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Texan's Training Camp Report - Michael Smith

Some of us mentioned that he was coddled, treated with kid gloves, et al, and most of us were excoriated by the Carr crew. But, all in all, it's like a new life for Carr as far as I am concerned. It's like being born again. I for one, am going to basically start fresh in my evualtions of him, as if he was a rookie. Let's see what he can do this year, and we will go from there. Good article!
 
Porky said:
I for one, am going to basically start fresh in my evualtions of him, as if he was a rookie. Let's see what he can do this year, and we will go from there.
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I did that for the entire team. Maybe not the rookie part, but you get my drift.
 
Carr has almost everything he needs to succeed this year, although our offensive line and running back is a concern. But it's not a perfect world and he will need to prove to people that he can get it done. I don't expect us to be .500 this year, but I do expect great things from this new scheme as far as improvement. Carr needs to throw 20 TD's this year and have more TD's than INT to gain the respect of fans. He does that and we are in the playoffs next year.
 
SESupergenius said:
Carr has almost everything he needs to succeed this year, although our offensive line and running back is a concern.
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I know pass blocking is the cool thing to talk about, but I think our run blocking will be very good this year. That will be some help.
 
Nice read. An article about the Texans that actually gave us some insight. I can't wait to see what Peter King has to say about the Texans. I respect him the most out of any football writer.
 
highroller28 said:
Hardly endears me to Carr--to know that this guy was babied by Capers and Carr (he acknowledged that fact) let it happen for 4 years? What about having to look your teammates in the face or being professional and proactive in trying to improve? No surprise that this guy hasn't been embraced as a leader because a leader wouldn't have to be prodded to become a better player. Sound like Carr sandbagged his azz off because he knew that he could. Talk about a paycheck player...pfft.

If Smith's column does anything, it only galvanizes what I believe Carr is all about based on his performance thus far. This article is as incriminating as anything that has been said about Casserly or Capers' foolhearted belief in his BS "system" (what a misnomer).

**I'm putting on my snorkel for the countless homers on this board who will attempt to drown me in the same pro-Carr rhetoric you've heard for the last 3 years. Some of you are worse that Chicago Cubs fans.**
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Sit back and watch. And then grab a fork when we bring you a big plate of crow to eat in about two months.

If you knew as much about this topic as you proclaim, you'd know that Carr honored Capers and did what he was told to do...NOT lone-rangering his job at QB like so many characterless punks do these days. Carr didn't perform because he was one man up against a highly incapable coaching staff who, in my opinion, were worse at gameplanning than a 12-year-old on Madden '06...I swear, a 12-year-old who's been playing Madden could call better plays, and anticipate the other team's tendencies better than Capers and Fangio. Heck, Capers doesn't even get to install his own version of defense in Miami...he's been told to sit there and relay the calls, a very demeaning demotion for a guy who was head of our football program for four years.

You base your evaluation on Carr's "performance" when you never even mention or seem to recognize what Michael Smith of ESPN has recognized: "Every player realizes who poorly coached they were last year, and EVERY player (to a man) expresses supreme confidence in Kubiak even though they have yet to play a game."

Yeah, we're a bunch of homers....of course, if you had been around for the past few years on this board you would have seen lots of us who bashed Carr like you are.....only to come around at some point and realize that the entire team suffered under such incompetency the likes of which will be very easy to see when we roll onto the field soon.

Don't worry, at some point you'll see the light, too. Just takes some people longer than others. But go ahead and hold your grudge against the QB...he's always the one who gets the glory or the blame in football. It's always the QBs fault, isn't it?

Well, the whole team stunk and that's changing RAPIDLY. Take the time to read all the coverage and then mentally time warp yourself back to this time last year...try and make a mental image in your head of last year's practices vs. this year's practices. Heck, take a look at the rosters for that matter. That's enough all by itself.
 
SESupergenius said:
Carr has almost everything he needs to succeed this year, although our offensive line and running back is a concern. But it's not a perfect world and he will need to prove to people that he can get it done. I don't expect us to be .500 this year, but I do expect great things from this new scheme as far as improvement. Carr needs to throw 20 TD's this year and have more TD's than INT to gain the respect of fans. He does that and we are in the playoffs next year.
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I know I've predicted us to win the AFC South this year...... and a little bit of that is tongue and cheek..... but I honestly expect us to sweep the Jags(good D, but seriously overrated as a team), and the Titans....

Depending on how the Colts handle that thing with Peyton sending the kicking team off the field in the playoffs, they might be in a lot of turmoil. So I can see us winning at least one against them.

And as bad as we were last year, I think we stopped ourselves from scoring more than any other team did. I think we'll be better than okay in '06..... We still have our core....... at least three of our OLine is going to be starting, DD should be back, hopefully our full back, plus our run blocking will get him 5+ yards past the LOS before any one can touch him, and he can play all year.

Like Michael Smith said, Andre & Moulds gives Houston two #1 recievers, with Putz keeping the safeties honest, and DD & Cook being recieving threats out of the backfield...... to occupy the underneath coverage......

Man I'm really excited about '06...
 
highroller28 said:
Hardly endears me to Carr--to know that this guy was babied by Capers and Carr (he acknowledged that fact) let it happen for 4 years? What about having to look your teammates in the face or being professional and proactive in trying to improve? No surprise that this guy hasn't been embraced as a leader because a leader wouldn't have to be prodded to become a better player. Sound like Carr sandbagged his azz off because he knew that he could. Talk about a paycheck player...pfft.

If Smith's column does anything, it only galvanizes what I believe Carr is all about based on his performance thus far. This article is as incriminating as anything that has been said about Casserly or Capers' foolhearted belief in his BS "system" (what a misnomer).

**I'm putting on my snorkel for the countless homers on this board who will attempt to drown me in the same pro-Carr rhetoric you've heard for the last 3 years. Some of you are worse that Chicago Cubs fans.**
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He didn't sandbag anything, man.

That's what you WANT to see so that you can act as if you are diagnosing a problem that nobody else can see.

All the head coaching candidates said Carr is the man, and Kubiak definitely thinks he is the man. And a billionaire thinks he is the man. And you, with all of ONE post, who has absolutely no hand in NFL operations, sits there and rag the guy and then rag us for cheering our guy.

Wake up, man: He's the QB. If you want to see us succeed, you'll stop the "I'm smarter than you are" act and get on board with the very real fact that the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr. The two are inseparable.

Of course, I guess you can always root for him to fail so that he gets thrown off the team...and that's what puzzles me about the anti-Car crowd. They actually want us to lose and suffer so they can be proven right. And yet you say WE are stupid for rooting for his success, for believing in the guy.

Amazing.
 
Excellent article: It's about time someone in the national spotlight says something positive about our boys.
 
I have always liked David Carr and respected him but always thought the coaching staff was full of crap. Yeah they got us going but man last year they were predictable. I would sit at home and almost could call the same game because I knew what they were going to do and I can only imgaine the other team. I could even guess what the other team was going to do because they would do it over and over and we would keep falling for it. It is about time we have a coach and a staff that has guts and will get in everyone's face and tell them how it is. I don't like how Carr just didn't become a leader but all can be forgiven if he stands up this year and becomes a leader. I want to see some fire in him this year. Go Texans .500 in 06 would be nice. :whip:
 
highroller28 said:
Hardly endears me to Carr--to know that this guy was babied by Capers and Carr (he acknowledged that fact) let it happen for 4 years? What about having to look your teammates in the face or being professional and proactive in trying to improve? No surprise that this guy hasn't been embraced as a leader because a leader wouldn't have to be prodded to become a better player. Sound like Carr sandbagged his azz off because he knew that he could. Talk about a paycheck player...pfft.

If Smith's column does anything, it only galvanizes what I believe Carr is all about based on his performance thus far. This article is as incriminating as anything that has been said about Casserly or Capers' foolhearted belief in his BS "system" (what a misnomer).

**I'm putting on my snorkel for the countless homers on this board who will attempt to drown me in the same pro-Carr rhetoric you've heard for the last 3 years. Some of you are worse that Chicago Cubs fans.**
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you ever played a sport before (at a serious level)? If you had you would understand that there is a difference between working hard and working smart. I have no doubts that most players on the team physically worked their tails off. That doesn't necessarily make you any better at all. Carr's point is that, during the capers regime, there was no system to buy into, no real purpose in their efforts. They all wanted to be better but they didnt truly know how.

you are so far off base it's ridiculous.
 
thunderkyss said:
I know I've predicted us to win the AFC South this year...... and a little bit of that is tongue and cheek..... but I honestly expect us to sweep the Jags(good D, but seriously overrated as a team), and the Titans....

Depending on how the Colts handle that thing with Peyton sending the kicking team off the field in the playoffs, they might be in a lot of turmoil. So I can see us winning at least one against them.

And as bad as we were last year, I think we stopped ourselves from scoring more than any other team did. I think we'll be better than okay in '06..... We still have our core....... at least three of our OLine is going to be starting, DD should be back, hopefully our full back, plus our run blocking will get him 5+ yards past the LOS before any one can touch him, and he can play all year.

Like Michael Smith said, Andre & Moulds gives Houston two #1 recievers, with Putz keeping the safeties honest, and DD & Cook being recieving threats out of the backfield...... to occupy the underneath coverage......

Man I'm really excited about '06...
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I think this post is the best you've made since I've been reading this MB. Good job TK. Welcome to optimism.:whip: :bananasplit:
 
Great article by Smith. Wasn't he basically the only writer that wrote Mario Williams would be the best pick for the Texans?
 
TexMexVato said:
Great article by Smith. Wasn't he basically the only writer that wrote Mario Williams would be the best pick for the Texans?
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The best part is when he hulked up on "Around The Horn"

:mario:
 
HOU-TEX said:
I think this post is the best you've made since I've been reading this MB. Good job TK. Welcome to optimism.:whip: :bananasplit:
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No comment.
 
thunderkyss said:
I know I've predicted us to win the AFC South this year...... and a little bit of that is tongue and cheek..... but I honestly expect us to sweep the Jags(good D, but seriously overrated as a team), and the Titans....

Depending on how the Colts handle that thing with Peyton sending the kicking team off the field in the playoffs, they might be in a lot of turmoil. So I can see us winning at least one against them.

And as bad as we were last year, I think we stopped ourselves from scoring more than any other team did. I think we'll be better than okay in '06..... We still have our core....... at least three of our OLine is going to be starting, DD should be back, hopefully our full back, plus our run blocking will get him 5+ yards past the LOS before any one can touch him, and he can play all year.

Like Michael Smith said, Andre & Moulds gives Houston two #1 recievers, with Putz keeping the safeties honest, and DD & Cook being recieving threats out of the backfield...... to occupy the underneath coverage......

Man I'm really excited about '06...
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T-Kyss...you are right on...I am not as optimistic as Ibar and his 13 wins, but I really believe we can win 10-11 games. Heck...just throw out 2005 and look at what the roster was in 2004 when we won 7.


WE WILL BEAT INDY THIS YEAR...I think they will be ripe for the taking in week 2 which will put us starting off 2-0. When that happens...look out!!!
 
TexMexVato said:
Great article by Smith. Wasn't he basically the only writer that wrote Mario Williams would be the best pick for the Texans?
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Yes, I think he was the only writer to say Mario would be the best pick for Houston (at least the only one I saw). I read that article about a week before the draft and I was in total agreement, but at the time I figured there was no way we would pass on Bush. I for one am glad we did! :yahoo:
 
thunderkyss said:
I know I've predicted us to win the AFC South this year...... and a little bit of that is tongue and cheek..... but I honestly expect us to sweep the Jags(good D, but seriously overrated as a team), and the Titans....

Depending on how the Colts handle that thing with Peyton sending the kicking team off the field in the playoffs, they might be in a lot of turmoil. So I can see us winning at least one against them.

And as bad as we were last year, I think we stopped ourselves from scoring more than any other team did. I think we'll be better than okay in '06..... We still have our core....... at least three of our OLine is going to be starting, DD should be back, hopefully our full back, plus our run blocking will get him 5+ yards past the LOS before any one can touch him, and he can play all year.

Like Michael Smith said, Andre & Moulds gives Houston two #1 recievers, with Putz keeping the safeties honest, and DD & Cook being recieving threats out of the backfield...... to occupy the underneath coverage......

Man I'm really excited about '06...
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I am just as excited but I still have reservations over the defensive backs, linebackers and offensive lines, 3 areas of concern that we had last year. With the injuries piling up, it's going to only be tougher. The first preseason game is going to tell all.
 
"Wake up, man: He's the QB. If you want to see us succeed, you'll stop the "I'm smarter than you are" act and get on board with the very real fact that the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr. The two are inseparable"

This statement is so true...now, if you can just guarantee that 'success', we'll be all set!! Heck, we can for go the season and just 'wallow' in the 'inevitable.' I'm still trying to picture Johnny Unitas letting himself get 'coddled' for 4 years...
 
highroller28 said:
Hardly endears me to Carr--to know that this guy was babied by Capers and Carr (he acknowledged that fact) let it happen for 4 years? What about having to look your teammates in the face or being professional and proactive in trying to improve? No surprise that this guy hasn't been embraced as a leader because a leader wouldn't have to be prodded to become a better player. Sound like Carr sandbagged his azz off because he knew that he could. Talk about a paycheck player...pfft.

If Smith's column does anything, it only galvanizes what I believe Carr is all about based on his performance thus far. This article is as incriminating as anything that has been said about Casserly or Capers' foolhearted belief in his BS "system" (what a misnomer).

**I'm putting on my snorkel for the countless homers on this board who will attempt to drown me in the same pro-Carr rhetoric you've heard for the last 3 years. Some of you are worse that Chicago Cubs fans.**
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Im not gonna drown ya in logic :D.. im just gonna ignore you so i dont ever have to be unwillingly subjected to such a post again.
 
Like I've been saying all along this year on this site and around the world it's playoff bound... why not. Luv ya Blue did it and now it's the Luv ya Red, White, and Blue time. Right on can't wait and onward to about 10 games on the win list. :fans:
 
TexMexVato said:
Great article by Smith. Wasn't he basically the only writer that wrote Mario Williams would be the best pick for the Texans?
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Such a great point! Smith is the best writer ESPN has, this guy does his research, just look at how much effort and work he put into this article.
Tell me this...Where have you seen so much accurate detail about our team? Not in the national media ever.

I have seen his analysis turn out to be more true, more often than anyone else, the guy works hard and stays informed, we need more like him!

To all the posters who have been saying that "Carr was treated with kid gloves", etc. You guys were RIGHT ON! Good job on calling it like it was, I personally didn't know enough inside info to know better, but now I am plugged into this "pipeline".

After reading that, I have tons of faith Carr will be that vocal leader, being pushed hard and called out on mistakes will ONLY make him stronger. He has the character, he has gotten up 208 times before.

Look for Carr to blow it up this season, he gets a chance to prove himself all over again and being held accountable will have much more respect from his teamates. Why would Kubiak ride him so hard, say the things he has said, and stand behind him?

Get ready for a new era in Texan Football! Kubiak is building this team for the long haul.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
He didn't sandbag anything, man.

That's what you WANT to see so that you can act as if you are diagnosing a problem that nobody else can see.

All the head coaching candidates said Carr is the man, and Kubiak definitely thinks he is the man. And a billionaire thinks he is the man. And you, with all of ONE post, who has absolutely no hand in NFL operations, sits there and rag the guy and then rag us for cheering our guy.

Wake up, man: He's the QB. If you want to see us succeed, you'll stop the "I'm smarter than you are" act and get on board with the very real fact that the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr. The two are inseparable.

Of course, I guess you can always root for him to fail so that he gets thrown off the team...and that's what puzzles me about the anti-Car crowd. They actually want us to lose and suffer so they can be proven right. And yet you say WE are stupid for rooting for his success, for believing in the guy.

Amazing.
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Thats not true, and I can prove it. I would say a reasonable survey of this board would prove that Im sufficiently "anti-carr" enough to respond to this...but i do not, repeat, do NOT want him or us to fail to prove me right. I've said repeatedly i HOPE im wrong about everything i've said about him and he becomes great. I just flat out don't see it happening. I don't believe in him, and I have no confidence in him as a player......but im getting all of this out in the offseason. if he does well, i will be the first in line for my crow...but to imply that to be anti-carr is to be anti-texan is ridiculous.....we ALL want the same thing....texan's victories, where we disagree is in how to get there.
 
highroller28 said:
That is not what I "want" to see but I was commenting on Carr's makeup as a leader and his inability to lead his team because he failed to let the old regime in on the fact that the NFL isn't Pop Warner football.
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This is the biggest load of ............. I've read in quite sometime. Some of yall just sound rediculous, so not only is Carr supposed to be a elite player playing under a incompetent coaching staff, now he's to blame because he didn't tell Capers and Palmer how to do THEIR job. Carr coached us to a losing record, because he failed to teach Capers and Palmer the X's and O's of the game. Some of yall are the biggest hypocrites. The same person who posted this will probably blast a player for not being a "team guy" (I'm sure when Keyshawn wrote "give me the damn ball", he thought he was helping his team too), but then turns around and blasts a player for not challenging and speaking out against, or in this case, coaching his coaches.


P.S.........

and please will people get off of the LEADER tag, that is the most overrated thing on this board. Leaders are born with winning. Capers scheme prevents WINNING, There is no way Carr is going to become a LEADER of this team going 4-12, 5-11, 7-9, and a dismal 2-14

I went over this in another thread so I'll just post the link.

As far as us not going anywhere, "with Carr leading this team". Its funny how all the "great leaders", played on great teams.

Steve Young was a "Great Leader", that lead his team's to championship, funny how when he was with Tampa Bay, and surrounded with absolute crap he was a hack of a QB and was destined to be a career back up.

Its funny how when Bradshaw came into the league he struggled, but soon became a gritty leader about the same time his receivers developed and the team fielded quite possibly the greatest defensive team of a decade.

Its funny how a 6th round pick can come into the league and is now regarded as a great "leader" playing behind one of the best Olines, defenses, defensive guru of a coach, top flight O coordinator, and won two of his Superbowls with the right foot of his kicker.

Its funny how Bret Favre is considered a field General, but as soon as his Offensive line falls apart, as well as the talent level of the players around him, he no longer holds that title.
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http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=359656#post359656

I've heard of QBs getting to much blame and to much credit, but this takes it to a whole other level.

If we could do it all over again I wish we never drafted Carr, only because it is nearly impossible for a rookie QB to succeed on a expansion team. Expansion teams should pick up a vet to hold down the fort for about three years while the team builds an actual NFL caliber team, especially a NFL OLINE and then look for their Franchise QB.
 
Oh yeah....anybody the has ESPN insider, can you please give us a run down about what that article about Mario said.........thank you
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
He didn't sandbag anything, man.

Wake up, man: He's the QB. If you want to see us succeed, you'll stop the "I'm smarter than you are" act and get on board with the very real fact that the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr. The two are inseparable.

Amazing.
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So what does last years failure say about our QB??
 
ronaldod1 said:
you ever played a sport before (at a serious level)? If you had you would understand that there is a difference between working hard and working smart. I have no doubts that most players on the team physically worked their tails off. That doesn't necessarily make you any better at all. Carr's point is that, during the capers regime, there was no system to buy into, no real purpose in their efforts. They all wanted to be better but they didnt truly know how.

you are so far off base it's ridiculous.
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I need to fashion a tin foil hat.

It seems as though someone here has a device to read my thoughts.

It would be frightening to have a continuous transcriber of those things in my brain.

Honest and direct. Well said.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I think this post is the best you've made since I've been reading this MB. Good job TK. Welcome to optimism.:whip: :bananasplit:
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I'm very optomistic about the Texans in '06, and have been, since Kubiak came over....... players & coaches following him..... getting Sherman to help.... signing Weaver(big Tough run stopper, with a lot of years ahead of him)... and then geting Moulds, and other vets, with both age & experience, accolades and what not, for very reasonable contracts....

All this you have to pay to get players to want to come to Houston poppy-****.... if players think you'll put them in a position to win, provide them a stage to say what they want to say, prove their point, they'll come...

I'm also optomistic about what David Carr will do.... I agree he has all the tangibles..... and he's tough as nails....... he's got some good qualities, but he's been screwing up... he needs to change that.

People may think I'm wiered, but I'm also fans of Aaron Brooks, and Joey Harrington. IMHO, when I put David with that group, it's a compliment. I would like to see them succeed just as much as I'd like to see David succeed.. I think Aaron is the most Talented of the bunch, but I'll rag on him just as much as I do David....... Joey, I think he's got Moxie....... spunk..... he's fun to watch, and I'd love to see him win more. All three were put in bad situations........ Joey and Aaron both went to organizations that have no clue what it takes to be succesful. Brooks has had more talent than David has, but I think Haslette was worse than Capers ever could be.

two things upset me............ about this message board.

For the most part, the members are quick to replace Domanick Davis... Man's given up his body or this team, and he has produced more than any one person on the roster. He doesn't have breakaway speed...... a lot of successful backs didn't have breakaway speed..... He's got heart, and all the other intangibles that are hard to find.... when you got a guy like that, you work through his injuries, and do everything to make sure he understands he is your man, until he proves he can't be the man.

And David...... the :homer: 's around here are unbeleiveable...... sometimes I'm just fishing..... sometimes...... I'm being honest....
 
CajunTexan said:
T-Kyss...you are right on...I am not as optimistic as Ibar and his 13 wins, but I really believe we can win 10-11 games. Heck...just throw out 2005 and look at what the roster was in 2004 when we won 7.


WE WILL BEAT INDY THIS YEAR...I think they will be ripe for the taking in week 2 which will put us starting off 2-0. When that happens...look out!!!
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I'm also predicting 13 wins........

After Preseason, we may have more information that may force me to re-evaluate my position. But from my point of view......... right now, I think we'll have homefield advantage in the AFC Championship game.
 
SESupergenius said:
I am just as excited but I still have reservations over the defensive backs, linebackers and offensive lines, 3 areas of concern that we had last year. With the injuries piling up, it's going to only be tougher. The first preseason game is going to tell all.
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I feel really good about CC Brown, and GlennEarl... of Course Dunta, and with TJ and Mario causing havok up front, I think PBuc will probably lead our team in INTs....... with Faggins hurt(I think) and the thing with McKinzie.... we may be hurting at depth at thos positions....

But I'll live with that, since we now have so much depth at every other position.... we're stacked on the OLine, and the DLine. 7 & 8 man rotations......... wow.... we're deep at wide Recievers, RB.... we're going to have to let some really good prospects walk...... and how many tightends have we got?? JoPpru..... Putz..... Owens..... the kid who played in NFLE.......

Linebackers........ once again, with Payne, TJ, Robair, and Mario..... the phrase shooting ducks in a barrell comes to mind. Our linebackers are going to have a great year.

and offensive line is the least of my worries.... Talent on the OLine was never our problem...... With Kubiak and Sherman, we have nothing to worry about.... nothing at all.
 
swtbound07 said:
Thats not true, and I can prove it. I would say a reasonable survey of this board would prove that Im sufficiently "anti-carr" enough to respond to this...but i do not, repeat, do NOT want him or us to fail to prove me right. I've said repeatedly i HOPE im wrong about everything i've said about him and he becomes great. I just flat out don't see it happening. I don't believe in him, and I have no confidence in him as a player......but im getting all of this out in the offseason. if he does well, i will be the first in line for my crow...but to imply that to be anti-carr is to be anti-texan is ridiculous.....we ALL want the same thing....texan's victories, where we disagree is in how to get there.
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Count me in with swtbound07.... I'll criticize Carr, because the CLs..... make it fun.

but I want Carr to succeed soooooo badly......
 
Carr Bomb said:
Its funny how a 6th round pick can come into the league and is now regarded as a great "leader" playing behind one of the best Olines, defenses, defensive guru of a coach, top flight O coordinator, and won two of his Superbowls with the right foot of his kicker.
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And nobody cared about any of those guys, until Brady started winning with that team..... something they couldn't do with a bonafide ProBowlwer who led his team to the SuperBowl behind one of the greatest coaches of our time.

The year Brady took the Patriots to, and won the SuperBowl, he got sacked 41 times.... that great offensive line gave up like 50 sacks that year. Brady gave them something to believe in, something to play for.....
 
thunderkyss said:
And nobody cared about any of those guys, until Brady started winning with that team..... something they couldn't do with a bonafide ProBowlwer who led his team to the SuperBowl behind one of the greatest coaches of our time.

The year Brady took the Patriots to, and won the SuperBowl, he got sacked 41 times.... that great offensive line gave up like 50 sacks that year. Brady gave them something to believe in, something to play for.....
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You can sit here and say that nobody cared about "any of those guys", but that doesn't matter, "those guys" formed a complete team, which enabled a very good Tom Brady (I'm not taking anything from him) to win a championship.

It took a tuck rule and one of the clutchest kicks in the history of the NFL to send them to the Superbowl and another kick to win it.

Again, I'm not taking anything from Tom he made all the plays he had to, but he had a TEAM to back him up. That team was lead by their defense.

If you want to see the difference from a complete team and a team thats not complete, pull up Tom's stats from the 2001 season and pull up David's stats from 2004, their almost identical, one won the superbowl, the other went 7-9.

People say look at Tom Brady, do you honestly think Tom Brady would of lead the 2004 Texans to a superbowl victory.

Teams win, Teams win championships, Great teams have Great Leaders.

Name me a Great QB Leader playing on a crappy football team.

If Chris Simms' receiver would of caught that perfectly thrown pass for a touchdown in last years playoffs, we would be talking about how Simms LEAD them to a victory, but the receiver dropped the ball and nobody including the media talks about Simms.

Big Ben is considered a "BORN" Leader, it just happens he was drafted to the most complete football team.

Tom Brady is considered a natural "Born" leader, it just so happens he took over a complete football team at a time when all the right pieces fell in place.

Don't bring up Tom's sack stats, over the last 4 years Tom has been sacked 115 times, over the last 4 years David has been sacked 208 times.

again this is why I don't like to get into these discussions, I'm more than willing to let it play out of the field.

I have no problem if somebody has doubts about Carr, this is a message board everybody has their opinion, just bring some reasonable argument, not trash the guy because he didn't tell the coaches how to do their job (its not his job, place, or responsibility to do so) or put all the coaches faults and short commings strictly on Carr's shoulders.

This is a put up or shutup year for carr, if he can't cut it Kubiak will get someone who can. Thats one thing I've gotten out of Kubiak so far, he doesn't put up with any crap, if you can't cut it, you'll get cut, but he will work with you to make you the best player you can be, something that Carr has never had.

If you look at all the moves under Capers when has he ever supported Carr.

Look at some of the free agent moves


Most of them were defense, Capers side of the ball, but look at the ones on offense.

Mark Bruener TE (I beleive Capers tried to copy the Steelers and their power running game)

Todd Wade, He paid top dollar for a Tackle, just on the wrong side of the line (again in a attempt of his power running game)

Capers was content at having Bradford as a #2 receiver and content after giving up 50 sacks, bringing in LT Victor Riley (I can't even call that guy a LT with a straight face)

The biggest thing I got out of the article was Carr flat out wasn't coached.

This isn't the first time I have thought this, Carr has stated before that he loves that Kubiak is here so he has someone to talk to that actually knows the position.

Capers pretty much just said, Carr go out there and just run the plays we call, which is a reason why we were so predictable. Kubiak gives him multiple options. Under Capers, Carr was a extension of Capers. Under Kubiak he'll be able to run the offense with freedom. Remember the stats Carr put up calling his own plays, I don't think thats a coincidence
 
highroller28 said:
I hope you are right about eating crow because that would be a refreshing change from what I am basing my OPINION on. But keep clinging to that lifesaver of hope...

That is not what I "want" to see but I was commenting on Carr's makeup as a leader and his inability to lead his team because he failed to let the old regime in on the fact that the NFL isn't Pop Warner football. More importantly, it seems that you, not I, need an article by Michael Smith to feel better about Carr who, to date, has not lived up to expectations.

"Wake up, man: He's the QB. If you want to see us succeed, you'll stop the "I'm smarter than you are" act and get on board with the very real fact that the Texans' success is directly tied to the success of David Carr. The two are inseparable."

Interesting. It makes perfect sense that you and I are opposite sides of the coin with this one--the two are inseparable. This is why I believe the Texans cannot move forward with Carr at quarterback. But again, that is my opinion.

I don't profess to be "smarter" than anyone else, but I have more to base my opinion on than "because Michael Smith said so" and am not seeking affirmation from anyone. Sad to say it, but Carr's hair has made more news than his play on the field.

Blind faith is for religion, not Carr.
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Highroller28, you get my vote for best post in this thread so far. I feel the problem on this board is that we have the "mom and dad" type of fan. You understand? The "mom" always has a soft place in her heart for the kids, often feels her children can do no wrong. Then there is the "dad" the stern tough love kind of approach. Wants what is best for his children as well but not willing to give them a "pass" just because. I like Carr as a person, I really do. But, he has a bunch to prove before I can say he's the one. I'm just not willing to say that right now. My expectations for this year are very simple. Take it one game at a time. Be it 0 to 19 wins, just show me that you are ready to compete.
 
Carr Bomb said:
You can sit here and say that nobody cared about "any of those guys", but that doesn't matter, "those guys" formed a complete team, which enabled a very good Tom Brady (I'm not taking anything from him) to win a championship.
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So are you saying the Patriots would have won that SuperBowl if Bledsoe hadn't got hurt??

I really don't think so.... and when we talk about it, that's the difference that would make all those other....."nobodies" play like somebodies.. that is what happened in NewEngland.

Tom Brady gave those guys something to believe in...... somehow, he made them feel like they were better than what they had been until then.....

Ben did the same thing..... that team had pretty much reached their plateau...... they had peeked...... then Ben provided that spark...... inspired them to play harder, for 4 quarters.....
 
thunderkyss said:
So are you saying the Patriots would have won that SuperBowl if Bledsoe hadn't got hurt??

I really don't think so.... and when we talk about it, that's the difference that would make all those other....."nobodies" play like somebodies.. that is what happened in NewEngland.

Tom Brady gave those guys something to believe in...... somehow, he made them feel like they were better than what they had been until then.....

Ben did the same thing..... that team had pretty much reached their plateau...... they had peeked...... then Ben provided that spark...... inspired them to play harder, for 4 quarters.....
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Do you have any quotes or links for this or is this just your opinion?
 
These posts seem more like books...

We should wait until the pre-season to see how Carr leads the team and makes the calls before we can make an accurate judgement. I don't believe we have seen the real David Carr, just a student of a...well...unsuccessful regime.
 
thunderkyss said:
So are you saying the Patriots would have won that SuperBowl if Bledsoe hadn't got hurt??

I really don't think so.... and when we talk about it, that's the difference that would make all those other....."nobodies" play like somebodies.. that is what happened in NewEngland.

Tom Brady gave those guys something to believe in...... somehow, he made them feel like they were better than what they had been until then.....

Ben did the same thing..... that team had pretty much reached their plateau...... they had peeked...... then Ben provided that spark...... inspired them to play harder, for 4 quarters.....
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I'm not saying the Patriots would have won the Superbowl if bledsoe hadn't got hurt.

I'm saying all the right pieces fell into place

I could easily flip this on you and ask you do you think Tom would of won the Superbowl, without his steller defense and the right foot of his kicker.

"He gave them something to beleive in", just isn't true. Belichick gave them something to beleive in, he went in there installed his sytem and fielded a formidable defense, that had many emerging stars that year.

You do realize that defense held the greatest show on turf to only 3 points heading into the 4th quarter don't you. Tom's offense only had 17 on plenty of offensive possesions and great field position. They same defense that knocked the high powered Colts out of the playoffs year after year, (but what happened last year when their defense was shaky, the Colt blew the Pats out at their own home, where was Brady in that game.)

They won because of their defense and solid QB play, again the had a great team.

Also I think your giving Big Ben to much credit and the Steelers didn't reach a plateau and they didn't peak either. They had alot of young defensive players that came into their own, forming one of the league's best defenses. They had a solid receiving core in Ward and Randle El and the league's best power running game.

Ben and Tom didn't inspire their teamates to play harder, winning inspired them to play harder, having zero weaknesses allowed them to win. All the peices fell into place and with great coaching and players they formed solid teams (offense, defense, and special teams).

Tom and Ben made the plays they needed to make, but their teamates gave them the opportunity to make plays, it goes hand in hand. Winning cures all, winning creates leaders, and it takes solid all around teams, to win.

Look at Leftwich in Jax, those fans consider him a great leader, to me he's one of the most overrated QBs in the game, but has a great chance to win, because of his defense. Since he has a solid team to win with, he's a LEADER of men. Put that immobile, slow release, often injured guy behind our line and he's a bust.
 
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