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What do you expect from Mario Williams his rookie season?

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dat_boy_yec

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I'm a put it out there like this. I expect double digit sacks not only that but if Mario doesn't get the rookie record in sacks I will be disappointed. I come to this conclusion from past performances and if Mario is a better prospect than Peppers (and I think he is) then that record should have his name on it. Peppers played weakside so I was surprised that he didn't get the record over Freeney. Maybe that was a side effect of playing weakside. However Freeney got the record playing strong-side. Mario playing strong-side may be hard, but it should definetely be within his abilities. Like Peppers, Mario is coming onto a line that won't allow teams to focus solely on Williams. Unlike Peppers, Williams can still improve vastly on his pass-rushing skills.

Not only that, but I expect him to be in the top ten for tackles for loss next yr. basically I expect him to live up to his expectations. I expect teams to not want to run to his side I expect teams to double and maybe even triple team him. I expect him to still rack up #s.

Point of this is what to expect, I won't be dissappointed (to bad) if he doesn't reach these #s, but that is what I expect. So What do you expect from his 1st season?
 
only hall of famers put up #'s when they get double and triple teamed, and you expect him to be of that caliber as a rookie??????
 
To help our team win 10+ games. Stats are meaningless to me.

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oh yea, to make bone crushing hits that are heard from the stands...
 
I don't expect double digit sacks, as teams would double team him when he gets past five. What I expect is for him to improve our line, therefore improve our defense, therefore, improve our team. What I expect out of Mario is picks for the DBs.
 
Brandon420tx said:
To help our team win 10+ games. Stats are meaningless to me.
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I could care less how many sacks Mario gets too. As long as he can pressure the QB and if we win games he is doing his job. If we go out and win, every player on the team did what they all are there to do: win. :texflag:
 
wow umm well unlike yall I do care how well mario plays.

he better get 10-15 sacks to justify his ridiculous salary.
 
We aren't saying we don't care how he plays, we're saying the only stat important to us is the Win Loss column.

And in my case, the Big Hit Column
 
The only people who are trying to set rediculouse expectations like these are those who are miffed that their guy (VY mostly but some RBs also) wasn't picked. That way they can whine till the cows come home that he is a bust, bad choice etc., etc. etc. on and on and on and on till everyone else wants to throttle them. If he gets 6-8 sacks (that would tie the team record) that would be pretty darn good for a rookie.
 
edo783 said:
If he gets 6-8 sacks (that would tie the team record) that would be pretty darn good for a rookie.
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I agree 100%. A lot of people are setting a standard for him to get 10 or more sacks or he's a complete bust. It's like they almost want to be a bust because that is very hard to do. I'm just happy we got a lot better value with our #1 pick this year than the 49ers got last year.
 
edo783 said:
The only people who are trying to set rediculouse expectations like these are those who are miffed that their guy (VY mostly but some RBs also) wasn't picked. That way they can whine till the cows come home that he is a bust, bad choice etc., etc. etc. on and on and on and on till everyone else wants to throttle them. If he gets 6-8 sacks (that would tie the team record) that would be pretty darn good for a rookie.
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or people that think that a guy making $54 million should produce pro-bowl numbers

it's like with Carr, we dont hate him, but he hasnt produced to match his salary./
 
Sacks are overrated, QB hurries are almost just as good. The thing I'll look for next year is to see if Mario can consistently get after the QB, frustrate him, and force him into bad throws. If he can do that I'll be more than pleased with him.

Last year QBs threw for a comp.% over 65% and had a ypc of over 11.6 yards, that is rediculous and absolutely unexceptable.
 
stevo3883 said:
or people that think that a guy making $54 million should produce pro-bowl numbers

it's like with Carr, we dont hate him, but he hasnt produced to match his salary./
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not in his first year, can we please let this guy grow as a player
 
stevo3883 said:
or people that think that a guy making $54 million should produce pro-bowl numbers

it's like with Carr, we dont hate him, but he hasnt produced to match his salary./
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It's his first year. He will live up to his $275K base salary this year. Give him some time.
 
stevo3883[B said:
]or people that think that a guy making $54 million should produce pro-bowl numbers[/B]

it's like with Carr, we dont hate him, but he hasnt produced to match his salary./
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If we drafted Vince, he would be making alot more than that and he's not going to be putting up pro-bowl numbers in his first year or the near future, so should he be labeled a bust as well if he doesn't
 
Carr Bomb said:
If we drafted Vince, he would be making alot more than that and he's not going to be putting up pro-bowl numbers in his first year or the near future, so should he be labeled a bust as well if he doesn't
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#1 Mario got the highest rookie contract in history, Vince implied he would take a hometown discount to play here

#2 no one said mario would be a bust if he doesnt put up pro bowl numbers, but that he needs to perform to match his insane contract. there is nothing wrong with this statement.

#3 vince isnt expected to start his rookie year. no quarterback is. so the comparison is apples to oranges. come back in year 3 and then we can talk about a qb.
 
Carr Bomb said:
not in his first year, can we please let this guy grow as a player
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yes, in his first year. he is supposed to be a bigger better peppers, who won droy and had 12 sacks.

it isn't wrong to expect him to exceed this, being the superior prospect.
 
I absolutely love the Mario pick, but I still would like to see him produce. If he gets 8 sacks and 3-6 forced fumbles, and a few tackles for a loss, this probably means the rest of our team is getting in on in too and the d backs are getting turnovers. How well he does is a big factor on how well our d does. So I would really like to see him produce. I'm not going to call him a bust if he doesn't because I think he can be special and I know it'll be hard as a rookie but didnt Peppers get 10 his rookie season and Freeney got 13 or 14 didn't he. I would like to see comparable sack numbers but if not he'll produce a better defense anyways just by being there.
 
stevo3883 said:
#1 Mario got the highest rookie contract in history, Vince implied he would take a hometown discount to play here

#2 no one said mario would be a bust if he doesnt put up pro bowl numbers, but that he needs to perform to match his insane contract. there is nothing wrong with this statement.

#3 vince isnt expected to start his rookie year. no quarterback is. so the comparison is apples to oranges. come back in year 3 and then we can talk about a qb.
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#1 Next years #1 ovrl player will get the highest rookie contract in history, it goes up every year.

#2 your rediculous if you really think Vince would come here for any less, especially, being a QB taken #1 ovrl.

#3 your giving Young 3 years to develop, but Mario has to come in and be Reggie White from day 1, thats the reason why its not comparing apples to oranges, I was just being as unfair as you were.
 
stevo3883 said:
yes, in his first year. he is supposed to be a bigger better peppers, who won droy and had 12 sacks.

it isn't wrong to expect him to exceed this, being the superior prospect.
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Peppers was a year older and has probowl caliber players stretched across his entire Dline, again its not just the player but the system and position a player comes into.
 
we're not exactly sporting crap on our line either...

Williams is in very good position to excell this season, the dline has an insane amount of $$ tied into it
 
Carr Bomb said:
#3 your giving Young 3 years to develop, but Mario has to come in and be Reggie White from day 1, thats the reason why its not comparing apples to oranges, I was just being as unfair as you were.
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Im giving Vince two years, much like michael vick.

williams needs to come in and be like julius peppers.

DE is not QB, not even close. DE is about getting upfield, period. qb is infinitely harder to play
 
stevo3883 said:
we're not exactly sporting crap on our line either...

Williams is in very good position to excell this season, the dline has an insane amount of $$ tied into it
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Our Dline was ranked about last in sacks for the past 3 years, and now we have tweeners rotating in and out of the line (until Peek can prove otherwise). The Panthers have the best front 4 in all of football, there is no comparison.

The knicks have serious $$ tied into them also, doesn't exactly mean they are having success does it.
 
stevo3883 said:
Im giving Vince two years, much like michael vick.

williams needs to come in and be like julius peppers.

DE is not QB, not even close. DE is about getting upfield, period. qb is infinitely harder to play
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Hey Big Ben was able to come in from day 1, wasn't he. Atleast thats what your argument with Williams is, Peppers did it so Williams can too, right. So Big Ben did it, so Vince better, do you see why that argument doesn't work now.
 
I don't get why everyone is downplaying expectations for Mario. Freeney came into the league and set the rookie record, after that he has been consistent. He plays strongside so he get's doubled up on and still produces. Mario has to produce period. I mean how does that sound. He made no sacks, he made no tackles, but I'm happy because he made the defense better. He himself should be aiming higher than any of us. He should expect a sack a game and yet here we are saying we should expect 6-8 sacks. I'm not saying those are the numbers he should get, but damn why are our expectations so low. I would hate for Mario to think he doesn't have to produce because we don't EXPECT him to. If Bush came in here and had less than a thousand yds. he would be a disappointment. Not a bust. Same thing with Mario if he doesn't cause an immedeate impact he would be a disappointment not a bust. The guy is getting paid he should earn that cash. He should sack Peyton, Leftwhich, and whoever is in the Titans backfield multiple times. He should make everyone realize why he was the #1 pick. Anything else would be disappointing.

It just seems that people are already making excuses for him before he even hits the field. He's a rookie, he's playing RE, he's gonna get doubled and tripled teamed. Forget that Mario is a monstar he has no excuses in my eyes the guy better be merciless out there. He should make my expectations laughable when compared to his own expectations.

Isn't that why he's "SUPER MARIO"?
 
Not to mention, comparing Vince to Carr after 3yrs is unfair too since Carr started on an expansion team his rookie yr..."No QB does"????
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I don't get why everyone is downplaying expectations for Mario. Freeney came into the league and set the rookie record, after that he has been consistent. He plays strongside so he get's doubled up on and still produces. Mario has to produce period. I mean how does that sound. He made no sacks, he made no tackles, but I'm happy because he made the defense better. He himself should be aiming higher than any of us. He should expect a sack a game and yet here we are saying we should expect 6-8 sacks. I'm not saying those are the numbers he should get, but damn why are our expectations so low. I would hate for Mario to think he doesn't have to produce because we don't EXPECT him to. If Bush came in here and had less than a thousand yds. he would be a disappointment. Not a bust. Same thing with Mario if he doesn't cause an immedeate impact he would be a disappointment not a bust. The guy is getting paid he should earn that cash. He should sack Peyton, Leftwhich, and whoever is in the Titans backfield multiple times. He should make everyone realize why he was the #1 pick. Anything else would be disappointing.

It just seems that people are already making excuses for him before he even hits the field. He's a rookie, he's playing RE, he's gonna get doubled and tripled teamed. Forget that Mario is a monstar he has no excuses in my eyes the guy better be merciless out there. He should make my expectations laughable when compared to his own expectations.

Isn't that why he's "SUPER MARIO"?
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Mario will never meet your expectations and therefore will be a failure. That must feel better.

This Mario is made for sacking, that's just what he'll do. One of these days this Mario is going to pass rush all over you. :mario: :fireball: :bowser:
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I don't get why everyone is downplaying expectations for Mario. Freeney came into the league and set the rookie record, after that he has been consistent. He plays strongside so he get's doubled up on and still produces. Mario has to produce period. I mean how does that sound. He made no sacks, he made no tackles, but I'm happy because he made the defense better. He himself should be aiming higher than any of us. He should expect a sack a game and yet here we are saying we should expect 6-8 sacks. I'm not saying those are the numbers he should get, but damn why are our expectations so low. I would hate for Mario to think he doesn't have to produce because we don't EXPECT him to. If Bush came in here and had less than a thousand yds. he would be a disappointment. Not a bust. Same thing with Mario if he doesn't cause an immedeate impact he would be a disappointment not a bust. The guy is getting paid he should earn that cash. He should sack Peyton, Leftwhich, and whoever is in the Titans backfield multiple times. He should make everyone realize why he was the #1 pick. Anything else would be disappointing.

It just seems that people are already making excuses for him before he even hits the field. He's a rookie, he's playing RE, he's gonna get doubled and tripled teamed. Forget that Mario is a monstar he has no excuses in my eyes the guy better be merciless out there. He should make my expectations laughable when compared to his own expectations.

Isn't that why he's "SUPER MARIO"?
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Nobody is downplaying expectations, we're just trying to be realistic and not trying to put the kid under extreme expectations that will set him up for faliure, as in if he doesn't put up probowl #s in his first year, he's going to be a bust. That is down right rediculous.
 
In Williams' first year I expect him to start his progression to the Pro Bowl in year three.

I expect some great plays and some rookie mistakes.
 
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In Williams' first year I expect him to start his progression to the Pro Bowl in year three.

I expect some great plays and some rookie mistakes.
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That about the same thing I expect. He was able to survive on just raw physical ability in college. In the pros he's going to have to make adjustments and strengthen his technique, as is every other rookie coming into the league.

He'll hold his own though
 
It doesn't matter what he does we can't go backwards. He is a Texan good or bad. If he gets one sack next year, he will still be a Texan. Expectations would imply you have some kind of recourse if he does not meet them. I told you so would be your only outlet and no one wants to listen to that. If we are still trying to justify his pick, he was #1 overall( He should provide Immediate dividends, but if he does not what are you going to do?)
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Mario will never meet your expectations and therefore will be a failure. That must feel better.

This Mario is made for sacking, that's just what he'll do. One of these days this Mario is going to pass rush all over you. :mario: :fireball: :bowser:
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Maybe I'm being a homer, but I think he will meet my expectations. I don't think I'm expecting to much out of him. I'm not expecting a sack a game, I'm not expecting him to have an ungodly amount of tackles. I'm expecting less than a sack a game and 3-4 tackles a game and less than one of those tackles for loss a game. The guy is a first rd. pick a prospect unparalleled in recent history are you really telling me those expectations are impossible.
 
Carr Bomb said:
Nobody is downplaying expectations, we're just trying to be realistic and not trying to put the kid under extreme expectations that will set him up for faliure, as in if he doesn't put up probowl #s in his first year, he's going to be a bust. That is down right rediculous.
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Nobody said he would be a bust. (At least I didn't) There is a big difference between a bust and a disappointment. If anything he should be the one putting himself under extreme expectations.
 
Bone Crushing hits! I want basically for him to draw fear in the eyes of other teams for years to come :tease:
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Maybe I'm being a homer, but I think he will meet my expectations. I don't think I'm expecting to much out of him. I'm not expecting a sack a game, I'm not expecting him to have an ungodly amount of tackles. I'm expecting less than a sack a game and 3-4 tackles a game and less than one of those tackles for loss a game. The guy is a first rd. pick a prospect unparalleled in recent history are you really telling me those expectations are impossible.
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Expectations are high, as they should be. But to tag his succes to numbers is not the way. Sure numbers are part of the "how," but in the end it is about whether the unit gets significantly better.
 
dat_boy_yec said:
Nobody said he would be a bust. (At least I didn't) There is a big difference between a bust and a disappointment. If anything he should be the one putting himself under extreme expectations.
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I didn't say you did and I'm pretty sure he does have high expectations for himself as he should, hopefully he has a Texas sized chip on his shoulder from all the fans in NY chanting overrated as he was trying to enjoy the biggest day in his young life (one of the most classless things I've ever seen).
 
texplayer2 said:
It doesn't matter what he does we can't go backwards. He is a Texan good or bad. If he gets one sack next year, he will still be a Texan. Expectations would imply you have some kind of recourse if he does not meet them. I told you so would be your only outlet and no one wants to listen to that. If we are still trying to justify his pick, he was #1 overall( He should provide Immediate dividends, but if he does not what are you going to do?)
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Sorry, I disagree. I expect alot of things to happen, all the time. However that doesn't mean they will happen or that I have a recourse in the matter. I expect people to pay me back when I loan them money, but I know that may not happen and when I lend the money I know if my expectations aren't met I will have to live with it. I'm not the type to say I told you so. Because as many times as I'm right there are probably twice as many times that I'm wrong. However that doesn't change my expectations. Sorry if it feels mine are to high, I'm not trying to insult anybody. I just wanted to see what most fellow Texans fan's expected. I don't feel the need to justify any pick that is the player's job.
 
You people are saying that Mario Williams has a huge contract and that he needs to live up to it, sure that makes sense, but most of you would have not been saying the same thing if Reggie Bush was drafted number 1, even though he is a situational runner and wanted more money than Williams. Also, there is no way Vince Young would not have cashed in on being the number one pick, but if that would have happened nobody would expect him to live up to the huge money he would've gotten right away, because he needs time to learn the NFL, well Mario probably could use a little time too
 
dm77713 said:
You people are saying that Mario Williams has a huge contract and that he needs to live up to it, sure that makes sense, but most of you would have not been saying the same thing if Reggie Bush was drafted number 1, even though he is a situational runner and wanted more money than Williams. Also, there is no way Vince Young would not have cashed in on being the number one pick, but if that would have happened nobody would expect him to live up to the huge money he would've gotten right away, because he needs time to learn the NFL, well Mario probably could use a little time too
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Oh that is B.S. if Bush came to the Texans I would have probably made a similar thread about him. Matter of fact I would have expected more out of Bush than I would have out of Williams because of all the hype surrounding Bush. Add to the fact that Bush is probably as good as he's gonna get I would definetely expect him to earn his money from his first snap. True maybe not most, but the same thing with Williams. Most is a very relative word when you think about it. (By the way if Young had been picked, I would have been titanically pissed.)
 
dat_boy_yec said:
I don't get why everyone is downplaying expectations for Mario. Freeney came into the league and set the rookie record, after that he has been consistent. He plays strongside so he get's doubled up on and still produces. Mario has to produce period. I mean how does that sound. He made no sacks, he made no tackles, but I'm happy because he made the defense better. He himself should be aiming higher than any of us. He should expect a sack a game and yet here we are saying we should expect 6-8 sacks. I'm not saying those are the numbers he should get, but damn why are our expectations so low. I would hate for Mario to think he doesn't have to produce because we don't EXPECT him to. If Bush came in here and had less than a thousand yds. he would be a disappointment. Not a bust. Same thing with Mario if he doesn't cause an immedeate impact he would be a disappointment not a bust. The guy is getting paid he should earn that cash. He should sack Peyton, Leftwhich, and whoever is in the Titans backfield multiple times. He should make everyone realize why he was the #1 pick. Anything else would be disappointing.

It just seems that people are already making excuses for him before he even hits the field. He's a rookie, he's playing RE, he's gonna get doubled and tripled teamed. Forget that Mario is a monstar he has no excuses in my eyes the guy better be merciless out there. He should make my expectations laughable when compared to his own expectations.

Isn't that why he's "SUPER MARIO"?
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I love that you expect him to average one sack a game from day one, when only one player did that last year, DE Derrick Burgess from Oakland with 16 total. Only one player did it in 2004, Dwight Freeney with 16 total. And one person did it in 2003, Michael Strahan with 18.5 total. All of which were in their 4th year or better. Mario will go through growing pain like every single other rookie that has ever entered the NFL. He is getting paid the highest rookie salary because every year the 1st pick breaks the bank. Next year, Brady Quinn will be the highest paid rookie ever (pure speculation of course). If you really want my expectations, it is that his presence on the line will make the other players on the line better...eventually. It could happen as soon as halfway into this season, but I expect the real results to come in his second year.

The worst part of the arguement that he should be like Freeney and Peppers is that he is a complete DE. He plays the run well and rushes the passer well. Freeney is known as a pass rusher, as is Peppers. Mario will be feared for his impact on the entire game.

Only two rookies made the Pro Bowl last year. One played for our team, the other was Shawne Merriman. 31 players picked in last years first round did not make the Pro-Bowl, none of the top ten. Merriman was almost a fluke since he was a tweener and those are always risky. Rookies need time to adjust. Give Mario time, and then see what happens. There's a reason drafts are graded 3-4 years down the line, not immediately.
 
all we need out of mario in his rookie season is consistency and determination. alot of nfl careers are defined by how the players are willing to put the effort needed out in every play. don't get me wrong i owuld love williams to come out like god and have set the sack record, but looking at all the problems we are trying to fix and the problems we have it doesn't look too likely.

you have to understand mario isn't a new peice in an achored system. he is a building block in the foundation of our new system and coaching scheme.

you want stats, here you go.... 63 tackles, 6 sacks, 8 pass deflections, 20+ tackles for loss, 2-3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, and if we are lucky enough 1 td. if he puts those kind of numbers up he will well be worth the 6 year 54 million.
 
stevo3883 said:
or people that think that a guy making $54 million should produce pro-bowl numbers

it's like with Carr, we dont hate him, but he hasnt produced to match his salary./
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This isn't like the Carr situation at all. Given the situation, Carr did well, and earned the money he was getting paid....... What did we expect Carr to do?? Come in and have a year like Palmer did last year?? in his third year?? If I'm not mistaken, I think he did. He completed 61% of his passes....& got sacked a lot. Palmer completed 67% of his passes, and was only sacked 19 times(Carr 49). Peyton Manning only completed 62% of his passes, sacked 20 times... Eli in his second year is only completing 52%, but alot of people are talking about sending him to the proBowl in 2006. & McNabb completed 58% of his passes, while taking 39 sacks.......

QB ratings...... David had an 83, McNabb 84, Carson 101, and Peyton 94. Look at the offenses Peyton and Carson were in..... throwing the ball... WCO... strecthing the field........ compared to the offense David was in...... Ball control..... don't lose the game..... So they were going to have more TDs... which inflates the QB rating... they should do a TD/Redzone ratio instead, or something like that.
stevo3883 said:
yes, in his first year. he is supposed to be a bigger better peppers, who won droy and had 12 sacks.

it isn't wrong to expect him to exceed this, being the superior prospect.
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If we were in a week NFC South, in a week NFC then I'd be with you.. double digit sacks his first year.....

But we're playing a strong AFC conference, where they value the OL...... 4 games in our division alone..... Jax & Indy... Then Tennessee picked up Mawae(I know he's a center, but it shows where they are putting money). Then we play NewEngland & NYJ..... Mario vs D'Brick(mmmmm-mmmm can't wait)... Mario is going to see more Probowlers in his first year, than JP did in his first three.

Carr Bomb said:
Our Dline was ranked about last in sacks for the past 3 years, and now we have tweeners rotating in and out of the line (until Peek can prove otherwise). The Panthers have the best front 4 in all of football, there is no comparison.

The knicks have serious $$ tied into them also, doesn't exactly mean they are having success does it.
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Sorry, I disagree here. We've got a heck of a DLine on paper. Mario is in a very good position to do his thang.... Peek....... um I'm expecting him to be our Kearse....... Mario is our Peppers..... TJ should live up to his draft spot. and Robaire, Smith, Payne.... the lines just going to open up for them, like the Red Sea....

I don't see where you can get a good double team on this line...

Carr Bomb said:
Hey Big Ben was able to come in from day 1, wasn't he. Atleast thats what your argument with Williams is, Peppers did it so Williams can too, right. So Big Ben did it, so Vince better, do you see why that argument doesn't work now.
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In all honesty, it looks like the Titans are going to start Vince some time in '06. I wouldn't be surprised if he does pull a RothlisBerger.

dat_boy_yec said:
I don't get why everyone is downplaying expectations for Mario.

He himself should be aiming higher than any of us. He should expect a sack a game......
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I'm with you on that.... Mario gets a big 'ole $6mil bonus(I think) if he gets 12 sacks... I think he's going to get that.. I think he will/should have more sacks than any rookie in '06, but I don't know if he'll get 14 or whatever the rookie sack record is...
dat_boy_yec said:
I would hate for Mario to think he doesn't have to produce because we don't EXPECT him to.
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Agreed.......
dat_boy_yec said:
If Bush came in here and had less than a thousand yds. he would be a disappointment. Not a bust. Same thing with Mario if he doesn't cause an immedeate impact he would be a disappointment not a bust.
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Every one is saying that he should/will make a difference.... an imediate impact.... they're just saying that he can impact the game in many ways, not just sacks
dat_boy_yec said:
The guy is getting paid he should earn that cash. He should sack Peyton, Leftwhich, and whoever is in the Titans backfield multiple times. He should make everyone realize why he was the #1 pick. Anything else would be disappointing.
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I concur....... but I think we disagree on what would justify the pick.
dat_boy_yec said:
It just seems that people are already making excuses for him before he even hits the field. He's a rookie, he's playing RE, he's gonna get doubled and tripled teamed. Forget that Mario is a monstar he has no excuses in my eyes the guy better be merciless out there. He should make my expectations laughable when compared to his own expectations.

Isn't that why he's "SUPER MARIO"?
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He probably expects 2 to 3 sacks a game..... we'll never know. I definitely think it'll be fun to watch.... he's going to be a force to reckon with. He'll be the face of our defense without a doubt.

In all, I see I don't agree with a lot of folks in this thread..... I think it's silly to expect less than 8 sacks...... hopefull to expect more than 12.... I think he can get 12..... I think he definitely should get 10 sacks.....

Come Week 8, I expect to see Tom Jackson talking about him...... " Vince Young.......... you go JACKED UP, courtesy of the 2006 #1 overall draft pick.. Super Mario."
 
stevo3883 said:
#1 Mario got the highest rookie contract in history, Vince implied he would take a hometown discount to play here

#2 no one said mario would be a bust if he doesnt put up pro bowl numbers, but that he needs to perform to match his insane contract. there is nothing wrong with this statement.

#3 vince isnt expected to start his rookie year. no quarterback is. so the comparison is apples to oranges. come back in year 3 and then we can talk about a qb.
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#1 Yeah whatever. He wouldnt have taken a hometown discount, he would have held out and made alot more than Mario. The FO would have been under pressure to sign him and their balls would have been to the fire.
 
Like VY would have taken a hometown discount. I think it's more important for us to get an impact player than paying a little less money than we gave Mario for VY to sit on the bench.
 
I want Mario to break our sack record of 8 set by Jeff Posey in our expansion year. However, I want him to do it with the impression that he is getting better every week and will be better in his sophmore season.

I felt bad for the guy yesterday on ESPN NFL Live. They interview him and then after that they crush him with saying he was a bad pick. I hope this dude plays with a block on his shoulder and at the end of the season is able to brush it off and it falls on the heads of all the dudes at ESPN.
 
Please note: Almost all the folks who are demanding extremily high sack numbers from Mario from day one are pretty much the same VY is God crowed and who feel the team took a poo in their Wheaties when they didn't draft VY, and now want to set up the senario where they can whine all the time about Mario if he doesn't set NFL records right out of the gate. They are doing the same kind of stunt regarding expectations for Carr also.
 
I would like to see the Texans stick with a core of d-lineman and mold some consistancy, same is true of the offensive line. Mario needs to handle double teams & the run from the strong side this will open up the weakside for Peek/Babin. I would not be surprised to see across the board higher sack totals for the Texans, if Peek & Babin stay healthy one of them could surprise people with over 10+ sacks.

If they stick with this formula then the numbers should excelerate with Mario somewhere in the double digit range. over the course of a long career in Houston Williams will become the Texans all time sack leader & in range of the NFL all time greats. thats what I expect :fireball:
 
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