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Man, reading the interviews with Kubiak is like a breath of fresh air. He seems to be a straight shooter who doesn't dance around things. It just seems like he is pushing this team and putting it all on the line and the players seem to be responding to it and gaining confidence again. Is it football season yet? :drool:
 
I've heard the offense has really struggled so far. This confirms what I'm hearing although I guess I should expect this.
 
The offense has alot of bad habits to get rid of and they've only been at if for a week. I wouldnt expect them to look very good at all this early.
 
Vinny said:
I've heard the offense has really struggled so far. This confirms what I'm hearing although I guess I should expect this.
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Yes, Vinny you have to learn to crawl before you can walk. I keep saying the previous staff did so much harm its beyond belief. They are having to unlearn what they were taught before.

Another factor is the defense is going to be a lot better than before. This means that if our offense gets productive it should be a very good one. The O-line I believe is working against a very good defensive line and defense. The defense is smart and they know what is coming in many instances.

What you are saying could be a good or bad sign, Vinny. We will just have to wait and see. If our defense turns out to be really bad, then we are in a lot of trouble both ways. If our defense turns out to be very good, then we are better than we think offensively. It really is up in the air at this point in time.
 
"I’ve been hard on him, but I expect a lot from him,” Kubiak said. “As I told him today, that’s the way I’m going to stay and that’s the way we’re going to work because you’re going to play well for this team. I’m going to keep pushing him, and he wants to be pushed. He’s responsive to all of that. How David Carr goes is probably how this team is going to go, so we have to get him going right.”

It's good to hear that the pressure will be on Carr to play well, as Kubiak echos a thought many posters have discussed-- how Carr goes is probably how the team goes. I'm still wandering how he'll respond if Carr is having a bad game--in his 4 yrs, Carr has never been pulled because of performance, just injuries. Too, Kubiak talks in this article about not saving 'anything,' doing whatever it takes to win. This point was in reference to having several return men (including Robinson) and using the best one for a particular situation, without regard to a 'regular' getting hurt. I suspect Kubiak feels he has a better chance of teaching an established 'position' player to return punts/kick offs than trying to teach a 'specialist' like Mathis to learn a skilled position. Is there something going on here?

Kubiak cut the practice short and dismissed them until Tuesday, rewarding them for their hard work. Pitts made a comment on 610 a couple weeks ago that Capers had a set amount of time for everything, including the length of practices and mettings. He says players often became frustrated because-even if they finished the work early-they were not allowed to leave until the allotted time was up.

Finally, it was interesting to read info on how the players are being taught the new playbook. I suspect fans are going to be given a 'ton' of information/insight into the 'going ons' of the team, not kept 'in the dark' like previous years!:yahoo:
 
Anyone notice we're not scrimmaging with anyone, seems more like a business then a party with Kubiak


Coach Gary Kubiak said he has an open-door policy during summer workouts. Practices will be closed during the regular season, though.

"I told David and the whole team everybody is welcome this time of year." Kubiak said. "Family, friends, whatever. Let them come out and see what you do. Then when we get started, our practices will be closed. That's just the way we'll do things." :bananasplit:
 
Ibar_Harry said:
Kubiak gives his summary on Carr and others....

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2607

He certainly has a different view of Carr than many on this message board. Sounds a lot like I have been saying, but we will have to wait and see.
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Kubiak is saying the same things the true Carr critics have been saying. "How David Carr goes is probably how this team is going to go, so we have to get him going right.”

Meaning he is not going right, right now. Carr has not played well, or as well as expected... considering the situation he was in, he could have played better. That's all that people like Vinny has been saying for years....

Carr's got talent.... he's got a strong arm... he's intelligent, and he's tough.... but he's been screwing the pooch for quite some time. Can he be taught to take a team to the SuperBowl?? yes...... but if you were to give Kubiak a team with Kelly Holcomb, Joey Harrington, Charlie Batch, Tim Couch, Anthony Wright, or Aaron Brooks, he'd say the same thing.... assuming that they are halfway intelligent, because none of us really know without sitting down with them one on one.
 
I've posted before that I think defenses have an advantage at this time of the year just because of the nature of offense vs. defense. However, if Kubiak is judging the offense compare to where he thinks the offense should be, then I'm sure he'll get their attention and get it up to speed.
 
Vinny said:
I've heard the offense has really struggled so far. This confirms what I'm hearing although I guess I should expect this.
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To be expected. As a team they are lightyears behind even average NFL teams in regards to coaching.

And you have to love the way Kubiak addresses the media. It feels like everything is being being disclosed and players are being held accountable, publicly.
 
“I’ve learned that he’s a tough young man,” Kubiak said. “He’s been through a lot. He’s been on the ground a little bit through the past few years. It would be easy to say, ‘Hey, well, there’s nothing I could do there. Or that wasn’t my fault.’ He doesn’t operate that way. He takes a lot upon himself. He’s a hard worker. There’s nothing about David that you’re not looking for as a coach. He comes out here ready to go every day.”
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Hard work ALWAYS pays off.:cool:
 
I think Kubiak is just stating the obvious here, so as to give the media some kind of answer they want. Any team goes the way of its QB, which is why there's a QB problem with most of the teams that are unsuccessful. We all know Carr hasn't played as well as we'd like, those who support Carr just feel that he hasn't been given the chance to succeed that he should get in this new system.
 
TheCD said:
I think Kubiak is just stating the obvious here, so as to give the media some kind of answer they want. Any team goes the way of its QB, which is why there's a QB problem with most of the teams that are unsuccessful. We all know Carr hasn't played as well as we'd like, those who support Carr just feel that he hasn't been given the chance to succeed that he should get in this new system.
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And it insults everyone's intelligence, when this argument is brought up. There are times, when Carr has less than 2 seconds to get a play off... it is understandable in this situation, to take a sack.

Unless..... you are looking right at them. I don't have a problem, if he takes this sack.. could be worse... but.. you're taking that hit anyway...... throw the ball over AJs head, into the stands..... I know it isn't as easy as it sounds, but it can be done.

Teams won't sell out on the Blitz everyother down, unless there was a huge possibility of a huge reward....... negative 5 yards + a sack........ you won't be able to stop them from coming. If they are just getting knock downs, and the QB is just getting back up, ready to make the next play..... a 2nd & 10, or a 3rd & 10......

But if chances are good that you'll be looking at 2nd & 15....... then 3rd & 20... trust me, the blitz is coming.


What's even worse...... we implemented 3 step, and even 1 step drops to get the ball out of David's hands quicker..... what was the result?? he still took the sack........ When your foot hits the ground, on your 3rd step, or your fist step(depending on the situation) the ball goes..... taking the sack is no option. you throw it at the reciever..... if you're good, and can recognize that he is covered well, you throw it over his head, or at his feet.

Trust me, I don't want to bash David Carr... but if that's the best he can do, after doing the same thing for 4 years..... If there is a QB in the league, who should know how to play in a collapsing poket, it's David Carr.

Let's say you're watching a kid learning to ride a bike. It's got a training wheel on the left side. None on the right..... if that kid keeps leaning to the right side, and keeps falling........ after three years....... wouldn't you think there is some kind of problem there?? True, the bike is flawed, and not conducive to learning how to ride...... but the kid ain't all there either.

David Carr has a lot of plusses as well. But if you think he did the best he could last year, or the year before for that matter......... then I hope like hell you're wrong.
 
thunderkyss said:
And it insults everyone's intelligence, when this argument is brought up. There are times, when Carr has less than 2 seconds to get a play off... it is understandable in this situation, to take a sack.

Unless..... you are looking right at them. I don't have a problem, if he takes this sack.. could be worse... but.. you're taking that hit anyway...... throw the ball over AJs head, into the stands..... I know it isn't as easy as it sounds, but it can be done.

Teams won't sell out on the Blitz everyother down, unless there was a huge possibility of a huge reward....... negative 5 yards + a sack........ you won't be able to stop them from coming. If they are just getting knock downs, and the QB is just getting back up, ready to make the next play..... a 2nd & 10, or a 3rd & 10......

But if chances are good that you'll be looking at 2nd & 15....... then 3rd & 20... trust me, the blitz is coming.


What's even worse...... we implemented 3 step, and even 1 step drops to get the ball out of David's hands quicker..... what was the result?? he still took the sack........ When your foot hits the ground, on your 3rd step, or your fist step(depending on the situation) the ball goes..... taking the sack is no option. you throw it at the reciever..... if you're good, and can recognize that he is covered well, you throw it over his head, or at his feet.

Trust me, I don't want to bash David Carr... but if that's the best he can do, after doing the same thing for 4 years..... If there is a QB in the league, who should know how to play in a collapsing poket, it's David Carr.

Let's say you're watching a kid learning to ride a bike. It's got a training wheel on the left side. None on the right..... if that kid keeps leaning to the right side, and keeps falling........ after three years....... wouldn't you think there is some kind of problem there?? True, the bike is flawed, and not conducive to learning how to ride...... but the kid ain't all there either.

David Carr has a lot of plusses as well. But if you think he did the best he could last year, or the year before for that matter......... then I hope like hell you're wrong.
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The problem with this arguement is its rational and what you would expect you want your QB to do. I have said for a long time I believe Capers and company wanted Carr to hold on to the ball at all possible cost to kill time on the clock. I have felt they wanted him to take the sack to run time off the clock. They did not want him to throw the ball away because it will kill the clock. If you look at that way you may understand why he was doing what he did.

It was part of the keep it close and we will get them at the last second philosophy. I believe the previous staff destroyed the offensive unit and taught them how not to play football.
 
thunderkyss said:
And it insults everyone's intelligence, when this argument is brought up. There are times, when Carr has less than 2 seconds to get a play off... it is understandable in this situation, to take a sack.

Unless..... you are looking right at them. I don't have a problem, if he takes this sack.. could be worse... but.. you're taking that hit anyway...... throw the ball over AJs head, into the stands..... I know it isn't as easy as it sounds, but it can be done.

Teams won't sell out on the Blitz everyother down, unless there was a huge possibility of a huge reward....... negative 5 yards + a sack........ you won't be able to stop them from coming. If they are just getting knock downs, and the QB is just getting back up, ready to make the next play..... a 2nd & 10, or a 3rd & 10......

But if chances are good that you'll be looking at 2nd & 15....... then 3rd & 20... trust me, the blitz is coming.


What's even worse...... we implemented 3 step, and even 1 step drops to get the ball out of David's hands quicker..... what was the result?? he still took the sack........ When your foot hits the ground, on your 3rd step, or your fist step(depending on the situation) the ball goes..... taking the sack is no option. you throw it at the reciever..... if you're good, and can recognize that he is covered well, you throw it over his head, or at his feet.

Trust me, I don't want to bash David Carr... but if that's the best he can do, after doing the same thing for 4 years..... If there is a QB in the league, who should know how to play in a collapsing poket, it's David Carr.

Let's say you're watching a kid learning to ride a bike. It's got a training wheel on the left side. None on the right..... if that kid keeps leaning to the right side, and keeps falling........ after three years....... wouldn't you think there is some kind of problem there?? True, the bike is flawed, and not conducive to learning how to ride...... but the kid ain't all there either.

David Carr has a lot of plusses as well. But if you think he did the best he could last year, or the year before for that matter......... then I hope like hell you're wrong.
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The other point I would make against this is that our receiver core execept for AJ was basically worthless. That is evidenced by what has happened to that group this year. Basically they were all fired except for AJ and replaced with a new core. There was a reason for that and you will see it when the season starts. Carr basically had no one to throw to and the other teams knew who they had to cover. There was no guessing when you played the Texans.
 
Obviously last year the WHOLE team had a problem, not just David. It was called "Bad Coaching". Kubiak is a breath of fresh air. He is a coach that demands respect and gets it because he gives it too. Everyone that has ever been on any kind of sports team knows the importance of the coach. You will go above and beyond to play your best for a coach that respects you, knows what he is doing, and is fair. Not too mention we have several in each position waiting to take over, competition is good. I love Kubiak's attitude and I see everything going in the right direction. :fans:
 
Ibar_Harry said:
I have said for a long time I believe Capers and company wanted Carr to hold on to the ball at all possible cost to kill time on the clock. I have felt they wanted him to take the sack to run time off the clock. They did not want him to throw the ball away because it will kill the clock. If you look at that way you may understand why he was doing what he did.

It was part of the keep it close and we will get them at the last second philosophy. I believe the previous staff destroyed the offensive unit and taught them how not to play football.
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Good point here. Maybe it was Capers telling Carr to run out of bounds 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage and not throw the ball away. It's all starting to make sense now.

Coach Capers... I mean Bobo... can you shed some light on this for us?
 
Ibar_Harry said:
The problem with this arguement is its rational and what you would expect you want your QB to do. I have said for a long time I believe Capers and company wanted Carr to hold on to the ball at all possible cost to kill time on the clock. I have felt they wanted him to take the sack to run time off the clock. They did not want him to throw the ball away because it will kill the clock. If you look at that way you may understand why he was doing what he did.

It was part of the keep it close and we will get them at the last second philosophy. I believe the previous staff destroyed the offensive unit and taught them how not to play football.
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running out of bounds with the ball in his hands.. behind the line of scrimmage.... I'll buy that, with this argument. But take a sack to run out the clock....... if David agreed to that crap, then he needs to go..... he shouldn't be allowed to watch practice, or have any football related discussions. I understand giving up your body, and taking one for the team....... but c'mon...
Ibar_Harry said:
The other point I would make against this is that our receiver core execept for AJ was basically worthless. That is evidenced by what has happened to that group this year. Basically they were all fired except for AJ and replaced with a new core. There was a reason for that and you will see it when the season starts. Carr basically had no one to throw to and the other teams knew who they had to cover. There was no guessing when you played the Texans.
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Hence, I said over AJ's head. With a 1 step/3 step drop, there is no reading a progression. you know who you are throwing the ball to before the ball is snapped....... so it doesn't matter how good/poor our other recievers are.
 
thunderkyss said:
running out of bounds with the ball in his hands.. behind the line of scrimmage.... I'll buy that, with this argument. But take a sack to run out the clock....... if David agreed to that crap, then he needs to go..... he shouldn't be allowed to watch practice, or have any football related discussions. I understand giving up your body, and taking one for the team....... but c'mon...


Hence, I said over AJ's head. With a 1 step/3 step drop, there is no reading a progression. you know who you are throwing the ball to before the ball is snapped....... so it doesn't matter how good/poor our other recievers are.
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David has always been a do what the coach says guy. He's very much a company man. So while you find it hard to understand, I truely believe that was the case. Again everything done last year was done to minimize the amount of time the other team had to score. We were trying to kill the clock in every imaginable way we could. Incompleted passes stop the clock and don't help you kill the clock.

Remember, Kubiak commented early on that Carr had to learn to get out of the huddle and to the line quicker. Why was that so, because in the old offense they were to leave the huddle as late as possible to kill the clock. That's why we also had a number of delay penalties. They didn't want David to read what the defense was doing. They didn't want him to change the play. Yes, the prior staff was that bad. They tied the hands of the offense.
 
Coach Kubiak is a no b.s. item. Sounds like he's a fair minded fellow, but won't tolerate nonsense when the rubber meets the road.

I don't know how much outsiders can distract players, but this policy will be sure to remove any doubts about the subject.
 
Thanks for the article link, Ibar!

It is a breath of fresh air to hear our HC saying these things. But it also brings home the flip side of the coin: this is DC's make or break year. If Kubiak installs a systems that sets up our QB properly, then the pressure truly is on Carr (even though there are 10 other players).

I hope we can put to rest the on-going argument about our offensive leader after this season. For better or for worse, we should have a clear idea of what DC is all about.
 
Double Barrel said:
Thanks for the article link, Ibar!

It is a breath of fresh air to hear our HC saying these things. But it also brings home the flip side of the coin: this is DC's make or break year. If Kubiak installs a systems that sets up our QB properly, then the pressure truly is on Carr (even though there are 10 other players).

I hope we can put to rest the on-going argument about our offensive leader after this season. For better or for worse, we should have a clear idea of what DC is all about.
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I agree, but I to have my doubts simply because of what the previous staff did to our offensive players. If anyone can help Carr its Kubiak. Its like being back in the 1st grade and starting all over again.

We are working on the offensive line and we now have a receiving core. The funny part of it is that what is Kubiak's strength is running and that might be our weakest part of the game offensively at this point in time. DD says he will be healthy, but they are not exactly acting that way. I think Lundy has a lot of potential, but he's young.

I keep wondering if we will be much more of a passing team than most expect. Our strength may well lie with our receiving Core. Remember, in the years of Montana the 49ers were a pass 1st then run offense. Their running game was successful when they established the passing game. There are two ways to approach the problem.
 
thunderkyss said:
What's even worse...... we implemented 3 step, and even 1 step drops to get the ball out of David's hands quicker..... what was the result?? he still took the sack........ When your foot hits the ground, on your 3rd step, or your fist step(depending on the situation) the ball goes..... taking the sack is no option. you throw it at the reciever..... if you're good, and can recognize that he is covered well, you throw it over his head, or at his feet.
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I understand what you're saying here, but I disagree entirely. If he were to have thown the ball away immediately following a 1 and 3 step drop, he wouldn't have completed at least 40% of his throws. It's his job to wait for the defense to provide a hole. Had he done what you suggested, he would be out of the league right now due to a 60 QB rating from so many throw-aways. We all know he's tough...so I'd rather him take the sack trying to wait for something to happen than to throw it away if nothing is there the second he finishes his drop.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
David has always been a do what the coach says guy. He's very much a company man. So while you find it hard to understand, I truely believe that was the case. Again everything done last year was done to minimize the amount of time the other team had to score. We were trying to kill the clock in every imaginable way we could. Incompleted passes stop the clock and don't help you kill the clock.

Remember, Kubiak commented early on that Carr had to learn to get out of the huddle and to the line quicker. Why was that so, because in the old offense they were to leave the huddle as late as possible to kill the clock. That's why we also had a number of delay penalties. They didn't want David to read what the defense was doing. They didn't want him to change the play. Yes, the prior staff was that bad. They tied the hands of the offense.
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For the record, I want to say that I believe David Carr is "good enough" to win us a SuperBowl........ I see a lot of Drew Bledsoe in him..... & that's not a bad thing.

But I think your observations...... your reasoning...... is unhealthy.

They wasted time in the huddle... took those delay of games, because they didn't know what they were doing. The offensive staff mostly. David may had to spend a few seconds with, "I know this isn't going to work, but this is what we're going to do....... do the best you can, and hope for the best" kinda arguments with his team..... but it wasn't to keep him from reading the D or changing the plays... If you got a guy that will take a sack because a coach tells him to, you don't have to worry about him reading a defense, or changing a play.......

However, Kubiak saying that Carr had to learn to get out of the Huddle, to me indicates it was a Carr problem...... not a staff problem. He could have said, "Well, we're going to get Carr out of the Huddle earlier, so he can do the things he needs to be doing" instead of putting it the way he did. This is 100% speculation, but IMHO, more logical than your speculation.
 
TheCD said:
I understand what you're saying here, but I disagree entirely. If he were to have thown the ball away immediately following a 1 and 3 step drop, he wouldn't have completed at least 40% of his throws. It's his job to wait for the defense to provide a hole. Had he done what you suggested, he would be out of the league right now due to a 60 QB rating from so many throw-aways. We all know he's tough...so I'd rather him take the sack trying to wait for something to happen than to throw it away if nothing is there the second he finishes his drop.
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not every play was a 3 step drop........ not every play was a 1 step drop. & if we can make an excuse that would allow him to take a "David Carr" sack, loosing us 5 yards, I'm sure we can make excuses to allow a 60 QB rating(2002, 2003) and coming back & reloading on 2nd & 3rd down.
 
thunderkyss said:
For the record, I want to say that I believe David Carr is "good enough" to win us a SuperBowl........ I see a lot of Drew Bledsoe in him..... & that's not a bad thing.

But I think your observations...... your reasoning...... is unhealthy.

They wasted time in the huddle... took those delay of games, because they didn't know what they were doing. The offensive staff mostly. David may had to spend a few seconds with, "I know this isn't going to work, but this is what we're going to do....... do the best you can, and hope for the best" kinda arguments with his team..... but it wasn't to keep him from reading the D or changing the plays... If you got a guy that will take a sack because a coach tells him to, you don't have to worry about him reading a defense, or changing a play.......

However, Kubiak saying that Carr had to learn to get out of the Huddle, to me indicates it was a Carr problem...... not a staff problem. He could have said, "Well, we're going to get Carr out of the Huddle earlier, so he can do the things he needs to be doing" instead of putting it the way he did. This is 100% speculation, but IMHO, more logical than your speculation.
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I believe based on the previous coaching philosophy I'm right, but time will tell. You have your opinion and I have mine. My real hope is Carr has a great year and I think he will.
 
BigDTexansFan said:
Anyone notice we're not scrimmaging with anyone, seems more like a business then a party with Kubiak
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I agree it seems more like they are practicing rather than putting on a sideshow but...we never scrimmaged until training camp began so we still may bring in the Broncos or someone else to fire off against before the preseason. Wait and see I guess.
 
Exascor said:
I agree it seems more like they are practicing rather than putting on a sideshow but...we never scrimmaged until training camp began so we still may bring in the Broncos or someone else to fire off against before the preseason. Wait and see I guess.
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I thought the only scrimmages last year were during preseason when they had the Broncos and Raiders in for co-op practices during the week before their game??
 
MorKnolle said:
I thought the only scrimmages last year were during preseason when they had the Broncos and Raiders in for co-op practices during the week before their game??
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Yeah you're probably right. My point is the same though. :tease: We've never had a scrimmage this early.
 
I like that Kubiak is calling people out that aren't performing. Such a breath of fresh air! When coaches are tough, players either respond or shut down. These next couple of months should be interesting because we will see a lot of movement in the depth chart.
 
thunderkyss said:
However, Kubiak saying that Carr had to learn to get out of the Huddle, to me indicates it was a Carr problem...... not a staff problem. He could have said, "Well, we're going to get Carr out of the Huddle earlier, so he can do the things he needs to be doing" instead of putting it the way he did. This is 100% speculation, but IMHO, more logical than your speculation.
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This could very well be true...but, it could also be a coaching philosophy. Capers was big on "ball control", which is supposed to translate into consuming time off the clock. Of course, this philosophy entirely depends on having an offense that can consistently pound out long drives and keep the game close (something we obviously never had).

But I can't even begin to count how many times Capers said we "play not to lose the game", meaning keep the game close until the 4th quarter, then try to win at the end.

So while the huddle delay could be Carr's fault, it could also be a combination of coaching (mis)management and QB uncertainty. After all, how long can it take to call a dump pass play in the huddle? idonno:
 
No way to know what any of this press means.....and we probably won't ever find out. But the leaps to conclusions in this thread are long and don't seem to be clearing anything up, no disrespect intended. If you consider the things that Kubiak has said about players throughout the preseason, it seems to be something of a chess game. A nudge here, a kind word there. It appears that the only reasonably clear impression you get is that Kubes has his hands totally on the heartbeat of this team and he's doing what a master teacher does.....he's modifying the instruction to fit the moment.

But....he cuts when he needs to....but I don't think anyone has expected those when they occurred. He's completely caught people off guard to some degree.

Hell of a coach if you ask me......let the mystery continue
 
The interview gives the impression of a man with a regimented Aggie mindset whose worked behind the Van Gundy of NFL head coaches. Actually Shanahan makes Van Gundy look like Shecky Greene. Shouldn't be surprised Kubiak comes off like this. Did you note his comment about punt returning. People are all wringing their hands because punt returning is dangerous and his quote is:

“We’re going to put the best guys back there,” Kubiak said. “I’m not worried about protecting this guy or that guy. If that’s the best guy back there on game day-if that’s Dunta, if that’s Jerome, if that’s Phillip-whoever helps us win the game, that’s who we’re going to put back there. There’s no saving. The best one is going to play.”

Cut and dried. No quavering. No holding back. The player is expected to play. I like that.

The thing you really have to be mad about is the job Casserly and Capers. did. They totally sucked. These high round draft picks keep falling by the wayside. I just knew TJ was going to flop. He never impressed in his media interviews and now he's third on the depth chart behind non roster invitees? That's just great. I hate to say it but he's just another flop DL from Florida State. Is this guy Bunkley from Florida State? Watch what he does. I know there's been a few highly touted DL before TJ that came from Florida State and were utter busts in the NFL. In fact I remember hearing that right after they drafted this guy and thought that figures.

Then of course we cut Ragone. 3rd round. Fabulous. I hear Peek is a tweener that can't hold off a block on the run and that's why he's not going to start. Babin's looked lost for the 1st year (or has it already been 2 OMG). Both possesors of the dreaded T word. Tweeners. Man nothing against these players but the people drafting them were idiots.

Man I feel for Kubiak. His draft this year will probably go down as their best draft to date by a wide margin. I suspect Casserly didn't have too much input in most of the choices to which I say good.
 
Double Barrel said:
This could very well be true...but, it could also be a coaching philosophy. Capers was big on "ball control", which is supposed to translate into consuming time off the clock. Of course, this philosophy entirely depends on having an offense that can consistently pound out long drives and keep the game close (something we obviously never had).

But I can't even begin to count how many times Capers said we "play not to lose the game", meaning keep the game close until the 4th quarter, then try to win at the end.

So while the huddle delay could be Carr's fault, it could also be a combination of coaching (mis)management and QB uncertainty. After all, how long can it take to call a dump pass play in the huddle? idonno:
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They were pretty much always late out of the huddle and I maintain it was by design. I know its hard for some to believe that was the plan, but it was. I maintain they did not want Carr to audible on the play and he was to have as little time as possible to do it. We will see what this year brings. The new offense may well provide us with answers. According to some Carr was having to make more decisions than most QB's with the inept offense we were running. That's hard to believe, but they say its true.
 
"According to some Carr was having to make more decisions than most QB's with the inept offense we were running. That's hard to believe, but they say its true."

Capers was not a 'user/player friendly coach.' nor were his asst. I remember when Palmer started coaching/installing his offensive playbook and said it would be a few seasons before it all was installed. Fangio was the same way on defense. In the end (our 4th year), our complicated playbooks produced offenses and defenses ranked at or near the bottom. Ironically, the basic premises of the offense and defense are simple-- offense scores points, defense limits points. Certainly, we could all have looked at the playbooks differently if they had achieved 'desired' results but-as we know too well-that did not happen...
 
kingh99 said:
The thing you really have to be mad about is the job Casserly and Capers. did. They totally sucked. These high round draft picks keep falling by the wayside. I just knew TJ was going to flop. He never impressed in his media interviews and now he's third on the depth chart behind non roster invitees? That's just great. I hate to say it but he's just another flop DL from Florida State. Is this guy Bunkley from Florida State? Watch what he does. I know there's been a few highly touted DL before TJ that came from Florida State and were utter busts in the NFL. In fact I remember hearing that right after they drafted this guy and thought that figures.
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Pretty good call. There was a stretch in the late 90's to around 2001 where Florida St had a handful of DL go in the 1st round. Corey Simon and the 2 Boulwares turned out alright, but the rest didn't pan out that well ( didn't look at them all that closely ). So it's not quite that bad to be considered tainted. Plus the Boulwares are really tweeners too.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
Yes, Vinny you have to learn to crawl before you can walk. I keep saying the previous staff did so much harm its beyond belief. They are having to unlearn what they were taught before.

Another factor is the defense is going to be a lot better than before. This means that if our offense gets productive it should be a very good one. The O-line I believe is working against a very good defensive line and defense. The defense is smart and they know what is coming in many instances.

What you are saying could be a good or bad sign, Vinny. We will just have to wait and see. If our defense turns out to be really bad, then we are in a lot of trouble both ways. If our defense turns out to be very good, then we are better than we think offensively. It really is up in the air at this point in time.
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The "previous staff" took these guys to a 7-9 record in 2004, just one game under .500 in just the third year. It's amazing how we get from that to "the previous staff did so much harm its (sic) beyond belief." Seems like folks are already making excuses for Kubiak before he's even coached one preseason game.
 
the wonger need food said:
To be expected. As a team they are lightyears behind even average NFL teams in regards to coaching.

And you have to love the way Kubiak addresses the media. It feels like everything is being being disclosed and players are being held accountable, publicly.
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Poor Bellicik. He never has managed to figure out how to address the media. All he has are those SB trophies. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
 
Texanfan4ever said:
Obviously last year the WHOLE team had a problem, not just David. It was called "Bad Coaching". Kubiak is a breath of fresh air. He is a coach that demands respect and gets it because he gives it too. Everyone that has ever been on any kind of sports team knows the importance of the coach. You will go above and beyond to play your best for a coach that respects you, knows what he is doing, and is fair. Not too mention we have several in each position waiting to take over, competition is good. I love Kubiak's attitude and I see everything going in the right direction. :fans:
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Bad coaching. Hmm. Do you call "bad coaching" taking a team from scratch to within a game of .500 in just the third year of existence and winning two straight away games at the end of that third season while giving up a total of just five points? Hmmm ... yep, I think we could use a wholllle lot more of that "bad coaching," doncha think?
 
>The thing you really have to be mad about is the job Casserly and Capers. did. They totally sucked. These high round draft picks keep falling by the >wayside.

Doncha think you should be blaming Kubiak for this, not Casserly and Capers?
 
the wonger need food said:
To be expected. As a team they are lightyears behind even average NFL teams in regards to coaching.
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If you are talking about the current regime, I tend to agree.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
They were pretty much always late out of the huddle and I maintain it was by design. I know its hard for some to believe that was the plan, but it was. I maintain they did not want Carr to audible on the play and he was to have as little time as possible to do it. We will see what this year brings. The new offense may well provide us with answers. According to some Carr was having to make more decisions than most QB's with the inept offense we were running. That's hard to believe, but they say its true.
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OK....... first we have a quarterback who will take a sack, because the coach tells him that is the best thing to do..... clock management. Then we have them in the huddle wasting time, because we don't think he'll follow our directive of not changing the play... 208 sacks, and we question if he's going to go against our wishes??........ Then we know he can't call a play..... the coaches do that kid..... sorry..... he can't call an audible... nope, not allowed...... but we are going to ask him to make more decisions than most QB's?? get real......

The thing you're getting that from, is that they said they were going to ask Carr to do less. Look at one guy, he's not open, look to the next guy, he's not open, look to the next guy, he's not open, look for the dump off.. he's not open, throw it into the stands....... that's what they are going to ask David to do. It is less than what he has been doing, because he's been botching it.

David has been looking at one guy... if he's not open, keep looking at him, and wait for him to get open...... he's not open, keep looking at him and wait for him to get open.... he's not open, ok well run around a little bit, and wait for him to get open..... he's not open, ok run towards the sideline, and see if he can get open.... still not open, okay, run up field towards the first down.....

What could he have possibly been doing that was not expected of a regular NFL QB??
 
thunderkyss said:
OK....... first we have a quarterback who will take a sack, because the coach tells him that is the best thing to do..... clock management. Then we have them in the huddle wasting time, because we don't think he'll follow our directive of not changing the play... 208 sacks, and we question if he's going to go against our wishes??........ Then we know he can't call a play..... the coaches do that kid..... sorry..... he can't call an audible... nope, not allowed...... but we are going to ask him to make more decisions than most QB's?? get real......

The thing you're getting that from, is that they said they were going to ask Carr to do less. Look at one guy, he's not open, look to the next guy, he's not open, look to the next guy, he's not open, look for the dump off.. he's not open, throw it into the stands....... that's what they are going to ask David to do. It is less than what he has been doing, because he's been botching it.

David has been looking at one guy... if he's not open, keep looking at him, and wait for him to get open...... he's not open, keep looking at him and wait for him to get open.... he's not open, ok well run around a little bit, and wait for him to get open..... he's not open, ok run towards the sideline, and see if he can get open.... still not open, okay, run up field towards the first down.....

What could he have possibly been doing that was not expected of a regular NFL QB??
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More than you could imagine. You have no idea of the mentality of the previous coaching staff. That's all I'm going to say.
 
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