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Bush to petition to wear #5 professionally

dirty steve

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Updated: April 11, 2006, 3:06 PM ET
Bush will appeal to wear No. 5 in NFL
ESPN.com


How much trouble is a number worth?

Reggie Bush, projected as the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft, thinks it's at least worth petitioning the league.

"I want to see if I can keep No. 5," Bush told ESPN The Magazine on the set of a Subway commercial he was shooting in Los Angeles.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2405152
 
It really dosen't matter one way or the other, but I hope the league does not allow it. I also wish they would make all receivers go back to an 80's number.
 
Oilers/Texans said:
It really dosen't matter one way or the other, but I hope the league does not allow it. I also wish they would make all receivers go back to an 80's number.
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I saw somewhere (I think on ESPN) that the teens were opened up to receivers because the NFL was running out of numbers in the eighties due to number retiring.

However, Bush needs to come in as a rookie and wear the number he is given. Not come into the league as some primadonna asking to change the rules of the NFL so that he can stand out with his #5.
 
i think i've just about had my fill of chuck norris jokes. Hulk, i can't decipher that sentence.

AND

If i were in charge of giving out numbers in the NFL, i'd let bush keep 5. He's sampson, 5 is his hair.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I saw somewhere (I think on ESPN) that the teens were opened up to receivers because the NFL was running out of numbers in the eighties due to number retiring.

However, Bush needs to come in as a rookie and wear the number he is given. Not come into the league as some primadonna asking to change the rules of the NFL so that he can stand out with his #5.
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If he was that concerned about keeping the same number, he should have started wearing a running backs number in Pop Warner, or High School, or College.

I hope his request is denied.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I saw somewhere (I think on ESPN) that the teens were opened up to receivers because the NFL was running out of numbers in the eighties due to number retiring.

However, Bush needs to come in as a rookie and wear the number he is given. Not come into the league as some primadonna asking to change the rules of the NFL so that he can stand out with his #5.
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I am with you Horns, stick with what every other RB in the league gets. He isn't special..... yet.


Otherwise we could draft/list him as a kicker, punter or QB..... JK
 
dirty steve said:
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Updated: April 11, 2006, 3:06 PM ET
Bush will appeal to wear No. 5 in NFL
ESPN.com


How much trouble is a number worth?

Reggie Bush, projected as the No. 1 pick in the NFL Draft, thinks it's at least worth petitioning the league.

"I want to see if I can keep No. 5," Bush told ESPN The Magazine on the set of a Subway commercial he was shooting in Los Angeles.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2405152
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Why the hell not? I know it means something to him, and it gives credibility to all our "What number will Reggie wear?" threads.
 
The NFL has number rules for a reason. One reason for the rule is it helps the refs better identify player positions during plays which move at high speed. For example, if they see a number 60 something downfield they quickly know an offensive lineman is illegally downfield.

If they give in to Bush who else is going to be asking for an exception? Next thing you know, some primadonna QB will come out and want to wear number 99 just to be trendy. With the mentality of the modern "me" player, this would get way out of hand.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I saw somewhere (I think on ESPN) that the teens were opened up to receivers because the NFL was running out of numbers in the eighties due to number retiring.

However, Bush needs to come in as a rookie and wear the number he is given. Not come into the league as some primadonna asking to change the rules of the NFL so that he can stand out with his #5.
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Asking doesn't make him a primadonna. If he throws a fit if they say no will make him a primadonna. I really don't care anymore. It's stupid that they strayed from the old staples anyway so now they are going to be asked by others if they can do it like the WR's. Doesn't hurt to ask. :twocents:
 
..........can he just wear #5 and pay a fine like K. Johnson did for many years before the league made those numbers availible for receivers agian.:twocents:
 
I just don't care about what number he wears. If he would like to keep his #5 I see no harm in letting him ask for it. I don't think his chance of getting it should be any better than the fullback who gets selected in the 6th round because he projects to be a great special teams guy but I think there's nothing wrong with asking.

A lot of what's wrong with the NFL today can be traced back to one of two things. Lack of respect for the league or lack of understanding of the players. NFL players fail to respect the history, traditions, and rules of the NFL all the time. Many of them swagger into the league thinking they're entitled to just about anything they want. On the other hand the NFL itself seems dead set on stomping out any hint of individuality they find. They make draconian rules and then tweak them every few years when they think some player somewhere might have found a way to have some fun in spite of the rule.

The best part of the NFL lies somewhere in between those two problems. You couldn't make it up or invent it intentionally if you tried and if you could bottle it you'd be, well an NFL owner and rich beyond your wildest dreams. NFL owners are the 32 luckiest people alive and they should thank the fates every single day of their lives that NFL football is what it is.

At some point in the future if they are not careful either the players or the league will push too hard and break it. I dread that day.

Let him ask for #5 but he should ask humbly. The NFL can say "yes" if they want to without fearing that anarchy will break out in their sport but it should be clearly their decision. If they say no then that should be the end of it. They should say all the right things but point out that this is a long standing rule.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I saw somewhere (I think on ESPN) that the teens were opened up to receivers because the NFL was running out of numbers in the eighties due to number retiring.

However, Bush needs to come in as a rookie and wear the number he is given. Not come into the league as some primadonna asking to change the rules of the NFL so that he can stand out with his #5.
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Oilers/Texans said:
It really dosen't matter one way or the other, but I hope the league does not allow it. I also wish they would make all receivers go back to an 80's number.
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Agreed, I'd prefer the league to not bend/change its rules for one player, the NFL sticking to its guidelines is one big reason why it's the #1 pro sports league in the country now. As to the WRs being in the 80s, I think another problem is some teams carry more than a total of 10 WRs and TEs, so they obviously can't have all of them be in the 80s.
 
I was really hoping to give Reggie #34. We need a Texans #34 to go with Olajuwan, Ryan and Campbell. Can't believe he is petitioning the league before he is even in it. Yikes!!
 
It's probably more for marketability than a supersticious thing.I'd like to see him wear it, but I also could forsee an onslaught of new players wanting all kinds of #'s so it probably is not a good idea.
 
Hookem Horns said:
The NFL has number rules for a reason. One reason for the rule is it helps the refs better identify player positions during plays which move at high speed. For example, if they see a number 60 something downfield they quickly know an offensive lineman is illegally downfield.

If they give in to Bush who else is going to be asking for an exception? Next thing you know, some primadonna QB will come out and want to wear number 99 just to be trendy. With the mentality of the modern "me" player, this would get way out of hand.
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I agree, I just don't think Bush is going to make a big deal out of this. Probably is more hype than anything.

I bet he ends up wearing #21, just like Tomlinson, who was #5 in college also if I remember right.
 
He's probably petitioning because there is no harm in trying. If he gets it, great, if he doesn't, then he'll pick a new number. I don't see this as being a primadonna. A lot of guys have a number they want and will go to great lengths to get it including paying the current player who has the number several thousand dollars, buying them a car, or paying for a vacation.

Bush isn't the first to attempt this and won't be the last. I don't think that he will be allowed to change his number because the league doesn't want to deal with every other player who doesn't like their number.
 
Hardcore Texan said:
I bet he ends up wearing #21, just like Tomlinson, who was #5 in college also if I remember right.
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Vinny said:
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yeah, I am calling it, predicting it now. If we draft Bush (which I think is going to happen now), I bet he is #21 (Tomlinson has been kind of mentoring Bush, meant to put that in my first post).

To my knowledge, no Texan wears it.

Cool pics, thanks Vinny.
 
He'll wear #21, but he's going to have to pay CB Sanders for it, he's currently #21.
 
The league is full of simple-minded suits. They're so hell-bent on protecting their completely arbitrary rules that they don't recognize an opportunity when it is right in front of them. First of all, positions having set number ranges is not "tradition" in the NFL, it's a relatively recent convention (players wore all kind of #'s back in the day) made so that the refs could "distinguish players by position easier." So a ref is going to confuse a linebacker with a safety because he wears a 20 #? Doubt that.

Here's what the league does: They allow the skill position players to adopt any number of their choice for an annual fee. They roll that money from the self-imposed tax into a charity fund and actually do something in life instead of sitting up-high on their NFL throne, condescendingly staring at the peons before them...
 
Vinny said:
We share the vision and I beat you to it (bottom of the page). :redtowel:

http://www.houstonprofootball.com/f...09&perpage=25&highlight=ladanian&pagenumber=1
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True, I have never posted it, I have been thinking for a couple of months, ever since I saw a piece on ESPN about Bush working out with Tomlinson in San Diego. LT worked Bush so hard he threw up, showed him there is a whole other level to get to in NFL, that's when it first popped in my head, cause the piece referenced them both being #5's in college.
 
The Myth said:
Asking doesn't make him a primadonna. If he throws a fit if they say no will make him a primadonna. I really don't care anymore. It's stupid that they strayed from the old staples anyway so now they are going to be asked by others if they can do it like the WR's. Doesn't hurt to ask. :twocents:
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I agree. If he throws a "Terrell Owens" fit, then he's a primadonna.
 
TreWardTxn said:
The league is full of simple-minded suits. They're so hell-bent on protecting their completely arbitrary rules that they don't recognize an opportunity when it is right in front of them. First of all, positions having set number ranges is not "tradition" in the NFL, it's a relatively recent convention (players wore all kind of #'s back in the day) made so that the refs could "distinguish players by position easier." So a ref is going to confuse a linebacker with a safety because he wears a 20 #? Doubt that.

Here's what the league does: They allow the skill position players to adopt any number of their choice for an annual fee. They roll that money from the self-imposed tax into a charity fund and actually do something in life instead of sitting up-high on their NFL throne, condescendingly staring at the peons before them...
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The numbering system works. There are 22 men on the field at once and they have enough to think about without trying to figure out if #18 should be in the tackle box or ineligible down field in the split second they have to make a call during a play. If this was a sport with 8-10 players on the field I wouldn't really care about the numbers. I think the numbering system works just fine and I don't see how it is condescending in any way to any player or fan.
 
Vinny said:
The numbering system works. There are 22 men on the field at once and they have enough to think about without trying to figure out if #18 should be in the tackle box or ineligible down field in the split second they have to make a call during a play. If this was a sport with 8-10 players on the field I wouldn't really care about the numbers. I think the numbering system works just fine and I don't see how it is condescending in any way to any player or fan.
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Sorry, don't buy it.

The college refs do just fine making that distinction.

The NFL does not need to completly drop it numbering rules, but refining it so DBs, WRs and RBs could also wear 1-19 numbers a) wouldn't casue confussion and b) make better use of them (as of now there are 5 players on a team eligible for 20 numbers; K, P, and the 3 QBs)
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Sorry, don't buy it.

The college refs do just fine making that distinction.

The NFL does not need to completly drop it numbering rules, but refining it so DBs, WRs and RBs could also wear 1-19 numbers a) wouldn't casue confussion and b) make better use of them (as of now there are 5 players on a team eligible for 20 numbers; K, P, and the 3 QBs)
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Don't buy what? He was talking about anyone having any number....and I said that it would be chaos and you say you don't want to see it go away either. You do buy it my friend.
 
From http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2405152

"I think someone else was able to get their number changed, but even if they turn me down I think it's worth a try," Bush said.

Does that sound like a guy truly bent on getting it changed? The image that Reggie has seemed to portray is that he seems to know to not rock the boat. Even at USC, when Lendale and him split the carries, the only gossip was that Lendale was potentially upset about his touches. Now, I nkow you can't always trust the media, but you can't find a lot of dirt on the guy. If he hung with LT, then hopefully LT taught him that.

I think he'll petition and when the NFL says No, then it wil be a dead issue.
 
Vinny said:
Don't buy what? He was talking about anyone having any number....and I said that it would be chaos and you say you don't want to see it go away either. You do buy it my friend.
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And all numbers in the teens are outside of the 80's...
 
Hervoyel said:
I just don't care about what number he wears. If he would like to keep his #5 I see no harm in letting him ask for it. I don't think his chance of getting it should be any better than the fullback who gets selected in the 6th round because he projects to be a great special teams guy but I think there's nothing wrong with asking.

A lot of what's wrong with the NFL today can be traced back to one of two things. Lack of respect for the league or lack of understanding of the players. NFL players fail to respect the history, traditions, and rules of the NFL all the time. Many of them swagger into the league thinking they're entitled to just about anything they want. On the other hand the NFL itself seems dead set on stomping out any hint of individuality they find. They make draconian rules and then tweak them every few years when they think some player somewhere might have found a way to have some fun in spite of the rule.

The best part of the NFL lies somewhere in between those two problems. You couldn't make it up or invent it intentionally if you tried and if you could bottle it you'd be, well an NFL owner and rich beyond your wildest dreams. NFL owners are the 32 luckiest people alive and they should thank the fates every single day of their lives that NFL football is what it is.

At some point in the future if they are not careful either the players or the league will push too hard and break it. I dread that day.

Let him ask for #5 but he should ask humbly. The NFL can say "yes" if they want to without fearing that anarchy will break out in their sport but it should be clearly their decision. If they say no then that should be the end of it. They should say all the right things but point out that this is a long standing rule.
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Very true. I think it's a two-way street. Players should respect the league and its traditions, and should not come strolling through with an attitude of entitlement: but I see nothing wrong with asking to wear a different number. That said, I actually enjoy watching most of the endzone celebrations (ala Chad Johnson) and I think it is stupid that the league is trying to (have they already?) stamp those out. The list of what players must and cannot wear is way too much. Owners and the league FO were asking for too much in the recent near fiasco CBA talks.

I personally would like to see Reggie get his #5 and I would like to see players where whatever number they choose, though I understand (at least from an officiating standpoint) the potential need to restrict that choice. As long as he is respectful about it I see no problem with him asking, but his runs will not be any more or less spectacular because he wears #5.
 
Reggie is such a high performance machine he can't have the weight of the extra material for the second digit of the number.

Wearing #5 is like a sports car being made with carbon fiber instead of aluminum.
 
Vinny said:
Don't buy what? He was talking about anyone having any number....and I said that it would be chaos and you say you don't want to see it go away either. You do buy it my friend.
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I don't buy the statement that, and I quote "There are 22 men on the field at once and they have enough to think about without trying to figure out if #18 should be in the tackle box or ineligible down field in the split second they have to make a call during a play. If this was a sport with 8-10 players on the field I wouldn't really care about the numbers."

What I don't but is that this is the reason teh NFL is so rigid in it's numbering rules. As I said, teh college refs seem to do this well enough; so why shouldn't we expect the pro refs to be able to.

The powers that be in the NFL want the focus to solely be on the teams, not the individual players. How many times do you see the #1 on the feild anymore?

My suggestion about expandeding the numbering groups for certain positions was a way for teh NFL to allow teh single digits numbers to see teh feild more and still keep it's current numbering system. It would also keep teh refs from having to think to much about what player is wearing the lower numbers, ie if 5 is downfeild he's either a Db, a WR of a RB all fo whom would be legal.

I live with the current numbering rules, I don't like them nor do I buy them; but I aslo know the odds of the NFL changing them are slim. Hell, I love wathcing older games were the QBs are wearing numbers in the 20s.
 
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