Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!

Will there be a 2006 Supplemental Draft, and will the Texans make a pick?

G

gtexan02

Working?
So I didn't really understand what the Supplemental draft was until I read about it more carefully on NFL.com. If what I understand to be true is true, then the Texans will get the first pick in the 2006 supplemental draft. If we take someone, we forfeit our 1st round pick in 2007. I don't think this is too wise, given a lot of our teams success is based on potential, and we have a very difficult schedule. If Ahmad Brooks is available, though, is he worth the 1st round pick? What about if he's available in the 2nd? I think i'd take him there, as it would probably be an immediate improvement to our MLB situation. Maybe thats why we didn't take any interior linebackers this draft, because we knew we could pick up Brooks with our 1st rounder in the supplemental draft. The question is, will he be available (I mean, did Va actually cut him or not) and if he is there, do we forfeit a #1 pick next year for him this year? Interesting question
 
gtexan02 said:
So I didn't really understand what the Supplemental draft was until I read about it more carefully on NFL.com. If what I understand to be true is true, then the Texans will get the first pick in the 2006 supplemental draft. If we take someone, we forfeit our 1st round pick in 2007. I don't think this is too wise, given a lot of our teams success is based on potential, and we have a very difficult schedule. If Ahmad Brooks is available, though, is he worth the 1st round pick? What about if he's available in the 2nd? I think i'd take him there, as it would probably be an immediate improvement to our MLB situation. Maybe thats why we didn't take any interior linebackers this draft, because we knew we could pick up Brooks with our 1st rounder in the supplemental draft. The question is, will he be available (I mean, did Va actually cut him or not) and if he is there, do we forfeit a #1 pick next year for him this year? Interesting question
Click to expand...

I've addressed this issue countless times before, but am glad to summarize it here again. Brooks is easily worth a first rounder, however NO team will give up a #1 in the supplemental draft. The Texans reached on Hollings. Brooks should go in the third to fifth round of the Supp. draft, depending on how much a team is willing to give up next year.
 
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but its not run as the regular NFL draft is. With the sup. draft teams bid on players with draft picks, highest bidder get the player. So if we bid our second round pick for Brooks, everyone else would have to give up their first round pick (since we have the the first pick in the second round, a first round pick is the only way we lose). So its not like it becomes a pi$$ing contest, its more like a secret bidder type. However we do lose our second round pick in next years draft, regardless of its actually position in the second round (33rd overall or 64th).
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I've addressed this issue countless times before, but am glad to summarize it here again. Brooks is easily worth a first rounder, however NO team will give up a #1 in the supplemental draft. The Texans reached on Hollings. Brooks should go in the third to fifth round of the Supp. draft, depending on how much a team is willing to give up next year.
Click to expand...

I would'nt mind using a 2nd rd pick on this guy. Had he stayed in school, he'd probably be top 15 pick. He needs to grow up and get his act together.:twocents:
 
Here how the supplemental draft works, per nfl.com:

1) Draft order is determined by regular draft order
2) A team may choose not to pick at any point in any round
3) If a team uses a pick on a player, they forfeit that draft pick in the subsequent draft.
4) You don't have to pick anyone

Therefore, Texans get #1 pick in supplemental draft, and could pass. If Steelers want to use their 2nd round pick on Brooks, we could use our 2nd round pick on him and take him. Problem is, we don't know what others would use, therefore we might have to use a higher pick then we'd want, potentially giving up a high pick next year.
 
I'd rather not use anything higher than a 3rd on him. He might have the talent of a first rounder but any team that takes him is taking a gamble on a headcase...and we've seen Charley's gambles in the past.
 
If we use anything higher than a second day pick I would be upset. Ahmad Brooks is a tremendous talent and reminds me alot of a young Ray Ray, but his maturity and lack of intelligence makes him a second day selection. Like the Dolphins last year a 5th round pick would suffice. It should be low enough to warrant it anyway.
 
I don't know what the potential of the 2007 draft class is... but what I hear is that this guy is good.. yet I wonder with babin/peek and such with our draft ..would we consider this guy?
 
Wolf said:
I don't know what the potential of the 2007 draft class is... but what I hear is that this guy is good.. yet I wonder with babin/peek and such with our draft ..would we consider this guy?
Click to expand...

Babin/Peek have nothing to do with Brooks unless one of them is traded for a future pick. Brooks is a MLB, a younger Ray Lewis.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
Babin/Peek have nothing to do with Brooks unless one of them is traded for a future pick. Brooks is a MLB, a younger Ray Lewis.
Click to expand...
I see, i thought I read that he was an OLB... cool
 
Brandon420tx said:
We're taking "High Quality Personality Players" or HQPP for short, anyway, I doubt we'll take him.
Click to expand...

This is also the reason that I doubt we take a risk on him...He has the talent to warrant a second round pick, but we will miss the boat and let him go to another team...Let's just hope it isn't Indy, Jacksonville, or Tennessee...
 
gtexan02 said:
So I didn't really understand what the Supplemental draft was until I read about it more carefully on NFL.com. If what I understand to be true is true, then the Texans will get the first pick in the 2006 supplemental draft.
Click to expand...

Teams are not ordered in the same way they are in the regular NFL draft. They take teams and divide them into three record categories (something like 0-16 to 6-10, 7-9 to 9-7, and 10-6+) then draw order (lotto style) in those groups. The Texans could very well end up something like the 7th team in the drawing.
 
TheOgre said:
Teams are not ordered in the same way they are in the regular NFL draft. They take teams and divide them into three record categories (something like 0-16 to 6-10, 7-9 to 9-7, and 10-6+) then draw order (lotto style) in those groups. The Texans could very well end up something like the 7th team in the drawing.
Click to expand...

When does the supplimental draft take place and when do we find out the Texans draft position?
 
TheOgre said:
Teams are not ordered in the same way they are in the regular NFL draft. They take teams and divide them into three record categories (something like 0-16 to 6-10, 7-9 to 9-7, and 10-6+) then draw order (lotto style) in those groups. The Texans could very well end up something like the 7th team in the drawing.
Click to expand...

Unless the draft has changed since 2004, thats not how it works.

NFL.com said:
....The NFL would pull names out of a hat to determine the draft order. They would then go down the list, offering each team the chance to make a selection. A team got the chance every round to make its pick. If a team made a pick, they had to forfeit a pick in the subsequent draft -- the bigger draft with the college players. Sometimes, rounds would go by where nobody made a pick. Sometimes the entire draft would go by without a player being picked.

Nowadays it still works the same way, but instead of pulling names out of a hat, the NFL uses the previous year's draft order.....
Click to expand...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6452668
 
I would be okay if we used a 3rd rounder. I think that with him at ILB and Ryans at OLB, plus Mario Williams and Travis Johnson not to mention Anthony Weaver who is only 26, we would have one of the bet front 7 in the NFL for years.... If everyone pans out the way they should.
 
Nowadays it still works the same way, but instead of pulling names out of a hat, the NFL uses the previous year's draft order.....
Click to expand...

Okay they must have changed that since we took Hollings (2003 Supplemental). If it hadn't been for that, we would have used a 3rd instead of a 2nd on him (Dallas and Chicago were ahead of us in the supplemental draft despite the fact that we had the 3rd overall pick in the normal draft that year).
 
I don't think a 3rd would get him. Someone will probably use at least a 2nd on him. He was projected to be a top 15 pick at one time. If this guy can get his head on straight he might end up being a great player in the nfl.
 
so how does this 1st round talent get into the supplemental draft??

Was he not eligible for the regular draft??

Edit Never mind, I read the link of a previous poster.
 
After reading about Ahmad Brooks for two years, he was being hyped as best LB prospect, but recent issues have cost him his college career. What those issues are and how our personnel folks assess his ability to overcome those issues will determine whether we take a shot at Brooks.

From a pure talent and need perspective, he would fit perfectly in HOU. He could be our MLB of the future. Adding him to our young developing defense would be a huge move...if he doesn't waste his potential.

Given his current situation, if after interviews/work-outs Kubiak & Co feel he's a Texan quality guy, then I'd see a 2nd round bid going in.
 
reading his profile, except for maturity (interviews will see where he stands on that) why wouldn't you give up a 2nd on that? reviews shows he can basically do it all .. and if we were to draft him, it isn't necessary that he starts right away unless he does beat out Cowart.

which would/could be a good thing
 
Wolf said:
unless he does beat out Cowart. which would/could be a good thing
Click to expand...


He would/could beat out cowart, wong, peek, orr, greenwood easily.

More talent than Ryans, but Ryans has proven he has too much instinct to sit on the bench.
 
i think there is something you have to keep in perspective here and that's ahmad brooks plays linebacker...he has some character issues...and that anyone kicked off their team ala marcus vick is not going to merrit a high pick...anyone that thinks the texans especially are going to use anything higher than a 4th round pick on him is only looking at the talent that might be there...he also has several injury problems...he didn't play for most of the 2005 season...and when he did play he was not spectacular by any means...i think some team will probably take a chance on brooks in the supplemental draft but not for anything higher than a 4th rounder and it won't be the texans...probably the raiders
 
After using a 2nd rounder on DeMeco Ryans this year I don't see us giving up any kind of high pick next year for another LB, especially one with character issues near those of Marcus Vick and one with injury problems.
 
MorKnolle said:
After using a 2nd rounder on DeMeco Ryans this year I don't see us giving up any kind of high pick next year for another LB, especially one with character issues near those of Marcus Vick and one with injury problems.
Click to expand...

Mork, his character issues are not in the same range as Marcus. He had a maturity problem. His injuries were minor, more of the nagging ones that require rest. When he played, he was not in football shape yet and was rushed back.
 
keyfro said:
anyone that thinks the texans especially are going to use anything higher than a 4th round pick on him is only looking at the talent that might be there.
Click to expand...

Isn't that the whole purpose of the collegiate draft? To pick someone with talent that might be there? Not like you can draft players who you know can already play in the league.
 
I still doubt the Texans use a future 1st day pick on a guy like him, they are relatively solid at LB now and they aren't ones to spend high picks on guys with character/maturity issues.
 
For what it's worth, I would really be upset also if we used anything other than a day two pick on the guy.
1. Don't spend your move up ammo, a year befor you're gonna need it.
353 days, ten hours and fiften minutes.
2. Hollings was a pretty fair prospect also.
3. Wouldn't this be the first real head case on the team ?
I know there's a lot of impatience out there but,... it will come. Give it time.
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9447397

possibility of

The paperwork hasn't officially been filed yet for this year's supplemental draft, but there are at least two players who will get a close look from scouts around the league:

* Ahmad Brooks, LB, Virginia: A national defensive player of the year coming out of high school, Brooks had an outstanding 2004 season for the Cavaliers in 2004, but got hurt last year.
* Jason Berryman, DE, Iowa State: At about 240 pounds, he's probably a linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. His Pro Day is already set for June 6 at Iowa State, and we'll have reports on that.

Of course, NFL.com will have news on these and other players who file for the supplemental draft, so rest easy. There's more draft analysis on the way!
Click to expand...
 
Brooks is tentatively scheduled to hold a workout for pro scouts at noon on June 22 at the University of Virginia. Cavaliers head coach Al Groh, along with Brooks' position coach and trainer, will be on hand to talk to the NFL personnel guys before the workout.

Brooks has been training in Atlanta with Chip Smith. As of yesterday, his weight was 274 -- he has a target weight of 265 for the workout. Brooks, who played linebacker in college but might project as a Julius Peppers-type defensive end in the pros, missed six games with a right knee injury last year.

Brooks' father, Perry Brooks was a defensive tackle who was drafted in the seventh round by the Patriots in 1976. He never played for New England but played 92 games for the Washington Redskins.
Click to expand...


from the link above.updated on 23rd

# Ahmad Brooks, LB, Virginia: A national defensive player of the year coming out of high school, Brooks had an outstanding 2004 season for the Cavaliers in 2004, but got hurt last year.
# Jason Berryman, DE, Iowa State: At about 240 pounds, he's probably a linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. His Pro Day is already set for June 6 at Iowa State, and we'll have reports on that.
Click to expand...
 
I definently think Brooks is worth giving a 2nd round draft pick in next years draft. The way they should look at is to what position they reasonably expect us to be in during next years draft order. Assuming that my prediction of the team going 8-8 is correct, we would most likely be in that 16-24 range in the 2007 draft. With all the slim pickings in next years draft concerning the MIL postion I would think that acquiring Brooks in the second round of this years Supplemental Draft would allow us to pick up more value compared to the talent at that postion next year.
 
The Texans aren't about to spend a future 2nd round pick on a guy with such a colorful history, I doubt they really look at him anyways, and if they do it won't be with anything higher than a 4th rounder.
 
Trap_Star said:
According to the link above, Brooks is projected as a DE in the NFL. WE DONT NEED ANOTHER DE....:bowser:
Click to expand...

Brooks is not a DE. He has the athletism to play there, but he is a MLB, and the best in the Nation at that.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top