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"Taking plays off" as described for Mario

Wolf

Wolf

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I am just curious on this phrase "taking plays off"

Mario has been described to do that..but I am wondering, by whom?
The coach, the media?

How does one know what the assignment was for a particular player? attack? hang back and cover the flat?


someone shine some light on that? If I heard it from the coach, I would understand being he knows what plays were called and what the responsibilities where of a particular player and more important a particuliar position that that point of the game
 
Wolf said:
I am just curious on this phrase "taking plays off"

Mario has been described to do that..but I am wondering, by whom?
The coach, the media?

How does one know what the assignment was for a particular player? attack? hang back and cover the flat?


someone shine some light on that? If I heard it from the coach, I would understand being he knows what plays were called and what the responsibilities where of a particular player and more important a particuliar position that that point of the game
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There were times in games where he would completely disapeer. You would think a college player with his physical skills would be a major factor play in and play out. However there are large streaches where he completely disapeers, at times looking as if he is letting himself be blocked. Just look at his stats from the beggining of the year to the end. Look at his stats game by game and you will get a small picture of it. Then if you get a chance watch a couple games against his larger opponents.
 
BigSaint8050 said:
There were times in games where he would completely disapeer. You would think a college player with his physical skills would be a major factor play in and play out. However there are large streaches where he completely disapeers, at times looking as if he is letting himself be blocked. Just look at his stats from the beggining of the year to the end. Look at his stats game by game and you will get a small picture of it. Then if you get a chance watch a couple games against his larger opponents.
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I would love to see some facts. This is pure speculation. Stats are at best difficult to use to evaluate anything. The usefulness of facts is that they give someone who wasn't there, or didn't see it.... something to look at to have a foundation for making a decision. Even then, you don't really know what you have unless you get an inside look at the real thing in action. Whether it's sports or anything else, relying on stats is a risky business.
 
Some of this criticism stems from the fact that he sometimes would engage the tackles for too long rather than charging the edge. This has to do alot with his inexperience in good use of his hands, something that Kub and company have been successfully working on with him. The last thing you can say about Williams is that he is a slacker.
 
Wolf said:
I am just curious on this phrase "taking plays off"

Mario has been described to do that..but I am wondering, by whom?
The coach, the media?

How does one know what the assignment was for a particular player? attack? hang back and cover the flat?


someone shine some light on that? If I heard it from the coach, I would understand being he knows what plays were called and what the responsibilities where of a particular player and more important a particuliar position that that point of the game
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Here is what happens with Freaks like this guy...............

Teams run away from you, you get double teamed 80% of the time, and even if you dont get doubled they will sometimes have a back chip you hard, and he said himself he has had trouble letting lineman chop block him and that is normal that comes with experience and he is only what 21 years old if that.

From watching the guy play he is an absulute freak, on how low he is for a guy his size, the leverage he plays with for being 6-7 is crazy (and sometimes he leans too far thats why he has had trouble with the chop)........
Lets not make this into something outragous, the reason he "dissapeared" in big games is because he was getting doubled or trippled or they just flat out ran the ball away from him. Tell me what you would do on plays were you are doubled and the play is over in 3 seconds?
Next to playing QB DLine is the hardest spot on the field to play...........
 
Another consideration would be Mario's assignment for the play. If he was supposed to maintain containment then he might appear to be allowing himself to be blocked, when he's actually just taking away one of the offenses' options. Mario won't be getting great penetration every play, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's taking the play off.:twocents:
 
blockhead83 said:
Another consideration would be Mario's assignment for the play. If he was supposed to maintain containment then he might appear to be allowing himself to be blocked, when he's actually just taking away one of the offenses' options. Mario won't be getting great penetration every play, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's taking the play off.:twocents:
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exactly..I hear that he takes playes off and just wonder who says it. how is it judged?
 
bayoudreamn said:
I would love to see some facts. This is pure speculation. Stats are at best difficult to use to evaluate anything. The usefulness of facts is that they give someone who wasn't there, or didn't see it.... something to look at to have a foundation for making a decision. Even then, you don't really know what you have unless you get an inside look at the real thing in action. Whether it's sports or anything else, relying on stats is a risky business.
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As I said in my post, the stats only tell part of the story. You need to watch the film if you are going to make judgement.

I am by no means trying to diss Williams, as I am sure some Houston fans would automatically assume with me being a Saints fan. I however have seen him play, and have watched plenty of game tape. Believe what you will, I am not trying to change peoples minds, just answering a question with my opinion.

There are pleny times during the games, especially against better schools, that Mario is one on one with tackles and TE's and he doesn't attempt to move them. Also to the poster that said he gets double teamed 80% of the time, are you unaware that he had two other 1st round picks on the same line with him? I have heard several people, including his coaches, say that he wasn't even the most talented linemen on their team (that would be John McCargo). Also he may not even have been the most athletic player on the line, some would agrue that would have been Manny Lawson (6'5-1/2 250lbs 4.4 40" verticle).

Like I said, if you are going to pass judgement at least watch the tape, that doesn't mean highlight reels someone put together.
 
[QUOTE=texansfaninla]Mario himself said he took plays off in college. The quote was something like, "Who doesn't?" Might try to find that....[/QUOTE]

no he didn't!!!!! have a read of his compedium...... there's a clear explanation not only from him but his team mates and coach regarding assignment and the fact that after the first four games he finally perfected a technique that would stop the oline from cutting him
 
maybe we need to dig up all the films of reggie bush and find all his faults. or maybe find faults in all the teams we get beat by. or maybe we should just wait tilll he plays a SINGLE FRIGGIN DOWN AS A PRO!

p.s. I think you show really poor taste going to some other teams board spouting trash, I wish i was a moderator
 
BigSaint8050 said:
There are pleny times during the games, especially against better schools, that Mario is one on one with tackles and TE's and he doesn't attempt to move them. Also to the poster that said he gets double teamed 80% of the time, are you unaware that he had two other 1st round picks on the same line with him? I have heard several people, including his coaches, say that he wasn't even the most talented linemen on their team (that would be John McCargo). Also he may not even have been the most athletic player on the line, some would agrue that would have been Manny Lawson (6'5-1/2 250lbs 4.4 40" verticle).
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BigSaint8050 said:
like I said, if you are going to pass judgement at least watch the tape, that doesn't mean highlight reels someone put together.
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to everyone just view the link below it has the coaches as well as mario team mates such as manny lawson on what they say about williams

http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2006/06/the_ultimate_mario_williams_co_1.html#comments

manny lawson "There's no way. His numbers were great, but if people think they were down at all it's because every team we played ran the ball away from him. Teams were scared to death of Mario."

ESPN "Critics point to the fact that 13½ of Williams' 14½ sacks last season came in the Wolfpack's final seven games and wonder about his consistency. Williams offered an interesting explanation for that. It took him four games to figure out how to better deal with cut blocks. Instead of wasting time pushing down with both hands on blockers' shoulder pads and stepping around the block the way linemen are taught, Williams learned how to handle blockers with one hand or just hurdle them. He had three sacks in NC State's fifth game, against Wake Forest"

Mario Williams: 126 solo tackles / 25 1/2 sacks / 55 1/2 tackles for loss

Julius Peppers: 128 solo tackles / 30 1/2 sacks / 53 tackles for loss
 
texansfaninla said:
Mario himself said he took plays off in college. The quote was something like, "Who doesn't?" Might try to find that....
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Please spend as much time needed to find it....if thats what it takes (eternity because the quote doesn't exist), by all means do it....whatever you can fill your time with to keep your posts off the board.
 
wicked_wayz said:


to everyone just view the link below it has the coaches as well as mario team mates such as manny lawson on what they say about williams

http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2006/06/the_ultimate_mario_williams_co_1.html#comments

manny lawson "There's no way. His numbers were great, but if people think they were down at all it's because every team we played ran the ball away from him. Teams were scared to death of Mario."

ESPN "Critics point to the fact that 13½ of Williams' 14½ sacks last season came in the Wolfpack's final seven games and wonder about his consistency. Williams offered an interesting explanation for that. It took him four games to figure out how to better deal with cut blocks. Instead of wasting time pushing down with both hands on blockers' shoulder pads and stepping around the block the way linemen are taught, Williams learned how to handle blockers with one hand or just hurdle them. He had three sacks in NC State's fifth game, against Wake Forest"

Mario Williams: 126 solo tackles / 25 1/2 sacks / 55 1/2 tackles for loss

Julius Peppers: 128 solo tackles / 30 1/2 sacks / 53 tackles for loss
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Just like I said, he is a bigger freak of an athlete then JP is, kind of like Jevon Kearse mold.
 
well honestly I don't see how you can't wonder about his consistency when you look at all the factors:

A- he had two other first round picks on the line, he wasn't ever the sole person offenses gameplanned for.
B- his physical tools are superior to any player he has ever played against, he should be able to physically dominate the opposition on every down
C- Peppers had better stats at UNC, and while he had a high draft pick on the line with him, it was proven that peppers made simms not the other way around. Williams had two guys to take away pressure that shouldve left him 1 on 1 to collect 20+ sacks

just my opinion, he had the tools to set every sack record in college. so when he only gets around 1 a game, you have to wonder.
 
stevo3883 said:
well honestly I don't see how you can't wonder about his consistency when you look at all the factors:

A- he had two other first round picks on the line, he wasn't ever the sole person offenses gameplanned for.
B- his physical tools are superior to any player he has ever played against, he should be able to physically dominate the opposition on every down
C- Peppers had better stats at UNC, and while he had a high draft pick on the line with him, it was proven that peppers made simms not the other way around. Williams had two guys to take away pressure that shouldve left him 1 on 1 to collect 20+ sacks

just my opinion, he had the tools to set every sack record in college. so when he only gets around 1 a game, you have to wonder.
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A- All good college D-Lineman usually has one or two good players they play with. No one ever anchors by themselves.
B- If thats the case then I am assuming that you think he should have made every tackle this past season. Even when there gameplan is to try to avoid Mario as much as possible.
C- Peppers did not have better stats look it up. It will soon be proven that Mario made all those guys better.( Not saying that the other two won't pan out) I just believed Mario allowed them to shine better by forcing the play there way. Freeney, Rice, Peppers,Strahan,Taylor none of them ever got 20+ sacks while in a college season.
 
BigSaint8050 said:
There are pleny times during the games, especially against better schools, that Mario is one on one with tackles and TE's and he doesn't attempt to move them.

Like I said, if you are going to pass judgement at least watch the tape, that doesn't mean highlight reels someone put together.
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I haven't seen any tape, I won't deny that. I kinda wish I could have been a fly on the wall and know what his assignment was.. containment on that area or not?

Calling Agent Scully and Moulder :spy:
 
it's really kinda pointless to argue about mario, some vince young and reggie bush lovers will never think he's living up to his pick or his salary. if he gets 20 saks they will say he should have got 30
 
stevo3883 said:
well honestly I don't see how you can't wonder about his consistency when you look at all the factors:

A- he had two other first round picks on the line, he wasn't ever the sole person offenses gameplanned for.
B- his physical tools are superior to any player he has ever played against, he should be able to physically dominate the opposition on every down
C- Peppers had better stats at UNC, and while he had a high draft pick on the line with him, it was proven that peppers made simms not the other way around. Williams had two guys to take away pressure that shouldve left him 1 on 1 to collect 20+ sacks

just my opinion, he had the tools to set every sack record in college. so when he only gets around 1 a game, you have to wonder.
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My problem with C is that Peppers showed that he was better when they were separated in the pro's. To be fair, Mario could now do the same thing if he produces while Lawson and McCargo underperform....not a great argument right now IMO. If Lawson and McCargo were to show up big for their teams in the NFL, it'd be more plausible to wonder why Mario didn't have better numbers with them helping him in college.
 
blockhead83 said:
My problem with C is that Peppers showed that he was better when they were separated in the pro's. To be fair, Mario could now do the same thing if he produces while Lawson and McCargo underperform....not a great argument right now IMO. If Lawson and McCargo were to show up big for their teams in the NFL, it'd be more plausible to wonder why Mario didn't have better numbers with them helping him in college.
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The thing with Lawson is we'll never really know because he's transitioning to linebacker isn't he. So that might always be a question mark.
 
MasterC25 said:
A- All good college D-Lineman usually has one or two good players they play with. No one ever anchors by themselves.
B- If thats the case then I am assuming that you think he should have made every tackle this past season. Even when there gameplan is to try to avoid Mario as much as possible.
C- Peppers did not have better stats look it up. It will soon be proven that Mario made all those guys better.( Not saying that the other two won't pan out) I just believed Mario allowed them to shine better by forcing the play there way. Freeney, Rice, Peppers,Strahan,Taylor none of them ever got 20+ sacks while in a college season.
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Peppers had 5 more sacks while being a 2 sport athelete, that's better in my opinion.

and about every college player having good players with them... yes thats usually true, but 3 frist round picks on a 4 man line is pretty unheard of.


I'm a fan of mario's, i hope he gets 500 sacks a game. but im certainly not going to sit here and act like the guy is absolutely perfect like some people.


and i certainly won't be happy if he just "takes up blockers" this year. his skills need to be utilized on a qb. even if lets say a team doubles him and our opposite side DE(babin or peek) is 1 on 1, i don't trust them to create much pressure. while if mario is a weakside de he will get 1 on 1 more frequently, and can cause more sakcs and fumbles.

and finally "Freeney, Rice, Peppers,Strahan,Taylor none of them ever got 20+ sacks while in a college season"
the obvious answer is what i was saying, none of them have william's amazing skillset, only peppers come even close.
 
TK_Gamer said:
maybe we need to dig up all the films of reggie bush and find all his faults. or maybe find faults in all the teams we get beat by. or maybe we should just wait tilll he plays a SINGLE FRIGGIN DOWN AS A PRO!

p.s. I think you show really poor taste going to some other teams board spouting trash, I wish i was a moderator
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You want to let me know how I am spouting off trash? (I am assuming you were directing that at me).

I never once said Mario was a bad pick, never said he would fail, never compared him or his pick to Bush, etc. How am I spouting off trash? By giving my opinion on the tape I have watched? By answering a question? Some fans just can't believe that a fan of another team (Btw, behind the Patriots and Saints, I route for Houston) can come in and have an honest opinion? I have two sisters that live in the Houston area (one in Houston and one in Sugarland). I go to Houston more than any other place I visit.

I am not trying to bash a player, I never said they should have taken Bush, I never compared him to anyone else, I simply gave an opinion on tape I watched. Lighten up a little man, you're wound too tight.
 
BigSaint8050 said:
You want to let me know how I am spouting off trash? (I am assuming you were directing that at me).

I never once said Mario was a bad pick, never said he would fail, never compared him or his pick to Bush, etc. How am I spouting off trash? By giving my opinion on the tape I have watched? By answering a question? Some fans just can't believe that a fan of another team (Btw, behind the Patriots and Saints, I route for Houston) can come in and have an honest opinion? I have two sisters that live in the Houston area (one in Houston and one in Sugarland). I go to Houston more than any other place I visit.

I am not trying to bash a player, I never said they should have taken Bush, I never compared him to anyone else, I simply gave an opinion on tape I watched. Lighten up a little man, you're wound too tight.
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Welcome to our board BigSaint8050...Not that your opinion isn't welcome here, Mario is a touchy subject since the Texans had soo much ridicule over picking Mario over Bush. I myself once wanted Bush also, but when i really did some research on Mario i knew the Texans made the right decision. He's going to be a great asset to this team.... You should read Texans_chick's research she did on Mario, it is excellent
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2006/06/the_ultimate_mario_williams_co_1.html
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogtexans/2006/06/mario_williams_compendium_part_1.html
Really excellent read on things i didn't know about Mario and some comments from ppl who have watched him as well.....Saints are my second best team as i got to watch them live here in San Antonio when they were here....Awesome group of guys and i'm sure Reggie will really help bring the revenue back to New Orleans...Good luck to you guys....
 
Add this to the Mario links:

http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor...ates/Details.cfm&StoryID=35076&Section=Sports

Great piece on Mario before the 2005 season, including this quote:

"I think in high school, if you are bigger than most people, you almost tend to lie back sometimes. I learned early that I had to go 100 percent all the time. And that's really the key to how good I will be. If I go hard all the time, every play. If I stay aggressive and intense every down. Then I think there is no limit to what I might be able to do."
 
BigSaint8050 said:
As I said in my post, the stats only tell part of the story. You need to watch the film if you are going to make judgement.

I am by no means trying to diss Williams, as I am sure some Houston fans would automatically assume with me being a Saints fan. I however have seen him play, and have watched plenty of game tape. Believe what you will, I am not trying to change peoples minds, just answering a question with my opinion.

There are pleny times during the games, especially against better schools, that Mario is one on one with tackles and TE's and he doesn't attempt to move them. Also to the poster that said he gets double teamed 80% of the time, are you unaware that he had two other 1st round picks on the same line with him? I have heard several people, including his coaches, say that he wasn't even the most talented linemen on their team (that would be John McCargo). Also he may not even have been the most athletic player on the line, some would agrue that would have been Manny Lawson (6'5-1/2 250lbs 4.4 40" verticle).

Like I said, if you are going to pass judgement at least watch the tape, that doesn't mean highlight reels someone put together.
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Unless you're part of NC State's coaching staff you don't know jack about what was going on during these plays and games that Mario was allegedly taking off. From what we hear, a lot of teams ran away from Mario and schemed to stay away from him. Also, a DE's main responsibility in most defensive gameplans is to contain the corner. So please don't come in here pretending to know something just because you DVR'ed a few games. It might pass as some sort of football knowledge in New Orleans, but doesn't really work here. Take care and good luck with Leon Bush.
 
"Taking plays off" is a speculative term if coming from anyone other than the player's head coach or coordinators, IMO. (or if the player himself said it, like Randy Moss)

All too often, the media and fans will use this term to denigrate a player, and it is something that they speak of from ignorance and/or spite. I take these opinions with a grain of salt.
 
Wolf said:
I am just curious on this phrase "taking plays off"

Mario has been described to do that..but I am wondering, by whom?
The coach, the media?

How does one know what the assignment was for a particular player? attack? hang back and cover the flat?


someone shine some light on that? If I heard it from the coach, I would understand being he knows what plays were called and what the responsibilities where of a particular player and more important a particuliar position that that point of the game
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I remember this coming up and I cannot remember exactly where Mario addressed this, but it was not until the last few games of the season where the coaching staff let him loose on the opposing offense. The times that I think people are talking about is hew just did what his coaches told him to do. So he was not too agressive kinda like playing a zone and or containment from a defensive perspective.
 
What's invariably funny about the Williams-takes-plays-off schtick is that it typically originates from the same people who will do anything to explain away Reggie Bush's being on the sideline throughout most of the Rose Bowl down the stretch last year, or the fact that when he gets tackled it was a teammate who failed to block, etc.

If you watch any length of Mario's tape (I've watched four full games of his), he doesn't really take plays off any more than any other defender ever does. He didn't have many moves last year and if he got stoned, he got stoned. You can go a game without notching a personal sack; and Williams freed up his teammates for a lot of stops on their own. I don't know where this comes from really, insofar as I watched complete games and I never really saw any evidence of it.
 
BTW, to everyone who talks about the impact of having two other first round draft picks and the fact that Mario seemed to get all his sacks in the second half of last season.....John McCargo, the relatively unknown and surprisingly good DT, was out for the last 6 games (pretty sure it was 6). So much for that attempt at a correlation.
 
Check out Texans Chick's blog here. Matt Carter from the Wolfpacker addresses this issue.

It is true Williams totaled the huge majority of his sacks late last fall. All but one actually came in the final six games of the regular season.

But Williams did produce in the first half of the year as well. For instance, in game three against North Carolina he had four tackles for losses, a sack and three quarterback pressures. One week later against Georgia Tech on the road he pressured the quarterback three more times and broke up a pass. In a win at Florida State late during the season, Williams did not record a sack, but he did have four quarterback hurries and a tackle for a loss. Williams had at least one tackle behind the line of scrimmage in seven of his 11 regular season contests.

Yes, Williams sacks did seem to come in bunches. But not many defensive ends can claim that on four different occasions they had three or more sacks in a game as Williams has done over the last two years.

Sometimes stats also don't indicate the level of Williams' dominance. In the season opener against Virginia Tech, Williams ran down speedy running back Mike Imoh from behind after chasing him from the opposite side of the field, and on another play he literally ran over tight end Jeff King, a 5th-round draft pick of the Carolina Panthers, on his way to the ball carrier. That play would be featured on NC State highlight films throughout the season.

There is a reason why before the season started Williams was selected as preseason defensive player of the year by the Blue Ribbon College Football handbook, a comprehensive preview guide for the upcoming college football season. Williams has found ways to dominate the action despite recording sacks.

Since his sophomore season Williams has faced constant double teams, mainly because when given a one-on-one chance Williams was going to get to the quarterback. He has twice been named first-team All-ACC, the same league that set a new draft record for first round picks by a conference this year.

Williams in three years holds NC State records for sacks and tackles for losses. He has started from day one at NC State, and while the overall record of the Pack during that time may not impress many people, the last two seasons NC State's defense has ranked among the top five in the country. In fact during Williams' second season in Raleigh, NC State had the top-ranked defense in college football.
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"Taking plays off" was probably something that some GM who was hoping to see Mario fall to #3 or #4 made up.:twocents:

They said the same stuff about Reggie White and Bruce Smith when they came out too.
 
TANSTAAFL said:
BTW, to everyone who talks about the impact of having two other first round draft picks and the fact that Mario seemed to get all his sacks in the second half of last season.....John McCargo, the relatively unknown and surprisingly good DT, was out for the last 6 games (pretty sure it was 6). So much for that attempt at a correlation.
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From the Bills site

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=122669

2005 SEASON
Started the first six games at left defensive tackle…Suffered a stress fracture in his left foot vs. Wake Forest that required surgery on October 28th, sitting out the final six contests…

You're right. It wouldn't make much sense for the Mario bashers to bring up McCargo.
 
The way I see it is, if Mario Williams was great because other teammates helped him be better because of their talent, well then he should do the same with Weaver helping him this year too.
 
After reading all the replies I could stand, I believe we need to look at the fact that that Mario is joining Payne & Smith ( in the middle ) and Babin on the other side, and if you watched the games you would see teams did not run at Babin, or at least not effectively, so Mario will be picked on by coaches early till he stops the run then you have to run up the middle against two strong tackles or at Jason, as I have pointed out, teams stopped doing that because of the poor results. Our D-Line also has Kalu and Travis, ( Peek is too small to put on the line ) so when Richard Smith's "HOUSE OF PAIN" returns, the rest of the NFL will see a great team defense.

And that is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Kubiak
 
stevo3883 said:
well honestly I don't see how you can't wonder about his consistency when you look at all the factors:

A- he had two other first round picks on the line, he wasn't ever the sole person offenses gameplanned for.
B- his physical tools are superior to any player he has ever played against, he should be able to physically dominate the opposition on every down
C- Peppers had better stats at UNC, and while he had a high draft pick on the line with him, it was proven that peppers made simms not the other way around. Williams had two guys to take away pressure that shouldve left him 1 on 1 to collect 20+ sacks

just my opinion, he had the tools to set every sack record in college. so when he only gets around 1 a game, you have to wonder.
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I love this.....

I'm not a Mario expert, but I have had a chance to watch him since the combine, lots of highlights, and I've read just about everything I could on the guy since we announced he would be our #1 pick.......

The guy is amazing. Teams are going to gameplan away from him, and inflate the numbers of DemecoRyans & Babin/Peek on the other end...... Weaver is going to get double digit sacks from the inside...... Mario's stats are going to look like crap come december........

But teams are going to realize they can't double Mario, because other guys are getting off....... so they'll try to double weever, they'll account for our weekside linebacker...... and let Mario go one on one against some poor sap. He's going to have multiple sacks in every game in December, and earn his bonus for 12 sacks in a season...

Yep, basically I'm saying while Julius Peppers was so dominating, his presence on the field made one other guy a first round draft pick........ Mario made two other guys first rounders.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yep, basically I'm saying while Julius Peppers was so dominating, his presence on the field made one other guy a first round draft pick........ Mario made two other guys first rounders.
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to be fair, this might be true of mccargo, but lawson got drafted because of his athleticism (250lb running a 4.4)
 
stevo3883 said:
to be fair, this might be true of mccargo, but lawson got drafted because of his athleticism (250lb running a 4.4)
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Lawson got drafted so high for his leadership skills also. I never saw his wonderlic, but he's brighter then the average football player.

I just looked at the 49ers site, 43 out of 50. That doesn't mean as much as just talking to him ( or seeing him talk ). I was so hoping something would have happened like a minor injury and we could have picked him up also.

It's not like DeMeco is a slob though.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Check out Texans Chick's blog here. Matt Carter from the Wolfpacker addresses this issue.



"Taking plays off" was probably something that some GM who was hoping to see Mario fall to #3 or #4 made up.:twocents:

They said the same stuff about Reggie White and Bruce Smith when they came out too.
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....well......I won't be arguing with that. Good example of setting the record straight with facts. Feel free to report here, anytime.
 
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