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Training Camp: Day 3

jerek

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Some more personal observations from the sideline after attending the Sunday morning practice.

It's hot. Seriously. If you weren't there, I hope you were somewhere air conditioned. I was sweating in the shade. A lot of players continue to deal with dehydration/heat exhaustion.

Mario Williams was taking the entire O-line to school. In the one-on-one drills he was pretty much having his way with just about everyone. He looked really solid in the 7/7 11/11 drills as well. He seems very focused and is very much in learning mode, very hungry to be even better. Was great to see.

Seth Wand is struggling right now. He looks very unsure of himself, and was getting beat badly and repeatedly. Even Babin, who I do not think of as being that strong or possessing very good moves, got by him with ease on multiple reps. Sherman subbed him out of the first team multiple times. IIRC Spencer was taking some first team reps today at LT.

Moulds practiced but look like he was holding back; didn't take a lot of reps. The perks of being a veteran, I guess. He looks good though, pretty much what we expect and even hope he'll be; a strong, big, sufficiently fast receiver who runs good routes and has great hands. Teams will be hard pressed to double team AJ this year with Moulds on the opposite side.

Walter looks like a good 3rd WR. He's tall and got sure hands and will be good across the middle and on out routes.

Carr looks like he's doing well right now. They are running a lot of slant routes (Andre is going to slaughter the opposition with that this year) and short routes across the middle, including to Putzier. The playcalling still looks like an absolute 180 from last year; a lot of mixed formations and a lot of receiving options, lot of bootlegs and rollouts and PA's. I notice they are focusing a little more on shorter routes and in Carr making the quick, right read and getting rid of it; so far he is handling it well and still looks quite sharp.

Our O-line is getting absolutely dominated at this point. In fairness, I think our D-line is going to be a top-5 unit in the league this year; Weaver, Williams, and even Payne at DT and Babin/Peek at DE are going to make an amazing unit. As far as our O-line, it's way too early to hit the panic button; there are a lot of rookies getting reps and this is a unit that needs time to really play together and gel under their new coach. Just that FWIW (which IMO is not that much, at this point) they are struggling as a unit right now. Flanagan looked best in the 1/1 drills, and Wiegert looked alright as well.

N.D. Kalu caught my eye a couple times. He looked good in the 1/1 drills and got a lot of reps at, IIRC, at DT in second team. I still didn't catch DeMeco too much.

Robaire
and Peek were absent today. I've heard rumor that Robaire was simply being treated for heat exhaustion and will be back soon. D-Rob sat out (as did Davis) but D-Rob was walking with only a very slight limp; I think he'll be back pretty quickly.

Buchanon looked much better; he is being much more physical and aggressive. He made a very athletic INT while covering AJ and looks like he is gaining confidence. Hoke is working a lot with him.

Rosenfels looked pretty good in 11 on 11, what little I saw of him. Doesn't have much of an arm but is pretty accurate and seems to find the open guy.

C.C. Brown looked really good today. He was great in coverage and was tackling really well. There wasn't a lot of full-on tackling drills today but he was frequently in good position and getting a good wrap-up, hitting low and strong.

Chris Taylor fumbled once and had a droppped pass IIRC, but he still looks great with the ball in his hands. Seems decisive and very fast vertically.

I'll post more as I think to add it, but that's what's fresh on my mind for now. This is probably the last session I'll go to until next weekend, since I unfortunately work a 9-to-5 and am short on PTO right now. I'm sure AJ and possibly Coach C and anyone else who might have been there will have something to contribute as well, and I'll be happy to try to answer any questions.
 
Wali Rainer injured his left knee or ankle and had to be carted off at the start of 9 on 9's. He couldn't put any weight on it, and it didn't look good. Went down in a heap during pursuit on an off-tackle right. Stayed on the ground a long time and you could tell it wasn't good. Ticks me off since he was one of my favorites early in camp... a leader of the LB corps. Shows just how fragile the careers are of a NFL player. I'll consolidate my notes and put something up later.

It was the first time in full pads outside the bubble so hearing the 'pop' of the pads made it seem real and much more instense.

AJ is a man among boys out there.

Wand false starting on the second play of 11 on 11 was not good. Wand and Spencer were getting chewed on by Sherman a couple of times.

P Buc actually had a good practice for a change.. He had several tight coverages - some on AJ.

John Walker and Chris Taylor continue to impress.

Fans are not happy about this Field 2 and Field 3 stuff.

Good summary jerek, agree on a lot of it. The DL better be one of the best in the league because a) it's probably one of the highest paid units in the league, and b) I'm not real bullish on what's lining up behind them, especially in the secondary.
 
Maddict5 said:
excellent summary..how did tj do in the 1 on 1's

TJ looked like he was about to fall over dead ... don't know if he's just out of shape or dealing with the heat ... probably both. Today's heat was absolutely oppressive; hot and very humid. I didn't watch the second team as much, and that is who he was running the 1 on 1's with. In the 11 on 11 he worked mostly out of the second unit, but both Peek and Robaire were gone, so not sure where he would factor in if all were healthy.

The scuttlebutt that I was able to pick up on is that TJ is still struggling motivation wise and doesn't really have his head in the game at this point. I've heard this from multiple team sources and it was my general observation in just watching him today and yesterday. As far as critiquing his actual performance, the problem is, without tape review (which I don't have access to), I can really only pay attention to any one or two players at a time, and so I am paying attention to a particular group of them that I am specially interested in. FWIW I didn't notice him much one way or the other today, but I wasn't watching for him either.
 
Did anyone happen to notice if Dexter McCleon was there and if so how he did?

Thanks again for the training camp updates. I really appreciate it. :thumbup
 
TexanFan881 said:
Did anyone happen to notice if Dexter McCleon was there and if so how he did?

Thanks again for the training camp updates. I really appreciate it. :thumbup

Yes he was there. Wearing #20. Worked a lot of man against David Anderson and other backup WRs. Rusty as you might expect but he looks like he's stayed in shape at least while he's been on the sofa.
 
aj. said:
Fans are not happy about this Field 2 and Field 3 stuff.

one of the security guards said something to us about the field nearest the stands being torn up the day before so they wanted to let it recover .... I dunno, it looked pretty good to me ....
 
chuckm said:
one of the security guards said something to us about the field nearest the stands being torn up the day before so they wanted to let it recover .... I dunno, it looked pretty good to me ....

That's the official reason for musical fields; preservation of grass. I worked landscaping and that is a "legitimate" reason from standpoint of taking care of your facilities.
 
chuckm said:
one of the security guards said something to us about the field nearest the stands being torn up the day before so they wanted to let it recover .... I dunno, it looked pretty good to me ....

I heard that too. There's really no other explanation. They had most of the 9 on 9 and 11 on 11 (the fun stuff) on Field 1 Friday, then Field 2 Saturday, and Field 3 today. So it looks like they are just rotating through the fields. The goalpost on the 50 yard line of Field 1 was something I hadn't seen before. I talked to several people from the Texans who couldn't tell me why they were doing it that way this year, but grass preservation seems logical. It sucks a bit from a fan standpoint though.
 
hmmm what is up with TJ is he taking his medication or I wonder if he has changed medication?
 
Wow, what a hot day out there. Here's a few things I notced today:

Looking of the roster, we have to be the only team in the NFL with two guys named Wali.

Andre Johnson was fantastic again. He caught every pass thrown to him (that I saw) and beat his man almost every time. He looks poised for a great year.

Phillip buchanon looked really good today, he is playing alot more physical than I've ever seen.

Kubiak isn't afraid to call anyone out at any point in time. I clearly heard him yell across the field, "Owen Daniels, wake up son! Let's go!"

I think it was aj. who mentioned it yesterday, but this team is actually having fun while out there practicing. The LB's really get going when they split up into groups. There's alot more players encouraging each other and things of that nature going on. After the first team offense was sent off in the scrimmage, I heard Carr from 50 yards away, "Very nice guys, very nice" he then pointed out 89 and gave a, "Good job Jeb!" Carr is at least trying to be the vocal leader Kubiak is looking for.

Yea the whole rotating fields ordeal is a royal pain. But if what I think is right, is right then this is how it would line up.

Mon 1, Tue 2, Wed 3, THU 8/3 Field 1, FRI 8/4 Field 2, SAT 8/5 Field 3 Oh well, the bleachers are nice, but there's nothing like standing 15 yards away from Kubiak during 11 on 11 full scrimmages.
 
after one play during the 11-11, Sherman screamed at Wand "Seth make something happen"! Babin abused him at times in the 1-1 drills ....
 
chuckm said:
after one play during the 11-11, Sherman screamed at Wand "Seth make something happen"! Babin abused him at times in the 1-1 drills ....

I'm not feeling good about Wand right now. If he doesn't show something at LT this year, I don't think he ever will.
 
jerek said:
TJ looked like he was about to fall over dead ... don't know if he's just out of shape or dealing with the heat ... probably both. ..........

The scuttlebutt that I was able to pick up on is that TJ is still struggling motivation wise and doesn't really have his head in the game at this point. I've heard this from multiple team sources and it was my general observation in just watching him today and yesterday. .

Texans Chick are you reading this? How irresponsible....a fan said something negative about a football player. You're a lawyer. I think a defamation of character case is in order.




(sorry jerek, just a continuation of some fun on the same subject - different thread)
 
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.
 
Marcus said:
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.


TJ did not look like he wanted to be out there, IMO ....
 
Marcus said:
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.

Why would they do that? I mean why not wait, just in case he shows major improvement this training camp/preseason?
 
aj. said:
Texans Chick are you reading this? How irresponsible....a fan said something negative about a football player. You're a lawyer. I think a defamation of character case is in order.
Oh no ! And I was just starting to develope a favorable impression of TC
until you divulged that little tidbit of info about her.
 
Marcus said:
I'm starting to wonder if the two public 'calling outs' to TJ were really calling outs to the fans to prep them that TJ isn't going to make the team, and they have already informed him of this. Or, at least he's come to the conclusion that the team has given up on him, no matter what he does. Going through the motions . . is what I'm gathering from other people's observations . . and is now probably content with living the rest of his life on the signing bonus.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. Buffalo's Mike Williams from Texas comes to mind.

You're probably right.

He was so pumped to get picked by us, and then when the pageantry stopped...so did he.

He's one of those college players that looked good against college opponents, but appears that he knows he's severely outmatched at the NFL level. Or that he doesn't want to let his pride fall off and just work harder than he might have expected.

Regardless, the way he's flaming out is just disheartening. From what Texans Chick has said, he's been a great guy off the field. He made time for fans, etc., and I just wish he'd stick it out through this rough time in his life and shape up.
 
Jerek and I fortunately were not with the rest of the fans. AJ btw I saw you today, you were going to war on that pen in your mouth. You usually hang with the reporters I see. I am pretty sure that was you at least. Anyway I am not really adding much to this until later when Morknolle, Jerek, and I can collaborate on the overall scope of today's practices. Will say this, Taylor, Walker, and T. Williams looked good today eventhough they each started off very slow and got chewed out the first part of practice. T. Williams also made an incredible one handed interception that should have had the crowd cheering. Anyway hope to add a good bit later and will be on answering technique questions for awhile.
 
chuckm said:
Where the heck did you find shade?????

Was on the sidelines ... different pass than y'all had. Was hanging with Coach C. I don't know aj. but I am pretty sure he was out there as well.

As far as TJ still being here, I don't think anyone has told him he was cut. This is an NFL team we are talking about, and no coaches -- especially new ones who didn't draft the guy -- would waste their time coddling to a guy they had already decided to cut. I think they are honestly trying to work with him and improve his play. As of right now his chances for a starter spot are almost zero but if nothing else I think he'd stick around as second team/ST and practice squad. Not sure the cap ramifications of cutting him but that, given also that he is only a second year player, would indicate to me that they are willing to at least try to work with him still at this point.
 
Coach C. said:
You usually hang with the reporters I see. I am pretty sure that was you at least.

If I was chewing a pen in half, yeah, that was probably me.....I hang wherever they let me. There's a guy from Pro Football Weekly that I like to talk to whose been out there all weekend, and another media type from up in East Texas who knows Pettway and I spent some time talking to them this morning. I had a yellow wristband (guest - not media) so I could walk through the trainers area and other non-media areas but not hang out in there or talk to players during practice. I have to stay off the grass like the media. ;-)

Why didn't you stop and say hi? I was there long after practice listening to Sherman and Winston give interviews. And watch McKinney 'order' Winston to run back on the field and gather all the o-linemen's helmets and carry them back to the golf carts. Winston sounds like he is quite happy to be here to say the least.

John Walker is getting the good kind of attention from Hoke and Richard Smith... Chris Taylor can get around the edge just fine.

What have you heard on Rainer's knee/ankle? It didn't look good from where I was standing.
 
southtexan said:
Could anyone please tell me what "IIRC" means?
Yeah I've been wondering that too ST. Inquiring minds want to know.

The heat was brutal this morning. Hope everyone is understanding of the feild rotation. Grass issues, sucurity issues....yada yada yada. Would of been upset but knew we'd have the board updates to look forward to. Thanks guys from the bottom of my heart.

Don't wanna put words in her mouth...but thought TC was upset not about critisim but at how & who the critisim was directed at. The guy needs some luck. He's fighting for his rice bowl.

Nice meeting you Vinny.
 
I recognized you, but was not really in a position to talk to you at that point. Jerek and I were pretty busy thinking about lunch and what not. A coach of mine use to tell me when we stop yelling at you is when we no longer believe in you. So they just needed a fire lit. Taylor is doing some good things, but showed alot of rookie mistakes today, if he can study his blocking procedures he could challenge for an active roster spot this year.
 
Todays summary: HOT

We got that at about 8:15 and immediately made our way to find the best field view possible. Fortunately I was able to get as close to the majority of the players as possible for a fan. Once they finally abandoned the field closest to the fans, they allowed us to move up the track and watch all the players play their full contact Off vs. Def.

The defense looked tough, IMHO. Our line looks excellent. The only thing I am slightly worried about is the secondary, but we knew that that was a concern already. Carr was able to hit Andre extremely well except for one pass that went out of bounds near the fans.

The 1 on 1 drills was the most exciting for me. We watched as they shuffled CB vs. WR and switched out QBs. Andre is playing awesome. One player that surprised me was Jake Schifino #19. He showed excellent moves and was able to handle everything the QB core threw at him. I believe he has a good chance to make #4 WR if he continues to play like he has.

All in all it was good fun. I was so close to John McClain and Rick Smith that I could have started up a conversation (not that I would want to talk to John). I was surprised at how close some fans were to the field. Andre almost ran over us when he tried to grab that pass that was overthrown. Minutes before that happened, an attendant had warned not to get too close to the field and stay on the track. I responded "I would LOVE to get run over by Andre Johnson", jokingly. I almost got my chance.

Two tips... bring sunscreen and grab some water. If I had been out there for 30 minutes more I would have been cooked.

The only sig I got was Kris Brown while he was walking to Reliant Stadium.

P.S.- I witnessed a little something disturbing. I was watching the defense lineman do drills off the field, when I lost sight of Mario. With closer inspection I noticed that he was taking a leak in the corner of the practice field. :rolleyes:
 
threetoedpete said:
The guy [Travis Johnson] needs some luck. He's fighting for his rice bowl.
.

Travis Johnson has $5.92 million in guaranteed money in his contract which could probably buy a rice farm. Hell, with that kind of money, he could probably buy El Campo.
 
TexansLucky13 said:
P.S.- I witnessed a little something disturbing. I was watching the defense lineman do drills off the field, when I lost sight of Mario. With closer inspection I noticed that he was taking a leak in the corner of the practice field. :rolleyes:

That's pretty funny. I guess that shows dedication; you don't want to waste a second of practice by finding a restroom do you? :)
 
aj. said:
Texans Chick are you reading this? How irresponsible....a fan said something negative about a football player.

He said what he was basing his observation on. Scuttlebutt he heard from team sources and his observations. I can take it FWIW.
 
nunusguy said:
Oh no ! And I was just starting to develope a favorable impression of TC
until you divulged that little tidbit of info about her.


This is why it is usually a mistake to divulge personal information on the internet.

People end up judging you by stereotypes and their prejudices and have opportunities to make ad hominem attacks.

It just is what it is.
 
First off I just wanted to say thanks to all of you that dedicate your time to feed the info hungry fans such as myself. I’ve been checking out all the detailed reports since Friday and find them to be priceless, especially since I’m secluded north of Dallas, far from H-Town. Anyway I’m prepared to take advantage of this situation and hope those of you attending training camp might humor me.

My main concern is the offensive line and I understand they are having trouble with our new look D-Line. Hopefully things start to look better and maybe our defensive line is actually that good. But I’m very curious on the two tackles we signed this month, Spencer and Winston. I know Spencer is a freaken monster but how are the young bucks developing? Is there any chance one or both of them might fight their way to 1st team?
:trophy:
 
Texans_Chick said:
He said what he was basing his observation on. Scuttlebutt he heard from team sources and his observations. I can take it FWIW.

Is scuttlebut more reliable than blather?
(that would be an attempt at humor. please no need to respond)

Most - if not all - of what I hear on the sidelines I don't repeat here, but it does help in forming my opinions. That and what I observe directly - which is all I was so unsuccessfully trying to communicate. I could have said on Friday that a Texans employee told me that TJ was a fat, lazy, slob. Would that have made my opinion that day any more credible?

Most of what I see, read, hear (on the sidelines and other places), I store away for later use, or sometimes not. If over time something matches, I use it. If it doesn't, I discard it. I don't take a peice of random gossip and run with it as gospel, nor do I make **** up.

I'm done with this btw. Please all return to worthwhile football talk - or blather or specualation or whatever you want to call it.
 
WWX said:
My main concern is the offensive line and I understand they are having trouble with our new look D-Line. Hopefully things start to look better and maybe our defensive line is actually that good.

IMO don't worry, the line will come together - that is what camp is for.

WWX said:
But I’m very curious on the two tackles we signed this month, Spencer and Winston. I know Spencer is a freaken monster but how are the young bucks developing? Is there any chance one or both of them might fight their way to 1st team?

Depends on who you ask - opinions vary. Some would say they are virtual starters right now, the coaches just don't know it or haven't announced it yet. Others think they need some seasoning first since they are third round tackles with strengths AND weaknesses.

There is always the chance one or both make the starting line-up for the first game, but that leaves a question. Are they starting because they are ready, or because we have major problems?
 
I think that TC is just protecting team interest . I can't even think about TJ being bust after trading down ( unless Winston becomes a player ) and passing on DJ .
 
I want to thank all you guys for your input and camp updates on the texans i almost feel like im actual in the city but unfortunately stuck in cinci....thanks again.:ok:
 
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