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The Official Welcome Mario Williams Thread

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
Less than 24 hours away from the draft, I am quite certain, given the public statements of our intrepid GM, that tomorrow we are going to make the very unglamorous, sure to be unpopular decision and choose Mario Williams with the first pick of the draft.

As I continue to read through the majority of posts on this board, I am convinced that most people on this board don't even know who Mario Williams is, other than "some DE" who is about to spoil their months-long favorite, Reggie Bush. That being the case, allow me to tell you about Mario Williams:

Williams leaves NCST as a junior who has had a solid but relatively unremarkable career. He put up 13 sacks this season against a modest schedule. Despite that he has not amassed the spectacular highlight films of a Reggie Bush, nor the immortal status of local legend Vince Young, he is nonetheless an unprecedented physical specimen and is widely regarded by many coaching staffs and scouting departments around the league as being either equal to, slightly inferior to, or in some cases slightly superior to Reggie Bush. Though much less known or regarded amongst many fanbases, he is a bright yet somewhat raw recruit with as much upside as anyone in this year's draft, yet already a certain starter on virtually any NFL squad.

Willams has met with our coaching staff and has obviously impressed, given that his name is even in mention with once unaninimous decision Reggie Bush, let alone as a "50/50 candidate."

Here is just some of what others are saying about MW:

"An amazing natural athlete with rare ability...Has excellent size and a big frame with long arms...Outstanding pass rusher who can dominate a game...Moves well and has very good speed and quickness...Has great range and can make plays all over the field...Productive and really came on down the stretch, ending his college career with a bang...Still developing and has not yet reached his full potential." - Scott Wright (nfldraftcountdown.com)

"Possesses a rare combination of size, athletic ability and speed. Is tall and well-built. Massive wingspan with long arms and big hands. Prototypical looking DE but with exceptional natural athleticism. He flashes rare playmaking skills when he gives good effort and plays with solid technique. His upside is outstanding. He shows very good initial quickness for his size. Is able to beat most OT's with his first step. Has a powerful upper body and shows the potential to develop a wide array of effective pass rush moves. He possesses the top end speed and body control to consistently turn the corner as a perimeter pass rusher. He is a smooth, fluid athlete with outstanding COD skills for his size. Is extremely mobile and shows the ability to consistently stay off of blocks and make plays in pursuit vs. the run. He shows good speed when chasing and makes a lot of plays from behind. Is a decent open-field tackler. Shows a natural nose for the ball and generates a lot of big plays when he's in the vicinity. Effort, technique and bulk are areas of concern, but he has made progress in all three over the course of his three seasons at N.C. State. Is a young prospect that only turned 21 years old on Jan. 31st, 2006.
(ESPN Insider Preview, from Scouts Inc.)

"Williams had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran his two 40s in 4.66 and 4.72. He also recorded a 40½-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot long jump, a 4.36 short shuttle, a 7.19 three-cone drill and 35 bench presses. He played running back and defensive end in high school. He averaged 10 yards per carry as a running back, notched 13 sacks and blocked five kicks. He graduated high school in three-and-a-half years and entered N.C. State in December 2002. He started 13 games in 2003, 11 in 2004 and 12 in 2005. He had 25½ career sacks. A player much like the Panthers' Julius Peppers, Williams has great upside and is an outstanding athlete. He's very strong (35 lifts), and can be a player like the Patriots' Richard Seymour and play both end and tackle at a high level. Because of his size, things come very easy for him and he sometimes takes a play or two off. He needs to play with more urgency every play. He should be an All-Pro, Pro Bowl-type player." - NFL.com, Gil Brandt

AT THE COMBINE:
Bench pressed 225 lbs 35 (39 according to the Chron?) times.
40.5 in vertical jump.
4.66 and 4.72 in the 40.
4.36 short shuttle.
7.19 three-cone drill.
6'7", 295 lbs.

DISCLAIMER: If I am wrong in regards to this bold and fearless prediction, that is fine. I like Reggie Bush, I think he will have a fine NFL career, and I would not be upset or disappointed in the least if he has said fine NFL career with the Houston Texans. I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice.

I hope you are as excited as I am, and I hope that even the staunchest Bush or Young supporter will join me in welcoming Mr. Mario Williams to the Houston Texans.
 
K

kingh99

Guest
jerek said:
Less than 24 hours away from the draft, I am quite certain, given the public statements of our intrepid GM, that tomorrow we are going to make the very unglamorous, sure to be unpopular decision and choose Mario Williams with the first pick of the draft.

As I continue to read through the majority of posts on this board, I am convinced that most people on this board don't even know who Mario Williams is, other than "some DE" who is about to spoil their months-long favorite, Reggie Bush. That being the case, allow me to tell you about Mario Williams:

Williams leaves NCST as a junior who has had a solid but relatively unremarkable career. He put up 13 sacks this season against a modest schedule. Despite that he has not amassed the spectacular highlight films of a Reggie Bush, nor the immortal status of local legend Vince Young, he is nonetheless an unprecedented physical specimen and is widely regarded by many coaching staffs and scouting departments around the league as being either equal to, slightly inferior to, or in some cases slightly superior to Reggie Bush. Though much less known or regarded amongst many fanbases, he is a bright yet somewhat raw recruit with as much upside as anyone in this year's draft, yet already a certain starter on virtually any NFL squad.

Willams has met with our coaching staff and has obviously impressed, given that his name is even in mention with once unaninimous decision Reggie Bush, let alone as a "50/50 candidate."

Here is just some of what others are saying about MW:

"An amazing natural athlete with rare ability...Has excellent size and a big frame with long arms...Outstanding pass rusher who can dominate a game...Moves well and has very good speed and quickness...Has great range and can make plays all over the field...Productive and really came on down the stretch, ending his college career with a bang...Still developing and has not yet reached his full potential." - Scott Wright (nfldraftcountdown.com)

"Possesses a rare combination of size, athletic ability and speed. Is tall and well-built. Massive wingspan with long arms and big hands. Prototypical looking DE but with exceptional natural athleticism. He flashes rare playmaking skills when he gives good effort and plays with solid technique. His upside is outstanding. He shows very good initial quickness for his size. Is able to beat most OT's with his first step. Has a powerful upper body and shows the potential to develop a wide array of effective pass rush moves. He possesses the top end speed and body control to consistently turn the corner as a perimeter pass rusher. He is a smooth, fluid athlete with outstanding COD skills for his size. Is extremely mobile and shows the ability to consistently stay off of blocks and make plays in pursuit vs. the run. He shows good speed when chasing and makes a lot of plays from behind. Is a decent open-field tackler. Shows a natural nose for the ball and generates a lot of big plays when he's in the vicinity. Effort, technique and bulk are areas of concern, but he has made progress in all three over the course of his three seasons at N.C. State. Is a young prospect that only turned 21 years old on Jan. 31st, 2006.
(ESPN Insider Preview, from Scouts Inc.)

"Williams had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran his two 40s in 4.66 and 4.72. He also recorded a 40½-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot long jump, a 4.36 short shuttle, a 7.19 three-cone drill and 35 bench presses. He played running back and defensive end in high school. He averaged 10 yards per carry as a running back, notched 13 sacks and blocked five kicks. He graduated high school in three-and-a-half years and entered N.C. State in December 2002. He started 13 games in 2003, 11 in 2004 and 12 in 2005. He had 25½ career sacks. A player much like the Panthers' Julius Peppers, Williams has great upside and is an outstanding athlete. He's very strong (35 lifts), and can be a player like the Patriots' Richard Seymour and play both end and tackle at a high level. Because of his size, things come very easy for him and he sometimes takes a play or two off. He needs to play with more urgency every play. He should be an All-Pro, Pro Bowl-type player." - NFL.com, Gil Brandt

AT THE COMBINE:
Bench pressed 225 lbs 35 (39 according to the Chron?) times.
40.5 in vertical jump.
4.66 and 4.72 in the 40.
4.36 short shuttle.
7.19 three-cone drill.
6'7", 295 lbs.

DISCLAIMER: If I am wrong in regards to this bold and fearless prediction, that is fine. I like Reggie Bush, I think he will have a fine NFL career, and I would not be upset or disappointed in the least if he has said fine NFL career with the Houston Texans. I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice.

I hope you are as excited as I am, and I hope that even the staunchest Bush or Young supporter will join me in welcoming Mr. Mario Williams to the Houston Texans.
Reggie Bush is easily 3 times more important to this team than Williams. He's the table setter for Carr and the offense. He's the reason the O-line will be 3000% better. I cannot fathom the Texans screwing this up. It's truly unfathomable.
 

bad

Waterboy
jerek said:
...I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice.

I hope you are as excited as I am, and I hope that even the staunchest Bush or Young supporter will join me in welcoming Mr. Mario Williams to the Houston Texans.
I still think we're drafting Bush, but I hope and expect that when the dust clears we'll all have the common sense (and common decency) to welcome ALL of our newest Texans with open arms.

And while I'm at it, peace on Earth would be nice.

And a ham sammich.
 

kcwilson

Rookie
"unprecedented physical speciem" careful how you use the word unprecedented... Many believe he doesn't have the speed of a Peppers, who has set the 'precedent'.

"Outstanding pass rusher who can dominate a game" careful when you say this, because there were many games where he was a no show this year and the past few years... against a "modest schedule".

Most of his sacks came in the span of a few games, which hardly counts as dominant.

" I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice."
...with the exception of multiple contract negotiations with Bush and only a few charitable exchanges with Williams.

I am not Anti-MW, I only think that for the #1 overall pick, you take the best available with as little downside, and I don't see how Bush doesn't fit that mold better than MW.

MW will not put fans in the seats and will not draw attention NATIONALLY to the Texans. RB, his Adidas contract, and all his Subway sandwiches make us a prime time team to watch.

There was a good article somewhere about the attention that Bush brings nationally and internationally which would make McNair's quest to become the NY Yankees of the NFL more achievable. Might have been Jon Lopez. But it makes the most sense.

I like both players and would be happy with either, however, I prefer being safe with Bush at #1 and think the AFC South has their hands full chasing him and AJ around the field.
 

The Duke

Practice Squad
I am with you. I think Williams is a better fit for this team long term.

Defense wins Championships!!!!

:stirpot:
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
bad said:
I still think we're drafting Bush, but I hope and expect that when the dust clears we'll all have the common sense (and common decency) to welcome ALL of our newest Texans with open arms.

And while I'm at it, peace on Earth would be nice.

And a ham sammich.
What? No refreshing beverage????

Nice post Jerek.

I agree with the above quote. And will add that if we pick Williams, I will try to improve my PSLs even better and buy from some disappointed sucka.
 
kcwilson said:
MW will not put fans in the seats and will not draw attention NATIONALLY to the Texans. RB, his Adidas contract, and all his Subway sandwiches make us a prime time team to watch.
Why not? If Mario leads the defense in sacks and helps turn them around statistically the team will be winning more, no? When you win you get butts in the seats. You get media attention. Hell, even top defensive ends get good jersey sales. I was pro-Reggie Bush and Anti-Mario for a long time, now I'm really up in the air about both. A top DE is 10x harder to come by than a top RB.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
kingh99 said:
Reggie Bush is easily 3 times more important to this team than Williams. He's the table setter for Carr and the offense. He's the reason the O-line will be 3000% better. I cannot fathom the Texans screwing this up. It's truly unfathomable.
Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.
 

kcwilson

Rookie
WildBlackBear32 said:
Why not? If Mario leads the defense in sacks and helps turn them around statistically the team will be winning more, no? When you win you get butts in the seats. You get media attention. Hell, even top defensive ends get good jersey sales. I was pro-Reggie Bush and Anti-Mario for a long time, now I'm really up in the air about both. A top DE is 10x harder to come by than a top RB.
Not for garnering national attention... Chicks dig the longball. Imagine the Texans power by having a native SoCal product on your team... with no LA team and SD moving to Vegas.

Reggie has way more star power than Williams... undisputed. And that is what will drive national attention.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
Porky said:
Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.
Come on porky, don't gas out on me yet. What is wrong about that is that this quote is exactly the same thing -- almost word for word -- that you have been criticizing in the Young camp.

I truly hope you can embrace the massive upside of both Bush and Williams. As I say, I like both of them and would be overly excited to watch either suit up for us next year. Both are tremendous game changers and both are going to do big things in this league. I just firmly believe MW is going to be a Texan this time tomorrow.
 

bad

Waterboy
Porky said:
...Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard...
Yep. Pretty stupid. But stupider than picking a player because a mattress salesman demanded it? 'Cuz that would be Super Duper Stupid.

:stirpot:
 

V Man

Pumpkinhead
WildBlackBear32 said:
. A top DE is 10x harder to come by than a top RB.
This is why I think they are still talking to two players. Even as good as Bush is, Kubiack knows with his system you can win will a solid back not necessarily a stud one. But on the other hand, our pass rush stinks out loud. That is why I wouldn't hate getting Bush, but I am personally pulling for Super Mario :superman:
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
kcwilson said:
Not for garnering national attention... Chicks dig the longball. Imagine the Texans power by having a native SoCal product on your team... with no LA team and SD moving to Vegas.

Reggie has way more star power than Williams... undisputed. And that is what will drive national attention.
I do not really give a damn about national media attention to be honest with you. Mike Vick got national media attention -- went to the Pro Bowl again this year, despite sucking -- and the Falcons got a big flash in the pan for that multi million dollar contract. Ask New England how that "no media attention" thing is working out for them. Show me the Reggie Bush on that lousy team. I want to watch wins, and fans want to watch wins. Not in the ballpark of saying Reggie Bush won't make us a better team, but the FO has to be concerned with winning. If they feel Mario Williams improves this team more than Reggie Bush, then they draft Mario Williams.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
Hulk75 said:
He is a little drunk dont mind him, I know you know the World knows it is Reggie Bush, I just feel bad it looks like he put a lot of work into that picture.
Not really, took less than ten minutes :) I just have Photoshop skill on top of skill. Besides, I'm not drunk, I'm at the office. I am however afraid that lot of people are going to be angry drunks about this time tomorrow, which sucks, because we are going to be getting an amazing player and it is going to take half of this board eight games into the season and halfway toward a DROY campaign to warm up to that fact.
 

david0205

Practice Squad
Porky said:
Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.
AMEN AMEN....freaking retards....you know, TAKE ME. I will sign for 10% less than Alex Smith. Forget Bush and Williams. Ask Trevor Cobb is he wants to come out of retirement!!!
 

kcwilson

Rookie
jerek said:
I do not really give a damn about national media attention to be honest with you. Mike Vick got national media attention -- went to the Pro Bowl again this year, despite sucking -- and the Falcons got a big flash in the pan for that multi million dollar contract. Ask New England how that "no media attention" thing is working out for them. Show me the Reggie Bush on that lousy team. I want to watch wins, and fans want to watch wins. Not in the ballpark of saying Reggie Bush won't make us a better team, but the FO has to be concerned with winning. If they feel Mario Williams improves this team more than Reggie Bush, then they draft Mario Williams.
With all due respecet, it isn't about what you want. It is what McNair wants. A man doesn't get that rich and then say, "You know what? I am good now. I don't want too much money."

Bush is more marketable, and I feel McNair would like to believe that with his talent, he can get a stud offense and if we suck this year (which is a distinct possibility), take a stud DE next year after the Peek/Babin at RDE experiment turns into a debacle. This team has never had an explosive offense... and if we can fix that, then football is more exciting because at least we score.

CHICKS DIG THE LONGBALL.

I like MW too. If we get him I am 100% behind him. Tomorrow only really tells us as fans what development path mgmt is taking with the team - win now vs. win later.
 
kcwilson said:
Not for garnering national attention... Chicks dig the longball. Imagine the Texans power by having a native SoCal product on your team... with no LA team and SD moving to Vegas.

Reggie has way more star power than Williams... undisputed. And that is what will drive national attention.
What I'm imagining is having two runningbacks with FAT contracts on the same team. A team who was DEAD last in rush defense and middle of the pack in rush offense last season. A team who gave up THE MOST POINTS IN THE LEAGUE.

Media attention is nice and all, but I'll take Ws.
 

Texans_Chick

Utopian Dreamer
Porky said:
Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.

I think that the Texans are being aggressive with this because of Joel Segal being a wild card. He has never had a first pick in the draft and he has had a high percentage of his first round players hold out. We cannot afford to spend a bunch of money on RB holding out--too many things that he needs to work on in the offense--there is too much stuff going on with new stuff--don't need a non-signed first pick too.

Segal gets his money from this contract. Not from all the marketing stuff going on because that goes to the marketing firm.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
Hulk75 said:
Okay buddy.........Bets?
I will put up $25 to the first four takers, though I am sketchy about MB bets because I frankly do not put much faith in being paid if I win. So if you accept, I sincerely hope you will be a big man and pay. And I only wager that $100 max because while I am a gambling man that takes educated risks, I do not wager what I cannot afford to lose, and I do not intend to wager more than is necessary to prove a point and have a little fun in the process.
 

kcwilson

Rookie
WildBlackBear32 said:
What I'm imagining is having two runningbacks with FAT contracts on the same team. A team who was DEAD last in rush defense and middle of the pack in rush offense last season. A team who gave up THE MOST POINTS IN THE LEAGUE.

Media attention is nice and all, but I'll take Ws.
Correct... there is no disputing that. I want W's as well because there is nothing like sitting home and watching your team win the a**-hander's award for the 16th straight week.

It is McNair's money and he will do with it as he pleases to grow that money. Having Reggie with national endorsements increases the Texans exposure. More team revenue, more national fervor and attendance for Texans, more free agents... better long term outlook. I have long said on different posts that this is not a 1 year turn around project. Next year's draft is about the defense.
 

kcwilson

Rookie
jerek said:
I will put up $25 to the first four takers, though I am sketchy about MB bets because I frankly do not put much faith in being paid if I win. So if you accept, I sincerely hope you will be a big man and pay. And I only wager that $100 max because while I am a gambling man that takes educated risks, I do not wager what I cannot afford to lose, and I do not intend to wager more than is necessary to prove a point and have a little fun in the process.
I am in... $25, provided that Houston keeps the #1 pick. If Houston doesn't keep the #1, all best off.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
kcwilson said:
With all due respecet, it isn't about what you want. It is what McNair wants. A man doesn't get that rich and then say, "You know what? I am good now. I don't want too much money."

Bush is more marketable, and I feel McNair would like to believe that with his talent, he can get a stud offense and if we suck this year (which is a distinct possibility), take a stud DE next year after the Peek/Babin at RDE experiment turns into a debacle. This team has never had an explosive offense... and if we can fix that, then football is more exciting because at least we score.

CHICKS DIG THE LONGBALL.

I like MW too. If we get him I am 100% behind him. Tomorrow only really tells us as fans what development path mgmt is taking with the team - win now vs. win later.
You are correct that Bush is more marketable and will generate more revenue (at first).

That said, winning teams generate revenue. We've been over this argument before (not necessarily you and I, but I and others on this board) and I thought I had sufficiently proven that winning is a far more reliable and consistent generator of revenue. This argument didn't fly when it was a question of drafting Vince and it doesn't fly for questions of drafting Reggie either. As I said, show me the Reggie Bush-esque player on the New England Patriots. I wonder how Robert Kraft manages to sleep at night with all of that revenue his mini dynasty generates, knowing that he doesn't have an ESPN nightly highlight reel guy on that entire roster.

As well, Bob McNair hires coaches and scouting staffs and VPs and all sorts of people with neat titles and job duties to assemble his team. You are sorely mistaken if you believe Bob McNair is going to step in and tell them to draft Reggie because of his "marketability." If that were the case then you and I both know Vince would have been the obvious choice from Day 1. You can't go five minutes on the board or listening to the radio in this city without hearing some teary-eyed rant about Vince and why so and so will no longer support the Texans now that they aren't drafting him, or some last minute plea to McNair to draft the guy, as if Vince was on death row looking for a last minute stay. Drafting Vince Young would give the Texans an immediate strangehold on the entire state of Texas.

This isn't about marketability, this is about who gives us the best shot at winning. Winning produces consistent and eventually much more explosive revenue, cut and dried, end of story.
 

stevo3883

Rookie
jerek said:
As I said, show me the Reggie Bush-esque player on the New England Patriots. I wonder how Robert Kraft manages to sleep at night with all of that revenue his mini dynasty generates, knowing that he doesn't have an ESPN nightly highlight reel guy on that entire roster.
ummm, Tom Brady?
 

JDizzle

I'm a dude
But jerek, Mario Williams is such a RAW talent and has only had ONE GOOD YEAR, he's going to require some work in the NFL.

Wow, that looks strangely familiar ....
 

MikeMc

Rookie
Maybe it is who helps most. If RB is going to be a hold out, it could stunt his growth in Kube's system. Which would be a waste.

Defensive pass rush has been a problem for the Texans since the inception of the team, save for James Posey! LOL. So this is a no-brainer.

BTW, he had 14.5 sacks in 2005, not 13. Besides, his skills were sharpened in the 3rd quarter of the season, and look what he did. Upside anyone??
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Texans_Chick said:
I think that the Texans are being aggressive with this because of Joel Segal being a wild card. He has never had a first pick in the draft and he has had a high percentage of his first round players hold out. We cannot afford to spend a bunch of money on RB holding out--too many things that he needs to work on in the offense--there is too much stuff going on with new stuff--don't need a non-signed first pick too.

Segal gets his money from this contract. Not from all the marketing stuff going on because that goes to the marketing firm.
Aren't you jumping the gun here? You are making a big leap of logic. So, now if a prospect doesn't sign by draft day he is a holdout? They have 3 months to sign him after the draft. You don't let that rule your decision on draft day, and if they do take Williams that WILL be the deciding factor which is pathetic.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
stevo3883 said:
ummm, Tom Brady?
Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a big arm, doesn't do much of anything but make good decisions in the pocket, and he was absolutely unknown until he became the cool-under-fire, topdog QB on a very well-rounded and well coached franchise.

If you want to liken him to Reggie Bush, feel free, but I don't. Any way, this has gotten off point. I'm not here to argue against Reggie Bush. I'm here to argue for Mario Williams.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
MikeMc said:
Maybe it is who helps most. If RB is going to be a hold out, it could stunt his growth in Kube's system. Which would be a waste.

Defensive pass rush has been a problem for the Texans since the inception of the team, save for James Posey! LOL. So this is a no-brainer.

BTW, he had 14.5 sacks in 2005, not 13. Besides, his skills were sharpened in the 3rd quarter of the season, and look what he did. Upside anyone??
Sounds like upside to me. I am glad to see you and others embracing Mario already. This is going better than I had expected it to.
 

MikeMc

Rookie
Here Here!!

He averaged almost 20 TFL per season!!!! Considering he avg's about 60 tckls per season.......he was in the backfield a lot!

Strong, big and fast! What's not to love??? Long arms, can jump, is dominating. Need I say more? Started as a Freshman! :superman:

Oh, I have been on the "Draft Mario" circuit for some time now. He is a beast, and he is the DE that the team needs to help the defense....which will help the offense.
 

Buffi2

Veteran
Porky said:
Aren't you jumping the gun here? You are making a big leap of logic. So, now if a prospect doesn't sign by draft day he is a holdout? They have 3 months to sign him after the draft.

Triple true - but McNair doesn't like to play that 3 month game. He has a horse race next weekend and certainly can't be worrying his pretty little head about football players not signing contracts. Can't blame him - if Bush wants to be drafted as #1 - he will sign.

You don't let that rule your decision on draft day, and if they do take Williams that WILL be the deciding factor which is pathetic.
Also true - but between these two players, I don't think you can go wrong - so you might as well get the one who is willing to sign, get the show on the road, and make it to camp on time. Whichever one - Williams or Bush - the Texans will be a better team because they are here - maybe not as flashy with Williams - but still better. No matter which one we sign - there will be the woulda shoulda coulda folks who follow those we didn't pick ad nauseum.

My sincere hope is that the Texans are never in this position again.:cool:
 

stevo3883

Rookie
jerek said:
Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a big arm, doesn't do much of anything but make good decisions in the pocket, and he was absolutely unknown until he became the cool-under-fire, topdog QB on a very well-rounded and well coached franchise.

If you want to liken him to Reggie Bush, feel free, but I don't. Any way, this has gotten off point. I'm not here to argue against Reggie Bush. I'm here to argue for Mario Williams.

seemed like you asked who the patriots superstar money maker media darling was, and it's obviously tom brady. I don't know about all of that other stuff...
 

kcwilson

Rookie
jerek said:
You are correct that Bush is more marketable and will generate more revenue (at first).

That said, winning teams generate revenue. We've been over this argument before (not necessarily you and I, but I and others on this board) and I thought I had sufficiently proven that winning is a far more reliable and consistent generator of revenue. This argument didn't fly when it was a question of drafting Vince and it doesn't fly for questions of drafting Reggie either. As I said, show me the Reggie Bush-esque player on the New England Patriots. I wonder how Robert Kraft manages to sleep at night with all of that revenue his mini dynasty generates, knowing that he doesn't have an ESPN nightly highlight reel guy on that entire roster.

As well, Bob McNair hires coaches and scouting staffs and VPs and all sorts of people with neat titles and job duties to assemble his team. You are sorely mistaken if you believe Bob McNair is going to step in and tell them to draft Reggie because of his "marketability." If that were the case then you and I both know Vince would have been the obvious choice from Day 1. You can't go five minutes on the board or listening to the radio in this city without hearing some teary-eyed rant about Vince and why so and so will no longer support the Texans now that they aren't drafting him, or some last minute plea to McNair to draft the guy, as if Vince was on death row looking for a last minute stay. Drafting Vince Young would give the Texans an immediate strangehold on the entire state of Texas.

This isn't about marketability, this is about who gives us the best shot at winning. Winning produces consistent and eventually much more explosive revenue, cut and dried, end of story.
I am not taking the VY bait, but the fact that Reggie has an adidas deal already signed is proof enough as to who America would be interested in tuning in to see.

Don't you want to be "America's team"?
 

stevo3883

Rookie
MikeMc said:
Here Here!!

He averaged almost 20 TFL per season!!!! Considering he avg's about 60 tckls per season.......he was in the backfield a lot!

Strong, big and fast! What's not to love??? Long arms, can jump, is dominating. Need I say more? Started as a Freshman! :superman:
inconsistant, questionable motor, and workout warrior.

can you say CAUTION FLAGS???
 

kcwilson

Rookie
stevo3883 said:
inconsistant, questionable motor, and workout warrior.

can you say CAUTION FLAGS???
I wouldn't say that inconsistent and questionable motor are the red flags...

He was rumored to be asked to play within a scheme that limited his play (or something to that effect).

The red flag on him is the unknown of what he can/can't do because of that. Is it an inconsistent motor or a product of the system. It is up to coaching to decide.

Knowing that, I think that makes him more of a risk, which is not what you want at #1, with #1 money at risk. Some believe there is more upside, some believe that the upside is minimal. Either way, it is a trememdous risk for a #1 selection in my opinion.

I think he has tremendous upside.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
kcwilson said:
I am not taking the VY bait, but the fact that Reggie has an adidas deal already signed is proof enough as to who America would be interested in tuning in to see.

Don't you want to be "America's team"?
I understand your point, and as I have stated many times, IMO, Reggie Bush is one hell of a pickup for us. I am simply stating that I believe we are draftng Mario Williams. Casserly practically stamped it on his forehead these last three days. In the end, winning generates revenue.

America's team would be awesome, but look around the NFL. Who is currently "America's team?" The closest thing we've got, IMO, are the Steelers and the Patriots. Both are headlined by unflashy, fairly simplistic but extremely efficient quarterbacks. Neither have any Reggie-Bush-esque player on their roster. Both feature fantastic, dominating defenses. Neither show up on the ESPN highlight reels all too often. Both are brutally efficient in their execution of the game.

I myself am a fan of winning, first and foremost. Understand me: other than being $100 poorer for it, I have absolutely zero issue with us drafting Reggie. He will be a great NFL player, and I think he will make us that much better for having him. But, IMO, the "draft for popularity" is a weak argument. If it is a dead coin flip between MW and RB, then give the tie-breaker to popularity, sure. But if our coaches feel MW is going to make us better than RB will, then we simply have to draft MW. IMO.
 

bckey

All Pro
It is fine and all to make your prediction Jerek but to act like most people on these boards don't know much about Mario Williams is ridiculous.
 

kcwilson

Rookie
jerek said:
I understand your point, and as I have stated many times, IMO, Reggie Bush is one hell of a pickup for us. I am simply stating that I believe we are draftng Mario Williams. Casserly practically stamped it on his forehead these last three days. In the end, winning generates revenue.

America's team would be awesome, but look around the NFL. Who is currently "America's team?" The closest thing we've got, IMO, are the Steelers and the Patriots. Both are headlined by unflashy, fairly simplistic but extremely efficient quarterbacks. Neither have any Reggie-Bush-esque player on their roster. Both feature fantastic, dominating defenses. Neither show up on the ESPN highlight reels all too often. Both are brutally efficient in their execution of the game.

I myself am a fan of winning, first and foremost. Understand me: other than being $100 poorer for it, I have absolutely zero issue with us drafting Reggie. He will be a great NFL player, and I think he will make us that much better for having him. But, IMO, the "draft for popularity" is a weak argument. If it is a dead coin flip between MW and RB, then give the tie-breaker to popularity, sure. But if our coaches feel MW is going to make us better than RB will, then we simply have to draft MW. IMO.
Solid thinking... I respect the point of view. Any way it works out, we get a hell of a player!

And btw, if there is a cool t-shirt, size large in that $25 price range at the draft day parties, then I would take that in lieu of cash. I'd re-imburse for any shipping and handling above and beyond $25.
 

MikeMc

Rookie
Houston is a dead "market". It is in the Third Coast, and everyone knows that LA and NYC are the markets. DAL gets love because of its storied history and SBs.

Houston barely got a sniff with the World Series/NBA All-Star game/ MLB All-Star Game/ SuperBowl combined!!!!

They mention Roger Clemens, and everyone talks about NY or Boston. David Carr was that sexy #1 pick, and look what he got out of it...Momentum BMW and Sienna Plantation commercials!! Woo Hoo.

So to think that drafting Reggie will shift the media circus' attention to Houston is just not thinking clearly.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
bckey said:
It is fine and all to make your prediction Jerek but to act like most people on these boards don't know much about Mario Williams is ridiculous.
I don't think it is ridiculous at all, friend. If you know all about Mario, great. Suffice it to say, I believe that most people don't. If you disagree with me, that is fine too.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
kcwilson said:
Solid thinking... I respect the point of view. Any way it works out, we get a hell of a player!

And btw, if there is a cool t-shirt, size large in that $25 price range at the draft day parties, then I would take that in lieu of cash. I'd re-imburse for any shipping and handling above and beyond $25.
Will do my best to score a good one for you, in the event that I am wrong. Any other takers?
 

MikeMc

Rookie
bckey, most people on here have never heard of Mario before Feb.....it was all about VY or Reggie Bush. Don't kid yourself!!!

Hmm, coaches let him take off after game 6 and look what happened. To have 5 and 6 sacks, then 14.5 shows something. Plus 20 TFL avg for 3 yrs shows something too.

Stop giving into the pro-RB banter.......Mario is the beast we have hoped for. We will finally make up for passing on Julius Peppers of 2002 Draft!
 

swtbound07

Jackass of Day!
jerek said:
Will do my best to score a good one for you, in the event that I am wrong. Any other takers?

Hey Jerek, could you grab me a shirt as well? No bets, i want williams too, but im in florida and will pay you for all costs (kindly keep it under 50 bucks total though)

*edit* im an extra large
 

kcwilson

Rookie
swtbound07 said:
Hey Jerek, could you grab me a shirt as well? No bets, i want williams too, but im in florida and will pay you for all costs (kindly keep it under 50 bucks total though)

*edit* im an extra large

Dude, jerek... you got yourself a nice little side business here... include a 15% service fee on all orders of course.
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
Lenny P, on ESPN news, just said that teh Texans are shifting their focus from Bush to Mario.

Getting interesting.
 

jerek

Pro Hobbyist
Hoth-Boy said:
Lenny P, on ESPN news, just said that teh Texans are shifting their focus from Bush to Mario.

Getting interesting.
Believe me now or wait until tomorrow, but you might as well start dealing with it if you don't like Williams, or embrace it if you do.

Mario Williams is going to be a Texan.
 
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