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Training Camp Day 4

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Coach, AJ, Mork, anyone? TC is over now, and looking for a lot of info from day 4. Vinny or similar mod, please change title when a report is posted here, or delete it if another thread is started with a report in it. Thank you.
 
YTF, it was lunch time man give us a chance to get back. It was a good day to be a Texan.

OL- The OL played much better today, and gave me alot more confidence than I had yesterday. The first team handled business during 11on11. One thing of note is that Wand ran with the second team for a good part of the day today. It was more a light a fire under him than anything else. Spencer ran with the first and was strong, but made some rookie mistakes such as overextending and not setting his base quickly. Overall the line looked good. Winston was ok against the second team, but had no answer for Mario today.

WR/RB/TE- Moulds did not go this morning and neither did DD. Rest was the main reason and Domanick is just preserving those knees for the season dont want to have to drain them after every two practices, unfortunately he has only practiced 2 out of 8 right now so say what you will. AJ was on fire as usual and the rest of the core was solid. There were a couple of really nice grabs by AJ and D. Lewis. Putzier got into the act today with a nice grab over the middle to promptly get nailed by CC Brown. Taylor and Morency ran alot with the first team with Smith. Those three looked good. And Rhodes fumbled the ball again.

CB- Chris McKenzie was kinda the star of the show today, grabbing two picks one off of Carr while he was on AJ. It was a nice play. The secondary was aggressive today and made some nice picks. J. Walker is looking alot better the more reps he gets and that is a good thing since he is our biggest corner right now. If our secondary can be opportunistic like they were today consistently we will force some turnovers. They were making the offense pay for badly thrown balls.

Overall it was a good practice and the guys were sharp. The OLine really brought it today and they had a fire about them. That is all I can really go into right now, so Mork, Jerek, and I will get together later and give a little more love out to the board...
 
I'm taking a break from the reports for a while. Maybe when we get a little closer to the KC game...
 
Coach C. said:
YTF, it was lunch time man give us a chance to get back. It was a good day to be a Texan.

OL- The OL played much better today, and gave me alot more confidence than I had yesterday. The first team handled business during 11on11. One thing of note is that Wand ran with the second team for a good part of the day today. It was more a light a fire under him than anything else. Spencer ran with the first and was strong, but made some rookie mistakes such as overextending and not setting his base quickly. Overall the line looked good. Winston was ok against the second team, but had no answer for Mario today.

WR/RB/TE- Moulds did not go this morning and neither did DD. Rest was the main reason and Domanick is just preserving those knees for the season dont want to have to drain them after every two practices, unfortunately he has only practiced 2 out of 8 right now so say what you will. AJ was on fire as usual and the rest of the core was solid. There were a couple of really nice grabs by AJ and D. Lewis. Putzier got into the act today with a nice grab over the middle to promptly get nailed by CC Brown. Taylor and Morency ran alot with the first team with Smith. Those three looked good. And Rhodes fumbled the ball again.

CB- Chris McKenzie was kinda the star of the show today, grabbing two picks one off of Carr while he was on AJ. It was a nice play. The secondary was aggressive today and made some nice picks. J. Walker is looking alot better the more reps he gets and that is a good thing since he is our biggest corner right now. If our secondary can be opportunistic like they were today consistently we will force some turnovers. They were making the offense pay for badly thrown balls.

Overall it was a good practice and the guys were sharp. The OLine really brought it today and they had a fire about them. That is all I can really go into right now, so Mork, Jerek, and I will get together later and give a little more love out to the board...
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This is sounding promising. Glad to hear the O-Line stepped it up. I hope the DB's continue to look, we need them to be, given how thin we are in the secondary. Maybe we will be pleasantly suprised when the season rolls around. :homer:
 
aj. said:
I'm taking a break from the reports for a while. Maybe when we get a little closer to the KC game...
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AJ you may be onto something, it seems to me that some people are twisting words or arguing with what we see on the field like it is not true. That bothers me abit. I may be with you on this one, Mork, Jerek, and I will do our thing tonight, but it may be the last one till after the HOF game or so.
 
Coach C. said:
AJ you may be onto something, it seems to me that some people are twisting words or arguing with what we see on the field like it is not true. That bothers me abit. I may be with you on this one, Mork, Jerek, and I will do our thing tonight, but it may be the last one till after the HOF game or so.
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Come on Coach C - not everyone sees everything the same as you? People have the temerity to argue with you, and that's unacceptable? Others have been watching practices and hanging with the team too. Is there anything of value we might add to the boards that differs from your opinion?

Did you say what you meant to say?
 
I enjoy the argument, but when someone is on second team or for a fact has done this or that and they want to question it I have a problem. Runner you may add what you want, because I think we may know some of the same things. Wink Wink. By all means argue with me, because as a man I am not always right and according to my chick I never am so eventhough it is hard to be perfect I will continously strive to be excellent in my pursuit of perfection. Ya know.
 
Coach C. I feel you...It's one thing to disagree with perceptions, but it's another thing for someone to tell you that what you have seen is false...
 
Runner said:
Come on Coach C - not everyone sees everything the same as you? People have the temerity to argue with you, and that's unacceptable? Others have been watching practices and hanging with the team too. Is there anything of value we might add to the boards that differs from your opinion?

Did you say what you meant to say?
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll chip in. I enjoyed going to camp immensely despite the heat and have enjoyed reporting on/discussing what I saw there. There has been some misconstruing of my words specfically, but for the most part I have felt that people have taken things well and responded with their own observations. I've freely admitted that I don't see everything, and on a football field scattered with 70-some football players, I'm sure to miss things. I'll watch specific drills and watch for certain players but there is plenty of room for contention and additional observations to be voiced.

Like Coach C said though, some things are just more obvious than others, and it's a little irritating to be argued when it seems so apparent to myself. I don't mind questions or desire for clarification, and I certainly don't even mind people questioning my perception of a player's general attitude, but it's just a little offbase when Joe Q Fan who wasn't there wants to tell me that I'm full of it, when I'm standing ten feet away from Seth Wand as Jason Babin repeatedly shoves him into a permanent ass print on the ground.

But hey -- we're a message board, we're all Texans fans, and that's why we're here. FWIW to all of you I genuinely enjoy the discussion most times; it's why I'm here.
 
Coach C. said:
I enjoy the argument, but when someone is on second team or for a fact has done this or that and they want to question it I have a problem. Runner you may add what you want, because I think we may know some of the same things. Wink Wink. By all means argue with me, because as a man I am not always right and according to my chick I never am so eventhough it is hard to be perfect I will continously strive to be excellent in my pursuit of perfection. Ya know.
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dont sweat it coach my girl never thinks I am right either. Funny thing is I am right most of the time.:)
 
Coach , Jerek , AJ and Mork I read you guys before I read the paper FWIW . I just like different points of views and come up with trends .

The most important point is a lot of us share your enthusiasm and are thankful for your time

How is Kubiak doing as a Head Coach , does he seem content with his position ?
 
Coach C. said:
AJ you may be onto something...
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Actually my problem is the real job is demanding more of my time this week and maybe next.

As far as the other stuff -- I'm just trying to relay what I'm seeing and hearing (good and bad) to people who appreciate the info - and I know there are a lot of people who appreciate the info. I would be bothered if people didn't disagree with my opinion, because then I know they're not bothering to read what I sometimes take hours to prepare. That's when it's not worth it. I want to share opinions and observations and I want people to disagree - on merit - so we can all learn more about the team and the NFL in general.

If people think I'm making an astute observation - great... If people think I'm pulling stuff out of my ass - great. Credibility is a two-way street. I like the football debate/discussions/information here but there's nothing that's ever occurred on this message board that's caused me to lose any sleep or anything... except maybe when I'm writing VOF or other articles at 2:00 a.m.

The selfish thing I enjoy the most out of all this is meeting player's family members through email after one of my recaps on houstontexans.com (...been having a nice discussion with DaShon Polk's brother recently, as one example)...

Back to Day 4:
 
because as a man I am not always right and according to my chick I never am so eventhough it is hard to be perfect I will continously strive to be excellent in my pursuit of perfection. Ya know

:tease: Its amazing how I ever got around this big city of ours ... because after I got married I was always going the direction . Their seems to be a million ways for a guy to catch a catfish but only one way for ( you fill in the blank ).
 
Marshall'sLaw said:
So Jerek is Jason Babin looking better this year at DE? Has he put on some weight?
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Babin looks improved. I believe he has put on weight (as much as 10-15 lbs IIRC, but just looking at him, he looks bigger and more in shape) and he looks stronger and more aggressive. I love his move to DE as he will be more of a vertical rusher/run stopper here and less of a coverage guy. I'm still not extraordinarily high on him and I think his moves could use polish, but as of now he is still taking most of the first team snaps ahead of Peek (who will slot in mostly as a situational rusher, like Mathis with the Colts and I predict similarly successful) and I think Babin will surprise a lot of people this year if he continues to improve. He has looked good in 1-on-1s as well as the team drills.
 
Not taking much offense guys. Dont make this thread about us, fellas, just a slight annoyance sometimes. Talk about the Texans and what you think, also post your questions so we can know somewhat of what to answer also.
 
Any news on the Peek injury?? Was reading the reports and mentioned him going down and that they would report after x-rays?

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2690&section=N Latest News

And how was TJ looking?? After being callled out a number of times now and being told he has to loose some weight I'm anxious to see if he's gonna man-up.

Any news on Demeco? I hear my main man D-Wreck is playing almost every LB position out there - with Rainer going down its looking like Demeco may be cracking the starting lineup. As I was saying back after the draft - I think Demeco will be giving anyone stiff competion for RoY if he gets to start this year. I definitely see him becoming a future Pro-bowl type player.
 
What type of routes are we seeing AJ running? Which ones does he and Carr look comfortable? How is Carr looking under pressure, footwork in and around the pocket?
 
Coach C. said:
I enjoy the argument, but when someone is on second team or for a fact has done this or that and they want to question it I have a problem. Runner you may add what you want, because I think we may know some of the same things. Wink Wink. By all means argue with me, because as a man I am not always right and according to my chick I never am so eventhough it is hard to be perfect I will continously strive to be excellent in my pursuit of perfection. Ya know.
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Why aren't you all talking more about the QBs?...nothing today, very little yesterday...
 
Agree with the above. Kinda like AJ wrote in VoF, when the defense does really well, you wonder if the offense is realy messing up (or something like that). What's Carr looking like these days with the revised system - from what I saw on ch 13's hour long special, I was liking the nice passes on target (would they highlight anything else?) but then hearing of the picks today, it sparked a renewed wonder. Overall - how is Carr, Rosen., and all QB's looking?

Oh, and maybe it's just a few highlights given v. thought out viewpoints? I know the majority appreciate y'alls review, especially those unable to attend or out of towners. It's kinda like the Texans ticker report.... just some info / observation till we can ALL see on August 12th.
 
Coach C. said:
Not taking much offense guys. Dont make this thread about us, fellas, just a slight annoyance sometimes. Talk about the Texans and what you think, also post your questions so we can know somewhat of what to answer also.
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I hope ya'll reconsider about filling us in on TC daily practices. I look forward to coming to work and reading up on what happened at TC. IMO, it's better getting the info from a fans POV than anyone elses. Keep up the good work, it's very much appreciated.:yahoo:
 
Wonger- I may have forgot to post it on the first part, but J. Walker looked pretty good, if you know about corner technique I can explain it further if you PM me, because it can get wordy. But for the casual he is gets better the more reps he gets, he also has some of the best hands of our secondary.

U4- I cannot talk about any injuries, past that TJ is TJ was TJ starting to think will always be TJ. Demeco ran with the first team alot today at MLB so that was nice.

KT- AJ routes are generally outs, deep outs, and slant variations. There is always the post, corner and straight nines. The slant is between Carr and AJ is deadly right now and they are clicking nicely. When Moulds is out there with them Carr almost always completes the pass, unless our line forces him to get out of the pocket. Under pressure Carr is making the throws and seems to be falling in love with the tight ends when the pressure is on. His footwork is good, but Kubiak talks to him after every throw to kinda break certian tendencies that CBs will pick up on. Also, Carr only threw two picks I think, cant remember right now because I am rushing. Anyway anyone who has been out at practice even the fans from so far away should have been able to see the nice passes from Carr on 11on11 drills over the past couple of days.

TSIP- Will go into it later on...
 
From what I read on the practice reports, seems like David is doing fine and that AJ is running alot of slant routes which is basically giving him more of a chance this year to make runs after the catch, meanwhile Moulds is finding the holes in the zone (something I don't think any of our previous receivers were GOOD at) and then taking the ball to the house.
 
Coach C. said:
Wonger- I may have forgot to post it on the first part, but J. Walker looked pretty good, if you know about corner technique I can explain it further if you PM me, because it can get wordy. But for the casual he is gets better the more reps he gets, he also has some of the best hands of our secondary.
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Yes, there was a blurb. I couldn't care less about technique... I want to see some plays being made. The couple of days I was I out there he was jumping routes and making his presence known. It looks like we have to have him and/or McKenzie step up.

You guys are doing a great job. Thanks again for sharing.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Coach , Jerek , AJ and Mork I read you guys before I read the paper FWIW . I just like different points of views and come up with trends .
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I also wholeheartedly second what 34 says here, though I do tend to look at
the papers (electronic version) first to see if W has invaded anybody else
overnight.
The only poster I like better than you guys right now is "BullPinPhotos" with
our daily allotment of TC pictures.
By the way, where is that guy at with our 7-31 pics ?
Thanks to all who post with TC info, especially for those of us who can't attend the sessions in person !
 
Wonger just a thing on McKenzie if he was two or three inches taller the kid would be our starter. He is a D-Rob clone, but he is so small that it is just funny some time.
 
Coach C. said:
Under pressure Carr is making the throws and seems to be falling in love with the tight ends when the pressure is on. His footwork is good, but Kubiak talks to him after every throw to kinda break certian tendencies that CBs will pick up on.
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Not quite as fine as a Russian River Pinot from 2002, a plate of asiago, 10 year gouda, apples, grapes and some prosciutto overlooking the Pacific with hypnotic sirens bellowing in bass ala Barry White (also known as car radio on, windows and doors open). But I am digging it on Day 4.

Great stuff guys and get over the bs that you are wrongly and rightly feeling. You have been around here during the lean times and you are, at the moment, the link to that knowledge that keeps us here. Please help justify the time we put into this thing and give us our fix. Keep it coming. If you do not like someone's comment, great, move on. We would rather see you post your thoughts then see you have to debate your credibility. We are already starvin' like Marvin for a PM report.
 
Coach C. said:
Wonger just a thing on McKenzie if he was two or three inches taller the kid would be our starter. He is a D-Rob clone, but he is so small that it is just funny some time.
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So you're saying he's really 5'5" and not 5'8"?

It's sounds like we have a couple of undrafted gems in Walker and McKenzie. And you guys wanted to waste a draft pick on a corner.... :shades:
 
Will add my two pennies ...

Carr looks good right now. More comfortable and is dealing well for the most part with the pass rush he is already receiving. As previously noted, they seem to be incorporating a lot of designed playactions and rollouts to take advantage of Carr's mobility and protect against the sack. Numerous flashbacks of Jake Plummer with more speed and a better arm IMO. I saw a handful of plays in which Carr either (a) went with the dump off, which was completed and is fine, or (b) went to the run, but in both cases where I would have liked to see him try to buy more time and get a longer, open route for additional yardage. He looks improved though and for the most part appears to be responding well to the pressure and expectations. He has thrown a handful of beautiful deep routes that were dead on and as Coach mentioned, the slant to AJ is just sick. I haven't seen Moulds practice much and am anxious to see how they develop a chemistry. FWIW I have watched Moulds take Andre aside many times and they seem to be hanging on the sidelines; exciting stuff.

Rosenfels looks good but is clearly of reserve caliber. Not a very strong arm but he seems to make good decisions. His deep ball is really weak but inside of 15 yards he is pretty money.

Porter, IIRC, is ahead of Pickett in terms of depth chart and hasn't shown a lot either way, but he looked okay in a lot of the passing drills.

Pickett has received extremely limited reps in the major team drills and appears likely to be practice team fodder.

Again, I am noticing a general trend of (a) a lot of mixed routes; short, long, out and in, and a lot of plays incorporating a safety valve, and (b) 3+ eligible receivers on a lot of plays. A few screens and a lot of backfield routes. A lot of misdirection plays on the run. Makes you downright giddy, and cannot help but imagine how this will look on the field against Philly. No more run-run-pass, no more playing not to lose; that's for sure.

McKinzie in my limited observation has looked good; sticks to his man really well, but inevitably gives up catches to taller receivers. Hopefully he will succeed in becoming more physical, as his size almost inherently limits him to nickel and dime packages. Unfortunately I haven't seen much of Walker one way or the other; just haven't looked for him, and on Sunday I was usually watching the offense or line drills.
 
the wonger need food said:
So you're saying he's really 5'5" and not 5'8"?

It's sounds like we have a couple of undrafted gems in Walker and McKenzie. And you guys wanted to waste a draft pick on a corner.... :shades:
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DR is 5'10"
 
Coach C. said:
Not taking much offense guys. Dont make this thread about us, fellas, just a slight annoyance sometimes. Talk about the Texans and what you think, also post your questions so we can know somewhat of what to answer also.
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First, thanks a million Coach C, Jerek and others for taking the time to post your observations. Many of us are starving for anything "Texan" these days.

Regarding questions, here are mine:

(1) Have you seen us in 11 on 11 practicing against a "cover 2" and if so how do we look?

(2) What is Moulds doing so far and when he is not in there, who is lining up in the "2"?

(3) Sounds like Putzier is getting most of the TE reps with the 1st team, where is our boy BJ seeing action?

Thanks again guys...your terrific!!!

:redtowel:
 
Kub was just interview on 610...............He stated that Mario was looking great and that the intention was to use him liberally INSIDE AND OUTSIDE in order to create mismatches and confusion for the offense.
 
Hey guys, thanks for all the input. For those of us not in the Housto area this absolutely fantastic to get a fans viewpoint. I respect everyone's take on the actions but please do keep in mind that we all may not see the same things eye to eye. I always look forward to camp reports.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Not quite as fine as a Russian River Pinot from 2002, a plate of asiago, 10 year gouda, apples, grapes and some prosciutto overlooking the Pacific with hypnotic sirens bellowing in bass ala Barry White (also known as car radio on, windows and doors open). But I am digging it on Day 4.
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That was a little too much, man. :D
 
jerek said:
Will add my two pennies ...

Carr looks good right now. More comfortable and is dealing well for the most part with the pass rush he is already receiving. As previously noted, they seem to be incorporating a lot of designed playactions and rollouts to take advantage of Carr's mobility and protect against the sack. Numerous flashbacks of Jake Plummer with more speed and a better arm IMO. I saw a handful of plays in which Carr either (a) went with the dump off, which was completed and is fine, or (b) went to the run, but in both cases where I would have liked to see him try to buy more time and get a longer, open route for additional yardage. He looks improved though and for the most part appears to be responding well to the pressure and expectations. He has thrown a handful of beautiful deep routes that were dead on and as Coach mentioned, the slant to AJ is just sick. I haven't seen Moulds practice much and am anxious to see how they develop a chemistry. FWIW I have watched Moulds take Andre aside many times and they seem to be hanging on the sidelines; exciting stuff.

Rosenfels looks good but is clearly of reserve caliber. Not a very strong arm but he seems to make good decisions. His deep ball is really weak but inside of 15 yards he is pretty money.

Porter, IIRC, is ahead of Pickett in terms of depth chart and hasn't shown a lot either way, but he looked okay in a lot of the passing drills.

Pickett has received extremely limited reps in the major team drills and appears likely to be practice team fodder.

Again, I am noticing a general trend of (a) a lot of mixed routes; short, long, out and in, and a lot of plays incorporating a safety valve, and (b) 3+ eligible receivers on a lot of plays. A few screens and a lot of backfield routes. A lot of misdirection plays on the run. Makes you downright giddy, and cannot help but imagine how this will look on the field against Philly. No more run-run-pass, no more playing not to lose; that's for sure.

McKinzie in my limited observation has looked good; sticks to his man really well, but inevitably gives up catches to taller receivers. Hopefully he will succeed in becoming more physical, as his size almost inherently limits him to nickel and dime packages. Unfortunately I haven't seen much of Walker one way or the other; just haven't looked for him, and on Sunday I was usually watching the offense or line drills.
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By the beard of Zeus have we been given such fair gifts that not only one eye shall see, but many. A conduit to the road to redemption rather than the road to perdition if you will.

In other words, great stuff.
 
PowerfulDragon said:
That was a little too much, man. :D
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Planning and executing are two different rodeos my friend, frog or feline? If my Mr. Kitty saw how you were humiliating his fellow feline he would be extremely put out.
 
aj. said:
Actually my problem is the real job is demanding more of my time this week and maybe next.

As far as the other stuff -- I'm just trying to relay what I'm seeing and hearing (good and bad) to people who appreciate the info - and I know there are a lot of people who appreciate the info. I would be bothered if people didn't disagree with my opinion, because then I know they're not bothering to read what I sometimes take hours to prepare. That's when it's not worth it. I want to share opinions and observations and I want people to disagree - on merit - so we can all learn more about the team and the NFL in general.

If people think I'm making an astute observation - great... If people think I'm pulling stuff out of my ass - great. Credibility is a two-way street. I like the football debate/discussions/information here but there's nothing that's ever occurred on this message board that's caused me to lose any sleep or anything... except maybe when I'm writing VOF or other articles at 2:00 a.m.

The selfish thing I enjoy the most out of all this is meeting player's family members through email after one of my recaps on houstontexans.com (...been having a nice discussion with DaShon Polk's brother recently, as one example)...

Back to Day 4:
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AJ tell me how to find your voice of the fan article again. I've not found it since the new format. Also, if Wand is running the second team to get his attention, what does this guy need to wake up? I've always been a Wand fan but the above notes are worrisome. Wand should be kissing Kube's ring to still be on team.:twocents:
 
humbleone said:
First, thanks a million Coach C, Jerek and others for taking the time to post your observations. Many of us are starving for anything "Texan" these days.

Regarding questions, here are mine:

(1) Have you seen us in 11 on 11 practicing against a "cover 2" and if so how do we look?

(2) What is Moulds doing so far and when he is not in there, who is lining up in the "2"?

(3) Sounds like Putzier is getting most of the TE reps with the 1st team, where is our boy BJ seeing action?

Thanks again guys...your terrific!!!

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I haven't watched the defensive playcalling too closely. That said, generally speaking, we seem to be running a lot of different man zones. I haven't seen a lot of blitzing (or should I say, as much as I expected to see) to this point but then again, we may not need a lot of blitzing this year, given the way our D-line is shaping up. I haven't noticed a lot of Cover 2, but in general, against the zone, Carr seems to be going to a lot of routes underneath and across the middle. I definitely like the mixed look, however; the man zones have looked solid and again, our D-line (and the various LB blitz, when we send it) is absolutely punishing.

Moulds has looked good in very limited reps. Apparently he has having difficulty adjusting to the heat and hasn't been very active in the morning sessions. Watched him in the 1 on 1 WR drill: quick feet, very sharp routes, good hands, big and strong. Honestly, he is sort of a veteran, less athletic version of AJ. Pretty much what we expected and hoped for. Once he and Carr get a rhythm, he is going to be a vicious alternative to AJ. I've noticed Walters getting reps at the #2, with Lewis and Schifino getting a few tries. I am still surprised to see Derrick Armstrong get no love from the coaches; other than the fact that he still is just not fast.

I haven't noticed Joppru much either way but I haven't watched for him enough either. I did note one nice catch on his part. He looks confident and in shape. He's looked a little rusty routewise but he's been mixing reps with Daniels.
 
Meloy said:
AJ tell me how to find your voice of the fan article again. I've not found it since the new format. Also, if Wand is running the second team to get his attention, what does this guy need to wake up? I've always been a Wand fan but the above notes are worrisome. Wand should be kissing Kube's ring to still be on team.:twocents:
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Go to HOUSTONTEXANS.COM and click on new.............then look on the right side of the page for "VOICE OF THE FAN"..or just click here
 
Wow thanks a ton guys I love seeing what you have to say. All of us fans with limited Texans coverage really appreciate it :thumbup
 
Question. When I read about ints I am thinking 2 things. Either A, our defense is performing great or B, our offense is performing bad.

Of course it would be an endless battle as to figure that out because either one is performing bad on a play or one is performing good.

So the question to the guys that get to see the camps:

After 4 days, which unit (offense or defense) in your OPINION is performing better? Or is it at a middle ground?
 
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