. B said:
Well actually if you watched Sportscenter and The Sports Reporters this morning you would think Reggie Bush was the next coming of God.

Everything that came out of the mouths of the guys on sports reporters was basically to the tune that Texans screwed up and Bush, Bush, Bush. I wanna marry Bush.

Then on Sportscenter they made a big deal out of showing Kyle Turley knock Mario off balance. Funny thing was they kept saying that he hasn't played in 2 years and he took Williams out, then Williams gets up and overruns the play.

Looked to me like that was a hell of an athletic move on Williams part to come from the ground and still get back into trying to tackle the runner even if he did overrun it.

God I can see what this season is going to be like with the west and east coast sports press all but married to Reggie and the Houston press with a boner in Vince Young. Gonna be a long season for the Texans in the press.
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Mr. B it sure is sad to see the media and even some of our own fans down on Mario (and that is their right if they want to) after only 1 preseason game. But I for one don't care what they say about Mario. I think in the end he will prove them wrong, but I don't think they would ever give him credit if he does. Unfortunately, he will probably always be looked at (by the media and some "fans") as the guy who shouldn't have been picked #1.

What most of the media failed to see was a Texans "TEAM," with no real "superstars," win over a team they weren't supposed to beat. How did we win? We don't have Reggie. We don't have Vince. How did we win? It's the system! I don't think we're going to see Kubiak pick players that don't fit his system just because the media or some fans say we should! Kubiak may be wrong on some of his picks from time to time, (Has Denver been 100% right on their picks?) but I don't think he will change the way he and his staff go about making those picks. And, I haven't seen anything yet that says they should change! Just my :twocents:
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
i like lundy but i think we are taking it a bit to far to bring him to R bush status lets face it if that was the case he wouldnt of been at least a 1st day pick.
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You mean like Terrel Davis? Clinton Portis? Do your homework. How many Heisman winners in the last 17 years made an impact in the NFL? Two? You don't need to spend the number one pick on an RB to be successful in the NFL. You need to find the kid that fits your system.
 
KKHouston said:
You mean like Terrel Davis? Clinton Portis? Do your homework. How many Heisman winners in the last 17 years made an impact in the NFL? Two? You don't need to spend the number one pick on an RB to be successful in the NFL. You need to find the kid that fits your system.
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sorry to burst your bubble mister now it all in football lol clinton portis was a
1st day pick. terrel was a late pick six or seventh round . but if your going to bring up a player at least research were he was drafted before you sound like a total homer. and i totally agree with you there's no reason to spend the 1st overall pick on a rb.
 
Trade'06pick said:
Reggie: 10 carries, 59 yards
Wali: 9 carries, 58 yards, 1 TD
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Fixed :yahoo:

Bush is hype, I'm telling you. Wali Lundy has better stats than he did for his pre-season game, but ESPN isn't putting that in the highlight reel.
 
im a texans fan but im looking at this as bush vs. mario. last nite granted it was preseason and he only played the first quarter,but if you didnt see the starting lineups when the game started u would have never known mario was on the field. i sayed back on draft day the texans would regret not getting bush and yes im bitter that i cant go out to reliant and watch reggie bush do his thing. last nites 45 yard run from bush is the first of many highlight plays from bush this year. yes lundy looked good in his first game but lets not compare this guy to bush. he couldnt carry bushs' jock. the texans will be better this yr. thanks to new coaching staff and new attitude but we would be a better team and a more exciting team with bush in the backfield. maybe adrian peterson next yr. in the draft? unless they take another defensive lineman
 
actually I thought reggie had 6 carries for 58 and 2 catches for 10

while lundy had 7 carries for 58 yards and 1 catch for 9

I'll have to look them up

anyway infantrycak..said it Lundy wont' be bush and bush won't be lundry..

My take is hopefully both players will be good.

we traded down and passed on DJ ..we got TJ and winston for that.. if passing on bush and getting Mario and lundy(later rounds) and get results.. I am all for it.

I hope it balances out, we gave up some players/picks for Babin and pbuc (not bashing these players, just saying we gave up multiple "bodies" for these guys)
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
sorry to burst your bubble mister now it all in football lol clinton portis was a
1st day pick. terrel was a late pick six or seventh round . but if your going to bring up a player at least research were he was drafted before you sound like a total homer. and i totally agree with you there's no reason to spend the 1st overall pick on a rb.
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What about Priest Holmes?
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
i like lundy but i think we are taking it a bit to far to bring him to R bush status lets face it if that was the case he wouldnt of been at least a 1st day pick.
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Yeah. Like a Terrel Davis... oh... wait...

:)
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
i like lundy but i think we are taking it a bit to far to bring him to R bush status lets face it if that was the case he wouldnt of been at least a 1st day pick.
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1995.

1st pick overall: Ki-Jana Carter
196th pick overall: Terrell Davis

2006.

2nd pick overall: Reggie Bush
170th Pick overall: Wali Lundy
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
sorry to burst your bubble mister now it all in football lol clinton portis was a
1st day pick. terrel was a late pick six or seventh round . but if your going to bring up a player at least research were he was drafted before you sound like a total homer. and i totally agree with you there's no reason to spend the 1st overall pick on a rb.
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I said the FIRST pick, goofus... not a first day pick. Go back to your corner and learn how to read. And Autozone is better than NAPA. So there.
 
KKHouston said:
I said the FIRST pick, goofus... not a first day pick. Go back to your corner and learn how to read. And Autozone is better than NAPA. So there.
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well you quoted me

Originally Posted by Napa Auto Parts
i like lundy but i think we are taking it a bit to far to bring him to R bush status lets face it if that was the case he wouldnt of been at least a 1st day pick.



You mean like Terrel Davis? Clinton Portis? Do your homework. How many Heisman winners in the last 17 years made an impact in the NFL? Two? You don't need to spend the number one pick on an RB to be successful in the NFL. You need to find the kid that fits your system.


as you can tell in post that you quoted i ver said 1st overall pick i said 1st day pick lol and i agree autozone is better and cheaper.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
well you quoted me

Originally Posted by Napa Auto Parts
i like lundy but i think we are taking it a bit to far to bring him to R bush status lets face it if that was the case he wouldnt of been at least a 1st day pick.
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I need to go back to my corner and read...:hides:
 
cbnjwill said:
im a texans fan but im looking at this as bush vs. mario. last nite granted it was preseason and he only played the first quarter,but if you didnt see the starting lineups when the game started u would have never known mario was on the field. i sayed back on draft day the texans would regret not getting bush and yes im bitter that i cant go out to reliant and watch reggie bush do his thing. last nites 45 yard run from bush is the first of many highlight plays from bush this year. yes lundy looked good in his first game but lets not compare this guy to bush. he couldnt carry bushs' jock. the texans will be better this yr. thanks to new coaching staff and new attitude but we would be a better team and a more exciting team with bush in the backfield. maybe adrian peterson next yr. in the draft? unless they take another defensive lineman
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Oh Lord! Another annoying Troll popping up here, where are "Troll Blockers" when you need it! Pls go back to yer AINTS board & be happy that you got your overpriced slash player! You should thank us & not rub it in!:hunter: :chicken:
 
:cowboy1: If Lundy is in same sentence as Bush we've won . Lets see ... greatest player ever never to have played a real game and Lundy a 6th round pick had good games . We just saved 50 million priceless .
 
cbnjwill said:
im a texans fan but im looking at this as bush vs. mario. last nite granted it was preseason and he only played the first quarter,but if you didnt see the starting lineups when the game started u would have never known mario was on the field. i sayed back on draft day the texans would regret not getting bush and yes im bitter that i cant go out to reliant and watch reggie bush do his thing. last nites 45 yard run from bush is the first of many highlight plays from bush this year. yes lundy looked good in his first game but lets not compare this guy to bush. he couldnt carry bushs' jock. the texans will be better this yr. thanks to new coaching staff and new attitude but we would be a better team and a more exciting team with bush in the backfield. maybe adrian peterson next yr. in the draft? unless they take another defensive lineman
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For someone who couldn't carry Reggie's jock, he has done something that Reggie hasn't, scored a touchdown. He also had more yards and yards per touch than Reggie did last night and in his college career, had more touchdowns. Reggie may put up 1400-1500 total yards in a given season, but he isn't going to score many touchdowns.
 
so anyways what does this mean for DD is lundy going to be our back now i really tought he looked great and he had that X-tra Burst that DD doesnt have.:stirpot:
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
so anyways what does this mean for DD is lundy going to be our back now i really tought he looked great and he had that X-tra Burst that DD doesnt have.:stirpot:
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If DD were healthy, I am not sure it would be a question, but considering what we know, he looks like a viable candidate.
 
cbnjwill said:
im a texans fan but im looking at this as bush vs. mario. last nite granted it was preseason and he only played the first quarter,but if you didnt see the starting lineups when the game started u would have never known mario was on the field. i sayed back on draft day the texans would regret not getting bush and yes im bitter that i cant go out to reliant and watch reggie bush do his thing. last nites 45 yard run from bush is the first of many highlight plays from bush this year. yes lundy looked good in his first game but lets not compare this guy to bush. he couldnt carry bushs' jock. the texans will be better this yr. thanks to new coaching staff and new attitude but we would be a better team and a more exciting team with bush in the backfield. maybe adrian peterson next yr. in the draft? unless they take another defensive lineman
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I was more embarrassed about the 30+ points we gave up in back to back games.. also didn't like the mention of Johnson gaining a chiefs record of 211 rushing yards at home last season.

what was it that Spencer Tillman said "7 adam 12 we have a 211 in progress"funny but embarrassing
 
Well I'm new to this board, I don't know why it took me so long to get in on it. Maybe if I'd acted sooner I could have shared my suffering for the past few years with the rest of you. Anyway, happy to be here.

Now as for Bush v. Mario and Wali...Bush's 45 yard run was pretty cool, and no matter how much I want him to be bust, I don't think he is going to be. I was surprised to read about Lundy's performance, although I would rather have read about how #37 was rushing for 60 yards. Unfortunately we don't get many texans games in California, and my cable provider cut NFL networK, so all I can do is catch highlights. Mario, I feel, will get better, and the Chiefs staying away from him proves that he is better as far as offenses are concerned. Once Mario gets more experience with the speed of the NFL, I think he will become a sack machine.

All in all, I am one very excited Texans Fan. A great start to what will hopefully be a great 2006 year.
 
I'm still interested in seeing Morency in this system. If he has changed his style, he could be a great back for us
 
It occurred to me while watching the KC game that maybe Reggie Bush would have difficulty conforming to the Kubiak 1-cut/ North and South type of offense. Almost every highlight reel that I have seen, shows Reggie running East and West to get outside of the containment for his big gains. Does anyone else wonder if maybe Kubiak decided in favor of Mario partly because he felt that Reggie would not/could not be convinced that this was the running style that was required within the new Texans offense? Just a thought.
 
not sure, but If our defense wasn't in worse shape than our offense... we take bush, but we had needs defensively worse than offense (FA p/u made sure of that)
 
infantrycak said:
Reggie only had 6 carries. That said, he averaged 3 ypc on his non-big play. Take out Lundy's big play and he averaged 4.25. Lundy will never be Bush, and Bush will never be a grinder.
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Very true. That's why Bush will not be put in a position to be an every-down back. Give him the ball over and over and over to pound it out on the line? Nope. That would put Bush in a role of power back. And that's what he's not good at. He best when plays breakdown and he has to create on the fly. He's also good at open field (pass) when he has space to run. There's really not a consistent way to predict this. And as a role or RB...that's the negative about Bush. The positive is that he's going to produce spectacular runs that show up on EPSN. The trolls will love this. But Texans have to deal with it until we get a championship. texanpride

He's more like a speedy TB/Receiver. Than a RB.
 
The Denver rushing attack with the zone blocking scheme is all about being patient as a back when you approach the point of attack and then making ONE cut and exploding back through the line. Once you make the cut, you go North and South period. They don't want hops, spins, jukes, etc. Make the cut and then haul ass until someone stops you.

When people see this, they say it is a slashing style of running. And while Reggie Bush has the speed to fit this style of rushing attack, he also is partial to bouncing the ball outside, re-direction, and jukes behind the line. All of those are no-nos in this scheme.

On Sirius NFL Radio, they miked Shanahan as he watched a running play during camp. His words were: "Patience, cut, explosion through!"

That's how they can turn a fairly pedestrian back into a massive producer.

All of that leads me to the question: If you can get good to great production from your RB position without having to spend a number one pick, then why don't you select a special player at a spot where you need help. The Seattle Seahawks were number one in QB pressures/sacks last year. The Pittsburgh Steelers were number three in the same category. This is not a coincidence. Indianapolis was one below Pittsburgh. In today's NFL, a great deal of your success is dictated by being able to get pressure on the QB. RB's are a dime a dozen. QB's and DE's are the really tough finds.

I have no qualms or second thoughts about what we did with the first pick. The Texans made a pick based upon who would be the best piece toward building long term success for the system we'll run.

Reggie Bush may be a super back, but I'll bet we have good to great production from our RB position under Kubiak for the forseeable future. If our D turns into a monster that eats QB's for breakfast, then I'll bet we are contending for championships. Williams was simply a piece towards completing a puzzle that ends in year in and year out success for the Texans. Reggie would have been a good piece, but maybe not the right one to fit the vision.

Go Texans
 
Historyhorn said:
When people see this, they say it is a slashing style of running. And while Reggie Bush has the speed to fit this style of rushing attack, he also is partial to bouncing the ball outside, re-direction, and jukes behind the line. All of those are no-nos in this scheme.
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Bingo!:cowboy1:

By the way, great analysis on RB types, offensive schemes and long term plans for Kubiac.
 
Aztequila said:
Well I'm new to this board, I don't know why it took me so long to get in on it. Maybe if I'd acted sooner I could have shared my suffering for the past few years with the rest of you. Anyway, happy to be here.

Now as for Bush v. Mario and Wali...Bush's 45 yard run was pretty cool, and no matter how much I want him to be bust, I don't think he is going to be. I was surprised to read about Lundy's performance, although I would rather have read about how #37 was rushing for 60 yards. Unfortunately we don't get many texans games in California, and my cable provider cut NFL networK, so all I can do is catch highlights. Mario, I feel, will get better, and the Chiefs staying away from him proves that he is better as far as offenses are concerned. Once Mario gets more experience with the speed of the NFL, I think he will become a sack machine.

All in all, I am one very excited Texans Fan. A great start to what will hopefully be a great 2006 year.
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Welcome and congrats on finally getting here! LOL
 
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