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Texans need Running Back

Eyeguy

Eyeguy

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I find it intresting that many say we don't need a RB. Most of the mock drafts I have seen that have us trading down, have us taking a RB in the later rounds. I think we only have DD and Morancy on the roster at RB after letting Wells and Hollings. I think Bush is not only the BPA he also fills a need.
 
Yes, we need a running back, but why, especially in Kubiak's system, do we need to take one at the #1 spot?
 
When you have a chance to get a player who can win a game for you everytime he touches the ball you do it. I don't think the type of offense dictates passing up this type of talent.
 
Part of it is that the media is buying in way too much to this Mario Williams talk, and the other part is the BPA/need filler starts looking less attractive when his/his agent's actions spell "potential holdout".

Then there's the writers who are getting bored with the Reggie Bush at #1 stuff. They've been writing about that since last offseason.
 
Eyeguy said:
My point is that we fill a need and get BPA when we draft R. Bush
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For what Denver does....... Addai, Moroney, and Williams are just as explosive as Reggie, if not more.
 
Eyeguy said:
My point is that we fill a need and get BPA when we draft R. Bush
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RB isn't a need pick....If you look at Denver and us, we both take a back nearly every single draft....this only means backs wear out faster than other players.
 
thunderkyss said:
For what Denver does....... Addai, Moroney, and Williams are just as explosive as Reggie, if not more.
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Please.

No "system" is going to make a running back more "explosive" than Reggie Bush.

Explosiveness is created through a combination of genetics and physical training

Maybe you meant "effective", which is an easier opinion to swallow but is still speculation.

I could just as easily speculate that Denver's system would've been more explosive and/or effective if someone with the abilities of Bush had been carrying the ball instead of say, Mike Anderson.

But that's what we're doing here. Speculating. It's pretty much all we're left with until the Texans make their choices known.

Then we can speculate about their choices.
 
Vinny said:
RB isn't a need pick....If you look at Denver and us, we both take a back nearly every single draft....this only means backs wear out faster than other players.
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The Texans have Jason Anderson, Morancy, and DD on the roster. We need depth at RB. I'm not sold on Morancy being the main back up to DD. I put this position as a depth need. Most mock drafts that show us NOT taking Bush show us taking a RB in the 2nd or with one of the 3rd's. I saw one that had us taking L. White at # 33
 
reggie bush isnt a running back. If you are arguing the running back is a need for us, you should be advocating a trade back for deangelo williams or maroney. Bush is a slash-player, meaning he doesnt really have a position. He's sort of a wide reciever, sometimes a half back, sometimes a special teamer. by no measure is he even close to the best running back available. You can argue best player, but not best running back....If he was the best running back, they would line him up there all the time. Do you see LT or barry sanders splitting out wide?
 
Eyeguy said:
The Texans have Jason Anderson, Morancy, and DD on the roster. We need depth at RB. I'm not sold on Morancy being the main back up to DD. I put this position as a depth need. Most mock drafts that show us NOT taking Bush show us taking a RB in the 2nd or with one of the 3rd's. I saw one that had us taking L. White at # 33
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You don't use the 1st overall pick to address "depth".
 
bad said:
Please.

No "system" is going to make a running back more "explosive" than Reggie Bush.

Explosiveness is created through a combination of genetics and physical training

Maybe you meant "effective", which is an easier opinion to swallow but is still speculation.

I could just as easily speculate that Denver's system would've been more explosive and/or effective if someone with the abilities of Bush had been carrying the ball instead of say, Mike Anderson.

But that's what we're doing here. Speculating. It's pretty much all we're left with until the Texans make their choices known.

Then we can speculate about their choices.
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Puh-Lease..... if Reggie were a pure runner, he wouldn't be in the top ten of this draft..... he'd be down around Williams, Moroney, and Addai.........

In Denver's system, he would be about as explosive as these pure runners..
 
thunderkyss said:
Puh-Lease..... if Reggie were a pure runner, he wouldn't be in the top ten of this draft.....
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Again, speculation.

As it turns out, Bush will likely be in the top one of this draft. But that's just speculation by myself and 99% of NFL Draft Experts.
 
swtbound07 said:
reggie bush isnt a running back. If you are arguing the running back is a need for us, you should be advocating a trade back for deangelo williams or maroney. Bush is a slash-player, meaning he doesnt really have a position. He's sort of a wide reciever, sometimes a half back, sometimes a special teamer. by no measure is he even close to the best running back available. You can argue best player, but not best running back....If he was the best running back, they would line him up there all the time. Do you see LT or barry sanders splitting out wide?
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please. he didn't run all the time because they're not stupid. bush can be used in many ways, and they had lendale white. they lost one game during his sophomore and junior seasons....so looks like the idea worked eh?
 
swtbound07 said:
reggie bush isnt a running back. If you are arguing the running back is a need for us, you should be advocating a trade back for deangelo williams or maroney. Bush is a slash-player, meaning he doesnt really have a position. He's sort of a wide reciever, sometimes a half back, sometimes a special teamer. by no measure is he even close to the best running back available. You can argue best player, but not best running back....If he was the best running back, they would line him up there all the time. Do you see LT or barry sanders splitting out wide?
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He's not a running back....not even the best back...Point me in the direction of a national mock draft that doesn't rate him BPA and best running back.
 
NederlandTexan said:
He's not a running back....not even the best back...Point me in the direction of a national mock draft that doesn't rate him BPA and best running back.
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I think the idea is that yes, he is may be BPA, but that doesn't equate to best running back. He is a situational back, not a pure runner that will be hitting between the tackles 20 times a game.
 
Texans86 said:
I think the idea is that yes, he is may be BPA, but that doesn't equate to best running back.
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No?

How can someone be the best player available without being the best at his position? That's pretzel logic.

Aside from that, every ranking I've seen has Bush as the top running back. Not just a majority. ALL of them. A decent percentage of those add "could be the best ever".

You might dig one up somewhere that says otherwise, but you'll have to work for it. That should speak volumes by itself.

No offense, but I'll take their word over any fan's.
 
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anything I really hate that is being thrown around the media, is "one of the best ever"

can one person ever live up to that hype? the microscope will be on bush 10x then everyone else.

look at Ricky Williams ..he admitted that the pressure was too much when MIkey D traded everything for him.. the pressure got to him

I can hope that Bush can be Bush and stay within himself if we draft him (more than likely we do unless the dollar am't is way too high)
 
bad said:
No?

How can someone be the best player available without being the best at his position? That's pretzel logic.

Aside from that, every ranking I've seen has Bush as the top running back. Not just a majority. ALL of them. A decent percentage of those add "could be the best ever".

You might dig one up somewhere that says otherwise, but you'll have to work for it. That should speak volumes by itself.

No offense, but I'll take their word over any fan's.
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What I was trying to say is that Reggie might be the most athletic, most NFL ready player available in this years draft, but he was a multipurpose back. He was not always in the backfield, and his versatility adds to his potential. Now, he might be the BPA, but someone who is strictly a running back, such as DeAngelo Williams might be considered a better Running Back, since he has proven he can be an all around type of back.

That way, RB is the best football player available, but not the best true running back available. I hope I cleared that up for you, I'm not quite sure how I can be any clearer.
 
Wolf said:
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anything I really hate that is being thrown around the media, is "one of the best ever"

can one person ever live up to that hype? the microscope will be on bush 10x then everyone else.

look at Ricky Williams ..he admitted that the pressure was too much when MIkey D traded everything for him.. the pressure got to him

I can hope that Bush can be Bush and stay within himself if we draft him (more than likely we do unless the dollar am't is way too high)
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Those are all excellent points and I agree with your take of all of them.

Fortunately (it appears), Bush seems to thrive under the spotlight. He'll most certainly need every bit of balance, charisma and self-awareness to handle it, but from everything we've seen he's got all three in spades.

He's definitely no Ricky Williams in terms of emotional/intellectual maturity. Not even close.
 
Texans86 said:
What I was trying to say is that Reggie might be the most athletic, most NFL ready player available in this years draft, but he was a multipurpose back. He was not always in the backfield, and his versatility adds to his potential. Now, he might be the BPA, but someone who is strictly a running back, such as DeAngelo Williams might be considered a better Running Back, since he has proven he can be an all around type of back.

That way, RB is the best football player available, but not the best true running back available. I hope I cleared that up for you, I'm not quite sure how I can be any clearer.
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You came in crystal clear the first time. I'm just disagreeing with you. For all anyone knows Bush could handle 20 carries a game. For all we know Bush can't. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Your opinion is that there are better pure running backs in this draft and I'm saying that Bush is both the best player in the draft and the best running back. I'll take it one step further; I think Bush is the best wide receiver in this draft to boot.

I think we can come to a consensus on one thing at least; we love the Texans and want the best for them. We just don't agree on what would be the best for them, and we really don't know.

At least we're here, and we care enough about the Texans to argue about crap like this on a message board.

Football is more than a sport. It's a passion.
 
Bush is neither the best back in this years draft, (Deangelo Williams), the best reciever, (Santoio Holmes), or the best Athlete (Vince Young). This post is another feable plea by the Bush-Bandwagon to slam Domanick Davis, Vince Young, or any other player that makes the position to pass on Bush look like a smart move. When are you guys going to give it up. Every one knows that the odds are in favor of the Texans taking Bush so there is no need to keep making the same lame threads over and over.
 
Reggie Bush and Clinton Portis have the same physical build, put up similiar combine numbers (bush being faster); and Portis holds up with his 22 carries a game just fine. All he did in Denver was run for 1500 twice, and 3 of his 4 years in the league. Reggie will be just fine.
 
LCROD said:
Reggie Bush and Clinton Portis have the same physical build, put up similiar combine numbers (bush being faster); and Portis holds up with his 20 carries a game just fine. All he did in Denver was run for 1500 twice, and 3 of his 4 years in the league. Reggie will be just fine.
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No they dont Portis weighs 10 lbs more than Bush. Thats 10 lbs more muscle than Bush.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Bush is neither the best back in this years draft, (Deangelo Williams), the best reciever, (Santoio Holmes), or the best Athlete (Vince Young). This post is another feable plea by the Bush-Bandwagon to slam Domanick Davis, Vince Young, or any other player that makes the position to pass on Bush look like a smart move. When are you guys going to give it up. Every one knows that the odds are in favor of the Texans taking Bush so there is no need to keep making the same lame threads over and over.
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My point is that the Texans need to draft a RB if not Bush someone else.
 
bad said:
I'll take it one step further; I think Bush is the best wide receiver in this draft to boot.

I think we can come to a consensus on one thing at least; we love the Texans and want the best for them.
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I sure agree with you on both of those points. I thought about some of the wide receivers in last years draft that went high like Braylon Edwards and Troy Williamson and then some of the backs that went high like caddy, benson, and ronnie brown. Bush sure looks like he could be better by himself than a combination of two of those guys because it looks like he can do what it would take 2 of those guys to do. Therefore I believe Bush is bpa and well worthy of going #1 whether the Texans end up with him or not.

With all of that said I still think the Texans would be better served if they can work a trade down with the Jets and get 3 extra picks. Its probably not going to happen but worth holding out until the last possable moment for. No matter what come draft day I will be very happy because the Texans will get some great players and start building this team right.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
No they dont Portis weighs 10 lbs more than Bush. Thats 10 lbs more muscle than Bush.
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Look up what he weighed at the combine.

Clinton Portis - Combine Stats:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/portis_clinton.htm
Height: 5-11
Weight: 204 (212 according to NFL.com is his current weight)
4.42 in the 40-yard dash
39-inch vertical jump
31 1/8-inch arm length
8 ¼-inch hands

Reggie Bush - Combine Stats:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/bush_reggie
Height: 5-11
Weight: 200
40 Speed: 4.35 E

He has good height for a running back and, while he is thinner than ideal for his height, within a season or two he will naturally add 10 pounds or so as all players do when they mature in their early 20s.
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Reggie will be able to put on a few more pounds of muscle just like Portis has. And best of all, the guy can catch the ball like a WR.
 
When it comes to such a top flight talent, take the talent, then adjust. Drafting for needs at #1 is a surefire way to make a major mistake.
 
Frank_The_Tank said:
Regge Bush 4.35 at his pro day, Clinto Portis ran a 4.28 at his pro day unlike Bush who said he wished he had run a 4.29 keep wishing.
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So is that your newest line? Now he's not fast enough? Go do some research and come back with some solid facts. Go ahead and take off the .08 for RB's 40 time and what does that leave you?
 
I'd love to get a trade down get Mario Williams and gain a few extra picks and in 2007 package a deal get Adrian Peterson (I doubt we will be picking in the top 3)
 
kastofsna said:
please. he didn't run all the time because they're not stupid. bush can be used in many ways, and they had lendale white. they lost one game during his sophomore and junior seasons....so looks like the idea worked eh?
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But Ronnie Brown is better than Reggie Bush, and he went second to Alex Smith.

no way Reggie should go #1 in this draft.
 
kastofsna said:
please. he didn't run all the time because they're not stupid. bush can be used in many ways, and they had lendale white. they lost one game during his sophomore and junior seasons....so looks like the idea worked eh?
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I would like to take this opportunity to ask how many games vince young lost in his sophomore and junior seasons?? Maybe the "system" they had him in was a good one.
 
Ok, I understand if you would be in favor of drafting VY, Mario Williams, or D'Brick instead of Reggie Bush - however, to say that he is not a running back is just plain stupid.

He is a running back. He is a wide receiver. He is a kick/punt returner. The point being, he is special. He could be the best in the prospective draft at anyone of these positions if this was all he did. Under your reasoning, Bush is being punished for having more talent and being more versatile than other "running back" in the draft.

If you want to draft someone esle so be it, but do not degrade Bush. He is a great prospect, and, yes, a great running back.

I am also tired of the whole plug any back into the Denver system argument. While in part this may be true, you are missing the point of the argument. Think of it this way - can you win a Super Bowl with a mediocre quarterback? Yes, Baltimore did it with Trent Dilfer. But, I do not think most people would choose to pass up Troy Aikman, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, etc. if the could. Just because mediocre backs can produce in the Denver system does not mean that Bush could take this system to a whole new level.
 
thunderkyss said:
But Ronnie Brown is better than Reggie Bush, and he went second to Alex Smith.

no way Reggie should go #1 in this draft.
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alex smith shouldn't have been a first rounder. brown was the best prospect in the draft. bush is 2nd to leinart in this draft.

swtbound07 said:
I would like to take this opportunity to ask how many games vince young lost in his sophomore and junior seasons?? Maybe the "system" they had him in was a good one.
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yeah it was a good one. your point?
 
bad said:
No?

How can someone be the best player available without being the best at his position? That's pretzel logic.

Aside from that, every ranking I've seen has Bush as the top running back. Not just a majority. ALL of them. A decent percentage of those add "could be the best ever".

You might dig one up somewhere that says otherwise, but you'll have to work for it. That should speak volumes by itself.

No offense, but I'll take their word over any fan's.
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take away all the plays, where Reggie was lined up in the slot, or as a widereciever, take away all the touchdowns. Take away all the all purpose special teams yards and touchdowns... on his stats where does he stand??

Did he ever carry the ball 20+ times during a game?? Look back in history... has there ever been a runnngback selected with the #1 overall, who did not carry the ball 20+ times??

He's an explosive running back, but fair in comparison to the pure runners.

He's an explosive reciever, but fair in comparison to a pure reciever...

As it stands right now, there is no reason to believe that Reggie can be the primary back in a one back system. There is no evidence to support Reggie could be the #1 go to reciever in your normal NFL system.

If USC had listed him as a Wide Reciever, he'd be in this draft as a wide reciever.

bad said:
He's definitely no Ricky Williams in terms of emotional/intellectual maturity. Not even close.
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Ricky looked perfectly sane prior to being drafted.

bad said:
You came in crystal clear the first time. I'm just disagreeing with you. For all anyone knows Bush could handle 20 carries a game. For all we know Bush can't. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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this is exactly the same as Vince Young. I hope you can see that. Vince did not struggle in a pro offense even though that is what everyone would have you beleive. he performed just as well as Chris Simms in that same offense, with less talent at WR. But Vince has got to prove that he can excell in that offense. I'm not saying Vince excelled in that offense, but that he performed well, and comparable to pure a pocket passer....

on the other hand, Reggie has not been the guy.... he has been one of two guys on an all star team for 5 years running. He has not carried the ball 20+ times. something he won't have to prove, because no one is talking about making him the guy..... but one of the guys.... another oddity for a #1 overall runningback...... not so strange, if you look at him like a WR though.
bad said:
Your opinion is that there are better pure running backs in this draft and I'm saying that Bush is both the best player in the draft and the best running back. I'll take it one step further; I think Bush is the best wide receiver in this draft to boot.
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Well that's fine.... you can think that. But you shouldn't use expert mock drafts as your proof. If we'd have said 6 weeks ago that we were taking D'Brickshaw ferguson with the #1 Overall, those mocks would have reflected that...... & they'd be saying D'Brick is the BPA overall. Those guys report what has happened, not what will.
bad said:
I think we can come to a consensus on one thing at least; we love the Texans and want the best for them. We just don't agree on what would be the best for them, and we really don't know.

At least we're here, and we care enough about the Texans to argue about crap like this on a message board.

Football is more than a sport. It's a passion.
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True.
LCROD said:
Reggie Bush and Clinton Portis have the same physical build, put up similiar combine numbers (bush being faster); and Portis holds up with his 22 carries a game just fine. All he did in Denver was run for 1500 twice, and 3 of his 4 years in the league. Reggie will be just fine.
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Clinton Portis also rated as a 3rd round draft pick.
el toro said:
When it comes to such a top flight talent, take the talent, then adjust. Drafting for needs at #1 is a surefire way to make a major mistake.
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When have we drafted #1 overall before to fill a need......... hmmm..... umm..

It's on the tip of my tongue...
LCROD said:
So is that your newest line? Now he's not fast enough? Go do some research and come back with some solid facts. Go ahead and take off the .08 for RB's 40 time and what does that leave you?
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Can we take .08 off Vince's time too??
 
thunderkyss said:
take away all the plays, where Reggie was lined up in the slot, or as a widereciever, take away all the touchdowns. Take away all the all purpose special teams yards and touchdowns... on his stats where does he stand??
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rofl
 
thunderkyss said:
Clinton Portis also rated as a 3rd round draft pick.
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Show me. Rated by who? Vince Young? Don't just bring up something and have no proof of it. Its seems like your a VY fan, thats great and dandy and all, so go over one whole thread and talk him up all you want. This is the "Texans need Running Back Thread."
 
I thought thunder didnt watch college football except for this year in which he only watched UT because his cousins a friend with a runningback or something.
 
LCROD said:
Show me. Rated by who? Vince Young? Don't just bring up something and have no proof of it. Its seems like your a VY fan, thats great and dandy and all, so go over one whole thread and talk him up all you want. This is the "Texans need Running Back Thread."
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I'm so sorry........ I thought he was drafted in the third...... I goofed.

CoastalTexan said:
I thought thunder didnt watch college football except for this year in which he only watched UT because his cousins a friend with a runningback or something.
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For the most part, that's right....

I can't keep track of all these teams........ This year, was the first time I followed one team all the way through.

But through the years, I caught a couple of players that I really enjoyed watching, and I've sort of become fans of theirs......
Joey Harrington, I didn't even know about David Carr till the draft....
Ladainian Tomlinson..........
Jevon Kearse.......
Vinny Testeverde, and a few others....

I would try to catch a few games, but not like set aside the time to watch them. I was interested enough to want to know who drafted them, and I follow their careers best I can.

I've just got a DVD-R...... I may not watch the games on Saturday, but I plan to have every game Jamaal Charles plays from here on out recorded where I can watch them at my leisure.
 
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