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Once and for all: Carr

Is Carr worthy or not?

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johnny_tlmn

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By Kaiser Toro: This thread needs to serve as a lesson for those that are Carr supporters and Carr debate haters. The people who seem to want to make this a Carr thread in my opinion are not the Carr critics.

I recommend you stop perpetuating want you do not not want to read.


Here you go people, the once and for all poll on David Carr. Either you like him or don't and if you do or don't explain why. I like him he's our QB and thats final.:twocents:
 
johnny_tlmn said:
By Kaiser Toro: This thread needs to serve as a lesson for those that are Carr supporters and Carr debate haters. The people who seem to want to make this a Carr thread in my opinion are not the Carr critics.

I recommend you stop perpetuating want you do not not want to read.


Here you go people, the once and for all poll on David Carr. Either you like him or don't and if you do or don't explain why. I like him he's our QB and thats final.:twocents:
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I feel sorry for the guy and I send my greatest sympathies to him, but no, I do not think he is the QB of the future for the Texans. I think you guys will draft Bady Quinn or Brian Brohm next year and they will be the QB of the future.
 
johnny_tlmn said:
Spoken like a true Titans fan. You're hoping that so ol' bud can take Carr, huh?! :rolleyes:
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The only thing I like about Bud is that he brought the Titans here. Other than that, he's a moron and knows nothing about football.
 
uh, yeah, I really see Carr going to TN after they just drafted Vince Young this year.

come to think of it, your probably right. Carr will be a very good backup QB on some team for a decade or so. Or there will be the team that see's his 'potential' yet again and give's him a start or two before seeing his 'reality' and benching him.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Carr = Joey Harrington = Mediocrity = good backups
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Come on dude, that's a little harsh isn't it? Harrington has had a much better chance to succeed than DC has had. Even with the moron Matt Millen they've been able to put decent players on the field.:brickwall
 
johnny_tlmn said:
Titans=Bud Adams=To LA we go.
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So a team that has sold out EVERY home game since coming to Nashville is now moving to LA? Wow, maybe we should start making people sit in each others laps so we can sell more tickets cause man it seems like we aren't making enough money.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Carr = Joey Harrington = Mediocrity = good backups
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I can't wait to see your very own Vince the Immortal Slayer of Night Young in action this year.

It's been awhile since we've started a Vince Young thread. I think I'll start one now. Better yet I'll go troll the Titans board and start one there.
 
jerek said:
I can't wait to see your very own Vince the Immortal Slayer of Night Young in action this year.

It's been awhile since we've started a Vince Young thread. I think I'll start one now.
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I'd much rather take my chances with Vince Young than Carr. Don't get mad that your organization passed on two of the best college football players in history. And yes, Vince did have a better college career than Carr. Just look at your own forum poll under "who had the better college career"
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
I'd much rather take my chances with Vince Young than Carr. Don't get mad that your organization passed on two of the best college football players in history. And yes, Vince did have a better college career than Carr. Just look at your own forum poll under "who had the better college career"
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Two of which are unproven in the NFL. Kinda like Carr is still unproven.:brickwall
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
I'd much rather take my chances with Vince Young than Carr. Don't get mad that your organization passed on two of the best college football players in history. And yes, Vince did have a better college career than Carr. Just look at your own forum poll under "who had the better college career"
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That's fine if you'd rather take your chances on Young. I'd rather you take your chances on Young too. Questions of his sub-retarded Wonderlic and borderline arrogance aside, honestly, I think he'll be a good and possibly great quarterback at some point. And I appreciate that you note "two of the best college players" ... that at least is an honest assessment, especially in contrast to the VINCE CAN SCORE AT WILL AGAINST ANYBODY!!1 leg humping that characterized this MB for weeks like leprosy.

VY will probably be great, and I think David Carr will be a great quarterback too. As far as Reggie Moneybags Bush, I couldn't be happier that we passed on him. especially that we did it in favor of Mario Williams. Kubiak's system has very efficiently proven you don't need an all-world running back and his 50M salary to be highly successful on offense. As for VY -- no offense -- but I hope he fails spectacularly. That he probably will not fail should make for an excellent rivalry in the years to come. Enjoy the Titans until Bud moves them ... and FWIW, I hope you score an expansion team to replace them.
 
texan279 said:
I'll bet the farm this won't be the "end all Carr threads" about Carr.
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Come rain or shine, as surely as the sun rises. David Carr could land in the Pro Bowl every year from here on out and there are still people on this board who will bemoan us passing VY. Many more that suddenly are "fans."

Interesting the life these things take on. Almost an experiment in psychology to observe them.
 
Here you go people, the once and for all poll on David Carr. Either you like him or don't and if you do or don't explain why. I like him he's our QB and thats final.:twocents:[/QUOTE]

I like Carr and I think he can get the job done. I also think he has been unfairly criticized. However, It is rare for a QB to play in this league and not get some criticism at some point in time. Either you are viewed as not being talented, stats are not up to par, always injured, or you can't win the big game. The only QB's I can think of that have received hardly any criticism was Joe Montana and Troy Aikman. Carr just needs to put his past behind him and go out and peform.
 
jerek said:
That's fine if you'd rather take your chances on Young. I'd rather you take your chances on Young too. Questions of his sub-retarded Wonderlic and borderline arrogance aside, honestly, I think he'll be a good and possibly great quarterback at some point. And I appreciate that you note "two of the best college players" ... that at least is an honest assessment, especially in contrast to the VINCE CAN SCORE AT WILL AGAINST ANYBODY!!1 leg humping that characterized this MB for weeks like leprosy.

VY will probably be great, and I think David Carr will be a great quarterback too. As far as Reggie Moneybags Bush, I couldn't be happier that we passed on him. especially that we did it in favor of Mario Williams. Kubiak's system has very efficiently proven you don't need an all-world running back and his 50M salary to be highly successful on offense. As for VY -- no offense -- but I hope he fails spectacularly. That he probably will not fail should make for an excellent rivalry in the years to come. Enjoy the Titans until Bud moves them ... and FWIW, I hope you score an expansion team to replace them.
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That's some funny stuff right there:highfive:
 
This is my last time posting this because it becominng a little rediculouse.

Things that make Carrr worth the #1 pick.

  1. He has a cannon for an arm that gives him the ability to make all the throws
  2. Maybe not VY but Carr is still very mobile, he was still in the top 5 for rushing QBs
  3. He throws a very good deep ball, its just up to our receivers to go and catch it ( corey bradford)
  4. He has very good, but not great intermediate accuracy
  5. He doesnt force INTs, he rather dump it off to the RB for 6 yards

Also alot of Carr's INTs come while throwing while runing from defenders or while being hit. Carr has a very good work ethic and never gives up. He has a very good attitude and is passionate about the game. Well just wait until the season starts and see what Carr does when he actually has a couple of pro-bowl WRs, a very good RB, a decent TE, and for the first time,hopefully some protection.
 
johnny_tlmn said:
Either you like him or don't and if you do or don't explain why.
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I like him. I think he's tough. I think he's got all the physical and mental tools to be a very good (and possibly great) quarterback. I think that he just needs the right training and tutelage and the right team to realize that potential and I hope that this regime and team are exactly what he needs.

My fear is that he's been beaten around so much that he's been irreparably damaged.
 
I'm blaming all of Davids Carr's problems on the coaching staff.Even knowing the line had problems they continued to run the same type system.I think Carr has enough talent to drive the bus and should have never been started out like he was.

We need to go back to the basics and build his confidence running a system with a balanced attack.I just think to much has been put on the QB and I think we should scale him down and use the running game more..

I myself am learning a lot about this team but it seams like to much was expected of the QB.I could be wrong listening to the experts but we have this year to find out if were going to be able to win with this guy.

Where i'm getting at, is take pressure off the line with fast developing plays and give more responsibility to the nuclius of the offense.We have to mix things up and spread it out more it seams like we weren't getting enough weapons involved and didn't have a viable outlet.This team the offense has to be more aware of whats going on with the QB and give him outlets when he gets in trouble.
 
Voted for Carr, and will from here on out, till he retires a TEXAN. That is the kind of confidence we should have in our team.
 
Texan Asylum said:
Voted for Carr, and will from here on out, till he retires a TEXAN. That is the kind of confidence we should have in our team.
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Having confidence in your team and a player can be exclusive of one another.
 
Worthy? Of what? Long term QB for Texans? Another year to see what he can do?

I'll go with QB for Texans - worthy. Since being with the Texans, he's not been in the "elite" range of the upper eschelon of QB's, but I think for 3 years of his tenure (not necessarily in a row) in was in the middle of the pack as far as QB rating. There have been the Manning's, Culpepper's, McNabb's obviously above him which is a nice to have, but there have been a few "eh's" above him as well that didn't necessarily lead their team to the chosen land. Plus, he's pretty stable to play an entire season even though his previous o-line and coaches didn't do much to assist with his growth in the NFL.

The things said about him during his college years give some hope as well...
Fresno State: Perhaps the top quarterback in college football during the 2001 season … a fantastic athlete with an NFL-caliber arm … mixes a powerfully built frame with an ability to remain agile in the pocket … a great natural athlete who runs well and can make big plays through the air and on the ground … throws the deep ball extremely well … was as important to his team’s fortunes as anyone, evidenced by the fact that he led the nation in points responsible for … can always find the open receiver, even if he has to check off to his third or fourth target … established numerous Fresno State single-season records this year ….

(2001) Started and played in all 14 games and was perhaps the nation’s best quarterback … had one of the most outstanding statistical seasons for a quarterback ever … became just the sixth quarterback in NCAA history to throw for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had 4,839 passing yards and 46 touchdowns, both tops in the nation … exploded in the Silicon Valley Football Classic, completing 35-of-56 passes for a career-high 531 yards and four touchdowns … threw for at least 300 yards in 11 of 14 games, including 10 of the last 11 … finished third in the nation in completions with 343 … received numerous postseason awards,...… had three 400-yard passing games, including a 432-yard, six-touchdown performance in two-and-a-half quarters in the regular season finale against Utah State …... has been tabbed by ESPN’s Mel Kiper as one of the top quarterbacks to be taken in the upcoming NFL Draft … completed passes to 12 different Bulldogs, including 10 for touchdowns.

Carr's 2001 Awards

Johnny Unitas Award
Football News Offensive Player of the Year
Sammy Baugh Award
WAC Offensive Player of the Year
First-team All-WAC
CNN/SI Honorable mention All-American
Sixth player ever with at least 4,000 passing yards/40 TDs
First in the nation in passing yards (4,308) and TDs (42)
USA Today National Player of the Week (Oct. 3)...
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go bulldogs site

While he may not hit the "elite" levels in the NFL - I'm feeling he'll be the quality leader and "gets it done" level which may be enough if he gets the quality additions to the team that has been needed (and known by the fans) for some time now. He's not the chosen puzzle piece, but he's a good fit - plus till otherwise known - he's a Texan and multiple sources outside Texas and even our newest coach notes he has what it takes.
 
BuffSoldier said:
This is my last time posting this because it becominng a little rediculouse.

Things that make Carrr worth the #1 pick.

  1. He has a cannon for an arm that gives him the ability to make all the throws
  2. Maybe not VY but Carr is still very mobile, he was still in the top 5 for rushing QBs
  3. He throws a very good deep ball, its just up to our receivers to go and catch it ( corey bradford)
  4. He has very good, but not great intermediate accuracy
  5. He doesnt force INTs, he rather dump it off to the RB for 6 yards

Also alot of Carr's INTs come while throwing while runing from defenders or while being hit. Carr has a very good work ethic and never gives up. He has a very good attitude and is passionate about the game. Well just wait until the season starts and see what Carr does when he actually has a couple of pro-bowl WRs, a very good RB, a decent TE, and for the first time,hopefully some protection.
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I'm with you brother!!! Carr will have an above avg. yr this yr. He now has the tools he needs to work with. His numbers will improve and so will the team. All you Carr haters keep on hating, when the time comes don't be jumping on the Carr bandwagon. Gonna make you look kinda stupid, know what i mean.
 
Koolbrz said:
I'm with you brother!!! Carr will have an above avg. yr this yr. He now has the tools he needs to work with. His numbers will improve and so will the team. All you Carr haters keep on hating, when the time comes don't be jumping on the Carr bandwagon. Gonna make you look kinda stupid, know what i mean.
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I would like to think that the Carr Haters are really Carr Waiters. We are all waiting to see all of the greatness that you have seen in College and in the NFL. Some of us are getting up in years and just cannot see it as well as many on this board who tend to be charter customers of the Fresno Fantasy Football Camp.
 
The one thing that makes Carr stand above the other QBS of the game is his ability to get up and rarely be injured.

If every QB in the leauge took the exact same hits Carr has taken in the past 4 years, over half of them probably wouldn't even be in the NFL today.

That's one thing you have to give Carr, he can take a hit and his passion for the game and toughness allows him to keep getting up.
 
AggieTexanFan said:
The one thing that makes Carr stand above the other QBS of the game is his ability to get up and rarely be injured.

If every QB in the leauge took the exact same hits Carr has taken in the past 4 years, over half of them probably wouldn't even be in the NFL today.

That's one thing you have to give Carr, he can take a hit and his passion for the game and toughness allows him to keep getting up.
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Do you have any data to support this? If you have this data have you taken out the sacks that were credited to the team even though he ran out of bounds behind the LOS?

I really do not recall him getting leveled (highlight film fodder) many times. In fact I would say that David has one of the better duck and cover moves in the NFL and that he does indeed mirror future hall of famer Brett Favre in this trait.
 
If guys like Trent Dilfer can win a SB, and guys like Hassleback can eventually become solid QBs in this league, Carr can do the same.
 
El Tejano said:
If guys like Trent Dilfer can win a SB, and guys like Hassleback can eventually become solid QBs in this league, Carr can do the same.
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Hopefully as that is what we have to live with. My only issue with your line of logic is that they were not paying Dilfer or Hasselback 7 million dollars a year from the start of their career.
 
AggieTexanFan said:
The one thing that makes Carr stand above the other QBS of the game is his ability to get up and rarely be injured.

If every QB in the leauge took the exact same hits Carr has taken in the past 4 years, over half of them probably wouldn't even be in the NFL today.

That's one thing you have to give Carr, he can take a hit and his passion for the game and toughness allows him to keep getting up.
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Due to the amount of sacks he's received I think it'll eventually catch up to him in the future. Kinda like Mcnair. Although there's a good point in saying that a majority of these hits were kinda wimpy. Last year I think he got to the point he was shell shocked and just sorta ducked and hit the ground.:crutch:
 
A4toZ said:
Worthy? Of what? Long term QB for Texans? Another year to see what he can do?

I'll go with QB for Texans - worthy. Since being with the Texans, he's not been in the "elite" range of the upper eschelon of QB's, but I think for 3 years of his tenure (not necessarily in a row) in was in the middle of the pack as far as QB rating. There have been the Manning's, Culpepper's, McNabb's obviously above him which is a nice to have, but there have been a few "eh's" above him as well that didn't necessarily lead their team to the chosen land. Plus, he's pretty stable to play an entire season even though his previous o-line and coaches didn't do much to assist with his growth in the NFL.

The things said about him during his college years give some hope as well...


go bulldogs site

While he may not hit the "elite" levels in the NFL - I'm feeling he'll be the quality leader and "gets it done" level which may be enough if he gets the quality additions to the team that has been needed (and known by the fans) for some time now. He's not the chosen puzzle piece, but he's a good fit - plus till otherwise known - he's a Texan and multiple sources outside Texas and even our newest coach notes he has what it takes.
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You guys need to forget his college career. His college career means nothing now. I don't care if he holds every record in college football history, he has 4 YEARS under his belt in the NFL and that's what he should be judged by to this point.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
You guys need to forget his college career. His college career means nothing now. I don't care if he holds every record in college football history, he has 4 YEARS under his belt in the NFL and that's what he should be judged by to this point.
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I think you're:deadhorse He hasn't had a chance to prove himself. They've now given him weapons and a better line as well as an offensive minded coach. Let him run a legit offense and then we'll judge next year or the year after.
 
Blah Blah....................42 out of 9 right now think he is "Worthy". NEXT.

Can we talk about Carr as apart of the Texans now.:rolleyes:
 
HOU-TEX said:
I think you're:deadhorse He hasn't had a chance to prove himself. They've now given him weapons and a better line as well as an offensive minded coach. Let him run a legit offense and then we'll judge next year or the year after.
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Andre Johnson was a Pro Bowler his second year (2004) and his RB was the Rookie of the Year (2003). I do not think it has ever been a question of not having weapons on this offense. If you think it has, then you must throw DC in there as well. Coaching and chemistry are the culprits in my opinion.
 
Andre Johnson was a Pro Bowler his second year (2004) and his RB was the Rookie of the Year (2003). I do not think it has ever been a question of not having weapons on this offense. If you think it has, then you must throw DC in there as well. Coaching and chemistry are the culprits in my opinion.

I beleive I mentioned coaching. You think having only one WR is considered a weapon? Now throw in another WR of equal talent as well as a third that has to be better than what we had and then you have a weapon. I consider the WR corp as a whole to be a weapon. not just one. You didn't mention anything about our line last year so I assume you're ok with it the way it was? This is only discussion and I mean no disrespect.:stirpot:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Andre Johnson was a Pro Bowler his second year (2004) and his RB was the Rookie of the Year (2003). I do not think it has ever been a question of not having weapons on this offense. If you think it has, then you must throw DC in there as well. Coaching and chemistry are the culprits in my opinion.
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I agree with coaching and chemistry, but I disagree with you on the weapons issue. Sounds like Iraq war doesn't it. Anyway, the Texans had two weapons on offense besides Carr. The other teams had to only worry about AJ and DD. The message was simply keep them in front of you. Occassionaly someone else hurt the defense, but not AJ and DD. Of course the Texans coaching staff helped the cause by not going long to AJ. They were contented to dump the ball down to AJ and DD. 11 on 2 is pretty good odds for the defense. Yes, we had a line, but they weren't going to occupy the attention of many with the inept coaching they had and the inept alignment and choice of players playing on the line. No, Carr really hasn't had much to work with until now.

I keep saying our new receiver core is here for a reason and other teams had better beware. If they aren't we will eat them alive. I think Kubiak is going to throw more than people think. How many teams can put two pro bowl receivers on the line at the same time. Yes, Moulds might be a little long in tooth, but he will get open and he will get the ball if its anywhere near him. AJ can and will learn a lot from Moulds. Do not under estimate what Moulds will do for Carr's confidence.
 
Coaching stank and the players knew it, they knew when other teams with less talent did better, they are not stupid.

It is hard to be consestent with a very predictable Offense or even Defense.

I am telling you 10+ WINS is NOT far fatched for this club this year.
 
Well you guys bring up his college career everytime we discuss him. Why don't we just bring up what he did in high school? We should toss some middle school in there too.

He was drafted in 2001, 5 years ago. That was a long time ago. He has been an NFL QB for 4 years now.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I beleive I mentioned coaching. You think having only one WR is considered a weapon? Now throw in another WR of equal talent as well as a third that has to be better than what we had and then you have a weapon. I consider the WR corp as a whole to be a weapon. not just one. You didn't mention anything about our line last year so I assume you're ok with it the way it was? This is only discussion and I mean no disrespect.:stirpot:
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I have mentioned it before that I feel that our line is much more talented than the results have shown due to being played out of position and having no coherent scheme for long term success. Being put in the dog house (Wand) by a coach who is a dog (Pendry) can be looked over, which Sherman seems to be doing. I do have optimism for the line given the players will be in positions they are comfortable with, challenging new rooks in Spencer and Winston and a Center who will be a coach on the field given his understanding of the new O-Line coaches scheme, terminology and expectations. At the very least we should have a unit that is on the same page this year.

We had Gaffney who was good for us when thrown to. However, Moulds is a big upgrade over Gaff or Bradford.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I have mentioned it before that I feel that our line is much more talented than the results have shown due to being played out of position and having no coherent scheme for long term success. Being put in the dog house (Wand) by a coach who is a dog (Pendry) can be looked over, which Sherman seems to be doing. I do have optimism for the line given the players will be in positions they are comfortable with, challenging new rooks in Spencer and Winston and a Center who will be a coach on the field given his understanding of the new O-Line coaches scheme, terminology and expectations. At the very least we should have a unit that is on the same page this year.

We had Gaffney who was good for us when thrown to. However, Moulds is a big upgrade over Gaff or Bradford.
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I agree with everything said here. I too am optimistic of our line this year. I do question the ability and speed of Wade. Where do you project him playing this year? If my memory serves me correct there were several times he was totally beat by the speed rush from the outside while playing tackle.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I agree with everything said here. I too am optimistic of our line this year. I do question the ability and speed of Wade. Where do you project him playing this year? If my memory serves me correct there were several times he was totally beat by the speed rush from the outside while playing tackle.
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He's probably a reserve on this year's squad. All indications are he will not start. He really is not a good fit in the O-line scheme we are expected to utilize.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Well you guys bring up his college career everytime we discuss him. Why don't we just bring up what he did in high school? We should toss some middle school in there too.
He was drafted in 2001, 5 years ago. That was a long time ago. He has been an NFL QB for 4 years now.
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Might as well that's about the level the team played at last year.:sarcasm:

We'll give him a chance with a NFL level coaching staff.
 
Koolbrz said:
I'm with you brother!!! Carr will have an above avg. yr this yr. He now has the tools he needs to work with. His numbers will improve and so will the team. All you Carr haters keep on hating, when the time comes don't be jumping on the Carr bandwagon. Gonna make you look kinda stupid, know what i mean.
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I'm on this list too. Well written. :grouphug: 27 TD's 12 INts.
 
Want eyestrain? Just read all the Carr threads on here.

Potential doesn't win games, performance does.

One player does not a team make... in other words, ya can't do it alone. (Anyone think Reggie Bush will carry N.O. to the Super Bowl this year?)

I have to ask myself, how well would Brady or Manning have done in Carr's shoes. He got tossed to the lions from day 1, with a coaching staff that was filling his pockets up with raw meat.

His attitude still seems good (He's not making excuses and dissing the team from what I have heard.).

David's never had a good O-Line, multiple talented WR's, etc., etc.

On the other hand, he probably could have avoided some of those sacks last year.

Yep, I voted Duh, Don't know on the poll.

So till at least game 10 this year, I still will be thinking of him as The Great Unknown. :confused:
 
South Texan said:
Want eyestrain? Just read all the Carr threads on here.

Potential doesn't win games, performance does.

One player does not a team make... in other words, ya can't do it alone. (Anyone think Reggie Bush will carry N.O. to the Super Bowl this year?)

I have to ask myself, how well would Brady or Manning have done in Carr's shoes. He got tossed to the lions from day 1, with a coaching staff that was filling his pockets up with raw meat.

His attitude still seems good (He's not making excuses and dissing the team from what I have heard.).

David's never had a good O-Line, multiple talented WR's, etc., etc.

On the other hand, he probably could have avoided some of those sacks last year.

Yep, I voted Duh, Don't know on the poll.

So till at least game 10 this year, I still will be thinking of him as The Great Unknown. :confused:
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Ditto to this, couldn't have said it any better.:texans:
 
We need a poll for Volek Vs Carr.

Who has more Fresno fans? Dave or Billy?

What happens in week 8? Is it the Fresno Bowl? Battle of the Back-up Bulldogs?
Must or Bust Bowl? The Potential Energy Bowl. The More or Less Bowl, the winner has less potential, the loser has more! The Everybody Wins ( even when you are losing ) Bowl.
 
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