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Payne has had one significant injury in the last 7 seasons and has played in 16 games out of 16 6 of the last 7 seasons. People are way too fast to slap injury tags on players.El Tejano said:I see him behind Payne when the season starts but given Payne's injury history I see him starting somewhere by midseason due to an injured Payne but it basically just speeds up the process of his eventual replacement of Payne. I also see that he looks like a first rounder with the help from the DEs.
TexanSam said:I see Payne 3rd on the DT. I see him behind Payne and Robaire Smith, but ahead of Babin.
Now yes, before Payne hurt his knee NO way.HeartofHouston said:Personally I think that Johnson is better for us than Payne.. Johnson is quicker and more intense than Payne.. Him and RoBear could be a comple NIGHTMARE on the inside.. and combine that with the fire that Peek brings and add the freakish ability of Mario Williams.
Johnson was completely out of place in our 3-4 defense. Give him a shot in the 4-3 where instead of 5 Olinemen vs 3 D-Linemen.. It's 5 vs 4. So Somebody is gonna get a double team and somebody is gonna be 1 on 1. And with those 4 I would love to see how O-Linemen are gonna handle it...
Whoops. I meant, I see Johnson 3rd on the DT depth chart. Behind Payne and Smith, but ahead of Babin.xtruroyaltyx said:huh ???
I could see your concern for the situation but your forgetting the rest they will get as our new offense with AJ, E-Mo, DD, Putz, and Carr moving the rock down the field killing clock, gaining yards, and putting up points.UberDork said:I wonder how tired those big guys get running on and off the field. That seems like a good bit of running if we are going to have a really frequent rotation, and it seems like that would lessen the advantage. I wonder what the happy medium is? Is it stupid to think running over 25 yards every 4 or 5 plays would be in itself fatiguing?
Payne was hurt the season before last and got hurt again at the end of last season. I'm not slapping injury tags on anybody, but I too think he is on his way out. I just think he will get injured again at some point in the season and Johnson will replace him sooner than later.infantrycak said:Payne has had one significant injury in the last 7 seasons and has played in 16 games out of 16 6 of the last 7 seasons. People are way too fast to slap injury tags on players.
On the bench. Where he belongs. The guy is still a "project" insofar as he is a relatively lazy athlete and practice work ethic. Hopefully our new staff will succeed in an attitude transformation. But for now, we simply have better players who will be fighting for his spot.TEXANRED said:On the bench, again.
With the Texans trying to get Peak, Babin, playing time by moving Weaver to the inside, and Payne and Smith already starting ahead of TJ, could be another long unproductive year for our boy.
I think TJ is a better pass rusher than Weaver so,xtruroyaltyx said:what about this line.... Peek Williams Weaver Babin
as a pass rushing line
That was my first inclination, but I went with weaver because T.J is just unproven at this pointBigBull17 said:I think TJ is a better pass rusher than Weaver so,
Peek-Williams-TJ-Babin
You're off by a year. He was hurt in the last game of 2004. He was healthy all last year.El Tejano said:Payne was hurt the season before last and got hurt again at the end of last season. I'm not slapping injury tags on anybody, but I too think he is on his way out. I just think he will get injured again at some point in the season and Johnson will replace him sooner than later.
Fair enough. Buut he would be given a chance if Weaver was an innefectual pass rusher.xtruroyaltyx said:That was my first inclination, but I went with weaver because T.J is just unproven at this point
I don't know about that either...It just depends on how highly Kubes think's of him.... I could easily see kubiak thinking...hmmm....this guy could be a dominant force inside for us....BUT at the same time i can c him thinking....This guy is unproven, and i have Vet's on the bench....i think i'll stick him @ 3 on the depth chart....just depends on how he is evalutedBigBull17 said:Fair enough. Buut he would be given a chance if Weaver was an innefectual pass rusher.
From today's Chronicle article on Babin. Notably absent?--TJ. Guess he is backing up Weaver.Rookie Mario Williams is playing opposite Peek and Babin on the left side. Free-agent signee Anthony Weaver is taking the majority of his repetitions at right tackle, leaving Seth Payne and Robaire Smith to alternate at the other tackle position.
I was suprised to see no mention of TJ in that article. Just seems like last year's #1 pick would be given a shot unless he's done something that the staff doesn't like.infantrycak said:From today's Chronicle article on Babin. Notably absent?--TJ. Guess he is backing up Weaver.
JMO, but folks are selling Payne short in this thread once again.
I think you misunderstood me, if Weaver cant get to the QB on passing downs than TJ will get a chance to come in and prove his worth. If Weaver is making a push and getting heat on the QB, than Kubiak isnt going to fix what isnt broken draft position be damned.xtruroyaltyx said:I don't know about that either...It just depends on how highly Kubes think's of him.... I could easily see kubiak thinking...hmmm....this guy could be a dominant force inside for us....BUT at the same time i can c him thinking....This guy is unproven, and i have Vet's on the bench....i think i'll stick him @ 3 on the depth chart....just depends on how he is evaluted
{* The "He" in this post refer to Travis Johnson}
agreed... I just hope that T.J gets a fair shot...and performs wellBigBull17 said:I think you misunderstood me, if Weaver cant get to the QB on passing downs than TJ will get a chance to come in and prove his worth. If Weaver is making a push and getting heat on the QB, than Kubiak isnt going to fix what isnt broken draft position be damned.
Given that Weaver was origionally acquired to be our strong side DE in theBigBull17 said:I think you misunderstood me, if Weaver cant get to the QB on passing downs than TJ will get a chance to come in and prove his worth. If Weaver is making a push and getting heat on the QB, than Kubiak isnt going to fix what isnt broken draft position be damned.
That was my conclusion...he is behind Weaver currently. And I like a base 4-3 early down package of Williams-Payne-Smith-Weaver/Peek as a run stopper.infantrycak said:From today's Chronicle article on Babin. Notably absent?--TJ. Guess he is backing up Weaver.
JMO, but folks are selling Payne short in this thread once again.
Well he was brought in as a run stuffer. He also played as a 3-4 DE, which is just a gloryfied DT. He isnt the guy who gets you 10+ sacks he controls the LOS. And 280 isnt that small if you have the strength to go with it. Playing on the line, be it OL or DL, is all about attitude and if he has the right attitude he will do fine.nunusguy said:Given that Weaver was origionally acquired to be our strong side DE in the
4-3, you'd have to think he is more explosive and quicker than Johnson whether on the edge or inside. But if he does end up being a DT to make
romm for Mario, at 280 he would have to be one of the smaller DTs in the NFL
I'd think ?
You're right of course about 3-4 downlineman beting 4-3 DTs and not DEs.BigBull17 said:Well he was brought in as a run stuffer. He also played as a 3-4 DE, which is just a gloryfied DT. He isnt the guy who gets you 10+ sacks he controls the LOS. And 280 isnt that small if you have the strength to go with it. Playing on the line, be it OL or DL, is all about attitude and if he has the right attitude he will do fine.
infantrycak said:Payne has had one significant injury in the last 7 seasons and has played in 16 games out of 16 6 of the last 7 seasons. People are way too fast to slap injury tags on players.
I think Weaver will play end once in a while.Texian said:The depth chart as I envision it come August.
LE - Williams/Babin
NT - Payne/Smith/Johnson
UT - Weaver/Johnson/Williams
RE - Peek/Babin
We still have Kalu. If we still have Malone, I'd be suprised if he's still on the team when the season starts. TJ will backup at DT and by the time the season is about midway through and there are some injuries he will get a good amount of playing time.Brandon420tx said:Was Kalu cut, or do we still have him and Malone...?
what??[[Gary Kubiak]] said:I dont know if you can tag TJ as lazy. He was atleast "okay" last year.