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Weakest Position?

TexansSeminole said:
What is our weakest position? And what do you think we will address in next years first round?
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Nice discussion topic. I'd say...hmmm. Probably safety, and I doubt we'd use a first round pick to address it. We could get a decent one in later rounds, if we didn't go the free agent route for a quick fix.
 
Our weakest position is CB. We need a real solid #2 CB. I'm one of those who think Buchanon can really pull through this year. But as of now our weakest position is CB. I think we're solid everywhere else. And we can be solid here depending on Buchanon. I'd like to use a first round pick next year on a CB to pair up with former first round pick Dunta Robinson.

I think we are better at safety than it seems. CC sounds like he's really developed after his first year until now and Earl has been solid for us.
 
Safety and Corners.
D-rob is the only one to show some talent out of the group. I honestly believe D-rob is overhyped and only had those interceptions because people were afraid to throw to arron glen's side. ( Ah the good ole days ). I see him get burnt some times and then others he's not in the right place. I do believe though he will be great with time.
P-Buc = P-Burnt. Worst trade so far for the Texans, last year he made me sick to even see him play football. I mean how do you not have the heart to tackle somebody? Makes me kinda angry I played football and I never was scared to get hit or hit by somebody else, part of the game if you dont like dont play!
Earl- dont know much about him. From what all of you say is true then he must be pretty good to play. But I think we could get an upgrade in the draft next year.
C.C - showed some good talent last year. Hes not scared to lay the stick to somebody. Made some good plays on the runs, but on the passing I dont think he was that good. But experience will come with him and I bet he'll be pretty good for us for years to come.
So I think that we should get D-rob some more talent on the other side if P-burnt decides that he dosent want to tackle anybody.:twocents:
 
Runner said:
Nice discussion topic. I'd say...hmmm. Probably safety, and I doubt we'd use a first round pick to address it. We could get a decent one in later rounds, if we didn't go the free agent route for a quick fix.
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I agree that safety is our weakest position. We really dont have any depth there or solid starters. C.C. Brown looks like he will turn into a solid starter but we still need to put some money in this position.

As far as next year's first round I think we will address an offensive line position or linebacker.
 
I feel FS is our weakest position right now. We do not have a legimate FS on our roster. I consider Brown more of a stop gap, only briding us until next year. I think his lack of coverage skills and innability to turn and run with the recievers, as well as quickly and properly recognize the play will show through more than everyone hopes for and he will be exposed as a back up. I like the guy however, and hope he stays with us, I just want a centierfielder at FS, not an undersized SS.
 
I believe the 2 weakest postions on the team is at CB and MLB. Depending on who falls to us in the draft, I would like to see upgrades in those 2 postions immediately.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I feel FS is our weakest position right now. We do not have a legimate FS on our roster. I consider Brown more of a stop gap, only briding us until next year. I think his lack of coverage skills and innability to turn and run with the recievers, as well as quickly and properly recognize the play will show through more than everyone hopes for and he will be exposed as a back up. I like the guy however, and hope he stays with us, I just want a centierfielder at FS, not an undersized SS.
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Yea i agree, i think that CC is a SS. But i do think he will improve in coverage, and I think that maybe a year at the FS position will help him do that. Maybe next year we can pick up a talented young FS to take over and move CC to SS.

If Flanagan starts to slow down next year and looks like he may only have a few years left (or if he gets injured)...I think we would probably pick up the best center prospect in next years draft. It would be a perfect position where he could learn under Flanagan for his first couple of years and then take over.
 
I agree with the secondary

just to :stirpot:

what about Center?

Flannigan goes down.. you think Drew or McKinney (gets moved back over) would be adequate?
 
TexansSeminole said:
If Flanagan starts to slow down next year and looks like he may only have a few years left (or if he gets injured)...I think we would probably pick up the best center prospect in next years draft. It would be a perfect position where he could learn under Flanagan for his first couple of years and then take over.
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you beat me to the punch
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I just want a centierfielder at FS, not an undersized SS.
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Ummm, yeah:

Pro bowl safeties
FS
Bob Sanders 5' 8" 206 lbs
John Lynch 6' 2" 220 lbs
Darren Sharper 6' 2" 210 lbs

SS
Troy Polamalu 5' 10" 212 lbs
Roy Williams 6' 226 lbs
Brian Dawkins 6' 210 lbs
Mike Brown 5' 10" 207 lbs

CC Brown 6' 208 lbs--clearly the Texans were nuts to take such a shrimp.
 
Linebacker. We have an injuried guy, and old guy, a rookie, and a few other guys who shouldn't be more than second string. The only guy I am sold on is greenwood.
 
TexansSeminole said:
What is our weakest position? And what do you think we will address in next years first round?
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1) #2 CB - I am pretty nervous about Faggins and PBuch having to play significant time, Faggins is a pretty hard worker but just isn't athletic enough, and Buchanon has the athleticism but not the toughness. Hopefully Buchanon will pull his head out of his rear this year and the new coaching staff can get something good out of him, but I'm not counting on it, Faggins will forever have pretty limited potential.
2) FS - Brown and Earl are both functional safeties but neither are real good in coverage, we could use an upgrade there if our defensive scheme calls for a safety that can cover people well. Our new defense may not require safeties that can cover people real well, it might be predicated more on heavy pressure and need safeties that are bigger hitters (John Lynch types) that can help in run support and hit people downfield as the DLine and LBs get quick pressure on the QB and don't allow them to throw deep routes downfield.
 
Next year I see us going OLB, FS, RB, and OG... with CB as a possibility.

I figure that we will want to further improve our passrush and OLB seems to be our biggest hole in that. (assuming Ryans becomes an ILB)

FS because we lack a REAL FS.. a ball hawk that can really take advantage of our new pass rush.

RB because we are old and/or rickity at the position.. we need more there..and I think Kube will want to take RBs every year.

OG because we are old at the position and we need to start grooming.

CB is an outside shot because I think Pbuch is learning.. I think he has the athletic ability.. and I think with a pass rush (something he has yet to really have in the pros) he will shine. But he may fall on his face..so its a possibility.


This is my initial impression.. before training camp and a single game has been played :D.. by the end of the season I may be saying we need an SS, FB, and kicker.. for all I know.
 
if Wand is our starting LT then that's my vote. I'm one who would rather keep Pitts @ LT & we all know its tough on a rookie to fill that position (D'Brickashaw Ferguson would probably even struggled). :stirpot:
looking out one season at this point is too far, who honestly knows what the Texans will need to aquire this early for next year, hell I could'nt pick two days before the last draft as to who the Texans would ultimately select. :shoot:
 
1.) Quarterback - Until Davie Franchise shows (on the field) that he is a legitimate NFL QB, this position is a huge weakness.

2.) Linebacker - Morlon Greenwood is the best linebacker out of the bunch (until Ryans proves otherwise)... enough said.

3.) Offensive Line - 4 returning starters from one of the worst pass blocking lines in NFL history.

4.) Secondary - Lots of youth.
 
the wonger need food said:
3.) Offensive Line - 4 returning starters from one of the worst pass blocking lines in NFL history.
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4? Wand is not a returning starter nor if Flannigan.

McKinney and Wiegert are returning starters in new positions. Pitts is the only guy set to play in the position he began in last season.
 
Smokedawg said:
As of right now our Secondary but, with our new front 7 who knows by next year.
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Ditto. Any Pro Bowler DB would have looked bad in our secondary last year. I'll withhold judgment until I see how they do with a real pass rush.
 
I think in the first round we should pick up a RB. The second and maybe even third round we should pick up some DBs.:spy:
 
This is a hard question since so much has changed. But the only "area" that has not been altered radically seems to be the Defensive secondary. I think the Texans are hoping that the new 4-3 with different players will make life easier for the secondary, especially as it concerns the quarterback. Peyton and Byron both have trouble when a good rush is put on them. Regardless, our secondary will have to face the likes of David Givens, Marvin Lewis, and several other quality receivers. It is going to be an interesting year...
 
Hmmmm. It is a shorter list to talk about what doesn't need help (wide receivers, tight end, d-line):

I'm not going to repeat everyone else's answers but:

Running back. If DD's knees aren't good, we are in some deep stuff. Morency has foot issues right now, Smith is oldish, and then we have a bunch of rookies. The offense is ALL about having a legit running attack, and is not the sort where you would want to start a rookie.

Special teams. Kicking was bad last year, we lost Mathis, there will likely be a bunch of new guys here. I like Marciano as a coach but I will be interested to see what sorta stuff he is going to make of this. This is the first year he is not going to have a designated guy like a JJ or a Mathis back there. Sometimes the position players he has that have filled in have been ick--Aaron Glenn returning kicks was an adventure.
 
I think we could be pretty bad at LB too. Hopefully guys like Orr and Anderson can step it up, cause I'm not totally sold on our starting 3. Demeco Ryans seems like a good pick, but I don't have too much faith in Greenwood.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Hmmmm. It is a shorter list to talk about what doesn't need help (wide receivers, tight end, d-line):

I'm not going to repeat everyone else's answers but:

Running back. If DD's knees aren't good, we are in some deep stuff. Morency has foot issues right now, Smith is oldish, and then we have a bunch of rookies. The offense is ALL about having a legit running attack, and is not the sort where you would want to start a rookie.

Special teams. Kicking was bad last year, we lost Mathis, there will likely be a bunch of new guys here. I like Marciano as a coach but I will be interested to see what sorta stuff he is going to make of this. This is the first year he is not going to have a designated guy like a JJ or a Mathis back there. Sometimes the position players he has that have filled in have been ick--Aaron Glenn returning kicks was an adventure.
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I was debating on the impact of special teams, too. It seems to be a big question mark. At the same time, I am hoping that a key difference this year will be that I am no longer hoping Mathis will put us in enemy territory so we have a chance to score - hopefully this year, if the receiver can get us to our twenty/twenty-five, the offense can hold the ball for more than 3-and-out.
 
I think the secondary is the weakest link on the team. Let's hope the front four can generate enough pass rush so the back 7 can drop back into coverage.

If Wand can pull it together under Sherman's coaching, I think the o-line will be a non-issue in '06. Maybe even a strength if they are injury free. The Denver system is a very o-line friendly way to run an offense.
 
Very specific - FS and LT.

More general - Secondary

I am not buying CC Brown as a Free Safety. He is out of position. He is a Glenn Earl clone. I didn't understand why you would draft a clone of a guy you already have in Earl. We need a more rangy guy that can run.

LT - As it stands right NOW, LT is a major weakness. This potentially could change quickly if Spencer can play quickly, or Wand is better than I think.

As a group, I am going to say the secondary. Beyond D-rob, is there one above average player in any of those other positions? P-buch? Please, he is terrible. The other guys are either not athletic enough, or under-sized etc. Earl and CC are hard hitting run supporters who cannot cover.
 
infantrycak said:
4? Wand is not a returning starter nor if Flannigan.

McKinney and Wiegert are returning starters in new positions. Pitts is the only guy set to play in the position he began in last season.
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Finally, I think I caught one of your mistakes this time.

Pitts played LT last year, and is set to play LG this year with Wand starting at LT.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Finally, I think I caught one of your mistakes this time.

Pitts played LT last year, and is set to play LG this year with Wand starting at LT.
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Nice try, but he gotcha! Pitts started last season at LG. He moved LT after the Riley experiment failed.
 
Who didn't play Left Tackle last year? Sherman said Wand is the guy, I dissagree, but he has been a winning coach for a while so I conceed. Winning cures all ills, except hang overs, and I believe in our coaching staff. Our LB core is actually preety good, Greenwood had over 100 tackles and is mobile, Ryans is quick as well, if Wong can come back that would be a big boost, and every time Orr lines up, he is near the ball. T-Buc will be able to gamble more with the front four putting more pressure on the QB, and that is what made him a viable CB, INT's.
Stop the run first, Kubiak, so our safties are in line with the scheme.
 
srstex said:
Who didn't play Left Tackle last year? Sherman said Wand is the guy, I dissagree, but he has been a winning coach for a while so I conceed. Winning cures all ills, except hang overs, and I believe in our coaching staff. Our LB core is actually preety good, Greenwood had over 100 tackles and is mobile, Ryans is quick as well, if Wong can come back that would be a big boost, and every time Orr lines up, he is near the ball. T-Buc will be able to gamble more with the front four putting more pressure on the QB, and that is what made him a viable CB, INT's.
Stop the run first, Kubiak, so our safties are in line with the scheme.
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A majority of Greenwoods tackles last year came 4-6 yards past the line of scrimmage, Ryans is a hopeful, and Wong is our best LB (IMO) if he can get healthy, If our D-line is supposed to be our main rushing tool, then don't expect to see much blitzing except when we want to confuse the other team (Manning) or our regular 4-man rush doesn't cut it against the opposing line (Hopefully doesn't happen) so our LB's primary jobs will be stopping the run, and coverage over the middle, so Orr might not be blitzing as much this year, but hopefully he controls his side of the field and can prove to be a force against the running game, and continue his great blitzing potential when we call on him. So to sum up (My opinions) our brightspots at LB are Ryans, Wong (If he can recover), and Orr (He proves that he can be as much of a gamechanger against the run as he was against the pass, I personally loved this guy from his first special teams tackle) I say we take another LB in next years draft just to be safe, then in the second round go to O-Line (Still could use more depth) and maybe secondary depending on how we play this year.:poker:

/end long post :rant:

Edit: oh yea, and take the best Kicker in the draft late in the third round(You know... from like the 32 pick), hopefully either this year or next year when (I think) Kris Browns contract expires..... and ....(Rugby player for punter?)
 
Brandon420tx said:
A majority of Greenwoods tackles last year came 4-6 yards past the line of scrimmage, Ryans is a hopeful, and Wong is our best LB (IMO) if he can get healthy, If our D-line is supposed to be our main rushing tool, then don't expect to see much blitzing except when we want to confuse the other team (Manning) or our regular 4-man rush doesn't cut it against the opposing line (Hopefully doesn't happen) so our LB's primary jobs will be stopping the run, and coverage over the middle, so Orr might not be blitzing as much this year, but hopefully he controls his side of the field and can prove to be a force against the running game, and continue his great blitzing potential when we call on him. So to sum up (My opinions) our brightspots at LB are Ryans, Wong (If he can recover), and Orr (He proves that he can be as much of a gamechanger against the run as he was against the pass, I personally loved this guy from his first special teams tackle) I say we take another LB in next years draft just to be safe, then in the second round go to O-Line (Still could use more depth) and maybe secondary depending on how we play this year.:poker:

/end long post :rant:
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Personally, I think Wong is overrated. He was ok when he was heathy but I think we have better younger LBs than him. :stirpot:
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HOU-TEX said:
Personally, I think Wong is overrated. He was ok when he was heathy but I think we have better younger LBs than him. :stirpot:
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From what we have on our team (Not counting our rookie) He probably is our best when healthy, (for other teams that might not be the case), He plays against the pass and run with a decent to good to pretty good range of quality. If he can't recover from his injury then I think it would be a great idea to draft another future LB star to go alongside Demeco and strengthen the middle of our Defense for the future.

I'll go a step farther and predict the entire draft next year (Barring serious injury)

1st round: LB
2nd round: O-Line or DB (Fast hard hitter to compliment Dunta, can be either CB or S)
3rd round: Kicker (HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA :stirpot: )
4th round: O-Line or DB (Which ever wasn't picked in round 2)
5th round: O-Line (Project) or RB (Depth)
6th round: BPA
7th round: BPA
 
Porky said:
Nice try, but he gotcha! Pitts started last season at LG. He moved LT after the Riley experiment failed.
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Well, if you want to be that specific about it then McKinny also played RG last year when Drew Hodgen started at C before injury, and Weigert finished the year at RT. The Riley experiment failed quickly, and Pitts was a LT the majority of last year.

On a seperate note, how is infantrycak ALWAYS right with these deep statistics and everything else?? Has that man ever been wrong? I've been here a long, long time, and this is just the FIST mistake I caught, or thought I caught from him.
 
Brandon420tx said:
From what we have on our team (Not counting our rookie) He probably is our best when healthy, (for other teams that might not be the case), He plays against the pass and run with a decent to good to pretty good range of quality. If he can't recover from his injury then I think it would be a great idea to draft another future LB star to go alongside Demeco and strengthen the middle of our Defense for the future.

I'll go a step farther and predict the entire draft next year (Barring serious injury)

1st round: LB
2nd round: O-Line or DB (Fast hard hitter to compliment Dunta, can be either CB or S)
3rd round: Kicker (HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA :stirpot: )
4th round: O-Line or DB (Which ever wasn't picked in round 2)
5th round: O-Line (Project) or RB (Depth)
6th round: BPA
7th round: BPA
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I agree with picking somebody else up at LB. Who's going to be out there next year? I think the good LB crop was this year. Can you imagine if Hawk was in the draft next year and we picked him to go with Demeco?:drool:

I'm not too sure we're going to need to pick up anymore linemen. We drafted two this past year and one the year before. If Winston and Spencer pan out, we'll be ok at oline. We should pick up a good RB in the first rd and then DB in the second and third.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Well, if you want to be that specific about it then McKinny also played RG last year when Drew Hodgen started at C
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McKinney played at LG last year when Hodg was at C.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Can you imagine if Hawk was in the draft next year and we picked him to go with Demeco?:drool:

I'm not too sure we're going to need to pick up anymore linemen. We drafted two this past year and one the year before. If Winston and Spencer pan out, we'll be ok at oline. We should pick up a good RB in the first rd and then DB in the second and third.
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We can always improve for the future, and a fresh guard sounds nice.

Time to imagine Demeco and Hawk together in Texans Uniforms:pigfly: I can dream though.
 
Until our O-line plays better, that’s my pick. Particularly, LT.

I will qualify that statement with "I think our o-line will improve throughout the season due to our new center, our two new tackles and finally improved line and head coaches."

Other weaknesses include LB and DB.

I am firm believer that a ball control offense can make up for a lot of weaknesses on defense. Jimmy Johnson was once quoted to say "the best thing about our defense is we keep them off the field."

Works for me. :)
 
Weakest positions - CB, LB & RB

1st round next year - CB or LB

Maybe its just me, but IMO havent been too impressed with Greenwood esp after the big signing bonus and touting of him being a big addition to the LB corp. I think we seriously overpaid for him because we were an expansion club in need of bodies - not his body of work demanding it. IMO he only got those glaring tackle #'s last year because of injuries to Wong and others not because of his superior production on the field as shown by his overall stats. He's only produced like last year one other time and has never had more than 2 sacks in a year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4310/career;_ylt=AphUhfCV6YnxgID36IljqdP.uLYF

IMO Wong was our best LB when healthy last year. It will be interesting to see how Ryans, Anderson, Polk, Greenwood, Orr, Cowart and if Wong makes it back how they will respond in the new defense and who will be producing on the field. I have a hunch it wont be who some think it is and I think you will see D-wreck crack the starting lineup by the start of the season. Shifting back to the 4-3 this year will let the linebackers have a little lesspressure, require less "Read Plays" and more just reacting to the ball. Hopefully they will all take advantage of it.

:fieldgoal
 
This next year will be strong in linebackers as well. If alot of juniors come out it will be stronger than this year was.

Personally I think Paul Posluszny is just as good as Hawk...the only thing Hawk has on him is speed, and im not even 100% sure about that. Buster Davis out of FSU is a good linebacker too; last year he played the middle but this year he may be playing on the outside. A little sleeper for LB this year is Lawrence Timmons out of FSU. He was awarded the "Hit Stick" this year in spring training, and not alot of linebackers at FSU are given the hit stick that early. If you thought Sims could hit, watch out for this guy. 6'3 235 and fast. O and by the way, since alot of FSU games are televised this year, he is #83. Not that you wont notice him when you watch the games. Just a little FSU insider for you there, I beleive he is 1st round caliber. Only problem is he will be a junior next year, but I think he will be this years Ernie Sims.

This year is the perfect year to pick up secondary, there will be some talent left in the second and third.
 
Don't forget safety, unless we plan to pick up one in free agency, I wouldn't understand if we didn't pick up one in the first three rounds next year. Kubiak has worked well with RBs in the past that were drafted after the third.
 
All this talk of drafting a running back with the first round pick next year is interesting. My understanding of the Denver offensive system is that it is designed to make average backs look really good. For that reason, I don't think that RB will ever be high on the Texans' needs list.
 
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