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Allow me to preface this by saying that I am a huge Reggie Bush fan as a football player. My screams and expletives could be heard far and wide when I found out that we would not be selecting him with the first pick in the draft. That said, I have bought into the idea and now firmly believe that Mario will have a HUGE impact on our team. Knowing that he is signed and ready to go (toenails all healed I hope) will allow the Texans to focus on the monumental task ahead of them without the media distractions of signing their first pick. Which brings me back to Reggie Bush and the Saints. The following report says it all...

Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.
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Just imagine if the Texans were in the Saints position right now. I know many have chosen, like me, to put the Reggie issue behind them and have moved on, but I think we can all feel a little better about the move given the above developments.

mario. mariO. maRIO! MARIO! MARIO!!! :redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:
 
I think he will sign with the Saints before the season starts. yet if true, my perception of Bush has changed... In front of the camera, he seems like a humble guy (of course I haven't really followed everything that has gone with him).

if true and the Saints can't sign him.. I guess they could trade the rights to him to a team?

and if true that Bush goes back into the draft and as much as I hate the Sooners as a team, I would hope Adrian Peterson has a monster year (while the team loses) and if he declaired becomes the 1st RB taken in the draft and Bush would lose more money :heh:
 
I thought you couldnt go back to the NCAA after signing an agent. Theres no way hes thinking about sitting out of football for a year. He already got picked 2nd. He wouldnt get picked #1 next year if he sits out a year.
 
tamu texan said:
Allow me to preface this by saying that I am a huge Reggie Bush fan as a football player. My screams and expletives could be heard far and wide when I found out that we would not be selecting him with the first pick in the draft. That said, I have bought into the idea and now firmly believe that Mario will have a HUGE impact on our team. Knowing that he is signed and ready to go (toenails all healed I hope) will allow the Texans to focus on the monumental task ahead of them without the media distractions of signing their first pick. Which brings me back to Reggie Bush and the Saints. The following report says it all...

Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.
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Just imagine if the Texans were in the Saints position right now. I know many have chosen, like me, to put the Reggie issue behind them and have moved on, but I think we can all feel a little better about the move given the above developments.

mario. mariO. maRIO! MARIO! MARIO!!! :redtowel: :redtowel: :redtowel:
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If Bush sits out the year, his value will plummet. I think he knows that and will eventually sign. He'd be lucky to be a second-rounder.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I thought you couldnt go back to the NCAA after signing an agent. Theres no way hes thinking about sitting out of football for a year. He already got picked 2nd. He wouldnt get picked #1 next year if he sits out a year.
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Correct, his NCAA days are over, but he could hold out the whole year and sit out of football (like Mike Williams and Maurice Clarett did) and go back into the draft next year, and you are also right that he wouldn't be picked #1 after sitting out a year. He would be absolutely foolish to turn down playing football this year, that will also cost him a lot of money in possible endorsements if he's not on the field, and will cost a pretty big hit to his public image.
 
You know what would be very amusing? If he did sit out the season and re-enter the draft in 2007. Then, based on a year of rust and teams having a whole new draft class to pick from he falls a bit in the draft and the Texans still end up getting Reggie Bush.

That would be some funny stuff IMO.

Seriously though he's not going to do this. He's going to hold out for as much money as he can get and then he's going to sign and have a less than stellar rookie season because he missed a bunch of training camp.

The other thing that's silly is the idea that nobody has "ever" had as much leverage as Reggie Bush. That's just plain wrong. John Elway had far more leverage than Bush since he could just go play baseball if he'd wanted.
 
carter08 said:
He can go play in the CFL like ricky
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That $60K he would make in the CFL would be about as funny as Latrell Sprewell tuning down $21M over three years and then sitting out the season because nobody would offer him more than couple million or so. Funny joke.
 
Runner said:
That $60K he would make in the CFL would be about as funny as Latrell Sprewell tuning down $21M over three years and then sitting out the season because nobody would offer him more than couple million or so. Funny joke.
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Latrell had a "family to feed." Bush doesn't. Big difference.

:sarcasm:
 
I think he will wind up signing (late but in camp) and that this is posturing by his negotiation staff. However, it does give a clearer picture of who and what he is all about. Says one thing on camera and does the total oposite off camera. If he sets out a year, he will be lucky to be drafted in the top 5 as he will be old news and to have been proven to be a yutz.
 
It's funny that the top three people to avoid on Fantasy Football so far have been Ricky Williams, Ben Roethlisberger and Reggie Bush. :hmmm:
 
Well my perception of him would not change if he sat out all year and entered next years draft. This is a business and is going to be his livelihood. Lets say you had $5M in you pocket, would you go to work for a bottom of the barrel organization or sit on your $5M for a year and wait for a better offer?

No he doesnt have a family to feed, but he has rent/mortgage to pay. LoL.
 
I've always felt that Bush was waaaay over rated. I like Whites running abilities much better than I even liked Bush's' abilities. Even so I hope the Saints drop him altogether. I Don't feel that ANY player from ANY schoolis worth that kind of scratch.
 
Bush must be messed up in the head. He has no leverage in this, the Saint's already have two backs who are capable of starting and 2 or 3 good WR's, it's not like it would devastate the Saint's even if he did sit out the season, which he probably won't anyway.
 
I would think if he becomes unsignable, the saints would trade him off. But this is what the Texans said about him, that he was unsignable and so we got Mario.

My best guess is that the Carolina Panthers are the ones that will get the last laugh when they got De'Angelo Williams out of Memphis. He will be a stud runner in the NFL if my guess is correct...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
My best guess is that the Carolina Panthers are the ones that will get the last laugh when they got De'Angelo Williams out of Memphis. He will be a stud runner in the NFL if my guess is correct...
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I think so too, Panthers got a better pick than most think. De'Angelo may be up there w/ a Rookie of the Year award at the end of this season.

So, if Bush goes back into the draft next year, do the Saints get any compensation for their pick?
 
AtheGreat said:
So, if Bush goes back into the draft next year, do the Saints get any compensation for their pick?
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Not 1 single thing. A total lost cause..

That is why I think they would trade his rights away before losing out on everything...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I would think if he becomes unsignable, the saints would trade him off. But this is what the Texans said about him, that he was unsignable and so we got Mario.

My best guess is that the Carolina Panthers are the ones that will get the last laugh when they got De'Angelo Williams out of Memphis. He will be a stud runner in the NFL if my guess is correct...
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The Texans never said that. They chose Mario because he was the player they wanted more.
 
They had reached a basic agreement with both players but decided to advance negotiations with Mario Williams because he is the player that we wanted (wheter or not it was a good choice)
 
TexanFan881 said:
They had reached a basic agreement with both players but decided to advance negotiations with Mario Williams because he is the player that we wanted (wheter or not it was a good choice)
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Right.... this thing with Reggie is interesting(to say the least) but it really doesn't mean anything to us...... Sure, he's holding out with the Saints, but we would have had him signed before the Draft.

What does turn me off, it that:

1) he wants more than Mario.......
2) Saints fans(not all of them) are saying, "Just give it to him, he's worth it"
 
Reggie is planning on not signing in 2006 so can go back into 2007 draft, now who is sad we didn't draft Reggie Bush


Saints | Bush contemplating not signing?
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:34 -0700

Jason Cole, of Yahoo Sports, reports there has been some talk of New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush not signing in time for training camp. Now, a league source said Bush is toying with the idea of sitting out the entire season and going back in the NFL Draft in 2007 if he doesn't get his price. "No player has ever had the kind of leverage that Reggie Bush has right now," the source said. "The Saints made it clear what they were willing to do before and now we'll see if they're going to get there." Two sources said that talks between the Saints and agent Joel Segal have been nearly non-existent. Wednesday, July 19, Mike Ornstein, who is Bush's marketing agent, told the Clarion-Ledger of Jackson, Miss., that he didn't think Bush would be signed in time for camp. Ornstein is not allowed to negotiate contracts, but he is acutely aware of all of Bush's business matters. Bush supposedly has more than $5 million in the bank from multiple endorsement deals Ornstein has negotiated since Bush left the University of Southern California. Bush could probably sit out 2006 and still be a high pick next year.
 
Like I said in the other thread with this same thing in it (I'm sure it will be merged) I don't think this changes our outlook on who we picked. We would've reached a contract with either. I think looking at this as an excuse to make the Mario Williams pick look better is just showing how much we all really knew how stupid the pick was. I do like Mario though and it's not his fault our front office screwed up.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Like I said in the other thread with this same thing in it (I'm sure it will be merged) I don't think this changes our outlook on who we picked. We would've reached a contract with either. I think looking at this as an excuse to make the Mario Williams pick look better is just showing how much we all really knew how stupid the pick was. I do like Mario though and it's not his fault our front office screwed up.
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Call me crazy guy but the headline could be Texans, if as you so eloquently put it "our front office messed up". Bush had no intention of signing a contract UNLESS he got what he wanted, Texans had no intention of being USED by him and his lackeys. Maybe passing on a guy who made 2 practices and missed rest with a "purported" hamstring injury who wants to be highest paid part-time player in history of NFL.

Guess we can count on your Mario is best pick EVER comment when Reggie doesn't play and Mario makes sacks
 
Guess we can count on your Mario is best pick EVER comment when Reggie doesn't play and Mario makes sacks
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I hope the Mario pick does work out, I really do. Just with all the talent that Reggie has I just don't see how that's going to work.

Call me crazy guy but the headline could be Texans, if as you so eloquently put it "our front office messed up". Bush had no intention of signing a contract UNLESS he got what he wanted, Texans had no intention of being USED by him and his lackeys. Maybe passing on a guy who made 2 practices and missed rest with a "purported" hamstring injury who wants to be highest paid part-time player in history of NFL.
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And we could have given him what he wanted. Before we narrowed it down to Williams that wednesday, we had reached an initial agreement with both players on a $26 Million guaranteed, and we decided to cut the throat on the Reggie Bush negotiations and work to put a contract together with Mario Williams so that he would be signed by Friday night.
 
Wether Mario was the right or wrong pick, I just hope he makes enough of a difference so that I don't have to groan every time the defense takes the field. In fact, we may actually get back to when the defense was fun to watch, even when they didn't out score the offense! :drool:
 
To be perfectly honest, I'm completely dissapointed in Reggie Bush, I thought that he would be going forth with his NFL while maintaining good merit but that doesnt seem to be the case.. I really did respect Reggie Bush but the whole jersey situation, his "injury" and now this update.. I'm really starting to see a different side of Reggie Bush and it hurts me to my very soul..

I was satisfied with the Mario Williams pick in this year's draft but now I'm happy about it cause no matter how good a player is you have to deal with the baggage that comes along with him.. Mario is not only a beast on the field but he is a Texan at heart and I'm glad to have him in my city..
 
TexansSeminole said:
I thought you couldnt go back to the NCAA after signing an agent. Theres no way hes thinking about sitting out of football for a year. He already got picked 2nd. He wouldnt get picked #1 next year if he sits out a year.
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with an agent you can't go back into NCAA, but he if unsigned by Saints can opt to sit out a season, that is how we got Dallas' 3rd rounder. We selected Drew Henson and had we not signed him, he would have been eligible to go back into draft. what prompted Henson to sign was fact that he could choose where he ended up, if Reggie sits out and goes back in he will end up being picked by one of 3 lowest teams in NFL AND because of his stunt he will need to be signed BEFORE draft or most teams will leave him until his value is more than they will have to pay for him.:yahoo:
 
I guess that talk about Casserly saying that Bush would agree to the same amount as Mario is bullcrap (at least, that's what he said on 790).

Bush would be completely stupid to sit out a year. His name isn't going to be anywhere as big as it is now this time next year. He had an electrifying season at USC, but if he re-enters the draft in 2007, there will be questions. Has he stayed in shape? How will he play in an actual game after not playing in one over a year. If Bush doesn't sign this season, I would think he would drop out of the top five in 2007 and make even less. It will be like the Mike Williams situation over again. And if Bush does sign after or during training camp, he should look at what happened to Cedric Benson last year with the Bears. If Bush does sign with the Saints, and his deal is worth even more than Mario Williams', it may set a dangerous precedent though in the drafts to come. Players and agents may be thinking "Hey, even if I'm a lower draft pick, I can still make more than that guy".
 
You guys are really reading too far into this. First of all, it NEVER once said Reggie was planning on skipping this season. A "league source" claimes he is toying with the concept, which I read more as his agent toying with the idea. Reggie has made it VERY clear all along that he's happy to be in NO and has every intention and desire to be in training camp on time.

It's the agents job to get the deal done; Bush's agent blew the #1 pick opportunity, and if anything happens, this will fall on him. Reggie wants to be there...NO knew they would need to pay premium $$$, so I dont in any scenario see this turning into a holdout like that.

Mario was a great pick. A better pick? Not neccesarily.
 
Ironist said:
You guys are really reading too far into this. First of all, it NEVER once said Reggie was planning on skipping this season. A "league source" claimes he is toying with the concept, which I read more as his agent toying with the idea. Reggie has made it VERY clear all along that he's happy to be in NO and has every intention and desire to be in training camp on time.

It's the agents job to get the deal done; Bush's agent blew the #1 pick opportunity, and if anything happens, this will fall on him. Reggie wants to be there...NO knew they would need to pay premium $$$, so I dont in any scenario see this turning into a holdout like that.

Mario was a great pick. A better pick? Not neccesarily.
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I think mario was a better fit for us we already have a RB that can get you 1,000 yards and we really needed to have that Big Defensive End that QBs are scared of. Bush doesnt have every intention and desire to be in training camp on time because he would have been signed and ready to go to training camp by now. I think Bush isnt to Happy to be in NO just look at the pictures of him when he is getting drafted and the saints tom benson is one of the worst owners in the nfl.
 
As I've said before, the "Reggie Bush is a class act" mask is starting to erode away and we're starting to see him for who he truly is. If football was important to him and he knew he was that talented, he'd sign for the high contract he's being offered and wait for that bigger paycheck to cash in when his contract runs out.


And I agree with the sentiment that this shows we should have taken Mario. Sure, we could have signed him now. But he's now showing that if he plays well enough, he's not going to play for you unless he gets what he wants. And that could have meant us having to lose A.J. or D.R. in the future due to his greed...
 
TexanFan881 said:
And we could have given him what he wanted. Before we narrowed it down to Williams that wednesday, we had reached an initial agreement with both players on a $26 Million guaranteed, and we decided to cut the throat on the Reggie Bush negotiations and work to put a contract together with Mario Williams so that he would be signed by Friday night.
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I guess you missed news were Reggie's people said draft us FIRST, then we will sign a contact, if they had deal they wanted (which I doubt) then why not sign BEFORE draft.

So far only talent I have seen Reggie show, is talking out both sides of his mouth. Avoid workouts anmd use someone else's money (endorsers) to buy publicity. IF ONLY NFL had 32 RBs like him, we would have Arena League :bananasplit:
 
BigDTexansFan said:
signed BEFORE draft or most teams will leave him until his value is more than they will have to pay for him.:yahoo:
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Only the first pick of the draft can be signed before the draft.
 
Ironist said:
You guys are really reading too far into this. First of all, it NEVER once said Reggie was planning on skipping this season. A "league source" claimes he is toying with the concept, which I read more as his agent toying with the idea. Reggie has made it VERY clear all along that he's happy to be in NO and has every intention and desire to be in training camp on time.

It's the agents job to get the deal done; Bush's agent blew the #1 pick opportunity, and if anything happens, this will fall on him. Reggie wants to be there...NO knew they would need to pay premium $$$, so I dont in any scenario see this turning into a holdout like that.

Mario was a great pick. A better pick? Not neccesarily.
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Nice Post.
Not saying it won't happen. However, the owners are what they are. These guys didn't get to owning a premiere US property by being good guys. They are shrewd bussiness people.
"The League " was a very good book from the eitghties that gives an overall feel for the owners. Obviously, most of the guys from that era are gone. "League sources" I read as "agent". No matter what was said at the time of the draft, Benson is going to hold for the best deal he can get. Reggie is under pressure to get in and learn to block. Benson is under pressure to get him in to help the city's healing process. Like the mongoose and the Cobra someone is gonna get ate. Both sides don't want to loose face. The owners like to squeeze the players into a narrow window. I.E. waiting two weeks untill camp befor begining negotiations. Bush wants #1 money. And by all accounts and pundits, he deserves this. The one in the cat birds seat is Vincent, either way it goes down...IMHO, if he dosen't blink, he stands to get a better contract than Mario. Gonna be fun.
 
LCROD said:
Only the first pick of the draft can be signed before the draft.
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Actually, that's not entirely true. If the first pick signs prior to the draft, the team holding the #2 selection, can enter negiotions with whatever player(s) they wish, and can potenially sign him. If the #2 pick signed, the team holding pick #3 could enter negiotions, and so on. Having said that, to my knowledge, it hasn't happened.
 
didnt Bo Jackson do that to the T.B. Buccaneers, he sat out that year then got drafted the next by the Raiders?
 
My question is: if he did sit out (which I don't think he will - at least not the entire season) - how does this impact his endorsement deals? I can imagine that these companies would be quite peeved if he's not in an NFL uniform this season.
 
if this is how reggie bush is going to help out new orleans i think they would be better off with another hurricane coming...this guy is seriously about nothing other than money...his marketing agent probably told him that he won't get as many endorsement deals being in NO so he is contemplating holding out just like elway did to go to a better marketing team...this kind of stuff makes me sick...if he really does this the NFL should step in and start helping out the franchise so they aren't set back even further because of this...cause if he really does hold out a year and re-enters the draft next year NO will be hurting for another 5 years :crutch:
 
HOOK'EM said:
didnt Bo Jackson do that to the T.B. Buccaneers, he sat out that year then got drafted the next by the Raiders?
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Yes, in a way. He said his first love was baseball and was drafted by the Royals but was re-entered into the next year's nfl draft. The Raiders picked him in the 7th round. I think he only played for the Raiders once baseball season was over but I could be wrong on that part.
 
johnny_tlmn said:
It sounds like to me REGGIE BUSH is a lil punk and I'm very, very glad we didn't pick him. Its like he doesn't wanna even play. Before the draft and the national championship he said money wouldn't be a problem at all, YEAH RIGHT what a punk. To me people when they act like that they need to go seek help, as much as he wants its ridiculous and thats MO and I'm sure theres plenty others to back me on this.

UNLESS, its his agents wanting some money which could be a issue also, but in millions hell 1 million dollars and they could live life in luxury....................I just don't understand, I live paycheck by paycheck and they're concerned about this crap just makes me very angry how the NFL has become.:twocents:
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Just about every athlete and agents wants to milk the team for as much as they can. Not just the NFL, but in baseball and basketball too. I don't know how much of this is Reggie's doing or his agent.
 
If you ever want to see a pair of matchstick legs, look at Reggie Bushs'. He is a choir boy in front of the cameras, and a jerk behind it. There will be somewhat of a holdout because of Reggie's ego. He is still P.O.ed that he wasn't the first pick in the draft. He wants to be the highest paid rookie ever, and the Saints flat can't afford it. When and if he signs, he will be a good one, that is until a defender gets a real good shot at those matchstick legs, like late in the fourth quarter. Maybe thats why he wasn't in there in the national championship game?
 
Does it matter if Reggie is late to camp. Who cares. He is a runningback. He gets the ball and they tell him to try and score, or he runs a route. The kid knows how to do that. As far as blocking goes, he cant block anyway so he will be like most rookie tailbacks. I am just tired of hearing about Reggie Bush, we got the best guy and Reggie is getting on my last nerve. Ohh and Vinny you are right he left out information about the scandal and Kubiak decided to not sign him to the deal we had in place with him and went after Mario.
 
Bush is really not being a "lil punk." This is the <i>name of the game</i>. Only TWO first round picks are signed so far. Does that make ALL of the other 30 players punks as well? No. They are negotiating, banging out the deals until they can agree on something.

Here's another angle; do you realize that if we HAD chosed Bush, Mario Williams would almost definately NOT be signed right now either? Being a #2-5 pick, he obviously knows he's worth money. He would hold out until he recieved what both he and his agent deserved. This is not so much a character flaw as it is a simple act that EVERY player in ANY professional sport partakes in.

It really isn't fair for anyone to call Reggie a "Jerk" behind the cameras. Has anyone seen him behind the cameras? How do we know Mario is a great guy? Or VY? Dont get me wrong--I love Mario AND the pick. I would, however, have been just as happy with Reggie. And I do feel we would have gotten him signed...the same I feel NO will get him signed.

Yeah, he may not have beenn smiling when NO drafted him at 2...but that was NOT bc it was NO, it was because it was not Houston. In his own words, it's "every boy's dream to be drafted number one." He was dissapointed HO and his agent couldnt work out a deal to make him number 1. That's completely understandable.

Reggie DOES WANT TO BE SIGNED. He wants to be in training camp on time. He just needs to reach a deal with the Saints. His agent needs to bang it out and get him there.

I don't see it fit for us to call him a jerk. No other message board puts Bush down as much as this one, and I cant help but ask why? The only answer I can muster is that because we ALMOST picked him, we want him to fail only to make our pick the right one.

The bottom line is, either pick was a smart pick...and if we had taken Bush, Mario would be in the same position he's in right now.
 
Vinny said:
From what I understand, Bush lied to us right before the draft (about his scandal) and we were totally turned off by him. I'm glad we passed on him. Hopefully Mario makes us look smart down the road.
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Think so? Was that all the reason for us passing on him, or just a factor? Just curious; not asking you to name a source, just to go into more detail.
 
Tulip said:
My question is: if he did sit out (which I don't think he will - at least not the entire season) - how does this impact his endorsement deals? I can imagine that these companies would be quite peeved if he's not in an NFL uniform this season.
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His agent has said that these endorsement monies were guaranteed whether he plays or not.
 
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