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BroussardSaint said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7T...h=reggie bush seems around this time earlier this year no one knew who mario williams was. and Reggie was King of the world. talk about band wagon jumpers Y"ALL (some) are....:goodbad: one way or the other.
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I get a malformed video id on that link.

1. I only started coming here during this year's draft to find out how other Texans fans were reacting to the draft and to get more informed opinions on the guys we were picking up.

2. Prior to the combine, I had only the vaguest notion who Mario Williams was.

3. Since I'm only a recent poster, I don't have any proof of this but... I never really thought we were going to take Reggie Bush, Young, or Lienart. I felt our RB and QB positions were fine. Because of our history with the OL, I expected us to trade down with the Jets and pick up DBrick with the 4th pick and the Jets to take Bush to replace Curtis Martin or either Lienart or Young to replace Pennington with the first pick. I expected Mario to go to the Saints, then either Lienart or Young to the Titans. The only question I had with this scenario was the possibility that DBrick would go to the Saints at which point I had no idea what we'd do: Mario? AJ? Vernon Davis? I had no idea.

When I heard the night before the draft that we were going to pick Mario, I thought it was just a ploy to put pressure on someone to make the trade. With all the moves we'd made on the DL the past couple of years, I really didn't expect us to pick Mario.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Wow!! until you turned me on to that video i thought Bob McNair was a highly educated and informed owner. to me he sounded like he beat around the bush (no pun intended ), in giving reasons for picking Mario. for one saying that by signing mario he knew he would be in camp on time. HMM!! wasn't Carr signed and in camp on time?? and Tony Bosseli was signed before anyone else huh?? what are they doing for you now?? Bush (the #1 every houston fan wanted) will be signed and will be in saints training camp. there's no need for houston fans to hate on Reggie because you're front office messed up. hate on you're rivals IE: COLTS,TITANS,JAGS.
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I am not hating on Reggie.. What is funny is no team wanted to trade with Houston or N.O. for the "greatest" thing (rumors are Jets wouldn't part with their picks to N.O. Yes, Reggie would be a nice addition to any team, but what we needed was defense. I mean look at the Colts. all that offense and no SuperBowl.. Reggie wasn't going to stop Payton,Wayne, Harrison etc..

We closed the gap (maybe not caught them) with our division rivals with the addition of Kubiak,Moulds,Williams,Ryan, spencer,winston..etc.

At least on paper and that is all we can go on right now until the season starts.
 
Reggie Bush is a RB with a huge upside and an almost equally huge downside. That is not what THIS team needed, although it was still very tempting. Mario was the best choice for this team, if Carr doesn't wind up having to be replaced.

I could put down every choice this team made in that draft, except Winston and Spencer in the third round, but there is an obvious method to the madness there and it needs to be given a chance to prove itself.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Hey man i'm with you on who needs who. what i was trying to get at was all these people trying to hate on Reggie now that the Texans passed on him. He was the GOD of all players when it was reported that the Texans would pick him. and Mario wasn't even known or talked about. now Mario is the greatest thing next to God. and all of a sudden Reggie is weak, and fragile, and has problems.? i just never seen so much jealous fans on any other site than i do here. Texans fans worring about other teams players than their own.
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So has Reggie signed a contract yet?
 
BroussardSaint said:
...what i was trying to get at was all these people trying to hate on Reggie now that the Texans passed on him. He was the GOD of all players when it was reported that the Texans would pick him. and Mario wasn't even known or talked about. now Mario is the greatest thing next to God. and all of a sudden Reggie is weak, and fragile, and has problems.
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If you had visited this board before the draft, you'd know that Bush was not a unanimous choice among posters. There was a strong Vince Young contingent. Plus, a decent collection of fans who wanted the Texans to look at non-skill players (including Mario) and/or trade down. Among the posters who advanced this idea most often was Morknolle (you can search his posts).

After Reggie's issues with New Era Sports were discovered, some Bush fans began to cool on him as the 1st pick. Still, most Texans fans were surprised that Mario was signed a day before the draft. But it was a pleasant surprise for many.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Hey man i'm with you on who needs who. what i was trying to get at was all these people trying to hate on Reggie now that the Texans passed on him. He was the GOD of all players when it was reported that the Texans would pick him. and Mario wasn't even known or talked about. now Mario is the greatest thing next to God. and all of a sudden Reggie is weak, and fragile, and has problems.? i just never seen so much jealous fans on any other site than i do here. Texans fans worring about other teams players than their own.[/QUOTE
I think it's more a case of loving what Mario brings, after we got more familiar with him than really hating on Bush. IMO, the "new" has worn off since the draft and RB is just another RB to us, now. He's lost Superman status. We have our own Super Mario. Are we supposed to sit here and while away the days til TC pining for Bush? Like has been posted earlier...if any of the top picks were THAT great there would've been a little more action. Maybe it's because it was such a deep draft, I dunno. I DO know that nobody was willing to make a deal to move up and "steal" Reggie. He might be th greatest thing since Earl Campbell, air conditioning and mosquito repellant, but it is somewhat telling that neither the Texans OR Saints made deals when they were willing to deal.
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This is funny. The fan of a team who has exactly 1 playoff win in 40 years of existence.

Why don't you head over to a team's board that you have more in common with (e.g. embarrassing futility), like the Lions or Cardinals.
 
BroussardSaint said:
i did visit the board before the draft and think that 4 to 1 is a unanimous choice. for Reggie or Vince. you know as well as other Texan fans out there that you got the wrong #1 draft pick/player out there. whether it's Reggie,Vince, or who ever. Mario the player who only showed promise in the last half of last year is not worth the money or much less the #1 pick. the only thing he will bring you is the #1 pick next year. if you know what i mean...
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You should do your homework. Mario had a very good collegiate career and will go on to have a great pro career. Why are you so concerned with it, anyway? His career pretty much mirroed Julius Peppers' and some say it was a bit better.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Mario the player who only showed promise in the last half of last year is not worth the money or much less the #1 pick.
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Of the top 3 picks in the draft, Mario was the only player who earned a starting position by his 1st college game. So no, Williams had plenty of promise from the start. What he didn't have going for him was playing on a high profile team such as USC or UT. And he didn't handle the ball or score TDs.

Guys who play along the line will never get the hype of a skill player. But, they're paid very well in the NFL. Because it's common knowledge that blocking and tackling well will win championships.
 
BroussardSaint said:
I Hear you. Too bad you're team is heading in the same dirrection.
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40 years... 1 playoff win. Your team is by far the worst in the history of the NFL. Come back in 35 years and we'll talk. In the meantime you should go talk your smack to the... uh... well, no one. Like I said, your team is the worst in the history of the NFL. The Tampa Bay Devil Rays board might be a good place for ya.
 
DocBar said:
You should do your homework. Mario had a very good collegiate career and will go on to have a great pro career. Why are you so concerned with it, anyway? His career pretty much mirroed Julius Peppers' and some say it was a bit better.
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exactly

that is what gets me.. his career (mario's) matched up with Julius' .. yet not worthy of #1 pick? .. And yes one could nitpick Mario's game and say well he got his stats mainly from a few games and "disappeared" in other games.. And if Mario was inconsistant at the college ranks, well imagine what his stats would have been if he was consistant...

With that said, that is up to Karmelowicz to get him to be consistant along with Richard Smith
 
BroussardSaint said:
Look at you're record!!!!
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that is not saying much, Saints have had more to work with .. before this season, I would have liked us to have some players on offense like McCallister,horn,stallworth etc..etc..

baring injuries, I doubt we will be picking #1 overall this season

Oh BTW thanks for the Winston pick :D
 
Wolf said:
exactly

that is what gets me.. his career (mario's) matched up with Julius' .. yet not worthy of #1 pick? .. And yes one could nitpick Mario's game and say well he got his stats mainly from a few games and "disappeared" in other games.. And if Mario was inconsistant at the college ranks, well imagine what his stats would have been if he was consistant...

With that said, that is up to Karmelowicz to get him to be consistant along with Richard Smith
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Mario has admitted that he had some problems to overcome in the blocking schemes ofeensive lines used against him. Whatever his talents are, he's STILL just a kid. He has a lot of learning to do and some growing left to do. I, for one, am GLAD Mario didn't peak in college. His best days are ahead of him. Unlike a certain "smallish" running back who had to rely on a bigger back to shoulder the load. I can't wait to hear the sAints excuses for that little fact.
 
Wolf said:
exactly

that is what gets me.. his career (mario's) matched up with Julius' .. yet not worthy of #1 pick? ..
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And beyond that, Mario was at least #2 on a lot of draft boards. It's not like he came out of nowhere and they drafted some totally unknown guy. They got a guy that was #2 on a lot of boards and #1 on a few (granted he was lower on some others but usually in the top 5-10.)

Personally, with the stable of RB's that the Saints have, I think there's a good chance that it was a mistake taking Bush... assuming that Deuce stays healthy. And even if Deuce isn't healthy, Bush isn't going to be a replacement for him. Bush is going to have to be used other ways than you use Deuce. They're going to have to design the offense around using these two backs together and if either one is out, the offense is probably going to suffer. I think the Saints should have taken DBrick or one of the QB's.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Hey man i'm with you on who needs who. what i was trying to get at was all these people trying to hate on Reggie now that the Texans passed on him. He was the GOD of all players when it was reported that the Texans would pick him. and Mario wasn't even known or talked about. now Mario is the greatest thing next to God. and all of a sudden Reggie is weak, and fragile, and has problems.? i just never seen so much jealous fans on any other site than i do here. Texans fans worring about other teams players than their own.
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Jealous ? You can go back into the college/draft section here and there were many of us that were aganst Prince Reggie. It's been hashed and rehashed. The ONLY thing we're disappointed about, is that tinkerbell butt couldn't generate 3000 points in value in the draft. We didn't decide that fact...the other thirty teams decided that. Might be a Randy Moss thingy. My money is on the other thirty teams. I gotta a feelin' that Reggie will go the way of Archie Manning. A very promising athelete, in a long line of tallented athletes, who carrers were waisted in a bad frachise. Most of us are looking at the Prince Reggie situation as dodging a bullet. And I gotta fellin' , after a few years in the 500 dog house, there will be quite a few Saints fans with bags on their heads once again. Shoulda pulled the trigger with the Jets.JMHO. We'll see. Gonna sell a bunch of jerseys on doubt.
 
BroussardSaint said:
OH you got excuses? we do too. "I would like to have some players on offense like Manning,Harrison,Wayne,James. ETC........
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Um...the Texans have 4 years in the NFL not 40. The sAints have been a losing organization for so long that the most notable aspect of the team is that fans often choose to wear paper bags over their heads when they attend games. I wouldn't be bringing up records. Our kicker blew a kick in SF that gave US Mario. Why don't you just admit that's why you're spending so much energy defending Bush. You're really jealous because we have Mario and you don't.
:bag: Look familiar?
 
BroussardSaint said:
OH you got excuses? we do too. "I would like to have some players on offense like Manning,Harrison,Wayne,James. ETC........
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no excuses, just saints have had talent on offense and yet they almost got #1 overall :hmmm:
 
BroussardSaint said:
Look at you're record!!!!
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Saints: 39 years to build a winner. One playoff win.

Texans: Four years of existance. Will win a playoff game in the next 2-3 season. I'd say we are well ahead of schedule.
 
BroussardSaint said:
Good post man. i was just trying to get through to all those Reggie bashers who thought he was God until the Saints got him. now they want to worship Mario and get on their knees in front of him.....
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I never thought he was god much less God. You have Mario envy. I feel for you, but make that first step. You can't solve the problem til you admit there is one. The peeps on here are good and we'll have an intervention for you.
Put down the vaseline and step away from the Mario poster...

(am I gonna get in trouble for this?) :hides:
 
IMHO Bush might be the next Barry Sanders. He may put up good/great numbers but his TEAM will not make nor WIN playoff games. Mario on the other hand may change the intire game just being on the field IF he can be the player that our CS/FO think he is. Other teams are going to have to ajust to mario were as other team will KEY on Bush. They have'nt even played a game yet only time will tell. I'll be the first to admit I WAS a Bush fan until the draft, now with more info. I'm a die-hard Mario fan. Mario was what the TEAM needed a pass rushing monster. NOT a undersize,unsigned,"I want as much money now cause I might not get another chance" player that is Bush
 
BroussardSaint said:
Good post man. i was just trying to get through to all those Reggie bashers who thought he was God until the Saints got him. now they want to worship Mario and get on their knees in front of him.....
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Well I still have my doubts about Mario. I support the club and the direction they went..but anytime a player gets the "motor" tag...I get jumpy. He has the physical tools to be a monster. We'll find out about the heart this fall. Did we draft Tarzan or Jane ?
 
threetoedpete said:
Well I still have my doubts about Mario. I support the club and the direction they went..but anytime a player gets the "motor" tag...I get jumpy. He has the physical tools to be a monster. We'll find out about the heart this fall. Did we draft Tarzan or Jane ?
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If you don't have doubts about draft picks, you're nucking futs. We can speculate all we want, but not one of them has a produced a single iota at the pro level. The difference between bust and a bust in Canton can be mighty thin, especially when you're talking about the kind of investments teams make in unproven talents fresh out of college. A 3rd rounder generally gets much more leeway than a 1st or 2nd rounder. It's up to both of these young men(and 30 others) to earn their lofty status. That can be very hard for youngsters. The difference between Mario's and Reggie's upbringings leads me to favor Mario being a bit more mature and dedicated.
 
BroussardSaint said:
I knew by the end of reading this it would have a Mario advantage
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Of course it does. Mario seems to be a well grounded young man. Reggie seems to not be. I think that maturity level plays an important role in a players career. Maybe Bush will be a late bloomer on that issue. Really, I wish Reggie and the sAints all the luck in the world. May we meet in the Super Bowl this February and we can put this arguement to rest!
 
Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry said:
IMHO Bush might be the next Barry Sanders. He may put up good/great numbers but his TEAM will not make nor WIN playoff games.
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I have said exactly the same thing in some other threads.
 
I was actually for Bush way back in late December. Then as things calmed down and I could rationaly think, I became more and more skeptical that he would be the answer. By draft day, I was hoping for D'Brickshaw or Hawk. Now that we Mario, I'm happy with the pick. NFL drafts are a lot like fighting with your spouse. If you get all emotional and do what "feels good at the time", you usually end up regretting it. I'm glad cooler heads prevailed and I like the pick. I just wish the sAints fans liked their quit whining about it.
 
he's just mad cuz he knows the saints had planned on us trading down and taking D'brick, wich would have given them mario, it's too damm funny IMHO
:mario:
 
BroussardSaint said:
this time earlier this year no one knew who mario williams was. and Reggie was King of the world. talk about band wagon jumpers Y"ALL (some) are....
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Because the media, especially "East coast or S. cali Polished-up Not really news" hype machine force fed it to the masses so for the "average fan" in the masses - they knew of Bush or Young (hometown fav and the two "names" in the one college game most watched). Leinhart would've been the other hype name, but he couldn't beat out VY in the Houston / Austin area and surrounding counties.

Plus as mentioned above - right after the Rose bowl, there was an influx of trolls pointing out how much they knew the player that the Texans should pick.

Luckily, the Texans brought in a quality FO the 2nd time around that seemed to do a little more resarch on what the team needed more than the "2 film review" (from another player back in the day) or going after the sexy pick. As I think our ex-GM noted "once you select whom the fans want, you're in trouble".

Knee jerk reaction after our pick was a resounding WHAT?!?! from me, but either the homer in me eventually took over or the rationale the Texans gave after the pick was making sense (maybe a little of both) but I'm cool with the pick now.

Plus, not dogging Reggie - hope he does well... but ya know, if you visit an opposing team's board - you know they're gonna dog on all other 31 teams regardless of who it is, did you expect something else?
 
just one more thing.. as ar as none knowing who mario williams was,?, he was listed on everyones draft board in the top 5 since the before the rosebowl even, i believe he was on the original scouting report before the combine on this very board. to most football fans who he was was never in question. imho passing on RB was never in question , we just dont need him. i think the plan all along was to trade down and take a defensive player or o-lineman, there were just no takers. wich left mario the best need/talent pick on the board for our team. you think the front office waits for who espn and all the other mock draft mongers decide who we should pick? lol
 
DocBar said:
Um...the Texans have 4 years in the NFL not 40. The sAints have been a losing organization for so long that the most notable aspect of the team is that fans often choose to wear paper bags over their heads when they attend games. I wouldn't be bringing up records. Our kicker blew a kick in SF that gave US Mario. Why don't you just admit that's why you're spending so much energy defending Bush. You're really jealous because we have Mario and you don't.
:bag: Look familiar?
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LOL Love it! Ditton on all that to the Saint fan. Obviously he is jealous or he wouldn't be over here on our board crying about it all. So Mr. Saint, we are excited because we have :mario: :mario:
 
Texanfan4ever said:
LOL Love it! Ditton on all that to the Saint fan. Obviously he is jealous or he wouldn't be over here on our board crying about it all. So Mr. Saint, we are excited because we have :mario: :mario:
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Do the Saints even have a message board/
 
Why would a Saints Fan / Reggie Lover be picking on us for taking Mario... If he is being honest about liking Bush, he should be thanking us!

Pushing for us to pick Bush is like my ex-wifes reasoning. It's OK to buy all that neat stuff for the house in the deparment store that you don't really need, and worry about the light bill later (after you get disconnected of course) because the stuff in the store is not only really neat, it's on sale!!

Mario should fill our biggest need. Admittedly we probably got a little lucky that Ryans, Spencer, and Winston were all still there in later rounds for us.

So to the N.O. fan, I am sorry if you feel we stuck you with Reggie because your management was afraid of the ridicule if they passed on him for what your team may of needed more. But I sincerely hope he does have an occassional exciting run just to make the games a bit of fun for you.:ok:
 
well the facts are:
mario is signed
bush isnt
we all are seeing the logic and benefit of taking mario and looking at practice photos of him saying "that guy is a beast!"
bush hurt his hamstring allready and noone got to see much

so i can see why saintsfan would be envious and bitter.

WELL TOO BAD!
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Cool highlight, i would post my all-time favorite highlight video but that would be off topic. We should have a highlight thread
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We did, but it was locked. Someone posted another thread and it was merged with the locked thread. Don't bother looking for it, I already looked and couldn't find it.
 
So what your saying Mr. sAint, is that since the Texans drafted Mario, and we've grown to like what he brings to our team, that we are jumping on the Mario bandwagon. Are you suggesting that those of us who wanted Reggie should start liking the sAints? That would be like a die hard Texans fan liking (forgive me for saying this) Pey-me-a-ton Manning (this would be if the Texans were around before he was drafted) and then jumping ship because the Clots got him. To me if someone did that then they are jumping on the bandwagon. I have no idea why you would want to bash us for growing to like who we picked, you guys got bush isn't that good enough for the sAints.

Sorry for the long post, if it doesn't make sense(as most my posts don't) then I'm sorry I'm kinda tired.

Go Texans!!!
 
Who cares Saints guy, everyone is happy with who they ended up with and even though i would have taken Bush, the Texans chose to fill a bigger need. Houston is happy with Super Mario, you are w/ Bush, and I'm stoked that GB passed on Davis! :bananasplit: :yahoo: :whip: :banana:
 
You crack me up, Broussard. Let's face some facts, NFL wise.

Who has ever done anything with the saints? (lower case intended)

Archie was as close as that team will EVER get. It's a bigger hole than Detroit. Which is nothing but quarterback Hades.

Read this: Your team will NEVER win a Super Bowl. EVER.

Meanwhile, we are a team that will be overly lauded as on the rise. I would rather root for that, than be an NFL joke. JOKE.

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