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Texans' rejection still was surprise for Young

Mike Kerns

Mike Kerns

LYSB Podcast

By JOHN MCCLAIN

"Yeah, I was still surprised when I heard about it," said Young, who came to New York this week to participate in events leading up to this weekend's draft. "I know what the media's been saying about them not taking me, but I wanted to play for my hometown team.

"If they don't want me, well, I know it's a business. I'm kind of disappointed, but I have to get ready for the draft and be prepared to play for the team that wants me."
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There is more in the article.

Here come the "He will dominate us twice a year" complaints...
 
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.
 
Thats too bad...Oh well it will be fun facing him! We will need mario williams to stop him however!
 
Texas said:
Thats too bad...Oh well it will be fun facing him! We will need mario williams to stop him however!
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We don't have anyone to stop him. We better pray he doesn't go to the Titans. That will be must see TV, 2 times a year. If he goes to Oaktown, we'll see him as well.
 
Long-Spurs-Texan said:
We don't have anyone to stop him. We better pray he doesn't go to the Titans. That will be must see TV, 2 times a year. If he goes to Oaktown, we'll see him as well.
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News Flash!!

The Spread isn't run in the NFL.

No need to worry, well mabye the international competition in the Shot Put needs to worry, but not the Texans
 
kastofsna said:
he's even dumber than i thought.
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I think people that have to try and tear down a good kid who has done nothing to them are the people with intelligence problems. Reeks of an inferiority complex. I didn't want to pick the guy but someone saying that he still hoped to play for his hometown team is now dumb?Grow up.
 
Htown34s said:
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.
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I agree for the most part. Vince is only 20 or 21 years old , still a "kid" somewhat who's dream was to play pro ball for the city he grew up in, which he kept no secret of. Calling him dumb just because he kept hoping for that dream to become reality is just lame IMO.
 
JackDizzle said:
I agree for the most part. Vince is only 20 or 21 years old , still a "kid" somewhat who's dream was to play pro ball for the city he grew up in, which he kept no secret of. Calling him dumb just because he kept hoping for that dream to become reality is just lame IMO.
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Thank you. I wrote that above. The only people showing their intelligence here are the ones who have to make themselves feel better by putting a good kid down.
 
Personally, yes, I am in Camp Reggie. But I am a Texas fan & I was cheering for the Horns at the Rose Bowl. I really like Vince. But I think the reason it has translated to hate for a lot of people is because of the blind devotion to the kid. People wanted Houston to draft just because of where he was from. Hardly anyone had a problem with Carr before January 5th. That is what frustrated a lot of people and made them just tear apart VY's game:twocents:
 
HoustonFrog said:
Thank you. I wrote that above. The only people showing their intelligence here are the ones who have to make themselves feel better by putting a good kid down.
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While he may be a good kid and player, lets look at his post Rose Bowl decisions.

1. Hiring a family friend as agent and advisor...Least its a step up from Ricky hiring a rapper.

2. Declaring he would workout at the combine...nevermind.

3. Puts trust in friend to deliver suit for White House visit...not working.

4. Runs 40 at proday for the hell of it...spur of the moment decision that couldn't help him, only hurt his status.

His off the field decision haven't been the best and planning and preparing for NFL defenses is key for a QB.

Hard Work beats Talent when Talent doesn't work hard.
 
Frak The Jags said:
Personally, yes, I am in Camp Reggie. But I am a Texas fan & I was cheering for the Horns at the Rose Bowl. I really like Vince. But I think the reason it has translated to hate for a lot of people is because of the blind devotion to the kid. People wanted Houston to draft just because of where he was from. Hardly anyone had a problem with Carr before January 5th. That is what frustrated a lot of people and made them just tear apart VY's game:twocents:
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Maybe so but there were a TON of people who didn't like Carr before the Rose Bowl. So that isn't necesserily true. I can see how UT homer can be hard to talk to but so is Carr homer, Casserly homer or whomever else. Arguments against these people are cool by me but just name calling is so high school. I just want people to step up to the plate with sound reasoning.:)
 
Frills said:
While he may be a good kid and player, lets look at his post Rose Bowl decisions.

1. Hiring a family friend as agent and advisor...Least its a step up from Ricky hiring a rapper.

2. Declaring he would workout at the combine...nevermind.

3. Puts trust in friend to deliver suit for White House visit...not working.

4. Runs 40 at proday for the hell of it...spur of the moment decision that couldn't help him, only hurt his status.

His off the field decision haven't been the best and planning and preparing for NFL defenses is key for a QB.

Hard Work beats Talent when Talent doesn't work hard.
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1) Maybe not perfect but he trusts the guys and so far no one has had problems dealing with him

2) Do you know how many people skip the combine or pull out yearly?It is a non-issue. Every national media outlet said it was the smart thing to do. Why not workout on your home turf?Non-issue. People were reaching. Leinart did the same thing.

3) White house has 3 different stories..one being that a friend had no suit and he didn't want him being the only one out there. He is 21 and apologized.

4) Hasn't hurt him at all because people watch film. He is still a 3-7 pick which is where he would have been before all of this.

Of course Leinart not doing pro day, firing his agent, etc gets mere blurbs and he is smart?Seriously. Not everything has been sound for VY but right now it is working out fine.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Of course Leinart not doing pro day, firing his agent, etc gets mere blurbs and he is smart?Seriously.
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Not to mention, his "association" with Paris Hilton this offseason.
 
Htown34s said:
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.
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Agreed. I never thought I'd see the day when Texans were tearing down Texans. Hell I even defend (Pres.) Bush crazy behind against anyone outside of Texas. And I don't agree with ANYTHING he's done.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Not to mention, his "association" with Paris Hilton this offseason.
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I would be associated with that ugly brat too, given the chance. Do you know how much money she has? :)
 
Vince is a competitor and believes in his heart that he will win every time.

You can make fun of him for that (or mock his intelligence), but it is that belief and his determination that brought UT it's National Championship in what is considered on the best college football games of all time.

What is really surprising is that Reggie people are getting what they want, Reggie Bush as the #1 draft pick, and they are still bashing Vince.
 
Speaking of Paris...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12397029/

By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 5:56 p.m. ET April 26, 2006
Does Paris Hilton have a gambling habit?

The partying heiress is apparently a poker aficionado, and says she always wins the game in Vegas. But the buzz is that she doesn’t always win — and actually lost her beloved Bentley — valued at over $150,000 — in a recent game, according to various reports. But now an online poker company is offering Hilton a chance to win a new Bently. “If she goes heads-up online in a no-limit Texas Hold'em challenge against poker legend Mike Sexton and wins we’ll hand her the keys to a brand spanking new Bentley,” PartyPoker.com spokesman Warren Lush told the Hamilton Spectator. “Forget one night in Paris, we're offering her one night to win her wheels back.”
 
Frills said:
Speaking of Paris...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12397029/

By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 5:56 p.m. ET April 26, 2006
Does Paris Hilton have a gambling habit?

The partying heiress is apparently a poker aficionado, and says she always wins the game in Vegas. But the buzz is that she doesn’t always win - and actually lost her beloved Bentley - valued at over $150,000 - in a recent game, according to various reports. But now an online poker company is offering Hilton a chance to win a new Bently. “If she goes heads-up online in a no-limit Texas Hold'em challenge against poker legend Mike Sexton and wins we’ll hand her the keys to a brand spanking new Bentley,” PartyPoker.com spokesman Warren Lush told the Hamilton Spectator. “Forget one night in Paris, we're offering her one night to win her wheels back.”
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I do not believe that woman can tie her shoes, let alone win consistently against any kind of real competition at poker. The game involves too much thought and intelligence for her "winnings" - whatever they may be - to be anything but a fluke. As to her losing her Bentley, well if it's true, I would laugh. Too bad Daddy will probably just buy her another one.
 
Anyone who thought VY was dumb is just stupid. This isn't about whether they (the players) are dumb - it's about who we should take.

We should take Reggie. Don't get me wrong - I love VY, just like I like Mario and AJ. But that doesn't mean we should take him. I do believe VY won't be as successful in the NFL as some of the VY people think he will. Those who think he will 'run' through the NFL like he did the Rose Bowl are kidding themselves. Just as Reggie won't have 563 all purpose yards a game (like against Fresno St.), VY will not run for 200 every week against NFL d's.

But Reggie fits us better and gives us better matchups then VY does. Simples as that.
 
Frak The Jags said:
Personally, yes, I am in Camp Reggie. But I am a Texas fan & I was cheering for the Horns at the Rose Bowl. I really like Vince. But I think the reason it has translated to hate for a lot of people is because of the blind devotion to the kid. People wanted Houston to draft just because of where he was from. Hardly anyone had a problem with Carr before January 5th. That is what frustrated a lot of people and made them just tear apart VY's game:twocents:
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So what...... Hometown kid wants to play for his hometown team....... hometown fans want the hometown kid to play for their hometown team...... so what.....

You know it doesn't matter what they say.... you know it doesn't matter what he says..... you know it doesn't matter what you say......

fans will be fans, and whether they are season ticket holders, watch every game on TV, or the catch a football game when they can fans shouldn't make a sh!t..... they are fans.
 
Texansfan30 said:
But Reggie fits us better and gives us better matchups then VY does. Simples as that.
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Let's see..... we have a running back who came in off the bench, and managed to be ranked 19th in the NFL his rookie season, missing 2 games. He came back in 2004, raised his NFL ranking amoung NFL running backs to 15th, and rushing for more than 1000 yards, 1788 all purpose yards, and 14 NFL touchdowns against NFL defenses. His third year, he ranks 9th of all NFL running backs, missing 5 games... 1313 all purpose yards, 5 TDs on a team with no passing game, that went 2-14. In those three seasons, he played as well as, if not better than Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn, and Edgerin James did their first three seasons.... and he played in as many games as all of those "injury proned" runningbacks.

Denver doesn't, and hasn't played split backs, or even this RBBC notion.

Denver has never(to my knowledge) motioned a running back to the slot. Or even thought about using a running back as a WR.

We've already got a pass catching catching backfield.

We already have a ProBowl Kick returner.

We already have two #1 recievers/playmakers, and a tightend to spread the defense........ and keep everyone guessing.

I'm having a hard time finding where Reggie Bush "fits" this team.
 
Texansfan30 said:
Anyone who thought VY was dumb is just stupid. This isn't about whether they (the players) are dumb - it's about who we should take.

We should take Reggie. Don't get me wrong - I love VY, just like I like Mario and AJ. But that doesn't mean we should take him. I do believe VY won't be as successful in the NFL as some of the VY people think he will. Those who think he will 'run' through the NFL like he did the Rose Bowl are kidding themselves. Just as Reggie won't have 563 all purpose yards a game (like against Fresno St.), VY will not run for 200 every week against NFL d's.

But Reggie fits us better and gives us better matchups then VY does. Simples as that.
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It looks like your statement assumes Carr will perform to #1 draft pick expectations. If Carr doesn't perform, Reggie probably isn't a better fit for us over Vince Young.

Just something to think about.
 
Htown34s said:
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.
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The anti VY crowd is nasty. Well yes, but The Pro VY crowd is just as bad. Why tear up Carr like he's the worst? Yes, he also shares the blame for the teams collapse, but it ain't just him. But I think the PRO VY drones are even worse because they are blinded by either the hometown or the UT factor. Big FREAKING deal where he's from. If he ain't the BPA, that's it!! Case closed. He's not the BPA. Have you at all thought about the fact possibility that VY might be just an OK pro or even (gasp) a BUST? Oh no, that's impossible because he's from Houston and that will protect him from all harm. What a bad joke of a notion it is to take a player 1st overall even though he is not the BPA because of his ZIP and college.
 
Oh, forgot.... he played 2 games less than Ladanian Tomlinson did his rookie year. DD avg 4.3 yards a carry, and 7.5 yards/reception, compared to LT's 3.6 ypc, and 6.2 yards/reception. 14 TDs for DD, 15 for LT. LT's longest run was 54 yards, and he had 7 carries longer than 20 yards. DD's longest was 51 yards, and he had 5 carries for more than 20 yards(remember, he played 2 games less than LT).

And, LT played on a better team than DD did.
 
Chicagotexan1 said:
The anti VY crowd is nasty. Well yes, but The Pro VY crowd is just as bad. Why tear up Carr like he's the worst? Yes, he also shares the blame for the teams collapse, but it ain't just him. But I think the PRO VY drones are even worse because they are blinded by either the hometown or the UT factor. Big FREAKING deal where he's from. If he ain't the BPA, that's it!! Case closed. He's not the BPA. Have you at all thought about the fact possibility that VY might be just an OK pro or even (gasp) a BUST? Oh no, that's impossible because he's from Houston and that will protect him from all harm. What a bad joke of a notion it is to take a player 1st overall even though he is not the BPA because of his ZIP and college.
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First, the BPA may not be the best fit for the team as a whole. I am sure Detriot took a WR for three years in a row in the top 10 because they were appling the BPA approach. IMO, first you build a system and scout the talent accordingly. Look at Pittsburgh, Denver, and New England.

It is more likely that Carr will be labeled a bust before Vince Young even takes a snap in a regular season football game. Carr has to start off strong next season because he now has weapons to throw to like Johnson, Moulds, Putznier, and Bush. Not to mention Davis in the backfield. Carr should start off with pro bowl numbers.
 
hollywood_texan said:
First, the BPA may not be the best fit for the team as a whole. I am sure Detriot took a WR for three years in a row in the top 10 because they were appling the BPA approach. IMO, first you build a system and scout the talent accordingly. Look at Pittsburgh, Denver, and New England.

It is more likely that Carr will be labeled a bust before Vince Young even takes a snap in a regular season football game. Carr has to start off strong next season because he now has weapons to throw to like Johnson, Moulds, Putznier, and Bush. Not to mention Davis in the backfield. Carr should start off with pro bowl numbers.
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I agree with your assesments and I think there is a chance that Carr will bust out. But I do not think the VY is worthy of being the 1st player taken. That is all I am saying.
 
Chicagotexan1 said:
I agree with your assesments and I think there is a chance that Carr will bust out. But I do not think the VY is worthy of being the 1st player taken. That is all I am saying.
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Fair enough, I can't argue with that.

It's hard to say anyone is worth the #1 pick with all the money that goes along with it.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Go tell them that on the Titans board. Oh wait, you did.
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It's amazing how much better recieved Vince is on the Titans board, than he is on the Texans Board..... he's got supporters, and detractors(Katsofana), but overall, he is thought of very well. Some of those guys think of him as the next Steve McNair........ which I believe is a compliment coming from a Titans fan.

This is a link to an article I got off their board..... good read, if you ask me.

Something about Vince
 
thunderkyss said:
It's amazing how much better recieved Vince is on the Titans board, than he is on the Texans Board..... he's got supporters, and detractors(Katsofana), but overall, he is thought of very well.
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they have no shot at Reggie Bush
 
thunderkyss said:
It's amazing how much better recieved Vince is on the Titans board, than he is on the Texans Board..... he's got supporters, and detractors(Katsofana), but overall, he is thought of very well. Some of those guys think of him as the next Steve McNair........ which I believe is a compliment coming from a Titans fan.

This is a link to an article I got off their board..... good read, if you ask me.

Something about Vince
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That's because they are picking 3rd. That is a reasonable spot for him.
 
chuckm said:
they have no shot at Reggie Bush
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shouldn't make any difference
Chicagotexan1 said:
That's because they are picking 3rd. That is a reasonable spot for him.
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Even so..... folks here have been ripping Vince a new A-hole. Then they say no one outside of Houston would take Vince over Lienart........ I don't even think Tennessee really will, I think they should........ but their fans.... who I assume are mostly out of Houston, would be thrilled, some have even said overcome with Joy, to get Vince over Leinart, & Cutler.

But we shouldn't even consider trading down to get him........

trading down to get Vince & D'Angelo.

or anything that involves Vince coming to Houston.
 
Chicagotexan1 said:
The anti VY crowd is nasty. Well yes, but The Pro VY crowd is just as bad. Why tear up Carr like he's the worst? Yes, he also shares the blame for the teams collapse, but it ain't just him. But I think the PRO VY drones are even worse because they are blinded by either the hometown or the UT factor. Big FREAKING deal where he's from. If he ain't the BPA, that's it!! Case closed. He's not the BPA. Have you at all thought about the fact possibility that VY might be just an OK pro or even (gasp) a BUST? Oh no, that's impossible because he's from Houston and that will protect him from all harm. What a bad joke of a notion it is to take a player 1st overall even though he is not the BPA because of his ZIP and college.
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I'm in the trade down club when it was a possibility but there is no way to say whether he is the BPA..yet!I think people can see that things may not work out but EVERY player has bust potential..not just VY. Bush could be Ki-Jana for all we know. There is nothing wrong with having hometown support. What all this boils down to is people need to make FOOTBALL arguments on why they want or don't want a certain player instead of b.s. personal statements. That is why I respect a poster like Thunder..he has been VY all the way and points out the logic in football terms..like the DD/RB post. People sure cast many stones on 21 year old kids. I was doing all the right things back then..lol.
 
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