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Vince Young for Texans qb!

LongBignasty1

LongBignasty1

Waterboy
Just want to remind everyone that VY is my pick for Texans first round.
Watch the videos again (rose bowl 2004$2005) to refresh your minds on the possibility of having VY!
 
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nunusguy

Hall of Fame
I'm anxious and excited to see where VY goes in the Draft. IMO, like many others I would expect him to be a project to some degree initially, but his potential over the long-term should be extraorinary. Good luck Vince, do you home town proud, we know you will and we'll all be pulling for you !
 
Marcus

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
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Then you can look forward to your disappointment come next Saturday when Bush is already signed before he's selected.
 
kastofsna

kastofsna

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yeah watch the videos of him running around and throwing short passes in a zone-read offense. exciting.
 
Vinny

Vinny

shiny happy fan
kastofsna said:
yeah watch the videos of him running around and throwing short passes in a zone-read offense. exciting.
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50 points a game isn't enough for you guys....perhaps he should have averaged 100. That may be considered exciting to you guys...but I doubt it.
 
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Trenches

Waterboy
I didnt go to UT nor am I anti Vince Young.

I have no idea why some people still hang on to this idea that we will take him.

1.We just committed to our QB David Carr. You dont pay a guy that much money and then draft another guy and pay him almost as much to ride the pine behind him.

2. He is not going to play for at least one, if not three years. McNair needs to get people in the stadium and excited. Nobody is going just to see VY holding a clipboard.

3. I'm sure the Texans have seen the same thing in VY that a lot of other teams have. He has warts. Too many to invest this type of pick in. There is a chance he falls out of the top 5 and even top 10. Look what happened to Aaron Rodgers last year.
 
kastofsna

kastofsna

Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
50 points a game isn't enough for you guys....perhaps he should have averaged 100. That may be considered exciting to you guys...but I doubt it.
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yes, bj symons put up a lot of points as well.
 
Vinny

Vinny

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Trenches said:
I didnt go to UT nor am I anti Vince Young.

I have no idea why some people still hang on to this idea that we will take him.
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To me, it looks like the thread starter is saying that "he" would take VY...I don't see him predicting the Texans are going to take him.
 
Vinny

Vinny

shiny happy fan
kastofsna said:
yes, bj symons put up a lot of points as well.
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yeah, so did Timmy Chang...your posting style is cute to some I guess....but to me you don't look too sharp.
 
Marcus

Marcus

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Vinny said:
50 points a game isn't enough for you guys....perhaps he should have averaged 100. That may be considered exciting to you guys...but I doubt it.
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Vinny, do you think that in order for Vince to be effective in the NFL, he would need the 'zone read' system?
 
Vinny

Vinny

shiny happy fan
Marcus said:
Vinny, do you think that in order for Vince to be effective in the NFL, he would need the 'zone read' system?
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no. He has more upside than Steve McNair coming out of little Alcorn State, and they ran an offense that people laughed at when Steve made the move to the NFL.
 
Coach C.

Coach C.

Veteran
Yeah, I agree Vinny that if Young is brought along as slowly as McNair was he has the potential to have greater success. He is still not a number 1 overall pick talent, but from watching him I say he is now a first round talent which is much higher than I thought he would be.
 
kastofsna

kastofsna

Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
yeah, so did Timmy Chang...your posting style is cute to some I guess....but to me you don't look too sharp.
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young is a system QB, that's all i'm saying. :redtowel:
Vinny said:
no. He has more upside than Steve McNair coming out of little Alcorn State, and they ran an offense that people laughed at when Steve made the move to the NFL.
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it was a passing offense at alcorn state, and from what i understand, it's similar to what all the MAC QB's run.
 
Vinny

Vinny

shiny happy fan
kastofsna said:
young is a system QB, that's all i'm saying. :redtowel:

it was a passing offense at alcorn state, and from what i understand, it's similar to what all the MAC QB's run.
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You didn't say that at first....You only said he wasn't running an exciting offense. That is what I took to task.

Steve played in the Southwestern Athletic Conference (far cry from the mac) and they ran an offense that most decribed as "drawing plays in the dirt"....I was working for Bud Adams back then and heard that he was too stupid to play QB at the next level over and over that year leading up to the draft. Seems familiar to what I see when it comes to VY.
 
kastofsna

kastofsna

Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
You didn't say that at first....You only said he wasn't running an exciting offense. That is what I took to task.
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i've never found quarterbacks running a lot to be exciting. i always chuckle when someone says vick is the most exciting player in the NFL.
 
Vinny

Vinny

shiny happy fan
ok, then you should love David Carr....we didn't have a lead till week 8. It's just ignorant to claim an offense that is blowing people out each week to be worthless....that is the point of all this you know. Football is unlike Golf...you try to outscore your opponent - most people find that kind of stuff exciting in an offense. I always chuckle when people just throw out silly hatred filled posts without foundation myself.
 
kastofsna

kastofsna

Hall of Fame
system QB's aren't first rounder in my book. that's all it is. he could develop fine, but he's not worth the risk of drafting in the first round. i said the same thing of alex smith last year.
 
Vinny

Vinny

shiny happy fan
your stuff is here...I've seen it over and over. It will be here next year after they play too. I've seen your type come and go over the last half decade on this board and we shall talk in a year...if you are here. I doubt it though
 
Kaiser Toro

Kaiser Toro

Native Mod
kastofsna said:
system QB's aren't first rounder in my book. that's all it is. he could develop fine, but he's not worth the risk of drafting in the first round. i said the same thing of alex smith last year.
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Although I agree on Alex Smith, VY is on a whole another level in my opinion. He will be a lot of fun to watch on Thursdays, Saturdays, Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening and Monday Nights.
 
disaacks3

disaacks3

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System QB's can be all fine and good, it just depends on the system...

I'd still like to see two things though.

1. Carr still gets a chance to become an NFL QB behind a REAL Offensive Line.

2. All the VY bandwagonners that think the Texans HAVE to take a QB at #1 begin actually discussing the other QB's who Vince isn't head & shoulders above...especially in a Pro-Set offense.

I will say this though - If Kubiak thinks that VY is the best choice at the 1st pick from a purely Football point-of-view (forget marketing, etc.) for HIS system, then by all means take him and don't look back.
 
Tulip

Tulip

Veteran
kastofsna said:
i guess i just hate system QB's, what can i say.
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Because the overused term "system quarterback" doesn't really apply to Vince Young, I suppose it's a euphemism.

But a euphemism for what?

System Quarterback = not Reggie Bush?
System Quarterback = can't directly compare him to previous NFL QBs; therefore he must be a lesser player?
System Quarterback = he dares to commit the unpardonable offense of quarterbacking while black?
System Quarterback = he played for TU?
System Quarterback = hope he isn't drafted by the Jets, Bills, or Patriots?

So many possibilities - I'm clueless.
 
Tulip

Tulip

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STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
Aren't most successful QB's in the NFL system QB's to a degree?
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Doesn't every team have a system?

Even Joe Pendry had a system - even if Dan Reeves couldn't figure it out.
 
kastofsna

kastofsna

Hall of Fame
Tulip said:
Because the overused term "system quarterback" doensn't really apply to Vince Young, I suppose it's a euphemism.

But a euphemism for what?

System Quarterback = not Reggie Bush?
System Quarterback = can't directly compare him to previous NFL QBs; therefore he must be a lesser player?
System Quarterback = he dares to commit the unpardonable offense of quarterbacking while black?
System Quarterback = he played for TU?
System Quarterback = hope he isn't drafted by the Jets, Bills, or Patriots?

So many possibilities - I'm clueless.
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all of the above!
 
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STEEL BLUE TEXANS

Hall of Fame
Tulip said:
Doesn't every team have a system?

Even Joe Pendry had a system - even if Dan Reeves couldn't figure it out.
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Exactly what I was getting at. All of this talk about Vince Young only being a system QB is garbage.
 
bad

bad

Waterboy
nunusguy said:
I'm anxious and excited to see where VY goes in the Draft. IMO, like many others I would expect him to be a project to some degree initially, but his potential over the long-term should be extraorinary. Good luck Vince, do you home town proud, we know you will and we'll all be pulling for you !
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That's the spirit!

Young's destiny lies not with the Texans, but it should be great fun watching the carnage once he adapts to the NFL game. I'll cheer him on, even when he plays the Texans I'd like to see him excel (and his team lose).

This is the mindset I try to have when considering the possibility (and it's possible) that Reggie Bush's destiny may lie elsewhere and we'll have to contend with him instead of wearing his Offically Licensed Battle Red Jersey.
 
GP

GP

Go Texans!
He'll go #3 to the Titans.

1. Bush to Texans
2. Ferguson to N.O. (To watch the back of banged up Brees)
3. Young to Titans (To take over for Steve McNair who's ready to go...to Ravens?)
4. Leinart to Jets (Only someone THIS arrogant and pretty can play in NY)
5. AJ Hawk to Green Bay (Tough-as-nails attitude plays large at Lambeau)
6. Williams to San Fran (Need a pass rusher in a bad way)
7. Oakland (Davis the TE...Big & fast for Al Davis who needs receiving threats)

I will say this, though: All of this will get blown up if a blockbuster trade goes down for another team to move up and grab Bush.

And as I ponder it more and more, our front office has always been willing to trade down if it thinks it can secure more picks at "value" spots.

Get ready for a very possible meltdown when we trade away the top pick and get average compensation for it. I don't see us getting huge draft value for trading the top pick...I see us getting less than what we all think we should get. Why? Because that's the way it's played out in about all of our drafts thus far.
 
TexansLucky13

TexansLucky13

53d Signal Batt
Heh. If we really needed a new QB we would get one that was a bit more reliable than Vince. There is no way to know how the NFL will hit Cutler, Leinart and Young.... but I can tell you right here and now that it will be much more difficult for a "one progression then hit the ground running" QB to adjust than it will be for a pocket passer. We all love to watch Vince play, he is an exciting athlete. But he just doesn't fit in where we need him, and we've known this for months now.

IMO Vince will not go in the top 5. I will enjoy watching the Texans v. Raiders game next year when we will see Rosebowl round 2, Reggie vs. Vince.
 
thunderkyss

thunderkyss

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Count me in for Vince also......

Vinny said:
no. He has more upside than Steve McNair coming out of little Alcorn State, and they ran an offense that people laughed at when Steve made the move to the NFL.
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What kind of offense did McNabb run @ Syracuse?? Not that it has anything to do with this subject, I just wanted to know.
 
thunderkyss

thunderkyss

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kastofsna said:
system QB's aren't first rounder in my book. that's all it is. he could develop fine, but he's not worth the risk of drafting in the first round. i said the same thing of alex smith last year.
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And you see how worthless that opinion was last year??


Bye the Bye....... wasn't Kurt Warner.... & Trent Green System QBs??
 
Texans86

Texans86

Rookie
Many people still believe Young will move to the Titans; however, with McNair possibly being gone next year, I think the Titans will go with a more traditional QB. The main reason most people thought he would land there is so he could sit for a year or two behind his mentor, and now that seems unlikely. My bet is that he falls down to Detroit, if not there, somewhere in the 11-14 range.
 
thunderkyss

thunderkyss

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Texans86 said:
Many people still believe Young will move to the Titans; however, with McNair possibly being gone next year, I think the Titans will go with a more traditional QB. The main reason most people thought he would land there is so he could sit for a year or two behind his mentor, and now that seems unlikely. My bet is that he falls down to Detroit, if not there, somewhere in the 11-14 range.
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Most people think Billy Volek will start next year, while Vince is Groomed.
 
Texans86

Texans86

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thunderkyss said:
Most people think Billy Volek will start next year, while Vince is Groomed.
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I think Volek has potential to be a starter. He definately did the job when McNair got hurt this year or last (I forget). I wonder why the Titans aren't seriously considering him to replace McNair. I guess every team wants that 1st rounder to lead their team.
 
thunderkyss

thunderkyss

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Texans86 said:
I think Volek has potential to be a starter. He definately did the job when McNair got hurt this year or last (I forget). I wonder why the Titans aren't seriously considering him to replace McNair. I guess every team wants that 1st rounder to lead their team.
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If the Titans wanted to win, they'd do what it takes to keep McNair... they are rebuilding, and are being pretty open about it. Hence, Vince....... more upside, than any QB available.
 
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Trenches

Waterboy
Texans86 said:
I think Volek has potential to be a starter. He definately did the job when McNair got hurt this year or last (I forget). I wonder why the Titans aren't seriously considering him to replace McNair. I guess every team wants that 1st rounder to lead their team.
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I dont really get this either.

Taking a QB this high in the first round is a huge gamble. the odds are def not that high that he will pan out and its a BIG contract to sign. The guy will usually sit on the sidelines or really suck for the first couple of years. And then he may not even turn out to be that good.

Seems to me like if you have developed a guy who looks decent then the smart pick is to put talent around him rather than gambling on such a high risk/high reward prospect.
 
Marcus

Marcus

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disaacks3 said:
I will say this though - If Kubiak thinks that VY is the best choice at the 1st pick from a purely Football point-of-view (forget marketing, etc.) for HIS system, then by all means take him and don't look back.
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If Kubiak actually thought that, and took Young for that reason, and that reason alone, I'd back his choice 110 per cent.

Problem is . . .if Young is taken with the 1st overall pick, I'd have a tough time believing that it was Kubiak's decision alone. I'd be deeply suspicious that McNair knuckled under to the marketing side of the equation.

Granted, a lot of the homers would jump for joy if Vince was taken, no doubt. But the accusations would fly fast and furious . . . count on it.
 
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bigcarlos

Waterboy
Trenches said:
Taking a QB this high in the first round is a huge gamble. the odds are def not that high that he will pan out and its a BIG contract to sign. The guy will usually sit on the sidelines or really suck for the first couple of years. And then he may not even turn out to be that good.

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Well that happened to us before:brickwall
 
Eyeguy

Eyeguy

Waterboy
I think the Texans are better off looking at Reggie McNeil. He has about the same skills as Young (faster and better release point) and we would not have to use a 1st round pick. The Texans DON"T need a QB, but if everyone is set on picking a local kid to play QB I think McNeal is the better choice for the value.
 
Exascor

Exascor

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Eyeguy said:
I think the Texans are better off looking at Reggie McNeil. He has about the same skills as Young (faster and better release point) and we would not have to use a 1st round pick. The Texans DON"T need a QB, but if everyone is set on picking a local kid to play QB I think McNeal is the better choice for the value.
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I liked McNeil but he's not in Young's class. Young has "it". It's beyond his physical skills and the stats he's produced. He has the ability to load the team up on his shoulders and take them further than they could alone. McNeil doesn't even come close. Unfortunately I don't believe Carr has "it" either.

I was caught up in the Rose Bowl hype and wanted the Texans to take Young. I've changed my mind since so I'm in the "Draft Bush" camp at this stage but Young still stikes fear in me. If he lands with the Titans and becomes their next McNair (and I believe he could) he could haunt us for year's to come. Then again, if we pass up on Bush and he turns out to be the next Marshall Faulk and Young turns out to be a bust we'd be the butt of jokes for years. People would say "Bush was a sure thing and they wasted that pick on a 'local boy'." Best senarios imo are for us to take Bush and Young to be taken by any team other than the Titans or to trade down and get Ferguson or Williams.
 
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