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Looking Ahead - 2007 Draft

HeartofHouston

HeartofHouston

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I know it's a little pre-mature for this topic to even be posted but I'm bored and I was just curious and what you guys think..

Okay 2007 Draft who do you see us going after with our 1st Round Pick??

Me personally i have a couple of situational picks...

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1 - Lets just say that david Carr doesnt pan out well in this offense or for some reason just cant pick it up.. then likely we'll have a top 10 pick.

We should be taking a long look at Brady Quinn (Notre Dame) or Brian Brohm (Louisville).. If David Carr is struggling or is not picking up the offense using the high first rounder on one of these guys will let Carr know that either: "You Get With The Program or You're Outta Here" and it could either ignite a fire under Carr that gives him a Drew Brees "resurrection" season...

or it could eat away at him and if that's the case we have our QB of the future that was been learning the system and coming along slowly ready to get into the starting lineup and David Carr is now trade bait and I know for sure that we can get something on the first day for a very tough smart QB David Carr.
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2 - If things turn out a little better and it's not Carr's Fault let's just say that it was the defense that just wasnt coming along for whatever reason. We end up with a middle to late 1st round pick.. Then we have a few options..

S LaRon Landry (LSU) or CB Leon Hall (Mich) or S Brandon Merriweather (The U) or CB Daymeion Hughes (Cal) any of these guys could be a upgrade over our DBs (minus D-Rob). Landry is back for his senior year.. he was already considered the best safety last year, now imagine if he stays healthy he could end up being better this year. Leon Hall was crowned by Michigan coaches as the best Defensive Player since Charles Woodson left the program.

Our 2nd Cornerback position is looking a little iffy and we could bring one of these guys in and have them fight it out with Faggins or McKenzie for the spot. At the Safety position Glenn Earl has been solid for us so the SS is not a need so we go to FS where Merriwheather has been an absolute monster since Sean Taylor left the position.
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3 - Lets just say for some reason the running game is just not adding up for some reason (which is highly unlikely- "come on it's Coack Kube's system) or let's say that DD cant stay healthy again but we end up in the middle to lower half of the first round.. because of good Qb and good defense..

Micheal Bush (Louisville), Marshawn Lynch (Cal) and Antonio Pittman (OSU - Jr) could possibly fall to the middle-late first. Bush is an absolute Monster at 6'3 248lbs and runs a 4.53 this guy could absolutely punish LB and DBs when they come in for the tackle. Bush hits the hole with authority. Lynch is a not as big but he is smart and instinctive. Antonio Pittman is FAST... he doesnt do a lot of dancing he just gets the ball and runs right pass people.
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4 - Finally lets say that everything turns out well we end up with the bottom quarter of the first round.. we could trade out of the first and pick up and extra 2nd and 3rd.

2 - OT Gosder Cherilus (BC), CB Fred Bennett (SCSU)
3 - HB Tyrone Moss (The U) and BPA

We could possibly still add starters and add depth by doing this in the up and coming draft..

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Once again I know this is pre-mature. But just for laughs and giggles and to keep our eyes open on the up and coming talent.. what do you guys think?.. who would you like to see as a Texan??
 
maybe the thread shoulda been called...College players to watch
 
im just gonna list acouple players that i think would be a good pick

Justin Blalock
Adrian Peterson
Marshawn Lynch
LaRon Landry

The Pick that I think would benefit the texans most right now is
MICHAEL GRIFFIN

Brian Dawkins comparison
 
This thread is bad luck. We started talking about picking first after we lost to Buffalo...............
 
HeartofHouston said:
I can understand that like I said it's just for those few people who think WAYYYYY ahead..
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Man, I can't even think far enough ahead to know what I'll have for dinner. No way could I wrap my brain around the 2007 draft. Smoke starts coming out of my ears when I tried. :spy:
 
I dont share most of the boards optimism about our record...5-11 strikes me as about right, so i think this will be our last year of high draft picks for awhile...but i expect top 10 in 06
 
All I can say is no QB in first 3-4 rounds. Every other position is fair game. No need to "invest" another large amount of cash into a first day QB, when success shows that it is not a prerequisite for success.
 
This is a tough thing for me to do for a number of factors.
1. I dont know what positions the Texans will NEED next year. At the moment CB/S looks to be a good place to go, but who knows maybe we will have a strong Db group. You dont know till we get on the field and play.

2. I dont know WHERE the Texans will be picking. If there is a need position and the guy is a top 5 pick and we are a teens pick, we likley wont get him,

3. i have no idea where the texans Might be pickin. Who knows what our record will be and where we will finish.

Becuase of these reasons I find it hard to say who we should be looking at right now. See me in a few months.
 
Im just going to throw it out there right now: LaRon Landry or Michael Griffin. For some reason, I see CC Brown and Glenn Earl battling for the SS spot and us drafting a starting FS.
 
I feel fairly safe saying that there are only three positions I want the Texans to address at this point. MLB, WR, FS.

WR is very deep next year with Jarrett, Johnson, and Smith headlining that group. There will be some very pleasent surprises that arise throughout the year.

MLB is an average group right now IMO. Plouz is recovering from injury, and there are about 2 or 3 other top 40 MLB's this year, but I don't know their names yet.

FS is deep for its position, but not as deep as this past year. Merriwether and Landry headline the group, and both are top talents.

I can actually see Kubiak going WR next year if we have a top 12 pick. In Denver, they drafted a lot of WR's. Granted they were searching for a legitimate #1, but having a Calvin Johnson/Dwayne Jarrett combined with AJ is unfare. Imagine Arrizona's WR's, then think better. Moulds should be on his way out, but the Rookie could easily play back-up for a year until Moulds can't go anymore.
 
I would not count Moulds out for at least the next two-three years, WR is just not a need anymore. I do agree however a premier FS, MLB or CB would all be options depending on where the Texans finish and who is available when they pick.

Defensive/Offensive lines should be set, as well as the offensive skilled positions. Carr is our QB get used to it :cool: so the emphasis will still be on building a championship defense, standby lets see how effective the 4-3 is and the players entrusted to run it :fireball:
 
LORK 88 said:
Im just going to throw it out there right now: LaRon Landry or Michael Griffin. For some reason, I see CC Brown and Glenn Earl battling for the SS spot and us drafting a starting FS.
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I think we would have drafted Ko Simpson in the 4th this year if Kubes felt we really needed a safety, but if not everything goes right back there than I would love to have any of those two.
 
2007 is the best safety draft ever. anthony reddick, laron landry, brandon meriweather, will herring, michael griffin, zach catanese...that's just FS. over at SS you got zbikowski, eric weddle, jesse daniels, marcus paschal...
 
kastofsna said:
2007 is the best safety draft ever. anthony reddick, laron landry, brandon meriweather, will herring, michael griffin, zach catanese...that's just FS. over at SS you got zbikowski, eric weddle, jesse daniels, marcus paschal...
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zbikowski is actually another FS.

However, many of those guys will not go very high in the draft.

The talent level compared to last years FS's is down.

Whittner, Huff, J. Williams, Bullocks, Simpson...thats just about half, but that group trounces any group to come out for a long time.
 
dunta23 said:
im just gonna list acouple players that i think would be a good pick

Justin Blalock
Adrian Peterson
Marshawn Lynch
LaRon Landry

The Pick that I think would benefit the texans most right now is
MICHAEL GRIFFIN

Brian Dawkins comparison
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At this point in time I don't really have any recommendations for the 2007 draft, just throwing out my opinion on what others have posted.

You list some nice players but I don't see some of them coming here. Adrian Peterson was my favorite RB in college football over the last two years, but if we were willing to pass of Reggie Bush and get lesser-known RBs (as Denver and Kubiak have always done), I don't see them taking Peterson either. If the team somehow is that bad next year (I don't see us having a pick higher than #10 in the draft) then it probably won't be because of our running game, as we have Domanick Davis (almost a 3-time 1000 rusher although he has durability concerns), Vernand Morency is looking pretty nice, Antowain Smith is looking pretty nice (although a little old), and Wali Lundy has looked pretty good thusfar, plus Jameel Cook and Quadtrine Hill are pretty nice FBs for our system. I'm sure they will add another player or two at RB for depth/competition in camp like Denver's always done, but I don't expect it to be Peterson.

I also don't see Blalock happening, he looks like a very nice OT right now but we just drafted Eric Winston and Charles Spencer. I expect Winston will be starting by mid-season if not earlier, Spencer could be ready to start at the end of this year, plus we still have Wand, Wiegert, and Pitts that can all play one of the OT positions, so I don't expect to see us use that high of a pick on another OT next year.

Landry would be nice, and DBs is probably going to be our biggest weakspot this year, although I still think it will be better with our new system and a nice front seven, don't know much about Lynch or Griffin. I think getting a better #2 CB is our biggest concern at this moment as Faggins is not athletic enough to keep up with opposing teams top WRs and Buchanon still doesn't like to hit people, although it sounds like he is covering people a little better than last year, and the improved DLine should help as he won't have to cover people as long and should hopefully be able to use his athleticism to break on poorly-thrown balls.

swtbound07 said:
I dont share most of the boards optimism about our record...5-11 strikes me as about right, so i think this will be our last year of high draft picks for awhile...but i expect top 10 in 06
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We have a pretty difficult schedule this coming year but I expect us to be in the 6-7 win range, and I would not at all be surprised to see us win more and be in the playoff hunt down to the end of the year, although I don't expect us to make the playoffs yet.
 
beerlover said:
I would not count Moulds out for at least the next two-three years, WR is just not a need anymore. I do agree however a premier FS, MLB or CB would all be options depending on where the Texans finish and who is available when they pick.

Defensive/Offensive lines should be set, as well as the offensive skilled positions. Carr is our QB get used to it :cool: so the emphasis will still be on building a championship defense, standby lets see how effective the 4-3 is and the players entrusted to run it :fireball:
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I think Moulds will be a solid player for us for the next three years (should be a very good one for at least two of those), but I would go ahead and start looking for our future #2 next draft since WRs generally take a year or two to become good, unless of course they feel Kevin Walter is going to be their future #2.
 
I'm surprised I haven't seen Ted Ginn mentioned (I may have gone over it without noticing). How great would it be to have a formation of Andre and Moulds on the sides with Ginn in the slot.
 
No to Brady Quinn regardless if Carr pans out or not. Waste of money to spend dollars on a well paid asset to sit the bench.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
No to Brady Quinn regardless if Carr pans out or not. Waste of money to spend dollars on a well paid asset to sit the bench.
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So you think that even if Carr Sucks, and if we had the chance to get Quinn or whoever emerges as the premier QB next yr, that we should not draft them...??? I don't understand that at all...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So you think that even if Carr Sucks, and if we had the chance to get Quinn or whoever emerges as the premier QB next yr, that we should not draft them...??? I don't understand that at all...
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I am not big on the high priced QB out of college. Many think I am a Carr hater, but in actuality I just am every conservative when it comes to spending dollars on unproven talent at a very complicated position.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I am not big on the high priced QB out of college. Many think I am a Carr hater, but in actuality I just am every conservative when it comes to spending dollars on unproven talent at a very complicated position.
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Thats not a carr-hating statement at all...It sounds more like Carr apologist...but I think that if Carr doesn't do well this year, and if we don't make any trades or signings for a replacement b4 the draft, then we have no choice but to look QB in the 1st rd...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Thats not a carr-hating statement at all...It sounds more like Carr apologist...but I think that if Carr doesn't do well this year, and if we don't make any trades or signings for a replacement b4 the draft, then we have no choice but to look QB in the 1st rd...
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I disagree from an opinion standpoint. I would like to bring in a journeyman and spend a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. If Kubiak is as good as I, and most think he is, he should not need a first round QB. I have always been of the ilk that Kubiak is a player development guy. Do I have any data on that feeling, nope. But he has been around success for a long time.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I disagree from an opinion standpoint. I would like to bring in a journeyman and spend a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. If Kubiak is as good as I, and most think he is, he should not need a first round QB. I have always been of the ilk that Kubiak is a player development guy. Do I have any data on that feeling, nope. But he has been around success for a long time.
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1) What positions SHOULD be taken in the first since you don't belive in drafting QB's there...


2) If a QB were to come out and be the BPA, and you have a need for a Qb and you are in a position to grab em...you don't take em??

3) What if there is a tremendous drop off in talent between the qb and the next guy...do you still go with the next guy???
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I disagree from an opinion standpoint. I would like to bring in a journeyman and spend a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. If Kubiak is as good as I, and most think he is, he should not need a first round QB. I have always been of the ilk that Kubiak is a player development guy. Do I have any data on that feeling, nope. But he has been around success for a long time.
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So our offense should be made up of second tier and reject players, and lets hope our fearless leader Kubes can turn em around?? and in the meanwhile we'll just fork over all the first rounders on defense and have super D...:superman: ....kubiak may be a good coach and all, but i would imagine he wouldn't sell himself short by passing up premier players in spots he needs just to prove that.
 
MorKnolle said:
I think Moulds will be a solid player for us for the next three years (should be a very good one for at least two of those), but I would go ahead and start looking for our future #2 next draft since WRs generally take a year or two to become good, unless of course they feel Kevin Walter is going to be their future #2.
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I wonder if the Broncos offense does alot to preserve the career's of WR. I know Mcaffrey played for a while and Rod Smith is old but still churning butter.
 
Panther5407 said:
I'm surprised I haven't seen Ted Ginn mentioned (I may have gone over it without noticing). How great would it be to have a formation of Andre and Moulds on the sides with Ginn in the slot.
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I think Teddy Ginn will be one guy that goes too early for us hopefully. Even at that though, I believe he only comes to us if Mathis doesn't cut it this year.

As for going QB in the first if Carr bites big ones this year, I am all for it. Just because you draft a QB first round doesn't mean you start him. What it does mean is that we can do this right for once. You allow David Carr to continue to be the starter and let the rookie sit and learn. The following year you put the #1 up for grabs. If Carr still wins we have a 1st round second stringer, If he losses, we have a veteran 2nd stringer. Then the next year you let Carr go.
 
El Tejano said:
I think Teddy Ginn will be one guy that goes too early for us hopefully. Even at that though, I believe he only comes to us if Mathis doesn't cut it this year.
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Teddy Ginn is one fast mo-fo, but I don't want him on the Texans. He is too flash and relys only on his speed. His routes are poor and his hands are questionable. He is Mathis at a much better known school.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
1) What positions SHOULD be taken in the first since you don't belive in drafting QB's there...


2) If a QB were to come out and be the BPA, and you have a need for a Qb and you are in a position to grab em...you don't take em??

3) What if there is a tremendous drop off in talent between the qb and the next guy...do you still go with the next guy???
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In professional sports players get paid to perform, not to sit. When you invest in someone in the NFL, which has a career expectancy of 4 years, you must get a return on investment immediately. The QB position, is one where a kid out of college should sit right away to learn the intricacies of the game. I just prefer for it not be on favorite team's dime.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So our offense should be made up of second tier and reject players, and lets hope our fearless leader Kubes can turn em around?? and in the meanwhile we'll just fork over all the first rounders on defense and have super D....
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Never said that.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I disagree from an opinion standpoint. I would like to bring in a journeyman and spend a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. If Kubiak is as good as I, and most think he is, he should not need a first round QB. I have always been of the ilk that Kubiak is a player development guy. Do I have any data on that feeling, nope. But he has been around success for a long time.
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Kaiser Toro said:
Never said that.
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So what are you saying? Don't spend first round talent on QB's because?
Any position is possibly subject to having to wait a yr? I just don't understand your logic of not getting the best qb possible if that is one of your needs? Why would you pass the best Qb/player to get a lesser one later in the draft?
 
YoungTexanFan said:
zbikowski is actually another FS.

However, many of those guys will not go very high in the draft.

The talent level compared to last years FS's is down.

Whittner, Huff, J. Williams, Bullocks, Simpson...thats just about half, but that group trounces any group to come out for a long time.
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zbikowksi is actually a SS.

please, those guys have nothing on this class. huff is above everyone in '07, but the rest? nothing. jimmy williams is a CB. reddick, meriweather, landry, griffin have 1st round grades right now.
 
kastofsna said:
zbikowksi is actually a SS.

please, those guys have nothing on this class. huff is above everyone in '07, but the rest? nothing. jimmy williams is a CB. reddick, meriweather, landry, griffin have 1st round grades right now.
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Nobody has any grades right now. The only FS's that will have a deffinite 1st round grade is Landry. Meriweather is a tweaner, and griffen should have a second round grade. Huff, Williams, Whittner, and Simpson are all above landry in terms of talent and ability.

Zbikowksi is a FS from ND who has excellent speed, is great at PR, but lacks most every other natural instinct you look for in a FS.
 
landry is the clearcut #1 safety right now, and is a top 10 talent. listing simpson or whitner ahead of him is absurd.

zbikowski played SS last year, and has all the earmarks of an NFL SS. there's nothing about him that says FS.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So what are you saying? Don't spend first round talent on QB's because?
Any position is possibly subject to having to wait a yr? I just don't understand your logic of not getting the best qb possible if that is one of your needs? Why would you pass the best Qb/player to get a lesser one later in the draft?
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I feel like I am in a Ratt video right now.
 
kastofsna said:
landry is the clearcut #1 safety right now, and is a top 10 talent. listing simpson or whitner ahead of him is absurd.

zbikowski played SS last year, and has all the earmarks of an NFL SS. there's nothing about him that says FS.
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Landry will not go top 10. He would have been lucky to go top 40 this year. He will be a first rounder though. Whitner, who went #8 is better. Simpson, who I feel is the second best FS drafted, went in the fourth because of attitude problems in his interview. That has nothing to do with his football ability. Lawson played DE last year, but he's playing OLB now. People can change positions for the NFL.
 
Time to pull the homer card! If we go WR, I would like to see us use a 2nd or 3rd on a fellow Red Raider, Jarrett Hicks. He's got major size, can go get the ball, has great hands, and can create after the catch. His only question is speed, but if he can run a low 4.5, high 4.4 he'll be fine.

Also, Simpson went in the 4th because oflack of experience and he scored an 8 on the wonderlic (or something low). Thats not the best help, especially when S is supposed to be the QB of the defense.
 
kastofsna said:
2007 is the best safety draft ever. anthony reddick, laron landry, brandon meriweather, will herring, michael griffin, zach catanese...that's just FS. over at SS you got zbikowski, eric weddle, jesse daniels, marcus paschal...
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Wil Herring? The guy from Auburn. Seriously he is pathetic.
 
MorKnolle said:
I think Moulds will be a solid player for us for the next three years (should be a very good one for at least two of those), but I would go ahead and start looking for our future #2 next draft since WRs generally take a year or two to become good, unless of course they feel Kevin Walter is going to be their future #2.
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I expect Walters & Mathis to compete but I guess we'll have to wait and see how they look this year in Kubiak's system before any conclusions are drawn.

I just don't see the Texans playing as poorly as they did last year, so unless one of the elite WR's falls to us, like a Chad Jackson did for the Patriots to trade up, the depth at FS is good or CB ( I'm concerned about those positions more) not to mention hopefully the chance for the Texans to draft the finishing touches to a Championship Defense :mario:
 
beerlover said:
I expect Walters & Mathis to compete but I guess we'll have to wait and see how they look this year in Kubiak's system before any conclusions are drawn.

I just don't see the Texans playing as poorly as they did last year, so unless one of the elite WR's falls to us, like a Chad Jackson did for the Patriots to trade up, the depth at FS is good or CB ( I'm concerned about those positions more) not to mention hopefully the chance for the Texans to draft the finishing touches to a Championship Defense :mario:
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:mario: I cannot wait to watch our defense next year. :mario:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
In professional sports players get paid to perform, not to sit. When you invest in someone in the NFL, which has a career expectancy of 4 years, you must get a return on investment immediately. The QB position, is one where a kid out of college should sit right away to learn the intricacies of the game. I just prefer for it not be on favorite team's dime.
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Unless you are the Texans. If you are the Texans you keep making excuses for your failure until reality smacks you right in the face....which it did...and we STILL kept Carr. Why some people are still enamored with Carr I will never know. I guarantee you if he was black half these posters would be calling for his head, but reality is he is white and a good ole boy so everyone just keeps making excuses. Carr gets apologies made for him by the organization, media, fans, but for some reason I have never heard any teammates step up for him and back him up...that seems a bit fish and quite telling IMHO

oh well I am not a Carr backer and never have been since Day One and am just sick of having our franchise in a retarded state of development thanks to our sticking with Carr. When is enough enough? Do we need 0-16 (which we were really close to being) Will 1-15 be enough to admit that Carr sucks as a winning QB? Obviously 2-14 wasnt enough....when will enough be enough...the sad thing is that most Texans fans have such low expectations and are so deluded that as long as he beats the Cowboys again, they will probably be content to ride out another joke of a season. I know all of us arent that way but half the fans you hear from say really bright stuff like 'as long as we beat the Cowboys, I dont care what else happens'.....wtg thinking like that basically makes us the Baylor of the NFL where you celebrate meaningless wins v. Aggies with Commemorative DVDs and T-Shirts while the rest of your season goes up in smoke.

doug from the woodlands
 
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